Hi guys! As always the links for the fancams used and video of eng sub kamila interview are in the description box

@luckyincognito7096

2 жыл бұрын

Paola, I have a little favor to ask. When you'll be making a video on WHATEVER THE FUCK just gone down in the ladies' fs, could you please find out what Sasha was saying after the contest? I don't know Russian, but I am polish, and I think I heard something like "Never" and "I hate...". It's confusing as hell.

@annahyrtl8027

2 жыл бұрын

@@luckyincognito7096 she said something like I hate hate hate I’ll not go on the ice again more times and also said You knew this everyone has a gold but I don’t have a gold

@Sashulya

2 жыл бұрын

This is just "name and shame" clickbait rubbish. Unprofessional and harmful. I have unsubscribed

@mattmartian1658

2 жыл бұрын

Ok well ..I will be patently waiting for your next video. Cas this ended up like none expected.

@rainwater4650

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with if we can’t punish them for being too young, then why allow them to compete. In my opinion, they need to raise the age to 17 (I prefer 18 but I know 17 is already pushing it enough). I think gymnastics did something similar.

I think raising the age limit to 17/18 yo at the olympics would be very interesting. This would be the ultimate punishment for team tutberidze and would ultimately force them to change their methods to prolong their athletes careers. It would be a game changer

@Sundletan

2 жыл бұрын

The ISU will do it to protect their own asses. They're the main responsible for this Valieva mess, because they overscored these Eteri girls and they overlooked their technical problems for years, allowing this method to become the standard to beat for everyone. They can't judge like that anymore, at least not without scrutiny, so how convenient is it to raise the age limit and mask everything up.

@cometasporelcielo

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Eteri will have absolutely no idea how to function.

@FallenAngelBrass

2 жыл бұрын

Children should not be allowed in the Olympics- period. Children, however talented or at the peak of their abilities, are not meant to be used for our entertainment. The Olympics must be for adults. Using children this way is criminal.

@fsc4823

9 ай бұрын

i really wish we could just put her in fucking prison

Your "Beginners Guide to Team Tutberidze (drama)" needs a follow up. This thing happening in Beijing 2022 is insane!

@l.n.3372

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. That video is how I found this KZread channel: I clicked on it to hear about the drama from that controversial coach. I was surprised to see just how far back this drama was going.

@eugenijusdolgovas9278

2 жыл бұрын

It was a SORE THROAT medicine. Stop choking on water, guys.

@dominikaosicka243

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!!!

Therapist here. I think it’s going to be more traumatic for her to be allowed to skate and possibly stripped of her medal or not and be the scapegoat and target if so much anger and hurt feelings from everyone it has affected than her not being allowed to compete, coping with the pain and lesson of that and having a chance to redeem herself. What her team is doing now is hanging her out to dry and take the fall for their doping scheme. If she understands that, that’s really traumatizing and if she doesn’t and somehow believes that the world is out to get her and target her for no real reason that’s really traumatizing too. Every person that is supporting her being allowed to compete is knowingly or unknowingly actually supporting the most harmful outcome for her. The fact that her team, her coaches have gotten away with barely saying nothing (outside of Russia) let’s you know how much they care about protecting her. So she’s too young for a consequence but not too young to face this alone? How convenient. Shame on everyone involved in this mess.

@samelis6546

2 жыл бұрын

Edit after the games were over: THIS PERSON IS RIGHT. KAMILA SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO COMPETE FOR SURE. That was a traumatizing event for me after what happened to Sasha, Kamila, Anna and the Japanese girls, Kaori and Wakaba. I can't imagine how they feel. Sasha had an outburst for getting silver. Anna's gold win was not celebrated nor supported. Kamila had a bad program which some are saying intentional to allow others to medal or because she's actually broken by everything. The Japanese girls were underscored. The only good thing that happened was Kaori and Wakaba hugging to celebrate Kaori's win. I don't even know what to think, I feel so bad for Kamila, I think I can't watch any reruns nor performance for a while. I actually think Anna, Kaori and Sasha were worth gold for different reasons. It's unfortunate that it's come to this. If someone sabotaged Kamila or forced her to sabotage her performance, I hope they'll pay for it. The Olympics deserved to see Kamila's beautiful skating if she's innocent. This is new perspective, thanks for this. I actually thought it'd be better to let her skate but not get any medal to honour her hardwork in the name of sportmanship. But I see how that might not be good according to your reasoning.

@lupitaarroyo

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that! I really appreciate your comment. I really feel Kamila is being set up to take the fall as the scapegoat for the federation. If her team stepped up and took responsibility that would allow her to redeem herself but what they’re doing to her, I mean having her make a statement that she accidentally took her grandfathers medication when it has now been revealed that she had 3 substances in her system and doctors are commenting how ridiculous that is, is super cruel! They’re forcing this girl to cover up and lie with a ridiculous lie which will only fuel more anger towards her. It’s so sad and disturbing how this is being handled 🙁

@fxfxfxfx6895

2 жыл бұрын

I understand your viewpoint, but I don’t agree. Not allowing Kamila to skate would have been much more traumatic for her. As it is, she will at least have the chance of returning to some kind of future in her home country. Even if they eventually strip her of the medal, there’s no denying the reality of what Kamila accomplished on Olympic ice and she will always have that memory (and all the KZread clips) for the rest of her life. I agree with you that the adults around her are reprehensible and should be investigated and punished/banned from the sport.

@atrotsiuk

2 жыл бұрын

@@fxfxfxfx6895 ok, she will have the memory forever of competing at the olympics, but we don’t know after all of this is over, this will be good or bad. Some people will praise her, some will hate her (blaming her for all of this, sounds crazy but some people are stupid). Regardless will be a stain that will never disappear. I think the risk is too high health mentally speaking.

@ariannepine3157

2 жыл бұрын

This this this! I'm not a therapist but someone who's been in therapy for a while and I've been thinking the same for days. Yes, she has a dream of skating at the Olympics (but she already HAS! All the memories, all the glory - she was marvelously at the Team event) but her health, especially the mental one, should come FIRST, before ANY dream. If it were me, I would have her fly home to her parents (hoping they would be supportive and helpful but I am rather suspicious of ANY parent whose child trains with ET) Having her train under ALL those cameras, PERFORM under even more scrutiny is simply way too much. No dream, no medal, no title is worth one's health, especially not a teenager's.

Kamila just placed 4th and honestly it just breaks my heart, she looked like she was struggling the entire time she was on the ice for her free skate program. It was like at any moment, she was going to have a breakdown. Whatever hell they put this kid under in the past couple of day behind the scenes, she doesn't deserve it.

@Adversital

2 жыл бұрын

I really believe she struggle on purpose, i think she prefer to deal with Eteri critiques than make harder to Shcherbakova and Trusova to get the medals

@maccadokka7955

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, whether the struggle was genuine or she was told to purposely throw the competition, it's difficult to look at the face she had during her performance and deny that she was definitely dealing emotional strains that she should not be dealing with at her age. Her throwing her hands at the end of the performance was a pure glimpse, not into her persona as a professional athlete, but as a simple kid struggling because of the bad decisions the adults in her life have made on her behalf, whether she was aware of them or not.

@Se7nDust

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adversital she already did a 7 hour hearing before this skate...so her psyche undeniably identified no medals ceremony for her team mates and 50+ hours of hearings before she could keep any medal was the worse option. Eteri getting booted from int comp asap at least

I agree that she should be protected now as a 15 y/o (especially with what we know of the tutberidze team environment), but going forward i definitely think ISU/IOC should increase the age limit. Doing so will discourage not just doping of minors, but general abuse/maltreatment/manipulation/etc that minors are subjected to when they are surrounded by greedy adults. It's better for their overall welfare both physical and mental/emotional

@JessieBanana

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think this is protecting her now. Her age should come into consideration in regards to how long she is banned from competitive skating, but an athlete who has been caught doping shouldn't be allowed to compete against clean athletes, period.

