You are doing the best coverage of this situation of anyone, and there are professional journalists covering this situation. Thank you!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@emallace447

2 жыл бұрын

Absolute facts.

@mirelykollmannsberger6816

2 жыл бұрын

Fr

@sallygreenfield6991

2 жыл бұрын

@@pupis2289 Who, me? I have, personally.

@emallace447

2 жыл бұрын

@@pupis2289 And what exactly is the Russian point of view?

I have been reviewing the 2000 case against gymnast Andreea Raducan who was stripped of her all-around gold after testing positive for cold medicine. Her team physician was banned for two Olympic cycles. While I don't think the med in the cold medicine is as bad as what Valieva was taking, I think there is precedent. A snippet I thought was interesting in that case and relevant here: " Răducan's case was brought before the Court of Arbitration for Sport in late September 2000. While the arbitration panel did concede that Răducan had not gained any advantage by taking the pseudoephedrine, and that she was an underage athlete who had followed her team physician's instructions, they also upheld the IOC's decision. The basis for their decision was the belief that the Anti-Doping Code of the Olympics had to be enforced "without compromise", regardless of the intentions or age of the athlete"

@karolemorehead8382

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I’ve been saying this all along. Why are we treating this case differently than previous athletes.

@sallygreenfield6991

2 жыл бұрын

@@karolemorehead8382 Because she's 15 and Russian, so there are both moral and political problems that supposedly didn't exist with Raducan (to be fair, I would argue that Raducan was also a minor, but not in the eyes of the IOC and WADA, apparently).

@Q_from_Star_Trek

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you brought that as IOC's and WADA's dilemma's how to "enforce" the rule for an athlete form Russia and one from Romania, big power vs no power. Tthey have clear double standards. Andreea took a Nurofen (that's an over the counter medication for cold and flu in Romania), without the knowledge of the doctor (she went into his kit and took one without thelling him) in the night of all around competition, because she got congested (she said the strong A/C in the gymnastic pavillion made her caught a cold during the team competition). Needless to say the the Russian federation insisted that Romanian was stripped of the Gold medal in the team competition, too, which took place before the all around, after which she tested negative. The court of arbitration didn't take in acoount anything (that she was a minor, that she took the Nurofen from the Team Dr's aid kit, that the substance was not helping her with anything) and they enforced the rule "without compromise". Few years later, after the pseudoefedrine was taken off from WADA's banned substances, Andreea submitted an inquiry with the IOC to get her gold medal back and she was refused, AGAIN. One wonders if the "without compromise" is applied just to small countries?

@Q_from_Star_Trek

2 жыл бұрын

@@karolemorehead8382 the double standard of WADA and IOC is obvious...to say the least...

@kimcavagna2082

2 жыл бұрын

Good work on your research, this makes total sense.

This isn't just about clean competition anymore. We are talking about the abuse and exploitation of children. What they've done to this poor girl is repulsive. There is no way that she is the only one. If the Court of Arbitration for Sport fails to take action against this, I think the other federations should withdraw in protest.

@mikegarcia7986

2 жыл бұрын

The coach (a total beyotch, by the way) the "doctor" should be banned from their positions FOR LIFE, no ifs, ands, or buts!!! TOTAL CORRUPTION! LOCK THEM UP!!!!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

I'm extremely concerned if these coaches and doctors aren't held accountable, these girls could suffer awful consequences down the road from the drugs. I doubt they're going to be punished in any way 😪

@galinanikitenko8327

2 жыл бұрын

Вообще чщькакая то ! Он что не знает, что проба взята в декабре 2021, а не на ОЛИМПИЙСКИХ играх 2022? Вообще это не ваше дело какие доктора работают в Российской команде! Хватит провокации! Я его стираю, не могу слушать эту чушь

Dave, I have worked as a professional broadcast journalist, producer, and professor. Your information is thorough, detailed, well sourced and covers all the important questions. Unlike most you don’t traffic in wild rumors or speculation. And dammit man you can connect those dots! A-plus, award-winning work. Where’s your Patreon, we need to fund this! Viva!!

@seashellez

2 жыл бұрын

Patreon link in description

@Salmiyaguy1

2 жыл бұрын

Besides Christine Brennan most sports journalists are not conversant in figure skating. I too, have worked in all the fields you mentioned, so I too realize the failings of sports journalism when it comes to figure skating coverage.

@GayleFalkenthal

2 жыл бұрын

@@seashellez Ty!

Dave you are amazing for putting these updates out so frequently! Thank you!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

NBC? CNN? ESPN? ABC? Nah. THIS CHANNEL is where I come to get all the latest news. You're doing an amazing job, Dave! Thanks for keeping us in the loop. Pun intended.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@catherinemcgill3004

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Thanks Dave! 👏👏👏👏👏

The OJ trial was actually a great analogy-everyone knows what *should* happen, but there is good reason to suspect it won’t.😂 In this situation, however, I expect they’ll do the right thing. We’ll see.

@edwardsarinana1997

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the right is “DISQUALIFY” and “BANN” Russia for life in every Winter and Summer Olympics Sports. Russia loves to play the Russian-Roulette of CHEATERS!

@mysticalmargaret6105

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardsarinana1997 At minimum, Russia should be banned for one or two Olympic cycles. I feel for the young child athletes, but tougher sanctions must be taken by the IOC. Also, the FIG should strip Kamila of all of her titles, and ban her for one year from ISU events. Imo, the entire Russian Figure Skating Federation should be sanctioned as well, for at least one year.

Thank you for this coverage. Kamila should NOT be allowed to skate. Cannot bend rules for one athlete when others have been penalized. Universal rules MUST be followed by all countries.

