AS Val, VSS Vintorez, OTs-14 Groza, and more: 9x39mm with Max Popenker

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Today we welcome back Max Popenker of ModernFirearms.net to discuss the Soviet and Russian development of the 9x39mm suppressed rifle cartridge. From the early unsuccessful and sidetracked efforts to replace the PBS suppressor through the AMB-17 currently in development by the Kalashnikov Concern, we will discuss the AS Val, VSS Vintorez, OTS-14 Groza, SR-3, SR-3M, VSK-94, and more!
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  • @Garknixei
    @Garknixei4 жыл бұрын

    "Medium weight game, like humans..." This is the sort of dark humor I love Max for. Would be fascinating to hear him talk about 9x21 "Грюза" cartridge sometimes in the future.

  • @alexandersh3609

    @alexandersh3609

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's "Гюрза" (blunt-nosed viper, levant viper or macrovipera lebetina), not "Грюза" :)

  • @shatbad2960

    @shatbad2960

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think with western obesity rates, we might be considered heavy weight game now.

  • @krzyryry8382

    @krzyryry8382

    4 жыл бұрын

    Is it “dark humor” or just simply “Russian humor”?

  • @UselessZero

    @UselessZero

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@krzyryry8382 Russia is mostly dark anyway, so both :D

  • @Pyotyrpyotyrpyotyr

    @Pyotyrpyotyrpyotyr

    4 жыл бұрын

    Гюрза NO Гoрза Yes Гюрза pronounced GREEOOZA and is not a real word. Гoрза pronounced GROZA and means lighting.

  • @1111Tactical
    @1111Tactical4 жыл бұрын

    All I know is the 9x39 is a must for engaging heavily armored Monolith soldiers.

  • @Dilo22

    @Dilo22

    2 жыл бұрын

    VRAG MONOLITA

  • @maxwellschmid588

    @maxwellschmid588

    8 ай бұрын

    Get out of here, STALKER

  • @sErgEantaEgis12

    @sErgEantaEgis12

    3 ай бұрын

    Cheeki breeki

  • @stuglife5514

    @stuglife5514

    Ай бұрын

    @@maxwellschmid588 You can take the STALKER out of the zone, but can’t take the ZONE out of the stalker

  • @jacplac97
    @jacplac974 жыл бұрын

    Funny, slightly related fact. While "Groza" means "Thunder" in Russian, in Polish, it means "Dread". Quite fitting, in my opinion.

  • @your.bunny.wrote.

    @your.bunny.wrote.

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, technically Groza means thunder and dread/danger/fear in Russian depending on the context. For example Grozniy/Grozny (city in Chechnya) means fearsome, not some thunder city.

  • @ldkbudda4176

    @ldkbudda4176

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ugroza Угроза - dread

  • @khatuntsovmikhail6223

    @khatuntsovmikhail6223

    4 жыл бұрын

    гроза = thunderstorm

  • @ArcaneMontane

    @ArcaneMontane

    4 жыл бұрын

    Great album by MGLA, look it up

  • @heyheyhophop

    @heyheyhophop

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can have both meanings in Russian, can confirm, угроза~=threat, гроза=the-bane-of/thunder. Cheers

  • @raideurng2508
    @raideurng25084 жыл бұрын

    We need a round that is subsonic, long range, defeats body-armor, and cycles a semi-auto rifle. What ELSE could you possibly stack on top of those insane requirements?

  • @ARCNA442

    @ARCNA442

    4 жыл бұрын

    You forgot "sniper level accuracy"

  • @nestorarcilaosorio2457

    @nestorarcilaosorio2457

    4 жыл бұрын

    Probably the new 8.6 creedmoor?

  • @ArcturusOTE

    @ArcturusOTE

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nestorarcilaosorio2457 isn't it 6.8?

  • @dELTA13579111315

    @dELTA13579111315

    4 жыл бұрын

    It needs to be heat seeking, like those pesky incendiary 50bmg baby killing bullets

  • @reynaldiwidjaja277

    @reynaldiwidjaja277

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dELTA13579111315 didnt darpa used to made that ?

  • @thegoldencaulk2742
    @thegoldencaulk27424 жыл бұрын

    I would do strange things to get an AS VAL parts kit in the U.S.

  • @ABowlofPho

    @ABowlofPho

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dunno about an AS VAL, but a VSS Vintorez may be able to be a reality........

  • @Fat_Panda_

    @Fat_Panda_

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, but that might be the first 2 stamp kit.

  • @mr.r0gueb0t13

    @mr.r0gueb0t13

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ABowlofPho VSS parts kits IS a reality....umm....so I've heard I mean....haha

  • @Predalien195

    @Predalien195

    4 жыл бұрын

    I too would do strange things for one... Or a VSS, or a VSK,

  • @schmit6576

    @schmit6576

    4 жыл бұрын

    You and me both buddy, I feel ya (emotionally)

  • @SMBDelse
    @SMBDelse4 жыл бұрын

    As a Russian myself I’m adoring Max here. Why? Because it’s VERY hard to speak another language with barely any stops for half an hour, so every time I sit around with my English-speaking friends to play I bring myself a bottle of water-after an hour of unstoppable callouts and chatting this bottle is empty, that’s how my throat is tensioned. So ones again thanks to Max, I’m dying to see him again on this channel!

  • @Howdy762

    @Howdy762

    4 жыл бұрын

    u playing EFT?

  • @nikoluslira7753

    @nikoluslira7753

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking about this. He nailed it.

  • @slavicmultipla

    @slavicmultipla

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can speak polish (i'm from Poland) for hours without stop but i can't really speak english fluently for a long time because i start to stutter and i forgot some words.