@MPlain

2 жыл бұрын

There have been athletes at the games younger then this. It's very rare that it is any other nation other then Russia which is involved in this sort of thing. Just facts... not a bias. This is a difficult situation. The athlete is probably unaware of the drugs. Yet. rules are rules and they should not be broken....ever. Athletes have had medals taken away from them for taking cold medication for fk sakes. I believe it was the Romanian gymnast in Australia if i recall that had that happen to her. You want unfair... that's unfair. Now if the committee came forward with an explanation..... that offered up something like this as a reason for a test in december failing.... ok. then before she awarded a medal she should pass a test now. simple solution. You are clean right now. If not. Zippo.

@fxfxfxfx6895

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, investigate and punish the adults around Kamila (coach, team “doctor”), but don’t take out your frustrations on a 15-year-old girl - we all knew the current system was a problem. Demand the changes necessary for the FUTURE of figure skating - age limit of 17 for all individual senior competitions worldwide.

@duncanrobertson6472

2 жыл бұрын

How is allowing her to compete protecting her? Being sidelined isn't traumatic. Skating in front of the world very well could be.

@chlngyn2300

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with you. When teenagers won, they get award like others senior ladies. So it is fair that they would get critized like the adults. If the adults want to protect these girls then they should not allow teenagers to compete in senior events.

For me, her performance was hard to watch. A lot of people were saying she’s a fighter and what she did yesterday in her SP was heroic but I didn’t see a fighter. I saw an exhausted child struggling to perform on ice and I’m saying this because I’ve seen her at other competitions and she’s never looked shaken up and vulnerable the way that she did at the Olympics. I think letting her compete is unfair for her as well as the other athletes. I agree with you 100% when you said ‘you’re supposed to protect the person not the athlete’. I know we all love a champion especially one that fights and overcomes obstacles but the idea of sacrificing a child to get one is disgusting to me.

I never clicked on something so fast this 2022

@reginagorelik1219

2 жыл бұрын

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

@glaznflip1501

2 жыл бұрын

Lol me too

I still have mixed feelings over this. I feel bad for Kamila Valieva but it doesn't feel right. When I told my brother, who is not interested in figure skating or Olympics, about the doping scandal, he flatly told me that if the athlete tested positive then she shouldn't be allowed to compete anymore.

@dimitriostsirigkas3285

2 жыл бұрын

Well, if your brother said so...

@rvsone1629

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, nothing to feel mixed about here. She shouldn't be there, period. At this point, the only feeling I have for her is pity, sympathy is a stretch. Even if she didn't know that she's doped and couldn't give her consent, she still lied to the IOC, WADA and CAS. And went along with dragging her grandpa into it. Even at 15, that should be your breaking point.

@drsalka

2 жыл бұрын

@@rvsone1629 and what if she wasn't lying and the grandpa medicine/story is true? doesn't that meant that this media lynch is even more scandalous if she really is innocent?

@Nubrainvestor

2 жыл бұрын

She wasn’t tested positive at olympic sample. It’s old sample of 2021. During Russian national. So, point is Russian agency themselves put out about kamila. So, it’s like may be she took those during practice .

@user-hr7kd6hl2h

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nubrainvestor banned medicines are banned for a reason... even if she took it only during practices, its still unfair for clean athletes.

the thing is, kamila will feel the repercussions of this for the rest of her career whether she wins or not. the ones actually responsible : team tutberidze and roc will get away with it. it may say that they are doing this for a protected person / minor but the only person this is protecting is roc and tutberidze herself. kamila valieva and to some extent the individual skaters coached by tutberidze will bear the brunt of the blame. edit: what i mean by repercussions is that this doping scandal will forever be attached to her name, perhaps not in russia and fans of the sport will know that even without the drugs she is incredibly talented and fully capable of doing a full program with artistry and athleticism but to the casual audience kamila will be known as 'the doping girl'

@vicserra2485

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think will be repercusions, She is already a hero in Russia and prob gonna win many tiles in her career 2-3 years. For sure no with the judges as we can see. About other countries, who gives af about other places thinks when you are a superstar in your country. And she will be love by many in other countries too, im from Mexico and in general, fans here still supporting her a lot

@alyonasinetskaya2210

2 жыл бұрын

True figure skating fans will remember her as the greatest figure skater in history. And for those rats who judge an athlete who was not even allowed to defend himself in court, a special place in hell has been prepared .

@Maria-dj6lm

2 жыл бұрын

please see my comment above,, but also the media washes events together with the past. While russia might have been evil in the past, i dont think the trainers are retarded. The no 1 side effect of the drug in question is DIZZINESS. so even if it enhances oxygenation of the body, you dont give it to someone who needs to land a quad. soyes it is a bad substance, IFF proven guilty, but i am glad she got a due process. btw, according to the CAS lawyers, the IOC is abusing her, they were supposed to start the investigation without naming the individual. so valieva's rights have been violated, irreparably. The same laws protect amercan and other athletes, when the suspicion of doping emerges. It has not proven yet with due process, period. but i guess everyone just believes what they want to believe, guilty as charged.

@zozaazz8044

2 жыл бұрын

I hope they forbid Eteri to go to USA - that would kill her inside!!!

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

@@alyonasinetskaya2210 she was doping though?

She should be protected, as in she is allowed to compete at the next Olympics with a CLEAN blood result, but she absolutely should not be allowed to compete this time because it is textbook cheating. they're allowing because she's 15? If they don't raise the age to 16, so that "protection" is no longer an option, I bet that other countries may just dope their athletes because there is clearly no penalty. They needed to make a statement with kamila, but they just showed that doping is okay if you aren't 16 yet

@user-gf3wn1ne9n

2 жыл бұрын

She probably won't make it to the next Olympics. Her coach is abusive and the girls she's trained tend to retire early due to injuries or eating disorders and being unable to keep up with the next set of girls graduating out of juniors. None of them have made it to two Olympics; some haven't even made it to one.

@user-tn7zh9rx3j

2 жыл бұрын

She probably wont get to the next Olympics

As a Russian myself, I am so confused and torn apart right now... I mean I am rooting so much for Kamila and other girls (not so much because I'm Russian, but because I'm just very invested in their careers and very much fascinated by their phenomenal skating). However, there's clearly a lot of things wrong with Eteri's coaching system and with the Russian sports system as a whole (and apparently with the Olympic system as well, given their decision). It's also interesting how much the attitude differs in Russian and other countries' narratives. In Russia literally everyone admires Eteri, all the Russian comments under the videos of the girls skating praise her and give her the greatest accolades. Yes, the results she and her team achieve are mind-blowing, but everytime I read those comments I'm so scared that everyone turns a blind eye to the toxic environment she's producing

@elizabethburrell4756

2 жыл бұрын

I think it is the long time hunger in Russia for a golden female skater. Especially, an elegant one. I have watched skating since 1976 and Russia has at times dominated every skating discipline but the premier discipline- women's skating. I am American and I loved Medeveea's musical and emotional skating.

@alyssalord7125

2 жыл бұрын

Why are rooting for Kamila? She was doping. She was cheating. Wether she knew it or not. What about the other skaters who were clean and are now robbed of a potential Olympic medal? It is possible to recognize Kamila has been in an abusive system and have sympathy for her but also realize she absolutely should not be skating. Any medal she wins is tainted by cheating. She doesn’t deserve it. And when her body fails next year because she grows and no longer is of any use to Eteri … the rest of us will say we told you so.

@polka_3194

2 жыл бұрын

@@alyssalord7125 I meant that I am rooting for her as a talented skater, not to win necessarily. Not the best choice of words perhaps, but I'm still hoping she's going to be okay and would be able to use her talent and her abilities without any doping

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

But how come Russians can't see through the charade like you can? They have brains, what happened to those?