@margaridacosta270

2 жыл бұрын

Should had done that before the games.

@a9029k

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is now the gold medal will end up going to one of her training-mates who has undoubtedly been subjected to all the same training methods but didn’t have the misfortune of returning a positive urine test.

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

@@a9029k exactly

@Q_from_Star_Trek

2 жыл бұрын

@siralanlordsugar doping is endemic in Russia and Sochi 2014 proved that...if TUE is the legal way, why didn't they apply for Kamila, saying that, at 14-15 she has a heart problem and she cannot compete without that heart medication, like they did for Simone Biles for ADHD?

@magscovers8924

2 жыл бұрын

@@margaridacosta270 The results didn’t come out until the games started because Russia isn’t allowed to drug test their own athletes for obvious reasons. The samples were sent to Sweden to be tested, which took a while to ship. Then there were COVID cases at the Swedish lab and the lab was shut down temporarily. They started back up and ran the samples it was positive for Valieva. The Swedes immediately notified Russia to suspend the athlete. This was the same day she completed, so no, they couldn’t suspend her before the games.

You are saving my Olympic experience and giving me hope in general by speaking out against this blatant corruption!

The clip of Ted sincerely complimenting/asking Eteri about how her girls are never injured has lived in my head rent-free since I first saw it. I normally can’t stand the “delete your account” approach but in Ted’s case, I get it.

@youarestronger

2 жыл бұрын

Even Eteri corrected him in that interview lol

@krob2327

Жыл бұрын

I wonder who’s been paying him

Thank you for your coverage. I feel like I’m going crazy when I talk about this situation with people. They just don’t seem to understand how serious this is!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@L.Spencer

2 жыл бұрын

No one I is even watching skating, they're watching skiing and curling.

@mainaalmeida4246

2 жыл бұрын

me too, is so awful

@mysticalmargaret6105

2 жыл бұрын

@@L.Spencer Actually, yes we are. Plenty of us are watching. Speak for yourself.

Long time subscriber & I know it's been said but I'll just chime in & add my "thanks" for your great coverage. Honestly, it's been the absolute best! My take (& it doesn't matter, I get that) is that this whole situation would happen sooner or later. It's magnified exponentially since it's at the Olympics. I'm grateful b/c there may actually be world-wide viewers holding the federations accountable. While I am sorry for K, whom I do believe to be an incredibly gifted athlete *I mean, c'mon, those extensions, although sometimes overused DaniG style are from her & not as a result of doping*-her results should be nullified since the playing field was altered. I would imagine that if her results do stand, there will be huge negative ramifications for the $$$ that the Olympics garner. At any rate, I am not at all surprised this happened. I'm sorry for K but I sure hope that this changes my beloved sport for the better. I miss those days. Thx again, Dave.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

Dave, thank you for keeping us up to date with the Eteri Gate!

Dave thanks for covering this! With an objective perspective but also sharing your opinion. Great job 👏

I hope my girl, Kostornaia, will write a tell-all book one day.

I think the only way to stop the abuse of minors is to forbid participation in senior events until at least 16 (I prefer 18) and put in strict practice limits in the junior ranks.

I also hate how all the media coverage talks about how the girls are able to do what no one else can do, without also mentioning the questionable technique and unfair judging.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! They say kamila is the best figure skater of all time (😱🤣) yet her technique is the worst to EVER come out of the eteri camp

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

It's unimaginable "willpower" and Anna is a hero for recovering over night, yeah right. Drugpower and suppression, abuse, control... property of the country 🥴

@TheDivayenta

2 жыл бұрын

Well- it’s Tara and Johnny-🙄

@amethyst5512

2 жыл бұрын

They also don’t seem to stop to think why these girls can do what girls from other countries cannot. Well, other countries don’t seem to be willing to dope mass quantities of young children to win at sports.

I wonder how Shvetsky gets an Olympic accreditation in the first instance. I'm sure figures with with lesser misdemeanours have been denied this in other sports.

@fotomagrol

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe mafia...o well connections

@catc8927

2 жыл бұрын

He better get a lifetime ban after this. That previous ban with the rowers clearly did nothing to deter him.

Dave, your coverage on this has been such a gift to us. I really appreciate how sensitive you have been towards Kamila (who I believe to be a victim in this mess) Thank you for all your hard work.

@tonyventura4605

2 жыл бұрын

😡Victim my foot! Valieva knew what she did! She is a cheater and I will not be watching the women’s skating for the 1st time in 40 years!

There are some groups in social media that have not been fans of TSL in general but even they are acknowledging how great you have been covering this. And it’s been grounding me through all the stress of this scandal. Thank you Dave!!

Thanks you again for staying on the case Dave!

Well I guess Arthur Liu finally figured out why Alysa just couldn’t keep up with the Russians.

After watching a few videos I’ve realised you’re making the Olympics that much more exciting! Thank you for the coverage! Really enjoying all the research and opinions :) ♥️

@michellek649

2 жыл бұрын

He's the best! Thank you! Great analysis!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Anaesthesiologists are also trained in acute and chronic pain management/analgesia (in addition to airway management and provision of different types of anaesthesia). Some of them may even choose to do fellowships after graduating from anaesthetic training which allows them to subspecialise in chronic pain. Anaesthetists are also well versed in cardiovascular and respiratory haemodynamics. My only guess is that this anaesthetist transitioned into acute and chronic pain management and became a medical skating advisor through that route? It does seem rather atypical as I would have expected a specific sports physician to be involved, especially when we are talking about Olympic tier athletes. Edit: Anaesthetists are also well trained in giving local anaesthetic blocks and steroid injection (often under ultrasound guidance) to reduce local inflammation in inflamed joints, rotator cuff and prolapsed lumbar disc injuries.