  • @Basilisk2077

    @Basilisk2077

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes very smart guy

  • @willkriegforkartoffeln4878
    @willkriegforkartoffeln48784 жыл бұрын

    9x39mm is and always will be the most interesting and wonderful cartridge to me. Thanks guys!

  • @dbmail545

    @dbmail545

    4 жыл бұрын

    Despite preferring the AK platform over the AR if I get a 9x39 weapon it is likely to be built on the Stoner platform just for economy.

  • @vladcrow4225

    @vladcrow4225

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dbmail545 AK-likes are just fine with it. Got some hands-on experience with СР-3М, involving dismembering the stray dog on the run.

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Still 7.62x25mm for me.

  • @angquangnguyenthac2833

    @angquangnguyenthac2833

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@dbmail545 There is the AK-9 that used the 9x39mm tho.....

  • @emmanuelgoldstein2558

    @emmanuelgoldstein2558

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't know if "wonderful" is an adjective I'd use to describe something whose exclusive purpose is murdering human beings. But that's just me.

  • @mehmednedjib7361
    @mehmednedjib73614 жыл бұрын

    "Round is designed for Medium game... like humans..."- This is why I like Max! Привет из Болгарии!

  • @geronimo5537

    @geronimo5537

    4 жыл бұрын

    hehehe

  • @paulshayter1113

    @paulshayter1113

    4 жыл бұрын

    Mehmed Nedjib, Medium game but Apex Predator.

  • @cyborg_patat9492

    @cyborg_patat9492

    4 жыл бұрын

    Болгарии as in the federal republic, or as in the Republic of Bulgaria (Република България) from the Balkans?

  • @mehmednedjib7361

    @mehmednedjib7361

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@cyborg_patat9492 Republic of Bulgaria

  • @cyborg_patat9492

    @cyborg_patat9492

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mehmednedjib7361 Кажи така бе, брат :D

  • @brunoratto253
    @brunoratto2534 жыл бұрын

    His accent is a bit difficult to understand, but Max is a really cool guy with LOTS of knowledge about russian weapons. It's always a good day when Ian brings his cool russian friend to the channel. Also, Max's page is on my favorites list!

  • @DinnerForkTongue

    @DinnerForkTongue

    4 жыл бұрын

    You only need some Russian accent practice. Play Metro 2033 for a while.

  • @random3362

    @random3362

    4 жыл бұрын

    Turn on Subtitles. They are very helpful. Fun fact Max is pretty hated person on Russian small firearms forums. Not completely understand why.

  • @random3362

    @random3362

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ArcturusOTE actually no. His most popular fault is being too theoretical. AFAIK he wasn't conscripted, so hardcore fans assumed that he is not a professional weapon user and thus his conclusions about some issues are misleading from their POV.

  • @worldoftancraft

    @worldoftancraft

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 how she was?

  • @linked2dio26

    @linked2dio26

    4 жыл бұрын

    Watch life of boris videos it makes it easier to understand this guy

  • @claudiodominguez.
    @claudiodominguez.3 жыл бұрын

    That 100 yard 1/4" steel penetration from a 9x39 is impressive. I liked everything.

  • @judsongaiden9878
    @judsongaiden98784 жыл бұрын

    This is the cheeki breekiest episode ever! The Groza-4 in OTs-14-4A-04 configuration (grenadier configuration as seen in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.), 9x39mm over 40mm, is also known as the Groza-9/40. GSC Game World, through S.T.A.L.K.E.R., increased interest in 5.45 and 9x39 firearms in the West. Also, Skinflint totally looks like early 2000s Max Popenker. 9:57 AP, aka BP, which I think is sometimes called "black-tip" (or "black-stripe" or something to that effect), is also designated SP-6. It's the overall best ammo type to use against Monolith heavy troopers wearing exoskeletons. 13:39 Didn't realize PAB-9 was so structurally similar to SP-6. 14:25 Interestingly, the original unmodded S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl taught me exactly that! I typically used SP-5 in the Vintorez and SP-6 in the Val and the Groza. 19:17 I never did the endgame of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl without a Groza. There's also the Paranoia mod for the original Half-Life which features the Groza-1 (7.62x39) in OTs-14-1A-03 configuration (suppressor and scope). 21:19 So in other words, if you need a grenade launcher, it's better to mount a GP-30 or GP-34 on an AK-74 or AK-103.

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I always fiddle around in the file directory with the ltx files so I can take off / put on the PSO scope on the Vintorez In Stalker, never liked that you couldn't take it on and off at will. Also means you can use the VSS as an assault rifle if you have to. Instead of having to carry the VAL along with it, only downside is finding a scope for the VSS separately. Both the VAL and VSS (at least in COP) aren't zeroed to their world model's iron sights very well. So they shoot high left no matter if you're firing in full auto or semi. Its especially bad when you have them upgraded for max accuracy, a stream of tracers fly out a few pixels left of the barrel. There's also a texture issue I've never seen anyone fix, where a small space on the charging handle for the VSS/VAL rifles isn't textured, so there's this transparent gap through it, once you notice it you can never unsee it. Call of Pripyat has a 5.45 Groza which is one of a kind in the game, (you can only buy it from one trader, nimble.) But the devs forgot to give it "5.45 damage." So the 5.45 Groza does 9x39mm damage in the game. If you check around online it's one of the rifles people recommend in Late-Game play for being the highest damage 5.45x39mm gun in the game. And Max was right, only reason people know the Groza is videogames, lol.

