Thats my uncle Monte! Great interview! C.S. Lewis: Mere Christianity was a book that changed my life. Jesus is God! Prayers for the family

I left year 1996, I have never looked back! Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and Life more abundant 🙌 In Jesus we are free 💓 Our Father God can heal every one, if we give Him all the broken pieces. Very good interview ~ When I left " 2×2", I needed to talk alot about

@davidalink

3 ай бұрын

Amen!

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

Amen

That's what i miss the most . The sound of the dishes and the mountainous beauty. So proud of the Madsons closing Bonners Ferry for this year

@tilu3303

Ай бұрын

In the 70's to early 80's, Bonners Ferry was always my favorite convention and we loved staying over to help with cleanup and have good times with M & N.

I appreciate this style of conversation I was born in as well got out in 2006 Found the real truth once my eyes were opened to letting the Holy Spirit teach me through the written and living Word of our Father and looking to his creation to fill in the blanks like mortar it all came togeather when I stopped trusting in so called leaders in man and put my full trust in Gods means of salvation

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Agree

As someone who is jsut leaving now, I found this video incredibly helpful. I feel comfortable and confident with my choice, and this resonates with me so kuch. Thanks to both of you for taking the time to do this interview!

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

I knew I had to do this interview because I also knew it would help someone else too! Thank you!

This sounds so much like the controlling beliefs of the non-digressive Churches of Christ that I was raised in. Took me years of studying the scriptures to undo the things I was taught.

The Rah rah sessions.... It's real. I was in Amway and it was the same. You didn't dare miss a meeting because they would lose their hold on you. The fellowship is the same.... And they even know it! "Don't miss meetings or you will lose your faith".... Nope, faith in God is stronger than ever.

@bonniehewitt2921

3 ай бұрын

I thought the same when I went to Amway mtgs and other company’s meetings

@brendaharrison2425

3 ай бұрын

Faith Mission convention in Canada! Where is it? Curious

"I'll give you some news it never goes away. " Oh boy is that true . When you have been raised in these beliefs, they become a part of your character. 30 years out I still find myself looking at many things through those lenses. There was a lot of guilt, never being good enough , shame for our shortcomings. Even today those things affect my self image and confidance . The pressure to be a good example . Even when I know better.

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

I started bodybuilding when I was 17 which was shunned by the 2x2s. I don't have have low self esteem or feel shame or any short comings. I've always tested the truth because the bible teaches us to do that. I don't doubt for a minute when I walked away from the trance. I don't miss the anything that I did in the religion.

@maggietaskila8606

Ай бұрын

@MonteMolencamp Good for you. I have to say, however, women got much more of that,then men do as I saw it , men had much more freedom . Example : I have fine slightly curly, flyaway hair, so I always had little tuffs of hair that popped out from around my face and neck . A worker ( female) grabbed me and gave me a lecture on my vanity, how I was a poor example of the Truth in the world and to my brothers and sisters and then to started pushing Bobby pins in to my head, pinning every hair to my scalp, I litterly had boby pins all over my head. With my bun turned into a tight knot on the top of my head. I was completely humiliated. I overheard the same worker tell a friend of mine that ,wanted to profess , she couldn't do that until she grew out her hair. Appearance in everything , how you walked , how you did things, how you talked,there you went. That is what started my looking in the Bible to see why .I couldn't come up with a good reason . The way I saw it the references were from 2000 years ago not the 20th century and I was not an example of God , I was someone that no one wanted to be around , I was a freak. That was just the beginning of my search. That said, I absolutely love people in that church , but they make me sad. It's kind of like the complete opposite of Hollywood.

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

@@maggietaskila8606 That is terrible.