@etherealtb6021

2 жыл бұрын

But isn't an Ortho doctor (also trained in pain management) more practical for a skating team?🤷‍♀️

@karenburgner217

2 жыл бұрын

Ortho isn’t as great at pain management- they’re really focused on surgical repair. A sports doc or someone trained in physical medicine and rehab would actually be my first choice for a “team doctor” Having a pain specialist actually is scary- we have pain as a tool to prevent worsening injuries - so over treating pain actually will lead to more injury, more rapid body breakdown etc Which is 100% what we’re seeing in sambo 70. 🤯🤬🤯 I would call it child abuse. And all of the adults in that group need to face criminal charges on top of lifetime bans from sport.

@sunshinesmile94

2 жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 I agree with Karen Burgner... As surgeons, Orthopaedic doctors are not well versed in the intricacies of pain management. Typically the two most common routes to becoming a Pain Specialist is either through Anaesthetic training or through Intensivist training (ICU doctors). Other routes (less common) are through Neurosurgery or Neurology. That is because many types of analgesia (especially narcotics) can also be respiratory depressants as well as addictive. It requires someone well versed in the management of cardiorespiratory haemodynamics to select and titrate the appropriately safe dosages. Orthopaedic surgeons, like most other surgeons, have a decent idea about pain management for their specific operations etc. But anything more complicated beyond that they will refer the patient to a specific Pain specialist. For Olympic athletes, a specially trained Sports & Rehab Physician would be the most ideal choice.

@jeffaldridge4051

2 жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 clearly, a sports medicine specialist would be most useful. This doctor was probably a “political” appointment. Having an anesthesiologist as the teen doctor makes about as much sense as having an architect do the team’s choreography.

@jeffaldridge4051

2 жыл бұрын

@@sunshinesmile94 it is worrisome that everyone seems to think pain management is the most important part of a medical contact with any athlete or sports team. Evaluating an injury and recommending treatment is far more important than just treating pain. First you need a diagnosis, then you treat.

Two things I am pretty sure about: - Eteri says that she is sure KV is innocent of doping herself. She's likely being honest. - Eteri is probably OUTRAGED at this Dr. Likely, his whole job is to get the dosage correct and to get it out of their system at the right time. Apparently he failed. He will be gone from this team and she might demand someone more competent.

@sewinginscottish

2 жыл бұрын

I guess that’s the trouble with doping athletes without their knowledge… they don’t know they need to evade an out of competition test

@TheDivayenta

2 жыл бұрын

She’s throwing Kami under the bus by implying it was an individual act and she “ hopes she’s innocent”.

@pretzel_cat

2 жыл бұрын

Sewing in Scottish True. And then not letting them drink water around competition time; how does she expect them to flush the drugs from their bodies properly?

I def think they’re gonna shift the blame to the doctor. Eteri will pretend she didn’t know and they will probably ban him again. But he will most likely keep working bts!

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

I almost supect they will fake documents and say Kamila was sick all along 🥴

@almourie

2 жыл бұрын

@@anayarey I wouldn’t put it past them, even though tmz is for patients of 50/60+ years!

Looking deeply into this scenario has become more important than who's getting the team event gold medal or who will be able to compete in women's event. The fact is a banned substance has been found in a skater's test and everything points to the evidence that she herself didn't decide to take the drug or was even aware of this being part of the stuff she's been given. Dave is absolutely right when he questions why this doctor continues working so close in competitive sports. If any professional fails so badly as he apparently did in the past, why any ethical sports staff would hire him ever again? it's time to raise this kind of question instead of narrowing the scope of what everyone should be looking into. The worst of this situation would be if it's like it's officals, journalists, sports institutions X Kamila. They have to reach behind her and make it very clear that this is an aopportunity to save generations of children from being experimented with.

@Solarsonic88

2 жыл бұрын

Because the doctor is their doping expert and also the fall guy to place all the blame on. Why else would they have an anesthesiologist for absolutely no reason...

@catc8927

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly, we’re not dealing with ethical sports staff. These are the sort of people who are fine with a 15 year old girl fracturing her hip due to osteoporosis, due to delayed puberty and nutrition deficiency.

Tat has turned 75 today. Let’s wish her good health! ❤️

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@evamasters5028

2 жыл бұрын

What a drama present had her new best friend Eteri given TAT for her birthday!

Dave, Snaps in a Figure 8 Formation-excellent coverage and you bring up great subtexts. In particular, Schevetsky, Bond Villain if ever there was one.

Thank you for your hard work, Dave. At this point, I am so stressed & anxious... I realized watching FS made me lose faith in fairness. I actually believe Tutberidze can get away with this. And Its just awful to understand I got used to cheating, corruption, evil people never getting caught. What a horrible feeling.

I can’t wait for Netflix documentary on this yall…

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes!

@gutsfinky

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Dave, get on that...

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson you and Tara and her husband should make one!!

You rock, Dave. The best coverage available, far more detailed and in depth than anyone else's 👍

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

Thank you for these updates please keep them coming. I agree with you on all points and thank you for stating the honest truth and for asking the questions that the other journalists won't touch.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

Thank you for a discussion that brings us closer to the truth

Why do I get the feeling all of Eteri is giving drugs to all of her girls? Kamila was the only one who didn’t flush it out on time and got caught

@amethyst5512

2 жыл бұрын

Well duh, why else do you think they have all these young girls training insane amounts of run throughs & doing quads at 11 while no other country is doing that. It’s been obvious for years to those paying attention. Do you think Japan & Korea just stopped trying?