  • @judsongaiden9878

    @judsongaiden9878

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@xmm-cf5eg I actually read about it on his Modern Firearms and Ammunition site even before S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl came out. As for being able to add and remove a scope, that's what I like about the SVD in the Oblivion Lost 2010 mod. Seen here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/paqJldqag9PIidI.html I did a Let's Play of that mod: kzread.info/head/PL3C86UcPO_CY1hboZA7JPzS5zTmdXzNOX One of these focuses on the Groza: kzread.info/head/PL3C86UcPO_CaBJcNhVEyGmMW0xz8b4VGY More Groza: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jHZ6rteeeb2qkbQ.html *Note:* The 5.45 Groza is also in ShoC. It's used by the Dutyer known as Barin who usually hangs around the camp outside the Desolated Village in Army Warehouses. Its real-world counterpart would have been known as the Groza-2 had it gone into production. There were also plans for a Groza-3 in 5.56. The Groza-1 is 7.62x39 and the Groza-4 is 9x39 and I think those are the only calibers they made it in.

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I knew of the Groza 1 and 4, I think the Groza 1's more "popular" in practice.

  • @judsongaiden9878

    @judsongaiden9878

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@xmm-cf5eg Probably because the ammo is cheaper and more prevalent.

  • @LordTrashcanRulez

    @LordTrashcanRulez

    Жыл бұрын

    I can't believe Russians stole Groza from Stalker

  • @tehfoxxy9630
    @tehfoxxy96304 жыл бұрын

    Every time I see a 9x39mm... I think of those overpowered weapons from that modded STALKER COP...

  • @ugandanknuckles3900

    @ugandanknuckles3900

    4 жыл бұрын

    Armor piercing 9mm rounds? Who needs ballistic when their heads are the only target?

  • @LessDevoid

    @LessDevoid

    4 жыл бұрын

    Oh good, it's not just me then! As soon as I see 9x39mm, I think of the Sniper VLA and how those Duty bastards never stood a chance. And that was a vanilla weapon if I recall correctly.

  • @geronimo5537

    @geronimo5537

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@LessDevoid freedom is the scourge of the zone! duty is our saviors of humanity.

  • @tehfoxxy9630

    @tehfoxxy9630

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@LessDevoid I always find some bandit who uses that stubby looking AK that uses 9x39 in the fueling station... and its the only weapon I use in the game... that is until I pick up the 4 gauge shotgun...

  • @jacplac97

    @jacplac97

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@geronimo5537 I think you got it the other way around. Duty is the true scourge of the zone.

  • @nSpiraliArchitectb
    @nSpiraliArchitectb4 жыл бұрын

    Man, for a second I thought we were going to get a VSS/AS VAL video!

  • @happyhaunter_5546
    @happyhaunter_55464 жыл бұрын

    We love Max's help over here in the West! Thank you Mr. Popenker

  • @tiortedrootsky
    @tiortedrootsky4 жыл бұрын

    17:54 ЦКИБ СОО - Центральное конструкторско-исследовательское бюро спортивного и охотничьего оружия. (TsKIB SOO - Central Design and Research Bureau of Sporting and Hunting Arms). КБП - Констру́кторское бюро́ приборострое́ния, (KBP - Instrument Design Bureau) 22:30 Klimovsk was a town (in 2015, it became part of the city of Podolsk), where located ЦНИИточмаш - Центральный научно-исследовательский институт точного машиностроения (TSNIITOCHMASH - Central Scientific - Research Institute for Precision Machine Engineering)

  • @mikellwehrer
    @mikellwehrer4 жыл бұрын

    9X39 in my morning KZread feed? It's gonna be a good day. Still, I wish I could get some in the US, even just as souvenirs.

  • @UXB1000

    @UXB1000

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if it's possible to hand-make the brass from necked up 7.62x39 and hand-load the ammunition. I may sound foolish here though.

  • @drdnout

    @drdnout

    4 жыл бұрын

    Civil version of VSS with 9x39 is available on Russian market, but without supressor.

  • @dbmail545

    @dbmail545

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tula is packaging the ammo for US sale and some US bullet maker is selling .366" bullets. Check out Iraqvet8888. Shame that the AP round is not importable.

  • @markgi1524

    @markgi1524

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wolf is selling the 9x39 in the US

  • @calebmeyer2121

    @calebmeyer2121

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wolf is definitely selling 9x39 in the US, though it is expensive. A surprising number of components are out there, built a pistol-length 9x39 AR upper with a KAK barrel.

  • @Vincent-S
    @Vincent-S4 жыл бұрын

    With the sounds of Tunder. And the jiggy music coming from the Bandit base over in Dark Valley.

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Bandit radio best radio

  • @YCCCm7
    @YCCCm74 жыл бұрын

    This guy is perhaps my favorite guest. Vickers is great, too, but this guy has a really good perspective of how Russia and the Russian people have experienced their own history with firearms and firearms development. I'm still laughing about the appeal of the AR-15 over in Russia, just like how the US guys like the AK. Great guy. I love him.

  • @worldoftancraft

    @worldoftancraft

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, what we got there.... maybe, actually I will agree, that it is not a technology marvel of 31'st century, but all that we got there is a descent firearms. Not even close to "real, ameican-made AK" of (in)famous "century arms"

  • @dustinraymond9403

    @dustinraymond9403

    2 жыл бұрын

    A fine weapon is a fine weapon. Its a universal language.

  • @philllax1719
    @philllax17194 жыл бұрын

    I thought the ATF made weird determinations. Now that I see Russian "shotgun ammo" I see its world wide

  • @USSEnterpriseA1701

    @USSEnterpriseA1701

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, to be fair, it's not that different from a slug, just smaller. Never underestimate the ingenuity of the gun owning community and the engineers that design the guns.

  • @RusZugunder

    @RusZugunder

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, these weird things exist only because of harsh restrictions and people doing all kinds of tricks to get around them.