I remember well the morning bell, sitting under the big oak tree peeling potatoes and carrots, waitressing the worker table, the clang clang of turning over the dishes to eat after the singing prayer, the long white sheets over the long tables clipped to hold them down after everything was set for the next meal, the smell of the stew cooking and being in the kitchen watching dad stir it with big paddles. He always got up early to help cook breakfast, too. Wow, what a breakfast feast! Those times were very special especially the hot chocolate after the last meeting. I wondered in awe watching some of the women in the barn brush their hair all the way to the ends that were dragging the floor, then somehow, magically getting all of that hair up in a bun on top of their heads. That’s one area where women could stand out and compete. Who had the prettiest bun? I could do my hair at a very early age. I professed on my mother’s birthday for her, not me, under Hubert Childers, who frequented our home many times growing up. Dale Spencer, Craig Winquist, Jim Price, Liesel Sullivan and so many others stayed with us over the years. We had Wednesday night bible study in our home. Mom helped me with my testimony most times as I didn’t know what I was doing. There are so many memories. So many sweet people, but somehow we didn’t really know each other at all. I went to convention many years later with my little family, to show my husband how I grew up. He was curious, because he had seen the damage to me and was helping me with all of my baggage, especially abuse. Dad was so proud to have us there and probably hoped we’d join. Not a chance! I looked different, though still modest, I got the looks and you know what I’m talking about. My husband said it felt like something out of the Great Depression and he was stepping back in time. The meals were with plastic utensils and disposable plates by this time and somehow that took away from the beauty of the place. It seemed the lessons for the youth were lost. It felt empty. I can relate to all you guys have shared and I’m sure so much more. We girls lived for convention, just to have a chance to feel pretty and see the boys. At least that’s how I felt. I got my first kiss at preps, lol, shameful! It’s sad to know the scale of which so many lives have been affected by CSA and SA, but I’m not surprised, really. My dad told me one time that someone touched him where he shouldn’t have been touching him. I think that’s where the abuse in our home stemmed from. It has taken me my whole life to grow beyond some things to feel free. The guilt was so hard to break. My husband helped me with this so much. I could go on and on, but will close for now. Thank y’all for what you shared. I’m enjoying your channel, David. I think what you and your wife, Merissa, are doing is very important, to help break the silence, to show that there is a truer way to spiritual freedom. Much love to all of you in your individual journey.

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing! This is powerful!

@DogsAreAwesomeFriends

2 ай бұрын

@@MonteMolencamp I started thinking…George Walker…now I remember, introduced this way to my dads parents when he was a boy! They were very poor. Dad held George Walker in high regard all of his life. Dad was a very strict elder. Sometimes, I still hear the faint whisper, “what if you’re wrong and they are right?” It doesn’t rule my life anymore, though. In fact, it’s easy to dismiss, especially now. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I’m happy for you, though I know how painful it is, the freedom I’ve fought for has been worth it. Life just keeps getting sweeter. I’m thankful it’s no longer guided by fear, but instead, love. There was a time when I said out loud, what is faith if you don’t know what it is or what it means? Now, that’s becoming the only thing that matters. I’m no longer afraid to die.

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

@@DogsAreAwesomeFriends Thanks for the kind words and encouragement.

Yes the issue of all the “trauma” when you leave is something which is so helpful To address. You have no idea what it’s going to be like until You experience it Really enjoyed this interview.

"Its stamped on your soul" yes so so true. So many years living this way. So much disillusionment. The cognitivie dissonance it leaves you to work through is stunning. All you've experienced i did as well and even more. Thanks for speaking about the conditioning and the things we were raised with. Yes raised to believe this way was from the shores of Galilee. Also raised that its the same "yesterday, today and forever" but not so. The shunning can be real Ive experienced it. Thanks for your interview and perspective.

So wonderful to hear this lovely man’s testimony! 💞 The memories of convention from childhood never leave.. at least for me! I dream often about convention just in general.😅

God bless you and your family in the mighty name of our savor Jesus Christ amen

I pray Monte has opportunity to get some solid Bible teaching to weed out the distortions of truth that he grew up with. Praying his wife leaves as well.

Something that helped me a lot was studying the history of Christianity and the history of the Bible. You find out that Truth is a mixture of the Anabaptist and Holiness movements/heresies. A book that might help you is Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy by Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick.

I wanted the interview to keep going. I enjoyed this chat very much. My in laws were certain I'd be miserable and unhappy when I left. To their shock they never saw me that way. I did have spiritual struggles for a time and it's hard to get past all the mind control it all had over me but now, finally, I have the joy of Salvation that the Lord intended for us to have. Not the worry if we would really ever be with the Lord. I also felt as Monte did about my Baptism. In the Bible once you spoke the words of belief and repentance, it was time to get Baptized. In the 2x2 way they make you wait to be sure you have read all the small print and understand clearly what's expected of you in the 2x2 way. And that you will not go to heaven unless you attend all the meetings, even when sick, (promoted in my area for sure!), and follow all their man made rules mixed with true ones. And then sadly, you still had a poor chance of being saved. And if you get all this, well, NOW you can be baptized. "When we say you are ready, of course!" So opposite of what God is really about. Also who gives them the right to 'kick you out' meaning, essentially, (think about it), your salvation is taken away at that time as well in their eyes. If you're not going to meetings (and the rest of the above mentioned) you're likely not saved. Right? Who made them God to have this audacity? Big red flag that no one really thought about until they were kicked out. Where did Jesus say any of that? And it was usually always for asking questions. Not for being a pedophile or abusive, etc...those types just got quietly overlooked or patted on the hands, if anything, or if it was a real threat of making the 2x2 way look bad or exposed, relocated. (And they could still go on to molest, abuse, hold their positions, lead, speak in meetings, etc. in their new locations.) So many red flags. So backwards.