I wondered for the longest time who was that guy and it wasn’t until a year or so ago that I found out in a KZread video comment. PS, Russian rhythmic gymnasts have also had the same physician for like 20 years now, side by side with many of the top coaches, sometimes even on the kiss and cry, but that guy is actually the physical therapist.

I love your videos very informative and interesting. your videos definitely are making people question more than what they are given.

Thank you Dave 🙏. Agree with everything you said. I hope that the right things are done for Kamila (going forward past Olympics) and the rest the other athletes from the team event. Just food for thought, is there or should be a like Safe Sports International for the well being of athletes no matter their country? Thank you again! Jess 🙂🙏

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@LHampton

2 жыл бұрын

The health of these extremely young and talented athletes, certainly must be questioned. I have been viewing the training sessions endured in Russian camp of Eteri Tutberjidze. It is extreme!!!!!!!!!! With hopes to receive authentic answers from today’s hearing about doping: May the results be truthful for the sake of all concerned!

@jessicagalvin363

2 жыл бұрын

@@LHampton Agree 👍🙏

@jessicagalvin363

2 жыл бұрын

This quite interesting to tells this. Just saw a article that Team Japan is questioning the IOC when their skaters will get their medals. Think patience is run thin with waiting for results to Kamila's situation.

You are amazing! I applaud your dedication and the bandwidth it takes to do what you do. And you make me laugh (lol @ the OJ reference)!

@suzannefraser4966

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

Always interesting insight - thank you. You made me think of the public reaction of this situation in Russia and the difference from a reaction here in the States. When Simone Biles withdrew from some events to focus on her mental health she was largely and harshly criticized for this decision. Even those who supported her decision (a completely correct decision IMO) weren't draping buildings with her image to speak of her in angelic terms.

@Q_from_Star_Trek

2 жыл бұрын

they both have in common doping...one with TUE, and one without...

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

@@Q_from_Star_Trek don’t feed this troll y’all

@oyinolubayo7079

2 жыл бұрын

True…..but she is also not a child. I believe even in America or Canada had this happened with an athlete from there, protecting a child comes first. I think in a sense the reaction would be in favour of the girl in a sense that they would see her as a victim of abuse coach and would demand she be taken away from the coach. But I definitely don’t think it will still be as extreme as what the Russians r doing.

@RR-us1lt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Q_from_Star_Trek they weren't draping buildings with Simone biles image true, they only named her Athlete of the Year

It feels like Kamila Valieva is still being lied to...I'm willing to bet that Eteri is convincing her that Filipp did not give her banned drugs. I wonder if she's starting to distrust her team, at last

@jonathanm.9801

2 жыл бұрын

I lowkey been wanting Kamila and Kostornaia to go somewhere like Orser or anywhere that has good choreo for the longest🙈 This is obviously not the way I wanted it to happen, but this moment might be the catalyst for a movement away from Eteri. The students’ parents are probably considering moving rinks too. What parent wants their child to be given drugs without them knowing?

@amethyst5512

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. The brainwashing is pretty strong.

Your coverage on this topic is exceptional and you explain the situation so clearly and with so much understanding. I hope more people find your channel and hear your insight because right now people are just yelling at each other without trying to understand the Russian ice skating historical and current landscape.

Great work Dave! These updates are very informative and much appreciated. Keep up the excellent work - thank you!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

Not gonna lie, I always thought that guy was KGB muscle protecting the valuable skaters and coaching staff. He always looked out of place and separate from what was taking place on the ice.

David Have you heard when the other Russians tested on the 12/ 25 where reported. Did all Russians Test done after Nationals not get reported till Feb 8th or only Kamilla's. If everybody but Kamilla was done in 10 days then One has to ask was Kamillas done too and they held it back till after Russia put Kamilla in the team event. Or was it even Kamilla's sample that tested positive. We all know Anna and Sasha would have won short and long as well. Would love to know the answer to that question.

Since figure skating isn't popular in the US now, perhaps we can imagine if it were Michelle Kwan at her second Olympics, or Kerri Strug right after she landed the vault on one foot.

Thank you so much for all your effort! Your videos are always so substantial, never just fluff - well done!! I don't know if Eteri and her camp will ever be held accountable, they've only really been in business for just under 10 years so in the long term, that's still nothing. Definitely sounds like they are too big / political to fail. I just wish Kamila well after all this because clearly she'll just be set aside when they find their next angel.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

In all sports, the performance on the day is what counts, so it seems illogical at first that athletes testing negative at the Olympics would test positive months before. However, as Dave has said, figure skating is unique in that it is so complex and has so many different elements, each of which have to be trained with high numbers of repetitions to gain consistency. Recovery time from training is also an important factor. Because figure skating has frequent competitions (and the margin for error in ladies skating is slim because not many women can jump quads and triple axels), being consistent is absolutely vital to the success of a female figure skater. If a drug allows you to do even 1 more run through per day, or 10 more jumps, this adds up tremendously over time. So, if a skater were able to take a banned substance that would allow them to do more runthroughs and repetitions, and perhaps decrease recovery time, its easy to see that while the drug wouldnt change much in a one-off situation, it would give a considerable unfair advantage if used to assist the training process over time. I hope this makes sense- basically taking drugs to enhance performance during training when skaters arent at competitions allows them to reap the benefits by gaining consistency without getting caught by doping tests. Notice how remarkably consistent the Russians have been this season (and for the last several- I am not accusing the girls of knowingly cheating, I put all the blame on the adults around them). I doubt they are the only ones doing it, but knowing Russia's history for doping it is certainly more prevalent. I also dont doubt the girls' work ethic and talent- no drug can make you feel the music like Kamila Valieva or Alyona Kostornaia can (if there were, perhaps Daniil G would be better at choreography). But, its definitely been something thats been suspected for years, and Kamila will undoubtedly not be the only person being taken advantage of in this system. I'm also not in any way hating on the Russians- I adore watching them perform. Kamila's short program this year (in memory of her grandmother) took me back to when I was watching the Pyeongchang Olympics immediately after my own grandmother's passing. As a Brit I dont appreciate Daniil G's choreography to Bolero at all, but I do appreciate that Kamila does her best to sell it. Equally, I was rendered speechless watching Kostornaia when she performed her Angel program at the 2019 GPF. Medvedeva and Zagitova also drew me into the sport in the first place when I was a young teenager, Alexandra Trusova and Anna Shcherbakova are pioneers in the sport, and I will never tire of watching Liza Tuktamysheva entertain a crowd. Point is, I love watching these talented athletes. I just hate that Eteri Tutberidze has left so many girls broken, and the lengths her team will go to get the maximum results. It needs to stop before figure skating and the Olympics as a whole entirely lose the little credibility they have left. Sorry for the essay!