@polka_3194

2 жыл бұрын

@@anayarey I guess it's due to the overall propaganda. There are a lot of people who believe everything the TV says, and, since all the main TV channels in Russia are pro-government and sport is also political, those people believe in what is convenient for the government to spread. And also, as for Eteri's coaching style, it's unfortunately pretty common among the Russian people to prioritize hard work over mental health and think that those who show tiredness/emotional struggle should just "pull themselves together" and get over their feelings. I don't know if it has something to do with the case, but I feel like it does somehow. These aspects of mentality here are very different from what I see in the West

Her situation reminds me both of Lipnitskaya and Sotnikova. Time will tell if she can still perform in full calibre as she is doing now or eventually she will give up under pressure. Public‘s opinion is a dangerous double blade. They all turned their back on Lipnitskaya, even the Russians, after she went through puberty, developed an adult body and was unable to skate well. Having irreparable injuries is another matter, like Medvedeva. Whichever way you look at it, Kamila‘s future is doomed under Tutberidze‘s tutelage. As history has proven, that coach and her team will suck the life out of prepubescent children and throw them away after they‘ve outlived their usefulness. Predictable and tragic

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

Although Zagitova and Medvedeva are still celebrated. But it's questionable if they're living their best lives (Zenia does I believe). I wonder how they're health has been impacted by all the drugs they've been given.

@valmacclinchy

2 жыл бұрын

Yulia's story of anorexia is absolutely horrible. They destroyed that girl. Fortunately she seems healthy now and has a child.

@elye0987

2 жыл бұрын

"gained weight"? I think you mean grew an adult body. But yes very sad she was discarded so easily as was med the second she put her career above nationalism.

@elye0987

2 жыл бұрын

No she "gained weight" by developing an adult body. I know what op said, I am saying the way they framed it is damaging. No girl growing into her adult body should be described as gaining weight. It's not how you would describe a boy growing into a man, and it should not be how we talk about a girl growing into a woman

@liddlealice431

2 жыл бұрын

Lipniskaya's case was really,really sad. Thankfully she has a baby now and appears to be really happy. I follow her on insta and am really happy she's doing so great. Alina is one,if not,one of the top earning athletes in Russia I think, she's really popular with advertisers, finished high school and appears to be ok. Considering the amount of hate she got back in 2018 I'm happy to see how gracefully she handled everything and that she didn't disappear like other of the Tutberidze girls. Evgenia is doing fine too. I love all these girls and wish them the best.

This oddly has the same feel as Adelina Sotnikova in Sochi. While yes, Adelina benefitted from the corruption, but the higher-ups who made her win never took as much flak. All the comparison videos, comments, and critiques always had Adelina's face in it. Not the Russian judges. It's always Kamila's face in every tabloid and news site. It's Kamila and the other Eteri girls' name getting lambasted on Twitter. I hate this.

@ChavaAyanna

2 жыл бұрын

Even to this day, Sotnikova KNOWS she didn't win. You know she thinks about it at night before she goes to sleep. she KNOWS the Gold Medal was given to her. What's more bizarre? Her own country of Russia didn't even WANT her . They WANTED Lipnitskaia. When Lipnitskaia crashed and burned during the individual ladies event, the Russians had to scrap her and go with their "Alternate Show Pony " of Sotnikova. Russia had NO confidence in Sotnikova that, they didn't even choose her or WANT her to skate in the Team Event 2014 . One of these days, as always happens, she'll slip up & tell the truth about what the situation truly is

@yourworstnightmare9190

2 жыл бұрын

same ;[[

@chlngyn2300

2 жыл бұрын

I actually feel bad for Sotnikova. Look at Zagitova & Medeaveva, they have tons of projects related to Russia and the Olympics as a commentor, representer,.. No one choose Sotnikova. Ofc there are no way olympics pyeongchang would choose her, but even Russia and their own events? I know that Russian didn't hate her as much as other countries, but they also don't care about her.

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChavaAyanna does she know? She posed with her medal on Instagram the other day

@cyrra8865

2 жыл бұрын

@@anayarey Nah, I think she gave an interview back then saying she won the gold because she skated better than Yuna LOL. So yeah, I think she does genuinely believe it's her rightful medal.

I feel so bad about how this whole thing has played out. No matter what happens on Thursday, I feel like the results are going to be tainted

@bobababy6089

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@maz1319

2 жыл бұрын

They are very clearly tainted already. They underscored Wakaba's triple axel to make sure she would place under Alexandra Trusova. If you compare the scores from the team event and the individual event, you can see Wakaba scored LESS after she landed the triple axel, which is crazy

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

If it's gonna be Russia 1 2 3, what's even the point anymore? They're all been nobody, just not everybody got caught. And then take the inflated scores into consideration.

While kamila is at the center of all this, can we just talk about an equally important form of harm being done to to other non ROC and most importantly, clean, athletes? It must be so frustrating to see entire moral codes and rules and judging scores being bent for a girl based on the federation behind her. Kaori, Wakaba and Young being lowballed to keep russians on the podium is so discouraging and unfair. These athletes have also sacrificed their bodies to strive towards goals that are ultimately futule because of corruption and blatant, undeserved favoritism for the russians. Even if kamila ends up winning gold and being stripped of her medal, the olympics is almsot all about spectacle, and since kamila is performing, it will be all anyone remembers, rather than the specifics of who placed what after the fact.

@GrippiAlex

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. I love Wakaba but no matter who takes the medals there will be no ceremony if Kamila places.Imagine going out with perhaps your only Olympic chance and knowing that in advance. Terrible🇦🇺🇷🇺⛸

@fuckurbody

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. Kamila would be performing, winning and having her Olympic moment. Taking it away in a few months down the line wouldn’t change her Olympic moment. One thing everyone doesnt talk about tho : Kamila has been tested prior & during this game and she IS clean AT THE MOMENT. she was not clean dec 25th 2021, her russian natl title should be returned. But she is clean now so she should be allowed to complete for now or until future judgement. I really dont know what to think. Sports should be clean, she is clean now, but she wasnt. So…… Anyway lets see what happens tmrw, ice is slippery…… this whole thing is def effecting her skating, as the short program she did yesterday was 8 full points lower than her team competition performance from last week which was almpst flawless

@bethanymclean2136

2 жыл бұрын

@@fuckurbody The issue is that the drug she tested positive for is meant to help with the training, to increase endurance so you can do more run throughs and have the difficulty and consistency that the Eteri girls are known for. The fact that she's 'clean' now means nothing because she already benefited from the drug in her lead up to the Olympics. I think no matter what happens though the judges will give her that gold medal. Yes her score was lower than the team competition, but it was still 9+ points higher than Wakaba who had a clean performance with a 3A.

@AmaraEmme

2 жыл бұрын

This is how I felt watching ice dance after 2012

@user-gf3wn1ne9n

2 жыл бұрын

​@@fuckurbody Valieva being clean now doesn't matter. If you return her national title, then she would not have qualified to compete in the Olympics. Russia chose the top three girls at nationals to send to Europeans and then named them to the Olympic team.

The question is simple: Do we want clean sport or not? If we want clean sport, then she shouldn’t compete, whether she is 15, 10, or 99 years old, it’s irrelevant to this particular question!

@user-zl7hf2is1g

2 жыл бұрын

How will a pre-trial conviction help the sport be clean? Careful analysis and changing the rules, that's what should help. When Christ was crucified, the crowd shouted after him that he was a criminal. How's Kevin Spacey doing? Is his life ruined? I congratulate you. Be prepared for the fact that you personally will also be judged in the same way as you judge others.

Just finished watching Icarus on Netflix . Kamila and other children are no doubt victims of this vicious cycle straining for medals 🏅 Its never going to end, not if their government still denies any involvement and responsibility.

@andrewsturgess7072

2 жыл бұрын

A fish rots from the head down.....

@andrewsturgess7072

2 жыл бұрын

BTW Everyone should watch Icarus to see how easy it is to game the system. Lance Armstrong was probably the most tested man in cycling yet he never got caught by a positive test, although there are rumors about the validity of that.