@MonteMolencamp

3 ай бұрын

🎯🎯

MONTE IS A LONG HELD FRIEND. So much was b hidden

An excellent interview Monte and David!!

I can completely relate with everything this gentleman said. He could have been me. Thank you.

You're going full blast with content!!

God Is faithful!!

Thanks for sharing your story Monte.

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Your welcome Jeremy

Remember....Jesus is The Healer....Salvation is healing....Be very careful what you say out loud; "I will probably always feel this way.." etc. This is the opposite of praying to The Father for healing in Jesus Name....This will get in the way of your own healing.

You should tell everyone that you have left; be a real witness for Jesus!

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

It’s kind of what I did here, right?

Thank you!

Awesome interview!

Great job cuz!!

I hope you guys get all your issues worked out!

Talk to me!😂 I grew up in the faith in Santee convention. My girlfriend as well.

@thememorytraveler4978

Ай бұрын

I was four days old…..my parents dragged us to Santee!!!

my husband has done intense studying. whst we know is soooo limited. God cant be fit in a box

Have never heard of this religion. But salvation and receiving of the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the baptism. Salvation comes the moment you realise that there's nothing you can do but what Christ Jesus did. And put all your trust in Him to save you. He does save you that moment and sends the Holy Spirit to seal you and live with in you. Baptism comes late, And its for obedient in a new life you receive after salvation You can still go to heaven to be with God after death even without being baptised. Because Jesus is The Way, The Life, The Truth. The thief on the cross is the example. The vilest offender who truly believes, That moment from Jesus a pardon receives Praise the LORD praise the LORD To God be the glory. The book of Enoch is not part of the bible. But am glad God is pulling sinners from whatever part of darkness they are to His marvelous Light

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Jesus said himself "Believe and be baptized and ye shall be saved. Not my words but Jesus himself.

@hisholiness4urfaith

2 ай бұрын

@@MonteMolencamp hello, Am assuming you referring to Mark 16:16, right? Let's see from 15; 15" And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16" He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. If you read 16 carefully those who BELIEVE NOT are the ones who are damned, you see it? Then you can cross reference that with John 3:14-18,36, 1Corinthians 15:1-4, 1John 5:9-13 Please check them out Thanks

@dorothyhinkel185

Ай бұрын

There are 7 baptisms. Some are real, some are ritual. Some are wet and some are dry. At the moment of salvation we are baptised into union with Christ by God the Holy Spirit. It is a real and a dry baptism (identification.)

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

@@dorothyhinkel185 Holy baptism only happed twice. Acts 2 & Acts 10!

Everyone on their cell phones at convention. I can’t picture this cause I left before cell phones

@davidalink

2 ай бұрын

I know, isn’t that crazy? But makes sense I guess.

@tilu3303

Ай бұрын

They allow cell phones? Coulda never foreseen that when I grew up in it.

Satan is the great deceiver!

That was how I felt after being told not to speak or pray....then what's the use?

Did you have an AHA moment when you saw something that you had been blind to? Or was it a gradual dawning? How do you see Jesus now compared to how you saw him within the 2x2 org?

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Dean Breuer death and reading Preserving the Truth by Cherie Kropp!

Exactly what did you leave?

I think you were in Columbia MO not Columbus MO.

Try reading the Early Church Fathers.

God is cleaning House.

@DBK155

Ай бұрын

The exes are cleaning house

Everyone who wsnts to go to Heaven needs to put Jesus FIRST, and develope a relstionship with Him....to whete you can hear His voice; life will get harder and harder....you will need to hear Him. This cult sounds like the Brethren.....my parents came out ....and I had some dealings with a few of them....

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

When you come out of something like this it is a process!

Okay, I do not understand the terminology. What do you mean by the “meetings”?