@rainbowdashsailormoon6005

2 жыл бұрын

No need to apologize because I just read what you wrote and you worded everything perfectly. And yes, as someone who used to skate and is now a dancer, those extra runs make a huge difference. It's also unfortunate that people think we are hating on Russians for wanting to play fair. (especially since I'm still an evgenia and alina fan)

Thank you for bringing up ICARUS, History matters. Good talk, Davik👌🏻seriously. P.S. we need This&That LIVE tonight. I hope you don’t keep us waiting after tonight’s victory. We still haven’t talked about the rhythm dance…sorry to go off topic..I can’t help myself with G&G🤷🏻‍♀️

Isn’t it time that the ISU instigates the registration of trainer and each person in their teams?

Would ANY of these people EVER have to face their day in court or the public reckoning that Nassar had?

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. Nassar was in the US. This is international. I mean I can’t imagine they would be taken to court in Russia. Plus Nassar was a person who was overlooked by the system. Here this is probably bigger than Tutberidze et al, and is likely state sponsored. So there is no court or public reckoning that could even happen. Maybe they will find someone to blame things on and pretend to punish them but I suspect the nature of these situations are different My guess.

thank you for the up to the minute updates! news outlets can only offer outdated information

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

You bet!

Where are Kamila's parents in all of this- if she was my daughter I would be causing so much drama right now. Thanks for all your work this week Dave!!

@esthervictoreah7380

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not that simple in Russia, what are they gonna say. The coach is bad and needs to be banned? That’s following an American “rhetoric” and maybe viewed as being anti-Russian.

@claudeis3456

2 жыл бұрын

@@esthervictoreah7380 The thing is I'm not American and from a small country that doesn't have the funds and natural resources to be overly nationalistic so we have no problem calling out politicians and others that cause harm to people especially children.

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

The parents were accepting of her treatment all along

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

@@esthervictoreah7380 what does facts have to do with "American rhetoric"? Pizza tastes good but I can't say that because it's Italian rhetoric? Is Russia like one big prison where only one "super Russian" view on things is allowed?

@sallydaniel1023

2 жыл бұрын

Russia 🇷🇺 isn't a free country like the USA. Whatever the Kremlin tells you to do you don't disobey

Thank you for this fantastic update Dave! I love how you quoted the Sportschau :) Yesterday you talked about a doctor in Munich that many athletes visit. I was wondering if you heard from dr Müller-Wohlfahrt the doctor from Usain Bolt, Boris Becker the german national soccer team ....?

At this point it would be better if Kamila is sent home. She can return home as a 'wronged' Martyr, with the RusFed making the Doctor the scapegoat. Eteri remains unscathed, Kamila's reputation is restored. Problem solved, we are all good now. If she is allowed to compete-(and win) we have a situation where there is backlash against her being allowed to compete.

I'm definitely with you on all the reporting that you've been doing, however fyi most emergency medics are anesthesiologists (at least in Germany). So it would make sense to have a doctor present that has experience in emergency medicine as a first resource in case of injury (especially serious injury). This could be done by any doctor with this additional qualification (just it is anesthesiologist most of the time bc of experince with intubation ect.). Obviously you would still need an orthopedic doctor on your team for further treatment.

I’ve bitched and complained about me not liking your accent etc. Let me go ahead and say, your coverage on this, literally the best in the history of ever. Thank you

One minute it’s about how Eteri lifts up these desperate ordinary girls from nothing to become champions. The next minute it’s about how Kamila is a prodigy and she didn’t need any drugs to be where she is, so these accusations can’t be true. Which is it?

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

👌💯

@evamasters5028

2 жыл бұрын

With Kamila they tried to replicate the financial bonanza they got with Zagitova. We are talking about millions of $$$ from promotions in Japan and Europe. This is why they had Kamila do both programs at the team event, this is why her publicity was so carefully orchestrated. It must hurt seeing all these potential sponsors and $$$ going down the drain. Remember, eteri takes a hefty 40 cent on every dollar!

@TTran-ti3uy

2 жыл бұрын

@@evamasters5028 40% is this a fact?

@catc8927

2 жыл бұрын

Sigh, I love how internal logical consistency falls by the wayside when the motivation is “win at all costs.”🙄

@sergeym941

2 жыл бұрын

@@evamasters5028 does anyone know if other coaches do this (taking a percentage of earnings)? Probably not, right?

