Raise the age limit to 17 for all senior figure skating competitions worldwide. Make the changes necessary for the future of the sport, investigate and punish the coaches and the team “doctor”, but don’t vent your anger on a 15-year-old. She is blameless in this.

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

I think it should be 18 across the board. Adults only.

@mikiohirata9627

2 жыл бұрын

@@lindatannock 16 or 17 seems to be fare. As long as individuals are held accountable to investigations and punishments.

@katys.7767

2 жыл бұрын

ikr. kamila should not get backlash, shes still a kid. but eteri should be investigated and the team doctor and all those people behind the scenes. eteri should furthermore completely removed as a coach. she pushes their talents beyond the limits, with physical and mental abuse. she emotionally blackmails these girls and actively seperated them from their mother. these girls only last maximum 2 seasons and getting replaced after it because they have to retire even before they reach 18 years. imagine your body has to retire at such an early stage of your age from the sports you love just because of this abusive system with no limits. I would push for an age limit of 18 even, 18 is, when in most countries these people are deemed as adults.

@nathanblackburn6221

2 жыл бұрын

Clean honest working 15 years olds should not be held hostage by cheaters.

@ns2110theonly

2 жыл бұрын

She is not culpable but she is not blameless. She admitted to taking an entire cocktail of pills.

Fianl thought, if minors are given special exemptions, then minors should NOT be allowed to compete with adults. That would end this and put everyone on a more level playing field.

@kimp.dr.n2652

2 жыл бұрын

Change the olympic age to 18

@kinglinus3708

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimp.dr.n2652 ya but not fair other. They need change protect minors.

@kimp.dr.n2652

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinglinus3708 no minors. If adults/coaches/handlers cant manage a minor just no more minors in the Olympics. Once an athlete is 18 they can compete. I don't see whats unfair about that.

@amandalayson3727

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimp.dr.n2652 even if they age limit the russian ladies will still dominate as russia's synchronize swimming ladies even they aged 30+ are still the best.

@YangWangPhD

2 жыл бұрын

Unfair because some will not be able to compete until they're 22 (lose 4 prime years)

The best thing that could happen from this is they raise the age. It would be so good for the sport in general.

If athletes can get disqualified as something so minor as having their uniforms not fitting the standard then obviously anyone doping should never be allowed to compete!

I think the Olympic minimum age should be 18 for all sports. All rules should apply to all participants with stated consequences.

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

I agree about the age. It definitely should be 18 from now on

@RomanGalon

2 жыл бұрын

I agree as well.

@hllrygldsmth

2 жыл бұрын

There is a movement to raise the age of women’s figure skating to 16, 17, or 18, but it’s funny how none of the media coverage is about that, instead it’s about vilifying a 15 year old girl

@sakurakumari7305

2 жыл бұрын

No! My country got 13 year old gold and 12 year old silver Olympic medalists last year. My country is one of the cleanest regarding those doping issues. So that lowering age thing should only apply to those troublesome countries like Russia or maybe USA, not to clean countries.

@garryski3457

2 жыл бұрын

where were you when Tara Lipinski won the olympics at 15? Why has nothing changed in 24 years (since 1998)? oh, I forgot that Tara Lipinski is from the USA))), and Camila is not from the USA

If Kamila is old enough to compete, then she’s old enough to follow the rules. Also I find it ironic that this doping scandal is going on at the same time that Russia is playing cat and mouse with the Ukraine and US.

@milajayson6991

2 жыл бұрын

It is a shame that you are throwing such accusations without even finding out the essence of the issue. Specifically for Valieva, she has passed at least 10 tests in the last 3 months, and all of them - except one - are absolutely clean. And in the only dirty test, so small a quantity of the substance was found that it is obvious that she did not even take a therapeutic dose of the drug. It can only be about accidental contamination - and not only of the athlete, but also contamination of the test. To make such a result with the meager amount of the drug found, it is enough just not to wash the test tube - and for some reason it seems to me that this is the question to the lab that had lost WADA accreditation for mistakes in screening tests in the past. Why people should trust them again after they violated time deadlines.