@Our_Hive_of_Five

Ай бұрын

It's called the 2x2 religion.

@thememorytraveler4978

Ай бұрын

Meetings are the church services. Sunday morning & Wednesday Bible services are in congregants homes. Services with workers/preachers, are usually held in a public venue, such as a library or office that can house a larger crowd. Slang, “going to meeting,” means attending & professing to the doctrine.

@DBK155

Ай бұрын

2x2, the truth, meetings, friends & workers

the catholic church decided what books should be in the bible. dsys to not add or take away from the word

What is the name of Sherry's book, please?

@thinkoutsidethebox4935

3 ай бұрын

Preserving the truth

@snookiedj

3 ай бұрын

Thanks

@Prairiegirl3

3 ай бұрын

The truth always comes out eventually

@GBearcat

3 ай бұрын

The book is "Preserving the Truth". It's by Cherie Kropp-Ehrig (my sister!) She spent 30 years researching it, making trips all over Ireland, Scotland, and England.

Monte, did you perchance know the Harthorn Family ?

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

I knew Julie Hawthorne, the Worker

Dean passed away June 21, 2022

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for clarifying !!!

@jhull2675

2 ай бұрын

@@MonteMolencamp of course! When I left fb I so often thought of all my "friends" there. But, I just couldn't take what was happening and after a discussion with the company realized they couldn't or wouldn't help me to get the problem solved, so I just needed to shut it down. Glad to see you are doing well.

I’m 15 minutes in and I don’t know what they’re talking about. Who is this Brewer. What is a worker?meetings are Amish services?he professed what at 12? To be Amish?

@davidalink

Ай бұрын

This is a religion called the 2x2s. There is more info in the description.

What is this term CSA?

@MonteMolencamp

2 ай бұрын

Child, sex act

@DBK155

2 ай бұрын

Child sex abuse

I read a lot of comments about "leaving" where people say, "It was the right thing, and now I'm saved." But you don't say where you went. Or you say you're "saved" but mention you're still looking for the religion which is right for you. So, if you still have not found what fits you, are you really saved just because you left something? I'd say not, based on what you're saying in the videos and comment. Just leaving something will not "save you" spiritually. What did you go to? Please be specific and tell us. My impression is you are doing your best to convince yourself you made the right choice to leave a religion, but why do you not seem convinced you have yet found a true way, event hough you say you are saved?

@davidalink

Ай бұрын

The group we grew up in is called the truth or meetings. From the outsiders it’s called 2x2s there is more in the description. We left a work-based religion and came to Jesus-only. Not religion. Religion does not save you. Talking about going to different churches looking for fellowship has nothing to do with being saved.

Well…just goes to show you, you actually gotta open that Bible up and read it yourself.

Try tho find out where the book Enoch cames from. Its not from Enoch. Pleace stay with the Bijbel. Thas Gods word, and thas good.

What church did you leave? Was it a cult where they dont ask Jesus to save them ? Jahovas witnesses? Or morman?

@davidalink

Ай бұрын

Its a group called 2x2s... there is more info in the description.

What is SA CSA stuff?

@MonteMolencamp

Ай бұрын

Child Sex Acts - CSA, SA-Sex acts

@DBK155

Ай бұрын

Child sex abuse Sex abuse

In Canada our workers say Divorce is ok .. You just can't remarried unless your ex- spouse dies .. Is it different in the states ?? Should be the same all around but I've seen contradictions between countries...why is that ??

@ginamoyle4713

3 ай бұрын

East and West Coast have different interpretations on that issue.

@jhull2675

2 ай бұрын

It's different from state to state...kinda weird. The bible says what it says, no worker should have an opinion on it.

@blueskye1827

2 ай бұрын

In Australia, you can get divorced but can never marry until your ex partner passes on. But I left 20 years ago, things may have changed by now 🤷

@tilu3303

Ай бұрын

Probably because the KJV messed up Matt. 5:31-32 and anybody who doesn't look into the original text won't get it.

@kerrieshannon8650

Ай бұрын

@@tilu3303 I'd like to hear how it's messed up .. I'm asking sincerely.. I'd like to hear how you interpret it .. Thanks kindly Kerrie

What does “Meetings” mean? What religion is talking about

@DBK155

2 ай бұрын

2x2, The “truth”, the way, the meetings, the friends etc

@Timeisirrelevant

2 ай бұрын

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_by_Twos

Coming out of a cult...these people should be reading the Bible...not Enoch....that book is rubbish.