PLEASE DO A VIDEO NOW ABOUT TRUSOVAS AND VALIEVAS MELTDOWN

we can all agree that Kamila is the victim of an abusive coaching team while also agreeing that she has no place in that competition. The damage has been done to Kamila - and probably to her heart as well. How can you allow a skater to compete after doping and not only that but also overscore her? What about the irrepareble damage done to other athletes who have to skate knowing all this? The same girls who have been breaking the bodies to "catch up" with the russian girls only to break their bodies? What about the physical and mental damage done to them? In truth non of the Eteri girls should be competing. You mean all three are under under the same coach but only one was ever doped? Dont joke. Yet here they are. If somehow Kamila cant skate clean in her free then probably they will put Anna there (and I am now side eyeing her ability to "pull through" when it mattered the most all the time) anyway, Kaori Waka Young top three

@sarahmcdonough7713

2 жыл бұрын

i think i need to start changing all my display names across the internet to your first sentence lmao. because while i have found plenty of reasonable people that agree and understand where i, and virtually all skating fans, are coming from, ive also come across (or rather they came across me, bc theyre leaving replies on my posts or comments) so many people that think me saying kamila is probably unaware of or uninvolved in being doped means that i want her to compete like normal and win gold and pretend none of this happened. or they think me saying that she should not be allowed to compete means i want her banned for life and that she, a 15 year old girl, personally sought out and acquired illegal drugs for her first olympics lmao. like no, i think she is a victim and her skating club are to blame, but that doesnt mean she can compete with the advantage thats been given to her that none of her competitors have. god i just wish more non skating fans would read and internalise comments like yours so they can understand that theres some goddamn nuance to the situation. but ive seen so much where the only two opinions (again, almost always by people that dont really understand the situation) are "she is a perfectly innocent angel that can never face a single consequence" or "she is an evil russian demon that needs to be sued and banned from the sport" (or the bonus russian take, "kamila is the best figure skater of all time and did not test positive for drugs and the world is out to get us") and the overscoring is what makes this all so bogus. why the hell does kamila need performance enhancers when she could go out there and do a somersault on the ice and the judges would give her three new WRs???? when have her scores EVER underperformed? literally had she never been doped, she would have handily won these olympics all on her own because eteri has the judges in her pocket. we've seen over and over that she can fall and slip and pre- and underrotate and still get sky high components. so why bother with all this and make it even clearer to the non-eteri girls that they are just not playing on a level field? its like it was just an extra twist of the knife for the fun of it. its insane. eteri is literally such a cartoonish villain that it would be hilarious if it wasnt hurting children. i also doubt that any of eteris students have always been clean and i just dont believe the scores in front of us anyway, so as far as im concerned wakaba, kaori, and young are my medalists as well.

This poor child has to be the most UNPROTECTED PROTECTED athlete I’ve ever seen.. That witch will go on unharmed while Kamila’s career, endorsement potential etc will take a major hit and will drag her down in the future even though in this all she was the VICTIM....So sad

@ree3762

2 жыл бұрын

Right I feel so bad for her eteri needs to be banned from coaching and thrown in prison

We Need THE Update

I think i've been checking your page every other hour to see if you've posted about what happened yesterday. My soul will need it to start healing.

I really liked your take that if she can’t be held accountable because she is 15. She shouldn’t be allowed to even go to the Olympics at 15.

Very well said top to bottom. It's the systemic regime that needs to be held accountable and punished. Valieva (and her grandfather) is just 1 of that regime's many soldiers / victims, she had no choice but to follow suit if she wanted to be a competitive skater. I think WADA needs to remove the "protected person" provision to level the playing field including consequences. I think that if you are old enough to qualify for the Olympics, then you are old enough to be subject to the same rules and consequences. Another person I feel awful about? Vincent Zhao. Poor guy was near tears and he was SO proud of the silver medal - that was like the one bright spot in all of this for him and even that is taken away from him.

I think all of this has made me want to emotionally unsubscribe from the world of ladies figure skating. Heartbroken for Kamila, heartbroken for all the clean skaters that have poured blood, sweat and tears into this sport and their careers only to be slapped in the face with all of this injustice. Shame on Eteri and her team, all the other coaches systematically abusing children, and the legal systems that allow for this to happen and even encourage it.

@nataliejarosz9360

2 жыл бұрын

Learning about what goes on in modern women's (rather, girls') figure skating has ruined the sport for me. At least, until there are major reforms. My heart goes out to all who have been harmed by the system that's found in much of figure skating.

I can’t wait to hear your reaction to the tragedy that unfolded.

I hate it that they are making the olympics a joke its been trashier than sochi Also: if kamilla or the adults wont take responsibility or didn't know she shouldn't be skating at all. Its a slap in the face to the other girls that are CLEAN!!!!

@bobababy6089

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i really didnt expect that anything could top that fiasco in sochi but damn russia outdid themselves

@purintaufufa

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobababy6089 another world record for the books lmao

@OlaLidia

2 жыл бұрын

she is clean. she took tests at europe championships and olympics several times!!!! and she should be able to compete if they didnt do it the right way first of all in january.

@ashleyleonard8148

2 жыл бұрын

@@OlaLidia girl. Heart meds do not just magically show up...

I think she should be DQ, but what irks me the most is delay in sample testing. It should be tested immidiately, covid or no covid. She was already a big favourite for Euros and Olys, that sample was a priority. If there's really a 20 days time for the testing, she should be DQ from RusNats and maybe Euros, but after that time it was like an implicit permission to skate. What next, they will void skaters whole season because of some testing delay? Should skaters miss the comps because their sample is still in testing? So for me it would be most "fair" to not let Kamila skate during women event (because of test) but not void ROC medals in team (because by delaying the sample WADA allowed her to skate as a representative, and if the result were timely, she would be properly replaced. And her Olys results were clean).

@ddjr6673

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly, from what we have read, the samples were not marked as a "priority", if they were, then they would have come back quicker.

@ilyaorlovskiy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddjr6673 RUSADA statement: "The athlete's sample, taken on December 25, 2021, was delivered to the laboratory in time sufficient to perform the analysis within the standard time frame. After the expiration of the international standard, the laboratory informed the agency of delays in testing and reporting by the laboratory due to another wave of COVID-19, an increase in the incidence among laboratory staff and quarantine rules. At the same time, in its messages, the laboratory indicated the deadlines for the availability of the analysis results, allowing to receive information from the laboratory until the end of January 2022, that is, before the start of the Olympic Games in Beijing. Also, in January, the laboratory informed that the analysis would be performed as a priority, however, an adverse analysis report was submitted on February 7, 2022".

@simplebloom

2 жыл бұрын

@@ddjr6673 but what "second wave of COVID" was in January in Sweden...Everywhere Omicron numbers are down and restrictions are being lifted

@ifo7319

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s odd that the tests were only released halfway through the Olympics. It really should be a priority so as to not have something like this happen to get them through, especially athletes who are favoured to medal.

@ddjr6673

2 жыл бұрын

@@ilyaorlovskiy The "RUSADA" statement reveals more than they think. The key words are "standard time frame". We are not in a standard time frame. We are in a time of COVID, exceptional times. If you want results back quickly, you mark as a priority. They know that, unless they did not want the results back quickly. IF they had come back quicker, then Kamila almost certainly would not have been permitted to go to the Olympics. If I were the Russian Fed I would have wanted her to go at all costs, she is the surest bet for an individual Figure Skating Gold (no Gold in Men's, No Gold in Ice Dance, and possibly the Chinese will get Gold in Pairs). With Anna and Sasha's unreliable quads, no one (not even the Empress, who I love and would have replaced Kamila) was a guarantee of a Gold like Kamila. Also noted is what they do not allege, They are not saying the test is a false positive, they are not saying it has been tampered with, they are not casting doubt on the methods of testing. I read they are saying it is her grandfather's medication and she sipped from his glass? Really, that is the worst excuse I have heard for a coated time delayed tablet?! And I love Russian skating, the history, the artistry... there is so much to love about my Russian friends, brothers and sisters. But this is not right. A friend tells another friend when they are doing something wrong. And this seems very very wrong.