  • @MyHJIaNT

    @MyHJIaNT

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's not only .366. We also have .345 - 9x19 round made to be used in these "not rifled rifles" and 9,6x54 - 7,62x54R. All because of our gun law that prevents you from buying a rifled "anything" before you own a smooth bore for 5 years in a row

  • @alecnolastname4362

    @alecnolastname4362

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@RusZugunder have you ever heard of the couch that is a car? Or is a car that is a couch? On thing is for certain, its street legal in Britain and you can see it here on youtube.

  • @RusZugunder

    @RusZugunder

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@alecnolastname4362 amazing.

  • @Adam-su2jj
    @Adam-su2jj4 жыл бұрын

    Just an FYI Target Sports U.S.A. sells an AR15 upper receiver chambered in the 9X39mm and ammo.

  • @clouster75

    @clouster75

    4 жыл бұрын

    but .... why?

  • @ericgrumbles447

    @ericgrumbles447

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@clouster75 www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-ammo-sale/9x39-wolf-ammo Because the ammo is available and provides all the benefits over .300 BO described in the video.

  • @ArcturusOTE

    @ArcturusOTE

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ericgrumbles447 Wow, so what does 300 BO bring to the table compared to 9x39? Aside from being able to use more commonly available 223 mags?

  • @DC2022

    @DC2022

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ArcturusOTE more accurate as Max said 9x39 for sport shooting has more or less no meaning and would be probably harder to find

  • @ProTheHacker
    @ProTheHacker4 жыл бұрын

    Would definitely love to see Max sponsored with a proper microphone if nothing else. His knowledge really is invaluable and definitely needs to be heard more of.

  • @Hysteria98

    @Hysteria98

    4 жыл бұрын

    This. His accent is fine, and his english is fantastic, its the poor audio quality here that makes it difficult.

  • @MWSamekh
    @MWSamekh4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks to both Max and Ian for this video. The idea and design of the 9x39 round has always intrigued me and this has really provided much insight.

  • @universalrandomizer405
    @universalrandomizer4054 жыл бұрын

    I've learned so many new stuff from ONE video. Thank you both for taking your time and making this possible

  • @dbmail545
    @dbmail5454 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear you getting closer to the proper pronunciation of his name. Love to hear Max's info on Soviet/Russian weapons development.

  • @eragonunderhill5545
    @eragonunderhill55453 жыл бұрын

    this is one of the few presentations I would sit through for more than 30 minutes and enjoy! love the SR-3M and Max has great info!

  • @sjoormen1
    @sjoormen14 жыл бұрын

    Thank goodnes there is no embargo on Russian knowledge.

  • @nra4ever2011

    @nra4ever2011

    4 жыл бұрын

    sjoormen1 don’t give them ideas :/

  • @MosoKaiser

    @MosoKaiser

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nra4ever2011 They already have ideas, unfortunately.

  • @viliussmproductions

    @viliussmproductions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Just wait till the Duma goes ahead with their "Russian internet" proposal.

  • @sjoormen1

    @sjoormen1

    4 жыл бұрын

    So... how are things with import of russian guns in the states?

  • @hobofactory

    @hobofactory

    4 жыл бұрын

    Travis Tucker the sanctions on Russia affect manufacturers connected to Russia’s military industrial complex, so of course that includes all the major players because most of their manufacturers make stuff for both the military and commercial markets. If, however, there were an independent, strictly commercial manufacturer, in theory that might be actually allowed to sell in the US... but I don’t know of any such manufacturers.

  • @rshiell3
    @rshiell33 жыл бұрын

    I really like that SR3M. That’s a damn fine looking rifle. I would absolutely love to shoot one! I’m kind of a fan of 300 Blackout, but I agree with Max that a 9mm projectile is going to create a larger wound channel at subsonic speeds.

  • @sirtogy1812
    @sirtogy18124 жыл бұрын

    Would love to see a video with Max talking more about the .366 TKM, Russian Firearms Law Technicalities (Like the Klash based "shotguns" with paradox rifling) and their perception within the Russian Firearms Community.

  • @alexandrvylegzhanin7598

    @alexandrvylegzhanin7598

    3 жыл бұрын

    molot.biz/plant/gladkostvolynoe/ 2nd & third pages "shotguns" .366 TKM & 9,6/53 Lancaster

  • @danglinbolas5547

    @danglinbolas5547

    10 ай бұрын

    The .366 is dead as for now, no matter how lively the corpse looks. Vladimir Fucking Putin and his bitches were so afraid of their own country that forced a prohibition, making it (and Paradox\Lancaster bores) equally regulated as rifles, what makes these nothing but an inferior overpriced versions of conventional guns. What was born to circumvent the scizophrenic regulations, was finally slain by regulators when fear took over greed. Russian classics.

  • @marcelroodt
    @marcelroodt4 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly what I've been waiting for! Thank you Ian for this awesome interview with Max. A knowledgeable guy with much to share on weapons lesser known to the West. 9x39mm and subsonic cartridges... what a dream. Hopefully we can see more of the internals of these weapons in the future.

  • @kek207
    @kek2073 жыл бұрын

    I’d also like to see a video about the VSSK Vychlop. Basically a subsonic 50. rifle. Increased range and damage

  • @charles_wipman
    @charles_wipman4 жыл бұрын

    It's great to hear all this info from 1st hand.

  • @CheshireTomcat68
    @CheshireTomcat684 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks for the subtitles, guys. Especially the acronyms and bracketed explanations. Made this a really enjoyable vid.

  • @d4m3d
    @d4m3d4 жыл бұрын

    отлично рассказал. you see, Ivan, we need a dedicated subsonic suppressed weapon long range shooting👌

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    >Make suppressed sniper rifle >Only good at short range >Shoot from rooftop to rooftop >We meant to make it this way. hehe

  • @HrHaakon
    @HrHaakon3 жыл бұрын

    Having played Escape from Tarkov, I understand everything he talked about.