@muoian

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@hr3193

2 жыл бұрын

@@milajayson6991 역겨운약물독재국가

@harry333ism

2 жыл бұрын

The IOC has proven incompetent. It is nonsense that the IOC cannot exclude VALIEVA from the competition.

@kgan4733

2 жыл бұрын

I think IOC made the decision because there might be some suspicious activities showing she's framed. That's why they are not banning her

I'm sad that almost no one really cares about the skating. They should have sent V home so the other skaters could compete and people could move on and enjoy the high level skating. This way EVERYONE'S attention is scattered. Such a shame.

@elizbethcook8223

2 жыл бұрын

In addition, if she wins a medal there will be no medal ceremony. That is so unfair to the other athletes. Yes they will get their medal at a later date however, they miss the opportunity to get their AT the Olympics. The same goes for the team medal - the IOC will not hold the ceremony for the team medals because she was part of the winning team.

@707isnotfound

2 жыл бұрын

honestly I haven’t been able to find videos about how other skaters did on the short program (or videos showing it) they only show V short program :(

@GoddessShazza711

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizbethcook8223 I wonder why they just didn't hold a ceremony and keep the gold space vacant and give the bronze and silver winners their moment "in the sun".

@GoddessShazza711

2 жыл бұрын

@@707isnotfound I am in Washington state USA West Coast and I was able to see the coverage at 2 am via NBC on video but not the Peacock streaming. I think it was on the Replay page. So, maybe an hour or two after it happened.

@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122

2 жыл бұрын

high level skating?? without the Russians? Such a thing doesn't exist today. Nobody is interested in ladies figure skating without the Russians. All others look mediocre amateurs compared to the Russians. Sorry but that's the pure truth. Actually real figure skater fans like me watch all domestic Russian competitions which are really exciting and if something can be called high level that is.

No one is even trying to argue that she didn't have the drug in her system, so that seems to be a fact. So IN FACT she had a banned substance in her system. Regardless of the circumstances, she shouldn't be allowed to skate. Because she's a minor, her coaching team should come under scrutiny and possible be suspended or banned, because giving unnecessary drugs to a minor to improve your own standing in a sports community is wrong.

@johnnytangsh

2 жыл бұрын

She had the drug in her system back in December, not during the Winter Olympics. If she has it right now, she'll be banned right away no matter what.

@paulagardner3218

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnytangsh Yes, I know. But the drug gives an unfair advantage for training, not for competition. She doesn't lose that training advantage (being able to train longer and recover faster) just because the drug isn't in her system now. So she shouldn't be skating, in my opinion.

@allier1867

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnytangsh its banned in and out of competition. she also does not have tue for it. ALSO its not a contamination. the amount she had in her pee was 200x the amount compared to a contamination.

@irabichutskaya8270

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnytangsh -agree 100%

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnytangsh sorry, doesn't matter when it happened. Doping is doping, and that means all year round. Being "clean" right now is irrelevant

Let’s just be real, if this girl wasn’t the favorite to win and/or wasn’t considered a “protected persons”, she would have been sent home a long time ago. The rules aren’t equal for everyone.

@TressBraga

2 жыл бұрын

But that didn't happen for Sha'Carri Richardson -- she was favoured to win yet was not allowed to compete.

@GoddessShazza711

2 жыл бұрын

@@TressBraga as I understand the reason they are saying she couldn't compete is that she comes from a country who plays by the rules. Russia doesn't and Russia pays people off and pressures people.

@hllrygldsmth

2 жыл бұрын

The official rule states that “below a certain age or intellectual capacity, an Athlete or other Person may not possess the mental capacity to understand and appreciate the prohibitions against conduct contained in the World Anti-Doping Code.” Because she’s under 16, she qualifies as too young to understand. There has been a movement to raise the minimum age to 16, but instead of supporting that movement, the media is vilifying a 15 year old girl who is being exploited and abused by her coach.