The drama has gone too far now. I just wish all the girls to be healthy both mentally and physically.

If they're giving these drugs to their youngest and most talented girl, there is no doubt they are giving them to their older, more physically tired skaters. I loved the girls and did truly believe in their talent, but a Russian dominated Olympic podium under the current conditions is robbing other hardworking girls of opportunity.

@janias.c.145

2 жыл бұрын

Are you just insane?? They were clean before the Olimpics and after! Other girls are clean and more than talented! Why you’re starting talking about other Russian girls?? The substance they found in the blood of Kamila was a microdose.

@stopstalkingme8058

2 жыл бұрын

@@janias.c.145 you’re the one who sounds insane lol

@tiffanny709

2 жыл бұрын

@@janias.c.145 thats delusional. TMZ is a drug where you would have to consume a decent amount in order for it to be picked up by a drug test. in addition, it also is expelled from the body fairly quickly, making loopholes possible and allowing them to test clean. would not put it past team tut to take advantage of it seeing as their team doctor is an anesthesiologist

@TheReneex

2 жыл бұрын

I am not fully convinced that she wasn’t offered this “medication” prior to December. If you look back at this past season prior to the Olympics, Valieva was consistently beating every competitor and smashing her own records. While every one of Eteri’s top tier skaters. Including Scherbakova, Trusova, Kostornsya, & Usacheva all suffered major injuries! Something is very bizarre as to why Valieva did not undergo any injuries!

@zozaazz8044

2 жыл бұрын

@@janias.c.145 flushed clean possibly , there are drugs for that as well, laxatives to clean the system

My heart broke for Kamila, joyed for kaori, was shook for trusovas reaction, and was happy for anna for her gold. But god dammit, the emotions were too much for me💀💀😞

I don’t get it, I know she is a child and tremendously talented and the doping was probably done by her trainer team that’s clear as the sky. BUT she tested positive and she can skate, to me that’s just unbelievable. Every other country would have been penalized on the spot and therefore she should be too minor or not. (I know my opinion is harsh but that’s just how the system TECHNICALLY works if you cheat you get disqualified cause if not the competition is unfair)

@ashleyleonard8148

2 жыл бұрын

Plus, heart drugs are not safe to use without heart issues. So, that's also a problem. She should've been pulled already.

@FallenAngelBrass

2 жыл бұрын

Your opinion isn't harsh, it's the rule! Every competitor knows that if they test positive, they are OUT.

Ashleys statement of "you should know what you take" is sadly deeply American. If anyone in the west thinks that in Russia you can actually say "No thanks, won't do that" then here is me bursting your bubble - you can't. The mentality is different, deeply different, and the notion of trusting your coach is so ingrained into this that doubting them would be seen as not being grateful. It is a state wide system and you as a child do not have the voice to go "nah, I will not". Mind you I am not endorsing this or agreeing, simply am fully aware of how this goes down and how little Kamila has had a say in this or well no say. You do as Eteri says. She tells you to jump and the only question you may ask is how high? I like what the Estonian girls coach said, yes I am shocked myself, but she stated that if there is a drug that makes you do quads then she herself would take it. One thing we miss in this narrative is that Kamila is a very talented girl, flexible and able to mastered the quad, who did not have a say in any of this. Kamilas international career is over, so much is clear. I already see people referring to her as "the doping girl". Everything she can do will forever be buried under this. Not to mention what the other athletes must feel? They do so much, risk their health to catch up and now they were told "cute, but nothing you do matters". That is the deep harm truly done since what is the motivation now to stay clean, skate clean, know your technique and artistry? Nothing.

@user-bq7ls4pk1g

2 жыл бұрын

You encapsulated the idea so clearly! Sadly, no choice, only being a puppet

@lilliehalumi8770

2 жыл бұрын

There have been other skaters who can do what she does without drugs. She will be forever remembered as using drugs to enhance her skating. It's not fair to the other skaters. Russia should be banned it that's how things are done in that country.

@schwarzroterose

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilliehalumi8770 Not arguing against said standpoint for a minute. We yesterday saw several girls, who can do what she does and do it clean and at the same time watch ISU judges make a foolery out of it.

@youdeserveicecream

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilliehalumi8770 no one does like she does it though

@lexiusugrymius9392

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilliehalumi8770 her guity wasn't proven. Wada failed in this situation, information was published too late.

I actually lost my mind after today’s absolute riot of a free skate can’t wait to see your reactions

I came around this video by accident, then binge-watched your entire channel, and now I cant wait for the next video!

The 2022 Winter Olympics have been the saddest thing that I have ever watched

Where’s the new videooooooo I need your opinion 😔😭

I think it is inevitable that her medal(s) will be stripped eventually. Which causes more harm: not allowing her to compete, or taking the medals from her afterward?

@Bulhbluhbuy

2 жыл бұрын

Thats a good question. Some people seem to be of the opinion that letting her skate with the knowledge that she basically isn’t medal eligible is okay. But imagine you are one of the clean skaters who are competing, how demoralizing must it be to not be 100% sure that a skater who isn’t clean will not be ranked/medaled? People are focusing a lot on Kamila but what about all of the other skaters?

It's interesting how Eteri and ROC didn't deny the fact the test was positive only how it was consumed 🤔 Also to have 3 heart medications in her system is insane. I feel as though the only reason Sasha and Anna tested negative bc they properly flushed it out of their system. No way Eteri was only giving Kamilla the drugs.

@xylypotatohead3947

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think so too, she got caught but the others took it too

@ewatokarz577

2 жыл бұрын

@@xylypotatohead3947 you don't know it. That would be weird to detect all 3 substances in one athlete and none of them in the other ones. It's not a secret that Kamila was Eteris favourite. Not long ago people were talking about Aliona going to the Olympics instead of Anna. Sasha was switching coaches and doctors so it's not so easy to say that all of the girls used doping

@kathleenwindsor5679

2 жыл бұрын

@@ewatokarz577 I think it’s pretty easy to say they were old opening. The Russians are still being penalized for the 2014 state on doping program that they were facilitating. Everybody loses in the situation. Really such a shame. Because Camilla by Ava is an amazing skater. She probably would’ve won without the drugs but we will never know.

@claudb7109

2 жыл бұрын

@@kathleenwindsor5679 if your argument is just based on "they are russian" thats a really really discriminatory thing to say and think. If an athlete is tested negative- the athlete is negative no matter their nationality

@ewatokarz577

2 жыл бұрын

@@kathleenwindsor5679 maybe. But in order to win she needs to be consistent. Otherwise she will loose to Anna. Maybe that's the reason of doping? More stamina = more training hours = more consistency?

Im praying for her mental health, stay strong kamila ❤️

Hi Paola!! Can you please talk about how underscored Higuchi Wakaba's triple axel was? I compared scores, and Wakaba achieved 74.73 in the Team Event with her short program, no triple axel. In the individual event, with a triple axel, clean program, she only scored 73.51. Both programs were clean, and a triple axel is worth 8 POINTS, so she should have been placed well above Alexandra Trusova. Also, there's a thread on Reddit talking about Young You's attempt on a triple axel. You Young's landed a triple axel attempt and scored 2.5, but Kamila, who also slipped, scored 5.5.

@andreialamaia

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! ROC overscored and the rest were underscored. And for Eteri, she is like the old soviets coaches, their goal is to win under the age of 18-20, because the girl will be “old”

@user-te7fs4nm2r

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Young You’s triple axel was called a down grade and therefore only given a double axel credit and therefore got a deduction for downgrade. Kamila got 5.5 for a triple axel with a step out

@T--wk9oe

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreialamaia lol. 5 quads of Trusova. Definitely "overscored". It seems that you have some mental troubles

@lwinaye4617

2 жыл бұрын

That judging bias is another issue. Better fire all of them.

@maz1319

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-te7fs4nm2r I'm aware! but re-watching the video I see no difference between these two attempts that would justify a 3 points difference. this is just my opinion though.