  • @Fr4kTh1s

    @Fr4kTh1s

    3 жыл бұрын

    I knew Forgotten weapons for some time, started playing Tarkov almost 2 years ago to test all he was talking about...

  • @mandreadfg

    @mandreadfg

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣 sp-6 bruh

  • @billybadass8242

    @billybadass8242

    3 жыл бұрын

    when he picked the cartridge up off his desk I was like "Hey that's a BP round"

  • @angeloluischavez

    @angeloluischavez

    3 жыл бұрын

    I especially liked the .366 mention. Its crazy that they can pass off the limited rifling as a "choke" of sorts and still have a "rifle"

  • @denniscrane9753

    @denniscrane9753

    3 жыл бұрын

    They just released the asval in Dayz on console!

  • @mockingpirate7659
    @mockingpirate76594 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Ian, for all of your hard work! And thank you Max, for your knowledge and willingness to entertain us with your expertise on Soviet and russian firearms

  • @Vladislav7559
    @Vladislav75594 жыл бұрын

    I'm always waiting for episodes with Max. Interesting to listen. It would be great to see more.

  • @StrangerOman
    @StrangerOman4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for bringing up 336 tkm round. Learned a bit something new about 9x39 today. :)

  • @YouOnlyIiveTwice
    @YouOnlyIiveTwice3 жыл бұрын

    The Groza has always been the only bull-pup I would have done crazy things for just to be able to shoot and/or own. It's looks exactly what I'd imagine a bull-pup to look like if the Soviets made one.

  • @12325814
    @123258143 жыл бұрын

    Super interesting introduction into the ammo topic done by an exceptionally knowledgeable host Maxim. Much appreciated!

  • @kenhelmers2603
    @kenhelmers26034 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Max! Good to hear from you again.

  • @AngelsLance
    @AngelsLance3 жыл бұрын

    The VSS Vintorez is my favorite gun in every Stalker game glad to learn some history behind it and why it feels almost identical to the AS Val

  • @WoodstaS
    @WoodstaS4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, excellent refresher course, comrade! Sincerely, Not a Western Spy

  • @willwallacetree

    @willwallacetree

    4 жыл бұрын

  • @meareweird7714
    @meareweird77144 жыл бұрын

    Awesome to hear the history of not just the round but the different weapon platforms for this unique cartridge

  • @heldaneurbanus5135
    @heldaneurbanus51354 жыл бұрын

    I have been really looking forward to this since it was mentioned as an idea the last time Max brought us the Knowledge. Thanks Max, and thanks Ian for bringing this to us!

  • @andreypotapov8898
    @andreypotapov88984 жыл бұрын

    It would be epic to see Ian and Max shoot some exotic weaponry together, in Russia. Ian should buy a plane ticket to Moscow and in the meantime, Max can heat up a samowar and make a call to a friendly shooting range.

  • @_b_x_b_1063

    @_b_x_b_1063

    8 ай бұрын

    Угу

  • @anders430
    @anders4304 жыл бұрын

    This guy's website got me interested in firearms a very long time ago after finding it by accident. Thank you Max!

  • @mortarriding3913

    @mortarriding3913

    3 жыл бұрын

    We used it for research for the Battlefield 2 mod: Point of Existence, which is really ironic because we ended up including the AS-VAL for one of our Russian classes, and maybe got the whole ball rolling with that and video games.

  • @mortarriding3913

    @mortarriding3913

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also apparently we had the VSS Vintorez but I forgot about it; www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/vss-vintorez#imagebox

  • @mortarriding3913

    @mortarriding3913

    3 жыл бұрын

    And a link to the VAL: www.moddb.com/mods/point-of-existence-2/images/as-val-rifle2#imagebox

  • @45CaliberCure
    @45CaliberCure4 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding. Thank you for letting your guest speak without interruption. It helped facilitate the flow of Max's dialogue, as well as my admittedly limited ability to process information from someone with an accent that I need to assimilate my beer-addled brain to. Looking forward to more of this.

  • @sabertoothray
    @sabertoothray4 жыл бұрын

    Love these videos with Max, keep em coming!

  • @gagarin777
    @gagarin7774 жыл бұрын

    I can't believe it. I was on Max's website 15-16 years ago looking for the info on Barrett M82A1 and finding other cool anti material rifles like for example Steyr IWS 2000/2500 :) BTW This is a really forgotten weapon and it needs a video about its development and design.

  • @KristianHerdi
    @KristianHerdi4 жыл бұрын

    Most of weapons mention here are present in "Escape from Tarkov" video game.Including one of Russian built M4 clone named ADAR 2-15!

  • @Pdro-gw7lu

    @Pdro-gw7lu

    4 жыл бұрын

    Kristian Herdi I scrolled down expecting to see STALKER and EFT posts. I was not disappointed lol. Getting anxious for 0.12, what do u think of the whole “no putting stuff in gamma container” thing they’re gonna try during the pre-wipe events?

  • @RonJeremy514

    @RonJeremy514

    4 жыл бұрын

    ​@@Pdro-gw7lu I think it will be painful for some beginners trying to make some money, but I mean there is still the option of playing as a SCAV so the gamma container is not as useful in the end. It is when it comes to putting meds, ammo and keys without risking losing those items. Honestly I think they should make it that the gamma container should only be able to accept those items, because having the risk of losing keys is quite meh imo. Meds and ammo is more acceptable on the other hand. Just the keys, don't touch that otherwise it will make exploration a bit useless which is a problem for the overall game experience. And also some exit points that require keys. If the devs really want to remove the gamma container on the long term, I feel that they should replace this EOD edition bonus with something else that matters like a free stash container/case or I don't know.