Clicked this video way too fast as soon as I saw it LOL. Great job on covering this Dave! ❤️👍

Even if Kamila is allowed to skate I don’t see it going well for her or ROC (outside of Russia). People will question the validity of her landing on the podium and the integrity of the Olympics will be lost. Can you imagine the energy that Kamila would be receiving during warm ups? No matter how much someone tells you that they’re just “haters” I can’t see that being good for a 15 year old’s mental health. I think Kamila is amazing and obviously special but it is completely unfair to all the other athletes, not just in figure skating, if an athlete that tested positive for a banned substance (without therapeutic exemption) is allowed to Compete and place.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my I’ve been thinking about what would happen if she skated. Can you imagine being any of the other competitors? Would you feel defeated or driven to excel? Would anybody act out during the medal ceremony? Perhaps she would self-destruct consciously or unconsciously? This just does not seem feasible to me at all. However, I’ve been thinking maybe Russians know that she’s not gonna be allowed to skate but they’re creating this narrative of how it’s gonna be unfair for that to happen and building up to that point so they can make her a hero who has been wronged. (It will be true that she has been wronged but the fingers will be pointed to the wrong people)

Ever since the doping scandal broke, I cannot find a video of Camila’s gold performance. Does anyone have a link?

Kamila is protected because there is a team gold medal at stake right now. If they found out about the positive test before the Olympics, they would’ve cast her aside and sent Liza instead. I don’t think they really care about particular athletes.

Thank you again. I have watched everyone of your updates. Good work.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Before that test, and after, Valieva took others which were apparently clear, including in Beijing, where she turned in a performance in the team event that was utterly untouchable, performing a transporting ballet and landing it on scalpels atop ice.

@user-bg5dw7jk2m

2 жыл бұрын

The Washington Post

@Motia5221

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bg5dw7jk2m это их бесит! Что она волшебная, фея) Наша Камила🥰🥰🥰

Always good content.

Saw from Reuters, that the decision will be announced during 1pm-3pm (Beijing Time) on Feb. 14 through either website (did not say which site) or public announcement.

Every journalist should be directing their readers to your channel so you can get more traffic b/c you ARE. DOING. THE. WORK!!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@krob2327

Жыл бұрын

He’s all over it all. But my word this politics is wild

Dave you do a great job, what happened with Daniil Samsonov and how do we have to look at switch back to tuberitze of Trusova and Kostornaia?

Thanks Dave for staying with this!! Awesome job 👏

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. You’ve done a way better job than actual journalist. You have been so professional about this situation Dave. (Also, Miss seeing the eye roll that comes with the videos). You’re a pro at that 😂 and I love it!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

Great updates! I want to see that team medal ceremony happen before the Olympics end.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Iwatchstuff1000

2 жыл бұрын

Me too, the clean athletes shouldn’t be robbed of their moment

@sueecavanau

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad Japan is applying pressure to have the ceremony.

I am wondering what legal standard is being used to assess whether a “protected person” should be suspended from a competition. For example, to be found guilty in a criminal proceeding, prosecution has to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt; in a civil proceeding - the standard is preponderance of evidence. What are the regulations that the arbitrators will follow in deciding this case? Is there a precedent when a similar case was already decided - with a protected person with positive out of competition testing for a micro-dose of a banned substance. Dave is just reading articles…where’s the research? It’s like when the government tries to pass a complicated tax bill - the media take one or three sentences out of the bill and spin it depending on their political leanings…in the meantime, the public has no idea what are the actual contents of a 1,000 page complex bill? What’s the law governing this whole procedure?

@emmotions09

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. I have the same question. It’s not a research from Dave. It’s huge amount of media articles. I personally tried to read WADA and ITA rools, then to find out precedents with guilty or not and different previous examples with athletes all over the world …but I l’m not such a good English Speaker. All of this videos here - full of media speculations even from Russian media. There is no professional research unfortunately (((

Unfortunately I worry that Russia will get away with it. Because the skater is an innocent girl 😩. While I feel bad for her. To allow her to skate would send the wrong answer.

@emmotions09

2 жыл бұрын

Why? It’s a best decision. They should allow her to skate. And then they must do a huge investigation if there is a doping - to take medals back, and if it’s not - to leave all medals. Imagine if they ban her from competition and after that find out that there is no guilty….

@jamn4013

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmotions09 if she competes, someone will be denied their rightfully earned medal ceremony and Olympic moment. On top of it being unfair

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamn4013 it's still gonna be unfair. Imagine all three Russian girls on the podium, all been doping.

@emmotions09

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamn4013 and if it’s mistake or smth?

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmotions09 mistake how? False negative tests can happen because it’s not detected. But by the time you identify a positive that sample has been tested many many times independently. Because they can’t disclose information we don’t know whether they’re able to test a different sample from that time. I heard something about an A sample but i’m not even sure if there’s a B sample. But if there has been a doubt about it false positive she would not have been provisional banned and all this process started. I can see the argument about allowing her to compete but I think against it. It will send the wrong message. It also messes with the psychology of the other competitors. If this had not been announced at all, fine you could let her compete and then deal with it afterwards like what happened with the team event. But now the other athletes would know that they’re competing against someone who doped. I have seen countless comments who said that they felt depressed about even watching the sport. At the very least some skaters might feel that way about the sport that they spent their entire life’s towards at the Olympics! It could be very demoralizing. Will the crowd be cheering or booing? How is Kamila gonna feel? I don’t think it’s as easy as it sounds.

Thank you for this.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

Wow, I was always wondering who this man was at the competitions! Now we know...

omg so what happened in the hearing? is it out yet? will kami skate on the 15th?