Eteri and Coaching staff are responsible and should be penalized. They are guilty of abuse

@Sundletan

2 жыл бұрын

They're trying really hard to wriggle themselves alway from this story atm. Their legal team is trying to explain this sample result by a visit to Valieva's grandpa who somehow would have transferred his prescription drugs to the girl's system. 🤣

@anayarey

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sundletan I think they made Kamila say that and it's like they're making a fool of her because of how ridiculous it sounds. Yet, there are people saying "oh maybe she has drunken from his cup, idk 🤷‍♀️" lol

Also can we talk about how ROC is getting a pass for a Doping Incident after the incident in 2014...which is the whole reason russia can't actually compete under the russian flag?

Praying for Sasha to win the gold medal

@mht4908

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty unlikely unless the top 3 all falter, if Kamila does end up getting disqualified, Anna will be the likely gold medalist

@robertridley9279

2 жыл бұрын

The thing with that is that the other 2 Russian girls are probably taking the same stuff, they just weren't caught.

@stopstalkingme8058

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertridley9279 exactly

@purintaufufa

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, I'm rooting for Sasha just because I've been emotionally invested in her story since her junior debut. So yeah, I really wish that she'll go home with a gold medal with her. She deserves it ❤️

@itsmekailag1179

2 жыл бұрын

It's sad that sasha thinks after the fall in 3a she will not going to take the gold. She said in the interview if she landed the 3a she has a chance to get the gold but she fall... so I am wisihing for her to have a clean skate tomorrow.

PAOLA HURRY UP WE NEED NEW VIDEO, OMG THIS OLYMPICS... THIS HAS STRUCK ME HARD :S

i just wanna give her a hug

I feel this double standard for underage people will only encourage teams to use underage people to skirt by regulations . If you want to protect underage athletes than focus on how they are trained and how they are treated in these teams.

@kathleenwindsor5679

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right

@chlngyn2300

2 жыл бұрын

For me, underage ppl should not be compete. It would not fair for teenagers to be treated so hard, but also not fair for others adults if they were treated different.

manifesting sasha 5 clean quads 🚀🚀🚀❤️‍🔥

If you’re too young to deal with the consequences you are too young to compete… period.

And now what they’re gonna say is “See? She didn’t even win, now you don’t have anything to get mad about since it’s all fair”. They not only failed to protect Kamila, they failed to protect all the athletes and the sport itself.

Very interesting video commentary - especially in light of what happened in the finals and the fallout from that. Thanks for posting this!

I don't blame the lab for a second. RUSADA failed to mark her test as priority as they were supposed to do for anyone who was going to the olympics causing the delay they themselves are using as a defence. This isn't even the only sketchy Russian test result of the games. Canada is not important in figure skating but we're stupid important in Women's Hockey- and when we threatened to pull out of the game against the ROC because they couldn't provide clean covid tests the IOC delayed the game for an hour (unheard of at the olympics) and had everyone agree to play the entire game in KN95 masks - until maraciously the ROC got their clean covid test back just before the third period so they could play without masks (which Canada wisely did not)... only to discover after the game that amazingly one player had test positive for covid (making it 8 players) and they just hadn't noticed until after the game. It's amazing how frequently the ROC only discovers results after events.

@ilyaorlovskiy

2 жыл бұрын

RUSADA statement: "The athlete's sample, taken on December 25, 2021, was delivered to the laboratory in time sufficient to perform the analysis within the standard time frame. After the expiration of the international standard, the laboratory informed the agency of delays in testing and reporting by the laboratory due to another wave of COVID-19, an increase in the incidence among laboratory staff and quarantine rules. At the same time, in its messages, the laboratory indicated the deadlines for the availability of the analysis results, allowing to receive information from the laboratory until the end of January 2022, that is, before the start of the Olympic Games in Beijing. Also, in January, the laboratory informed that the analysis would be performed as a priority, however, an adverse analysis report was submitted on February 7, 2022".

I don't know how to feel, on one hand she is tremendously talented and on the hand it's a positive test. When she cried in training and after her SP I felt bad for her. She so young and it's alot for her to go through this.

@bobababy6089

2 жыл бұрын

She's old enough to compete in olympics. All athletes sworn to abide by the rules during the opening ceremony. So why would she be given a pass? A lot of figure skaters have tremendous body pains but choose to not take any pain killers because it might affect their drug testing. And now they are letting this girl skate??

@Bulhbluhbuy

2 жыл бұрын

@UCEAT0La13A2toIK_ghO-J9g while i feel bad for her, she should still be punished. Otherwise its basically setting the precedent that as long as an athlete is a minor then their coaches/parents/support team can give them meds and that will be okay as long as the athlete was not aware.

@xylypotatohead3947

2 жыл бұрын

Doped is doped these are the rules. I feel sorry for her but if she wasn't from Russia or China she would not compete no matter her age this is about politics and corruption and that's not right. Her doctors and coaches should be punished not her yes but she can't compete

I literally cannot wait for what you have to say after that final 💀🍿

have been waiting for this!! thank you my love ❤️

I would not be shocked if Eteri forced Kamila to throw the final skate so there would be medal ceremonies. I would put nothing past her. Also, How does anyone question why Kamila took the substance..She is a 15 year old CHILD that is on the ice from before the sun comes up until after it sets. Is she supposed to ask her ADULT trainers and handlers (that she sadly trusted) or google every single name of what makes up her “Supplements”.. She’s not at fault, Those that seek to profit off of her at any cost should be punished 100%..

can't wait for the next video 🤭

The test took so long to come back because RUSSIA slow walked the sample! They didn’t let the lab know it was an athletes sample that would likely be at the Olympics! So that shouldn’t be an argument, Russia was hoping the results wouldn’t come back till AFTER the Olympics.

@vd9110

2 жыл бұрын

then Kamila's medal will still be taken away right ? Russia was hoping for sth that will harm their talent and their medal in team event ? i dont think so

@drhowandameypond

2 жыл бұрын

@@vd9110 I doubt her medal would have been taken away if the sample was tested after the Olympics. Russia would probably have been able to sweep the whole thing under the rug. Because she's a protected person, WADA and the IOC would not have been able to release any information about the case or even her name and probably would have decided it would cause her 'irreparable harm' to take the medals away. We probably would have never known. We only found out because someone at that lap probably saw her name in the media after the team event and figured out the sample should have been marked priority and because it came out at the Olympics, the IOC had to react and the large amount of media outlets trying to get good headlines figured out who had tested positive.

@vd9110

2 жыл бұрын

@@drhowandameypond the media already knew abt the test before IOC did, and the thing that Rusfed slow the sample is confirmed ? WADA just takes 6 weeks to inform a doping test and that is for now and the lab's reason is covid so u dont know what actually happened there, the thing abt medal, if the test come after Kamile won Olympic then IOC and CAS gonna investigate the whole situation like theyre doing now, so i think nothing gonna change if the test come after the Olympic

@am1nam

2 жыл бұрын

that’s not how it works especially after 2016

@kerris1782

2 жыл бұрын

@@vd9110 I heard that Russia didn’t flag the sample as a potential Olympic athlete from a news clip it was either CNN or BBC and they said “Russia slow walked the sample” I will try to find the clip and let you know exactly what news source it was.

I love love love your voice! Thank you I’ve been waiting for this video!!

Can’t wait for your next video. Thank you for your commentary!

I'd like to mention that it is not fully investigated yet what is the amount of banned substance (I've heard info about "traces of banned substance" which means along with many other clean tests that it could be an occasional admixture in any legal substance produced on the same pharmaceutical facilities. Also it could be (if other accompanied substances are found) a metabolite of a legal medication, that also appears in trace amounts (meaning its amount cannot influence anything in one's body)) So.. the idea of protected person includes that the mentioning of the name of the person is prohibited. Someone had broken the rule. It's illegal. He or she just had literally robbed Valieva of her good name, because the crowd will never considerate the details and circumstances, will never wait the full investigation, just roar "cheater!cheater!". I believe that all who take stolen uninvestigated facts for truth and speculate on them just follow that dishonest robber. I'd be happy to know the name of the person from WADA and IOC who did it and see him accused of 1)violating the rules 2)opening raw facts. I am looking forward for this and for the results of full investigation of Kamila's case.