  • @Pdro-gw7lu

    @Pdro-gw7lu

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jensen I kinda like the idea personally. I think a better idea is restricting the types of stuff to what you have said, like statues, Bitcoin, cash, keys etc. I think the guys running a mag case out of them and shit is taking the piss. The case needs to stay as a concept I believe but needs to be restricted a little. I think adding a hardcore mode with a seperate PMC would be a more interesting experiment to try as well.

  • @malokegames
    @malokegames4 жыл бұрын

    I like these episodes with Max... always with a lot of great information!

  • @doompotty
    @doompotty4 жыл бұрын

    World guns was the website that got me into gun history, glad to see it come full circle on forgotten weapons

  • @5anjuro
    @5anjuro4 жыл бұрын

    In my hometown, municipal services use it to shoot down "sosulki" that grow so big in the springtime that they're start presenting a hazard.

  • @DinnerForkTongue

    @DinnerForkTongue

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Laenthal _Spasibo!_

  • @Maledicted
    @Maledicted4 жыл бұрын

    Ever since I started following this channel I've been hoping to see something on the 9x39 guns, and you picked the perfect guy to collaborate with. Max is a treasure trove of knowledge and an excellent presenter. You should seriously start a fundraiser for a Russia trip, Ian. I would be the first to pitch in. Thank you for all the awesome content you continue to provide for us!

  • @henrybrown8624
    @henrybrown86244 жыл бұрын

    Outstanding conversation! I have sampled a bit of Max's extensive knowledge over email exchanges but before this video I've never had a face to put with the name. Please keep these videos coming!

  • @Kowalski089
    @Kowalski0894 жыл бұрын

    Loving the collabs with Max!

  • @vasëk_comandir
    @vasëk_comandir2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for great story. I have 366 TKM AK-103. For 100 meters it shoots like 7,62. For 200 m and more you need to put the sight significantly higher than normal AK. Effective range of 366 TKM is not more 300 m. For hunting and defense purposes it’s good caliber. Interesting that the recoil feels much higher than the normal 7,62x39. With the 13 grams bullets it’s even hurts your shoulder.

  • @vronox2890
    @vronox28904 жыл бұрын

    VSS, is my favorite weapon of all time, I wish it was included in more games

  • @arandomt-9056

    @arandomt-9056

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well 9a-91 for me

  • @corvidconfidential8826

    @corvidconfidential8826

    4 жыл бұрын

    One of the best parts of PUBG. ^~^

  • @muumuumu

    @muumuumu

    4 жыл бұрын

    man the damage is so bad in pubg

  • @MasterofchaosX

    @MasterofchaosX

    4 жыл бұрын

    Check out Escape from Tarkov! That game is basically a gun simulator behind the curtains, and has a lot of great guns, including both the VAL and VSS, very well simulated and highly lethal. :)

  • @corvidconfidential8826

    @corvidconfidential8826

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@muumuumu its damage isnt too bad, however the bullet drop makes it kind of a difficult gun to use. Even on console though, i can win many games using that in the final circles. Made me love the gun so much I got one irl. ^~^

  • @Punisher9419
    @Punisher94194 жыл бұрын

    Love these videos with Max in, he's bloody great.

  • @mitchmazerolle3168
    @mitchmazerolle31683 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic guest. Thank-you Ian.

  • @90mankku
    @90mankku4 жыл бұрын

    woah, thanks for max and you to deliver ACTUAL information about these weapons. There's a lot of partial knowledge about it and most you find about it is in russian. There's quite a lot of knowledge dumped in half-hour video, gotta watch it again later. 9.39 sounds like reasonable choice to deliver rifle power kick in smg sized weapon. what I find interesting is that integrally supressed rifle. I think Ian mentioned some german vs. british ww2 versions like that on previous videos

  • @Yin_yue_
    @Yin_yue_4 жыл бұрын

    This has quickly become some of my favorite content. World.guns.ru was one of my favorite places for reading material back in the day, so to have these videos straight from Max himself is a wonderful thing. Thank you both very much, and I look forward to more.

  • @aghostcat2
    @aghostcat24 жыл бұрын

    Always enjoy it when Max is on!

  • @Poxyquotl
    @Poxyquotl4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much for bring Max on Ian! He is bringing loads of great knowledge that is not well known in the West.

  • @barticle
    @barticle4 жыл бұрын

    Great video, guys. Very cool guns - I'll take one of each please! Where do I send my suitcase full of Rubles?

  • @madru551anr6
    @madru551anr64 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Max. Спасибо Максим, ваш английский улучшается с каждым видео. Так держать.

  • @sethmoyer
    @sethmoyer4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome! I love me some 9x39, and it's pretty hard to come by any but the most basic information about it.

  • @brianreddeman951
    @brianreddeman9514 жыл бұрын

    Always a pleasure to have Mr. Popenker speak. :)

  • @chubbycatfish4573
    @chubbycatfish45734 жыл бұрын

    Oh wow, I didn't know he ran World guns. That takes me way back.

  • @triggerhippy2826
    @triggerhippy28264 жыл бұрын

    I've been waiting & wanting this for ages! I love the AS VAL, SR-3M and VSS they have great aesthetics as well as seeming to be very fit for purpose.

  • @tacticaltonto3777
    @tacticaltonto37774 жыл бұрын

    Always enjoy Max and his insights...

  • @janwacawik7432
    @janwacawik74324 жыл бұрын

    It's really funny that some people find Mr Popenker's accent hard to understand, while a Slav like me has no difficulty in understanding him, because I'm used to hearing English being butchered by my not-so-fluent kinsfolk. Also, is there a chance we'll see the good ol' M2 Browning anytime soon?

  • @mortarriding3913

    @mortarriding3913

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love Slavic English. Yugopnik is my favourite channel for that.