@TohaBgood2

2 жыл бұрын

@@hllrygldsmth All I've seen so far is the media going hard for the coaches and team (as they should) and talking about the abuse they inflicted on Valieva. I mean, the coach is under investigation for this, not the athlete. The athlete is a "protected person" and is not held accountable. I'd say the media did a relatively good job of portraying the situation. At least from what I have seen.

I only see people being sorry about a minor who has a banned substance in her body, but no one seems to be sorry for the skaters who are fair and clean. I am more sorry for the skaters who can't enjoy their Olympic moment.

@kalidilerious

2 жыл бұрын

Also the two guys in the video really didn't show concern about a healthy kid taking TMZ. Not even the FDA approved TMZ, STEROIDS is approved by the FDA. Forget the round pieces of metal, whoever gave a kid TMZ should be jail. These guys in the video looked to scared to have an opinion.

@mmggomez7447

2 жыл бұрын

i agree! how sad that this selfish little girl has deprived the US & Japan from having the real olympic experience. And if she takes gold it is the same situation. How sad the other athletes will recieve their metal by mail.....this will have an emotional effect in them but they are worried about this 15 year old who signed an anti doping agreement. She understands. Even if it were her coaches giving her this cocktail she still knew there was a chance of getting caught. Afterall she has provided 2 lies of the 3 excuses given. She is not as innocent as everyone thinks( my opinion). i am on the side of the athletes who chose to do things clean.

@elodieelizabeth330

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen a lot of people expressing sympathy for the other athletes, both on social media and during broadcasts, for example Tara Lipinski, Johnny Wier , Ashley Wagner and Adam Rippon. I definitely feel heartbroken for the other competitors knowing that the field is likely not clean and that they will be deprived of a medal ceremony and the Olympic experience they deserve. However, I do personally think that the safeguarding and welfare of vulnerable minors should be front and centre of these conversations because this is a systemic issue in Russian skating (at a minimum - we've also seen major safeguarding issues in, for example, US and UK gymnastics) as Asher says. I think Dylan's point about the power dynamics at play is a very powerful one and how it would be for a child to be surrounded by adults intent on exploitation, even if she did know what she was taking. I don't know if she did. There is a precedent in sport for minors being doped without their knowledge.

@Fliki_K0NNIK

2 жыл бұрын

Once again for foreigners who watch their "honest" media 1 - The sample was taken with violations . 2 - Neither before this case, nor after, nothing was FOUND, NOTHING 4. if the use of a prohibited drug could be proved, she would have been suspended from work long ago. 5 - this is not doping, this drug protects the heart, it DOES NOT GIVE ADVANTAGES. 6 - why don't they open the sample "B. 7 - why were the results of the "A" sample sent after 2 months (they should in 10 DAYS), WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THIS SAMPLE???? THIS IS A GROSS VIOLATION. In addition, the drug was detected in a micro dose. Conclusion: absolute, undisguised Russophobia, dirty politics.

@Deeperella

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fliki_K0NNIK You are incorrect. TMZ does provide a competitive advantage. It improves stamina/endurance for training.

Stop bullying her, she's just 15 year old girl.

@lindabibbs8653

2 жыл бұрын

Its unfortunate that she is caught in the middle between the coaches and trainers who pushed her, but she still should not be allowed to go on. Im sure she was just following orders but it isnt fair to the others all of whom have worked so hard-- without drugs--to get to the Olympics. Im sure no 15 year-old girl would want to take these cardiac drugs which who knows what effect they may have on her in the future.

It is too much burden on a fifteen years old girl. Punish her coaches despite what they say.

@keithschultz9406

2 жыл бұрын

I agree… she is under the care of her coach who definitely is involved

@ericbedenbaugh7085

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!!