@drsalka

2 жыл бұрын

Finally a reasonable comment.

@katiescollection6707

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, figuring out that it was Valieva was pretty easy considering she's the only protected person out of the Russian figure skaters. Had it been anybody else on the team, they would have named them, so since they didn't do that, process of elimination left only Kamila. Nobody 'leaked' her name on purpose. In terms of how much, I saw one report that said it was 2.1 ng/mL.

Oh dear...I think the next video will need a face reveal. THIS WAS THE MOST CRAZY olympic moment and podium Ive seen in my entire life. Like holly craaap If the stadium had caught fire I wouldnt have been surprised.

I have never watched the Olympics first time I saw the clip of skating was an hour ago, now I'm binge watching this Channel and I do not understand why I am entertained, I think its all the drama and the voice in relaxing and videos are structured nicely. Also even tho I live in the UK I am also Georgian kinda proud of team tutberidze.

Your points are so well put! Thanks for saying what really needs to be said!

"The Chosen One" "Military-grade tank" "She don't miss" "You already won" whoops.

AAAAND in the end it got even worse than any expectations. So sorry for everybody.

@eufrazioneto6707

2 жыл бұрын

And unfortunately Anya got caught in the middle of all this Kamila and Sasha mess. Sasha is the "simbolic" winner, the one that will be remembered. Valieva's career sadly at risk, so young and bright, it seems to me like Yulia's story repeating...

@juliocurcio3421

2 жыл бұрын

@@eufrazioneto6707 Exactly! I am happy for Anna’s “clean” (overscored?) skate, very sad for Trusova but she didn’t have a clear skate and the artistry is still not there and Kamilla for everything that she had to live through in these days at only 15 (her future? No idea). The happiest was Sakamoto for sure, but guys, WHAT-A-MESS! Not happy at all overall. I would have also been happy for Sasha to win, but she fell in the SP and she cannot think to win only with jumps, I mean, is an artistry sport.

@juliocurcio3421

2 жыл бұрын

@@eufrazioneto6707 anyway Anna’s mental strength is something unbelievable, even if she doesn’t have the best technique, thinking about the negative comments she got earlier this year and mentally start from zero again it has to be soooo hard, and she did it!

@eufrazioneto6707

2 жыл бұрын

@@juliocurcio3421 she is appallingly ice-cold!

You make the best videos on figure skating and you’re always so informational and I love hearing your opinions, I didn’t even care about this whole thing until I found your videos and it’s all so interesting and complex

Thank you for this Have finally found someone who has brillantly analized the situation.

Let us toast to some grandpa water for a Russian 1-2-3 sweep Especially after seeing the clownery of scores that was the SP last night 🤡 if she's competing among LADIES then she doesn't deserve to have a "minor" advantage.

Dark day in recent Olympic history. Eteri, WADA, IOC, ROC, ITA, NBC and ISU all have their hands on the blade.

I found you channel digging into the ice skating scandal. I’m so happy! Thank you for making this easy to follow 😭😂

I'd bet all three ET girls did the same thing, at least at some point in their careers or using something else. ET should face consequences.

Can’t wait for your next video and what your thoughts are about what went down!

The test was took last year and they decided to hold the result until right after she won a gold for ROC team in the Olympics - where all athletes were already tested and proved clean to compete. I can't help but think there is more to it than just another doping scandal.

@xristinas2767

2 жыл бұрын

Last year as for middle December. To be specific.

@FallenAngelBrass

2 жыл бұрын

"Last year" means 90 days ago. They clearly delayed publicizing the test results.

Usheva had a serious hip injury. Eteri team has serious lack of morals and ethics. Exposure and Justice will come about

@drsalka

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I know many skaters who never skated with Tutberitze have had even hip replacements - so that's *more* and way past just a serious injury point. Skaters like that existed ever since I myself started skating in 1992. It's a common injury in skating that occurs across different coaching approaches and teams so it's nothing new (not that I don't have sympathy for Usacheva nor anyone else with the injury or hip replacement due to injury) and it isn't unique to Eteri's girl(s). Friendly reminder that Nathan Chen is one such skater: "The injury Chen suffered on a failed quadruple jump attempt during Sunday’s exhibition gala after the U.S. Championships has required left hip surgery that will knock him out of both the world juniors and world championships in late March." in January 2016. Why is noone concerned about him and his hips? Why is (or was) noone criticizing his coach and their coaching method?

@kiraem7535

2 жыл бұрын

@@drsalka It is not really about hip replacements. Eteri is known for her “strict”/borderline abusive methods, so it’s no wonder people would be more critical of her if any of her skaters were to suffer injuries.

@drsalka

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiraem7535 Then why did Dena Lowry bring up the hip injury if not to exaggerate and paint Eteri and her method in an even more negative that is usually assumed and perceived light? Hence: "no wonder people would be more critical of her if any of her skaters were to suffer injuries.", my point exactly. ... // ..So perhaps the upcoming semi-rant isn't so much directed at you kiraem, but anyone who might be reading along. - I am Slovenian and was coached by a married Russian couple for 12 years, attended many skating camps including a couple of ISU ones with Victor Kudriavtsev, had choreographies done by his partner Marina and practiced/was coached by them and other top Russian coaches of the time in the late 90s. They were *all* strict, demanding and had high standards that us the skaters were attempting to meet - naturally some more successfully than others according to our talent and level of dedication. It was hard work, but everyone understood that's what it takes if one wants to launch themselves into the air to produce anything noteworthy. I don't understand why people have a problem with strictness and challenging skaters so they can overcome their bull**it perceived limitations and instead rise above? Sometimes that takes unconventional, anger-inducing methods. I cried out of frustration with myself, coaches and other skaters probably on a weekly basis, but that's what it took for me to get over my own limitations. Competitive sports is just very intense; even more so on an Olympic level. I am saying all of this as a person who had her fair share of injuries (lower back, landing foot knee, shin splints, and even won a national title in a juvenile cat. with a splint on one of my arms and no one was forcing me to compete - I wanted to) and I know for a fact that 90% of it was of psychological origin. /// People have a problem with Eteri mostly because she is exceptionally successful.

@kiraem7535

2 жыл бұрын

@@drsalka I don’t know why they commented that, I was only trying to explain the reasoning to their comment 🤷🏻‍♀️and I partially agree with your statements as I believe you must push yourself to the limits to become the best. However there is a limit to that. There is no point in pushing yourself so hard that you permanently damage your body and end up retiring from skating only as a child. This has happened to most, if not all of Eteris skaters, which is what people find a problem with. Eteri has brought a new era to women’s figure skating, where many young girls are now influenced to “jump as many quads as they can”. Now many of the best figure skaters in the world are teenagers who will retire by the time they are 18, and be replaced by younger skaters, which you can’t deny has been a common trend for a few years now. Many people speculate that the reason for such early retirement is because they are overworking their bodies, causing it permanent damage. It is nice that women’s figure skating is developing quite rapidly, but at what cost? Well this is just my opinion on the topic, as we both have very different views on the various methods used in figure skating.

So now Kamila is the 4th I am crying , the media , the journalists literally killed her. As you said , it will be better not to allow her to compete , because now we see what the Mess and Drama are all of that Paola, I will wait for the next video and your comments Love from Russia ♥️

On February 1, 2018, the CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport) acquitted 28 of 39 Russian athletes previously disqualified for life and deprived of home Games awards based on the report of WADA independent expert Richard McLaren and the verdict of the IOC Disciplinary Commission Denis Oswald, and restored their results at the 2014 Olympic Games. What has become of our world? They were shamed publicly and loudly, and after their acquittal, did anyone just as loudly acquit them? God forbid you to be accused without guilt. Perhaps then you will remember the tears of a child.