Hey, I‘m also an anaesthetist and I also sometimes work as a doctor at sports events! And not just me! First of all, I‘m a doctor. One important thing: in many countries, including Russia or Germany (where I live) anaethetists have a very different training and very different „duties“. We not only hang around in the OT and watch people sleeping 😴, 😅. We are also trained as emergency doctors and work on ambulances or helicopters. I know many colleagues who work for soccer teams etc. We are trained for all kinds of emergencies, including fractures, head injuries etc. So it’s not unusual that an anaesthetist is a team doctor, it does make sense. But I know that in the USA the training at medical school is very different. In most countries in Europe we don‘t have specialists who only work as emergency doctors. Most doctors on the ambulance helicopter 🚁 for example are anaesthetists, some are surgeons, etc. But of course you are absolutely right, this doctor you are talking about is an absolute disgrace to our profession 🤬

Love your reporting !! I just read on Reuters that the CAS hearing was conducted not by the doping panel but by the legal unit. Here’s the quote: “Initially it was thought the case would be heard by CAS's six-member doping unit, but the court later said its legal disputes unit would be handling it.” Do you think there is significance to that change? If I remember correctly, the IOC (and the Russian media) was using the phrase “it’s a legal issue” when reporting on the delay of the team medal ceremony when the story first broke.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy the videos.

I agree that the Olympics are better off with top competitors in play, but I don’t think that carving out new rules for Russia will do anything to change this. Whatever rules you give them - they’ll find a way to work around them, there’s almost a national pride element to “outsmarting” the rules. I think only a full ban can force them to realize that this isn’t a game.

An anesthesiologist would be perfect for doping. They have incredible knowledge of drug metabolism and elimination and could help athletes avoids detection. They also are skilled with pain medicine and administration and could be injecting who knows what for off-label pain relief.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

100%

@amethyst5512

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly why he’s the team doctor. And he has lots of experience doping athletes.

@mathildewesendonck7225

2 жыл бұрын

Please consider that in Europe it’s not unusual that anaesthetists treat athletes. Our training and the system is very different from the US. Anaesthetists here are also trained to be emergency physicians, so it makes sense to have an anaesthetist as a team doctor. But of course this guy is an absolute disgrace to our profession 🤬

Thank you for the updates! I sent you video to someone in Sweden, and they say the link cannot be opened. I wonder, why? Are there certain countries that do not have access to your videos?

@fatimamartins1770

2 жыл бұрын

força Camila se fosse mais fraca ninguém ligava

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I have no idea.

David, thank you for your honest review of this difficult situation. In all Russian publications and blogs you are strongly criticized. Russians simply hate you. I speak and write Russian well and I know what I'm talking about. It's good that there are honest people and journalists like you. thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for showing that there are Russians who don't fall for all the propaganda! It seems rare

@mrzt61

2 жыл бұрын

@@anayarey I am an American and very proud of it. Russian American. So I can openly express my thoughts and feelings. Many Russians are simply afraid to do it. I read all publications in Russian and see how unfairly they treat Americans.

@L.Spencer

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can understand/explain, why do they not seem to care that her health is in danger by doping? I just don't get it.

@sueecavanau

2 жыл бұрын

@@L.Spencer I believe it's for the same reason Americans did not seem to care about the physical, emotional and sexual abuse of our young olympic gymnasts. There are large, powerful governing bodies that enable the abuse to continue and sweep everything under the rug. The fans go on and enjoy watching the young athletes perform while the abuse is covered up. I am glad that Dave said we are all complicit by continuing to watch and enjoy sports that involve abuse.

@mrzt61

2 жыл бұрын

@@L.Spencer Valieva's mother is so greedy for money and contracts, that she doesn't care what happens to her daughter. Eteri trains a lot of girls. They say that Shcherbakova also takes doping. For Eteri, it doesn't matter who wins, her prize money of 40% is very important to her. In addition to the salary and interest from the prize money, Eteri receives money in envelopes from the parents of the students. All parents hope that their child will break through to the top of fame. This is corruption in its purest form, because Eteri works at a state skating rink. If in the west a skater jumps, for example, 15 jumps for training, then Eteri’s students 50. Children in crutches and temperature go out on the ice. This is a complete abuse of minors.Eteri does not care about her students, she only cares about money

Do we know what time to expect an announcement?

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard Monday

@DavidJones-wf9zc

2 жыл бұрын

Around 10 pm Sunday (Pacific Standard Time)

Wha happened to the ‘Young & The Restless’ theme that used to open ‘ATBT’ videos? It is needed right now with all this drama!

Putin set Valieva on a literal pedestal before sending the Russin team off.

Always very interesting ! thank you Dave ;)

Todo esto no está dañando una niña y a su grupo,es insano todo, hay un culpable, así sea de plantar todo y debe ser aclarado por el.bien de todos,mucho poder detrás de todo esto .es tan oscuro y retorcido sea por la razón que se haya hecho todo esto .

Yes, I imagine it: and it would be the same! We are talking about young teenagers! There are good reasons why these teenagers are considered "protected persons" and why they are not considered "adult", hence responsible like an adult. On the other hand: if Kamila is prooven positive with doping substance(s) then all responsible adults around her should be banned for a lifetime. It would be such a devastating betrayal of her - without any doubt outstanding - talent.

Formally his title is technical specialist in training i.e. in the state funded skating school that is sambo.

@youarestronger

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Thanks for the update. Just a question - even though they try to cycle out drugs before competition, what about surprise tests out of competition? If WADA randomly knocks on the door and drugs are still in your system? Surely it's a huge risk...

They are playing with fire in regards to giving these tiny girls that kind of medicine … I can’t imagine how bad they must feel after a diuretic . They’re so tiny to begin with . It’s a good thing this happened. This just might have saved someone’s life.