  • @davidgoodnow269

    @davidgoodnow269

    2 жыл бұрын

    No chance, the M2 is not a Forgotten Weapon. Now the towed, quad mount M3 water cooled anti-aircraft variant of the caliber fifty I've only seen in the Air Defense Artillery Museum at Fort Bliss, that's a Forgotten Weapon.

  • @janwacawik7432

    @janwacawik7432

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@davidgoodnow269 Neither is the M1 Carbine or the PPSh-41, and yet Ian made videos on them.

  • @davidgoodnow269

    @davidgoodnow269

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@janwacawik7432 True, they still exist. Kind of difficult/pricey to get hands on either in my neighborhood, and while that is very true also of the Browning M2, it is still being manufactured and is current issue in militaries around the world. There are other examples of this, like the FN P90 and HK MP7A1, but those are quite rare in comparison and I'm sure he was sponsored by those manufacturers to do those episodes. Like, "If you want access to these super-rare versions of the long-discontinued Heckler & Koch P7, please make this infotainment video of the current MP7A1."

  • @davidgoodnow269

    @davidgoodnow269

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@janwacawik7432 Besides, I really enjoyed his history of the production of the PPSh-41, so I'm not going to complain about it! One of my favorite burp guns.

  • @brumby92
    @brumby924 жыл бұрын

    I just had the urge to go and reinstall STALKER

  • @mistertililing5933

    @mistertililing5933

    4 жыл бұрын

    Try out STALKER Anomaly. It's a good standalone mod based on CoP.

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    Was fiddling with dds weapon skin files for STALKER yesterday, small world.

  • @ARTalive01

    @ARTalive01

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, i highly recommend Anomaly as well! Great mod and one that they are still updating and working on! If you get around that corner I work on an addon by the name of Trader Overhaul Complete.

  • @AdamBorseti

    @AdamBorseti

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ARTalive01 the best Stalker mod ever made!

  • @ARTalive01

    @ARTalive01

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@AdamBorseti Indeed. hence why I even bothered to make an addon in the first place.

  • @freelancerdetroit102
    @freelancerdetroit1024 жыл бұрын

    Finally! I waited so long for those to be covered!

  • @germanredneck4414
    @germanredneck44144 жыл бұрын

    I just wanted to ask for a video with max about the PKM, then i saw it in the recommended stuff. Youre both doing such amazing work

  • @milanthemilan5015
    @milanthemilan50154 жыл бұрын

    Where to donate so Max can get actually usable camera and mic? If we do good maybe some internet too.

  • @user-lg4mm3mf8i
    @user-lg4mm3mf8i4 жыл бұрын

    These 9x39mm guns remind me of S.T.A.L.K.E.R and Metro 2033. :D They look so badass.

  • @ArcturusOTE

    @ArcturusOTE

    4 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately in Metro they're converted to 5.45x39, which somewhat makes sense since they can use commonly found ammo

  • @XtreeM_FaiL

    @XtreeM_FaiL

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yayo' Ariowibowo Not much sense tho. Converting 9x39mm weapon to 5.54x39mm you need to change at least bolt, mag and barrel. That's like almost all the important parts of a gun.

  • @livingborg

    @livingborg

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@XtreeM_FaiL I think they covered that though, one of the metro tunnels goes right under an arms factory which was in full production of 5.45 barrels/ mags / bolts basically the tooling for everything they need and ammunition manufacturing as well, I believe it's under Hanza control but I could be wrong. 9mm ammo would definitely be in short supply compared to 5.45 though

  • @davehood2667

    @davehood2667

    4 жыл бұрын

    These would be the real things the games copied and typically renamed. Metro's "VSV" in particular is a VSK 94 (seen at 26:38) rechambered for 5.45mm and given a different name.

  • @volkoff6357
    @volkoff63574 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video and information, now I want a VSS even more!

  • @Martial11480
    @Martial114804 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Thanks for all.

  • @Greez1337
    @Greez13373 жыл бұрын

    When my Grand Children ask me where I was at the turn of the new year of 2021, I can proudly say "I was on the toilet watching Gun Jesus and pals talk about the 9x39mm cartridge ".

  • @ra30r
    @ra30r4 жыл бұрын

    civilian vintorez cost about 1900-2150$ right now in Russia... if anybody is interested in this info...

  • @miloradowicz

    @miloradowicz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nvm, I googled it, and it seems the civilian Vintorez is no more than just a name and looks. The similarities are only visual, the action is completely different.

  • @ldsmmsh

    @ldsmmsh

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@miloradowicz selling suppressed weapons to civilians is against the law in Russia

  • @miloradowicz

    @miloradowicz

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ldsmmsh yep, but the thing with this gun, is that it's a different cartridge, different barrel (not only unsuppressed, but twice longer according to what I read), different bolt-locking system and different action overall. Different receiver and even its cover and scope mounting rails are different. It's Vintorez in the same sense as an airsoft gun is a real gun. Same shape, different insides.

  • @ldsmmsh

    @ldsmmsh

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@miloradowicz sure, it's pure marketing bs

  • @Jason-ut8wc
    @Jason-ut8wc10 ай бұрын

    Awesome interview!

  • @kortushkakarterfel4386
    @kortushkakarterfel43864 жыл бұрын

    Love these Popenker featuring videos

  • @vonSarno
    @vonSarno4 жыл бұрын

    "Get out of here Stalker." *I am referencing the Meme from a video game series and mean no ill will towards Max or Ian

  • @RobertCBRN
    @RobertCBRN4 жыл бұрын

    Hey, that's Skinflint from Shadow of Chernobyl!