I'm so sad for the other competitors who are clean and do not get to get their earned Olympic medals.

I think that your video covered everything really well! The other thing that I found really questionable is that they waited for after she had already won the team event (and as a result couldn't be replaced by Anna or Alexandra who would have also most likely won it) to announce that she had tested positively

I can only imagine the "guys" we will hear in the next video, after all the drama that happened in the past hours😂 Edit: Don't forget about your face reveal

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING ON SHA’CARRI RICHARDSON!!! That was my immediate thought when this decision came out

After the recent developments I am waiting for guys! guys! guys! More than ever right now. Like I can’t even believe this…all the feelings

Thanks for explaining! I didnt understand one bit of it before this

If 15 is too young to face consequences, 15 is too young to be in the olympics

I discovered your channel just recently and I am already so excited for your video about Sashas outburst and Kamillas performance. I would also like to hear your thoughts about what would have happened if Alina had competed.

From this point on, every victory of the Russian skaters especially from Tutberidze's camp is meaningless in my eyes. Even if they sweep the podium, I consider the 4th place to be first, 5th to be second, 6th to be third. Because at least I know the competition achieved what they achieved without drugs. What a shame.

@drsalka

2 жыл бұрын

make that "without prohibited drugs"* - let's be specific here. they can still use drugs, just not certain ones/those containing certain substances. :)

@rachel_dawn_amber

2 жыл бұрын

@@drsalka everyone use drugs, medicine is a drug

@drsalka

2 жыл бұрын

@@rachel_dawn_amber not everyone does; I for example don't take medicine. I am sure there's plenty of people like that on the planet and even some among the currently active athletes.

good commentary here. i appreciate your channel

So much had happened. Already looking forward to your another video.

This is so wrong on so many levels dear god

I remember, when I heard what she was doing for the free program (the team’s event’s), the first thing that came to my mind was “why is she doing all that? She can easily win without putting so much pressure on her physical health.” It’s so sad to see an extremely talented girl being corrupted by her own coach.

@mirage3572

2 жыл бұрын

In russia here if are in sport the coach is over what you take. It’s different in the west. Here if a coach tells you to take something you do it no questions asked. Our mentality is just different

@elainevm

2 жыл бұрын

@@mirage3572 oh yes I know, that’s why it is sad to see such young girls being treated this way and not actually enjoying the sport as it is.

Girl you make my day I love your videos

It's nice how you worry about her mental health, because in Russia mental health issues are often completely disregarded. No such thing exists. Also US people are taught that cheating is bad, russian people are taught that cheating is part of the effort to success, if you didn't get caught you did good, if you did get caught, then not a big deal, understandable. I've been caught cheating during the exams in school and college, and as a punishment were just asked additional questions. So rest assured on russian side of the internet everyone is cheering for Camila and think that she's innocent and deserves to compete.

@elye0987

2 жыл бұрын

Wow. Interesting perspective thanks

@ashleyleonard8148

2 жыл бұрын

That's insane and sad. Cheating isn't a birthright. It needs to change =(

@maru3906

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashleyleonard8148 it's just your culture speaking, different understanding of right and wrong.

@maru3906

2 жыл бұрын

This being said Eteri should go to prison if she's responsible for giving doping to her underage athletes, that's actual harm to their health. The corrupt russian officials are the whole other issue.

@maru3906

2 жыл бұрын

@@kara1460 I agree, cheating amongst ourselves where everybody expects you to cheat a little is one thing. Loosing your face on the international level where rules are meant to be followed is another. I was just explaining that it's not the cheating part that russian people would consider wrong, it's the treating children badly and the consequences for the athletes that could've been avoided.

I don't understand why they can't have medal ceremonies for both the team event and women's singles and just exclude Valieva and Russia! They could be given blank medals and whenever her case is resolved, they could be sent their correct medals. That way everyone else gets the experience of partaking in an Olympics medal ceremony because let's be honest, they're one of the highlights of the Olympics.

@SupremeNugget17

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the other girls are being punished for the actions of one

@claudb7109

2 жыл бұрын

Because everyone moves a place up if kamila doesn't get a medal

This is two things.1 unfair to all skates in the comp. 2 it’s ok to dope children because there minors

You nailed this analysis, well done.

I read that the reason why it took 6 weeks for the test to reach the public/IOC is because RUSADA didn't initially flag the test. There was some loophole that they could wait 6 weeks to report a positive doping test and they took advantage of it.

If what happened at these olympics isn't enough for Paola to do a face reveal I dont know what would

I am this close to reading into the whole legal situation. (I'm a law student, wow, I lasted 3 seconds without mentioning that) From a legal standpoint I am all for the protection of minors. I will not judge Valieva until the court has made a final decision which is probably going to take months. The entire debate about her is controlled by emotions and also national interests play into it. A lot of people want to raise the age limit for the Olympics to 18. Yet they do not take offense to the athletes under 18 from countries that have no chance to medal. That is - in my eyes - another sign that this debate it not completely fact-based. Somehow it is only a problem if minors can do things "adults" can't. Somehow they don't think this way in other sports. Americans went CRAZY over Chloe Kim during the last Olympics where she was only 17. If an age limit would be discussed, why should it only be applicable to figure skating. How would other sports be affected and what consequences would follow? Changing the rules just to account for one specific case could have a lot more consequences than first expected.

@eavennesyerie1954

2 жыл бұрын

I personally don't see why an age limit can't only apply to figure skating (not that I necessarily think the age limit should be 18). I think it's more about the trend of these girls burning out really quickly (and, for some, retiring after bad injuries at young ages) which is something unsustainable for the sport. Like...figure skating, specifically. Another issue is the culture of child abuse enabled by the low age limit. I believe that in some other sports, 13-year-olds have competed at the Olympics, but it's not like 13-year-olds can compete in Olympic Figure Skating...so why can't the age limits be different between sports? As for the legal situation, as a fellow law student, I'm also for the protection of minors and I understand why CAS decided the way they did. However, I think that morally / emotionally, allowing Valieva to skate was like, the worst possible outcome. I'm not saying CAS should have decided differently, but yeah.

@FallenAngelBrass

2 жыл бұрын

We protect minors in many circumstances and the Olympics should be on that list. No children allowed in the olympics- period. To expose children to abuse (either by coaches, parents, or social media claptrap) and to use children for our own entertainment is criminal. The Olympics must be for adults. Enough of this!

@FallenAngelBrass

2 жыл бұрын

@@andonisgaja7379 Ah, good point. Sigh......

@kirag9509

2 жыл бұрын

Your logic is flawed. Just because one sport raises the age to compete doesn’t mean all sports must do the same. In fact, in 1997, gymnastics raised its age to compete to 16 because young girls were destroying their bodies beyond belief - to the point where they were unable to physically compete in the next olympics because that’s how damaged their bodies were. I suggest you watch “What is Happening to Women’s Figure Skating | An Essay | Part 1” on KZread. It explains how figure skating prizes slim hips and small bodies, and young female skaters absolutely DESTROY their bodies trying to maintain such a physique while still being able to do these athletic feats. Many under-eat so they can avoid starting their period because they know once their hips start growing in, they can’t jump as high and rotate as much in the air. And when you forcibly stop your period your bones become extremely brittle. Making it more likely that you’ll break a bone. And fun fact, every single skater on the Russian team had broken their bone. The Russian coach weighs the female skaters everyday and they get punished for gaining even 1 pound because their coach thinks their jumps will be thrown off. So yeah, They should 100% raise the age for figure skating BECAUSE this sport absolutely preys on young girls. And these young girls pay with their bodies. Can you imagine winning gold but at the cost of your body having irreparable damage at the ripe age of 16???? Can you imagine the amount of physical abuse you have to put your body through for you to cap out of the sport at that young of an age??? This is literally the reason why gymnastics had to raise its age - young girls were destroying their bodies to maintain a competitive edge

been waiting for this one 😭😭