@catc8927

2 жыл бұрын

I’m just appalled at everything they’ve done to all of the poor girls under this coach. The diuretic is just one part of it, they didn’t let the 2014 Olympic competitors drink any water on the day of competition! And the poor 15 yr old whose hip literally broke on her in the middle of competition - that degree of osteoporosis in someone so young is only possible if she’s severely disrupted her puberty hormones and is chronically under-nourished and over-trained. This whole thing is horrific child abuse and needs to be stopped.

Good explanation

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome

Xenon gives you a floaty feeling? So erm...how does one go about obtaining xenon? Asking for a friend.

@evamasters5028

2 жыл бұрын

Your doctor? Self administering will likely be the last thing you do. It probably is not approved by FDA.

@roddo1955

2 жыл бұрын

@@evamasters5028 😉

All I’m gonna say is that, none of this surprising. My mom was a doctor in Moscow during the ‘80s and she saw first hand how much doping was happening in Russian sports. Athletes would be taken to the emergency room and then whisked away by govt officials to a special hospital so they could hide the doping. My mom worked closely with a nurse who was the sister of a VERY famous Russian pairs figure skater. She told my mom all about the doping that was going on with her brother and the top Russian figure skaters. This is a systematic issue that’s been normalized for a long time and won’t end until Russian is properly punished.

After doing research and I watched Icarus in a college class, I refuse to believe a 15 year old girl would intentionally be taking these drugs. There's no way she would have even got them herself. I think for sure they told her they were "vitamins" or they coerced her into taking them. I followed Kamila about a month ago on Instagram and she's an angel.

Turning her into an angel is a smart propaganda move, but people believing that this is "the world treating Russia badly" must have a really bad memory. Athletes from many nations have been caught, the entire Finnish cross country skiing team got busted in 2001, the Tour de France is often revisited, and even Diego Maradona didn't go free.

@TheDivayenta

2 жыл бұрын

And don’t forget Dr Nasser!

@amethyst5512

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDivayenta that wasn’t doping though. That was a whole other nasty rabbit hole.

I think we know the answer in regard to Maria nor getting the same outcry of support and protection as we see this week. Good on you, Dave, to mention the emphatic promotion of Eteri from Ted. Do they and the ISU all have the same IMG agents? (LOL the conflicts of interest regarding IMG in the past 20 years make me pose what would otherwise be a ridiculous question). You mention the possibility that she might be "okay" after this, noting the scars of this happening will be permanent in some way. How about the other girls in this event? Will it effect judging bias? On principle alone, let alone biased judges, they cannot get a fair shake in this experience....right? My heart is breaking for the young women from around the world at their Olympics right now.

thanks for your work on this, Dave. doing the important work.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

The Russians have one thing 100 per cent right. This doping case should be know before the Olympics,that way they would put another skater in the team. Why only exactly in the day of the team medal competition? Pathetic.

@alwaysearlymorning

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. They could have won with any other female skater, Elizaveta included. Similar thing happened to Alina Kabaeva at 2000. It doesn't prove them innocent, but the situation is very strange.

@glacierglider8893

2 жыл бұрын

I believe they knew the results a long time ago. If it came out before she even left Russia or during Europeans it wouldn't have been as politically effective as coming out after she competed in the Team competition. The west wants to go to war with Russia and they are always demonizing them bc that's what you have to do to get your population to support it. We have that country surrounded by military; we have the world surrounded so of course they are going to be nationalistic. If I didn't follow every competition the past 4 yrs I wouldn't even be able to believe the drug test at all because I would assume it was another lie to get me to hate Russia. But, I watched so that's like 90% true in my head; I never have certainties. When the world is always against your country you better believe they are going to unify. Thank god she isn't American bc Americans would rip her apart bc they love tearing each other down and don't really believe in redemption. At least she can go home to Russia and be supported and I want her to feel loved. If Russian military ever has us surrounded you will see how fast we can unify and wave the flag. Our country gave Tamyra Mensah-Stock no celebration being the first black female to win Gold in wrestling because she was patriotic. She wasn't the kind of black person that most Americans like so they ignored her acting like she didn't exist. She didn't fit the narrative so you don't see her in TV advertisements and probably never will. I don't blame Russians for sticking together especially when they are the ones surrounded while western journalists ask Putin why he is so aggressive. I don't think Americans have the right to call him aggressive when he isn't the one with all the military bases. I never watch clips of any politicians interviews or speech bc it has mislead me in the past. I watch it all or don't watch it. Usually I do and most of the time Putin seems like the only rational person in the room who clearly doesn't want war. I was at a Methadone Clinic for my past addiction to Methadone, it's the only drug I was addicted to the whole time and the Methadone clinic can drug test and find anything in just 2 days and I don't believe it really took this long which is another reason it's timing is what I question.

@PV1230

2 жыл бұрын

@@glacierglider8893 maybe you should switch to heroin.

@amethyst5512

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe it was so that this would get the attention it deserves. No sweeping this crap under the rug.

@glacierglider8893

2 жыл бұрын

@@amethyst5512 if an agency is supposed to drug test and they decide on their own to hold back results and knowingly let an athlete compete then they are as corrupt as these coaches and team doctor. It's not for them to decide to wait because they want it to get more attention. I think if they held back results it wasn't bc they actually cared about the athletes. I hope we have major changes but if you are corrupt enough to sit on test results then you are too easily corrupted to be trusted. However, we can only speculate because we just just know what they want us to know and I can suspect all I want that they sat on results because a powerful west wanted to make Russians look bad because when you want to get your citizens on board and support military action against a country it's important to demonize the country you want to go to war against but it will always just be speculation because I only know what information they let me know. I never claim to be certain about most things because certainty requires knowing all the details and we only know what they let us know so speculation is all I can do.