  • @AdamBorseti

    @AdamBorseti

    4 жыл бұрын

    Holy SHIT! You're right! Max is Skinflint! He seems like Freedom type. "Check out these cool new guns, boss! Hey..... while you're looking..... maybe you can test the new hardware on some bloodsuckers that have been giving our boys some trouble. It's just over there, in that village with burnt fuzz and comets flying around. There's also a lot of radiation, and if you step too close to those cement foundations, you'll burst into flames. If you can tap-dance your way around that, then you can kill that C'thuhlu-faced mutant asshole for me, and I will give you 🥁......... a piece of bread!"

  • @strahinjastevic7480

    @strahinjastevic7480

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Hulbetley monolith are basically brainwashed fanatics who can barelly, speak properly

  • @garrick3727

    @garrick3727

    3 жыл бұрын

    I did read somewhere, years ago, that one or more STALKER npc portaits are modeled on the people who ran the websites where they go their information. This was back in the early 2000s, so there were fewer websites.

  • @Daniel-hf8qg
    @Daniel-hf8qg4 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Thank you gentlemen.

  • @kendalllladnek9779
    @kendalllladnek97794 жыл бұрын

    Hey, awesome, getting to see the webmaster of the most formative gun site of my childhood!

  • @chopinbloc
    @chopinbloc4 жыл бұрын

    I *really* want to get my hands on some to test on gel and armor.

  • @winkleried

    @winkleried

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Chopping Block SGAmmo sells it.

  • @chopinbloc

    @chopinbloc

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@winkleried I'll get in touch with them. Who makes rifles or AR uppers?

  • @winkleried

    @winkleried

    4 жыл бұрын

    The Chopping Block No clue.

  • @Taistelukalkkuna
    @Taistelukalkkuna4 жыл бұрын

    To quote my character from Jagged Alliance 2: Unfinished Business. "I always wanted to put few rounds through one of these" while picking up AS Val.

  • @CHmLgN
    @CHmLgN4 жыл бұрын

    ITS THE GUY! It's gotta be like 16-17 years that I've been learning heaps from that site, very cool.

  • @theultimatewindlord3144
    @theultimatewindlord31444 жыл бұрын

    nice, i've been waiting for this!

  • @floranhupscher272
    @floranhupscher2724 жыл бұрын

    max is sometimes hard to understand. not his fault offcourse but subtitles would help...

  • @nomdemorte1302

    @nomdemorte1302

    4 жыл бұрын

    Press c to get subtitles If you would like to contribute, you can also click the 'gear' icon, click 'Subtitles/CC', click 'Add Subtitles/CC', and follow the instructions to create subtitles for the video which are available to everyone.

  • @ForeverDoubting

    @ForeverDoubting

    4 жыл бұрын

    Closed captions aren't to bad tbh.

  • @D3X1K_AXYZ

    @D3X1K_AXYZ

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@nomdemorte1302 why would someone ask for subtitles like this if they didn't need them to understand what max is saying? In order to contribute you need to be able to understand what he said. Auto generated cc is not exactly very good for this

  • @oldredcoonhound2182

    @oldredcoonhound2182

    4 жыл бұрын

    Click on the 3 dots on top right and turn captions on if need

  • @offchance789

    @offchance789

    4 жыл бұрын

    Max needs a better microphone thats not ten dollars.

  • @AH-6MStories
    @AH-6MStories4 жыл бұрын

    9x39 best x39

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm not inviting you to my barbecue now.

  • @AH-6MStories

    @AH-6MStories

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@xmm-cf5eg listen man, we can still be friends. My akm doesn't like 9x39....and we all know how much I love your sweet steel casing

  • @xmm-cf5eg

    @xmm-cf5eg

    4 жыл бұрын

    D'aw, that's a nice compliment.

  • @AH-6MStories

    @AH-6MStories

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@xmm-cf5eg dont worry, 9x39 hasn't gotten here yet. We can still do things like we used to

  • @jerryjohnsonii4181
    @jerryjohnsonii41814 жыл бұрын

    Very Cool round an thanks for the knowledge about 9x39mm

  • @znchadwick
    @znchadwick4 жыл бұрын

    Some interesting Soviet/Russian rifle development. Pretty cool, hope to see more with Max!

  • @ArcturusOTE
    @ArcturusOTE4 жыл бұрын

    Meme idea: Have Max recreate the "Meet the Heavy" video but with a DSHk (or any other Russian MG) while reciting accurate statistics

  • @Gladiator34B

    @Gladiator34B

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yayo' Ariowibowo that would be amazing!!

  • @Zmeeed01

    @Zmeeed01

    3 жыл бұрын

    I can totally imagine it with a 12.7x108 mm round and the Kord nearly crushing the table

  • @kyosefgofa
    @kyosefgofa4 жыл бұрын

    Do you have a video on the 9A-91?

  • @andreykitushin5018

    @andreykitushin5018

    4 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6F7qdKnnNmcj6Q.html

  • @jamesgeorgi170

    @jamesgeorgi170

    4 жыл бұрын

    For a few pictures you can google 9A91 Syria. They were delivered to the Republican Guard there along with the VSK-94. Seems like having one is quite a status symbol there.

  • @heresie
    @heresie4 жыл бұрын

    the closed captions are surprisingly on point

  • @diablo666morgan
    @diablo666morgan4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video ian and Max great to learn about one of my favorite calibres In S.T.A.L.K.E.R

  • @balathruin
    @balathruin4 жыл бұрын

    Is there any information about what was improved with the modernisation of the Val and VSS, other than external differences? I'd assume current production is ASM Val and VSSM Vintorez by now.

  • @bogdanbogdanoff5164

    @bogdanbogdanoff5164

    4 жыл бұрын

    This needs to be seen

  • @zerk490

    @zerk490

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey, aren't you one of the Call of Chernobyl devs? cool mod.