@joyluke10

2 жыл бұрын

@@keithschultz9406 its systemic, if it wasn't this coach, you would see another one. This is state funded so the pressure exists at the olympics as these young girls are too young to compete at the senior world championships. They have a whole new crew just waiting in the back ground. I find it interesting that the IOC, ISU, and FIFA (football) are stationed out of Switzerland.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, even if she knew what happened she couldn’t have possibly understood the full extent of the issue or it’s ramifications. She’s trusting the adults/system around her to know what is right from wrong. With the full clarification that she wasn’t being accused, but still to be compliant, she never should not have been pushed to be allowed to compete. The adults around her kept failing her, both with doping and how they handled (and continue to handle ) the situation

the entire world is suddenly ok with bullying and 15 year old girl huh

@naluaicooper4080

2 жыл бұрын

A this point everyone knows this isnt her fault because shes a child. This is fully her coaches/gaurdians fault for putting her in these positions.

@shibbyxoxo

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah everyone feels for her, she's being abused by her coaches and it's not fair to her. They need to ban her to protect her, and increase the competing age to prevent this. If you can't skate past 16/17 because your body is too broken, than this isn't sustainable or fair to these young athletes.

Unfortunately this has not only damaged figure skating but it has damaged the Olympics itself. If only some athletes have to show up clean and others dont then there is no point to the games.

Beyond politics about drug substance, I enjoyed immensely her artistry while perfoming the technical requirements! Kamila don't give up you are a true artists!

Even though she may not be at fault, bottom line is she was doping and that is prohibited. She should not skate.

Raise the legal age so there are no protected groups re: doping. That would also go a long way toward ending the exploitation of over-trained, under-fed young skaters who wind up with eating disorders, permanent injuries, and washed-up skating careers by the age of 18 or 19.

Poor girl! My heart was broken! Tell Kamila that I, as her fan, love to watch her performance!

@valericastefanmoscovici4172

2 жыл бұрын

I am so so sorry !! She is a Little girl ! She is an angel on the ace

It's time to institute hair follicle testing to ensure that people can't cheat and manipulate testing.

@rosarosa8593

2 жыл бұрын

Where is the proof?! Who said she's doping? ! A dubious laboratory that has already been suspended once from conducting research?! How did this information go beyond confidentiality without an investigation?! It is a crime! The Olympic Committee and Wada are corrupt criminals! All samples of Valieva are clean. She demanded that the test tube be opened. It hasn't been opened yet. The media brainwashed you and everyone pounced like vultures. Do you know why? Because there is so much envy and aggression in people! You don't see pure talent, then you are blind! You killed her! All American and Canadian media deliberately fanned the scandal. Rejoice, you robbed yourself. Shame on everyone who killed and finished off this young talented athlete!

@colleenshaughnessy7081

2 жыл бұрын

@Rosa Rosa right. It's all the media and us Americans! 😅🤣😂

@ns2110theonly

2 жыл бұрын

@@colleenshaughnessy7081 this! Plus 1 😂

People should be held account regardless of who they are. Her being the best in the sport does not exempt her from the rules of no doping. Athletes practically sworn to abide by this rule in the Olympic opening ceremony.

@HelTra91

2 жыл бұрын

CAS is saying she is too young to be held accountable, so at the very least it should be her coaching team (and tbh it's about time).

@erikjohnson9533

2 жыл бұрын

@@HelTra91 thank you for being intelligent enough to understand the situation/process. Getting tired of reading ignorant comments. Earlier today I heard investigation will be launched into coaches. 🤞

I doubt Kamila decided on her own cognizance to take anything, but more so the adults around her. She's a kid who worked hard her whole life. There's videos of her at around 5 years old and around 8-9 years old doing pretty darn good moves -- even then. People are looking to DESTROY her, her life, everything she worked for (most likely at the pushing of adults). If anything, the adults for minor athletes should be held accountable and punished, not the kid. I'm rooting for her and hoping whatever adult that got the stuff and gave her the stuff be the one to be punished, not her.

@maple8859

2 жыл бұрын

I am pretty sure most people are not looking to destroy her. Maybe her teammates hate her the most, but outside her immediate circle people either admire her or don’t know her. But doping can’t be excused, can’t be encouraged, can’t be ignored. It is not caught all the time, so at least when it is caught, it has to be condemned very strongly. It is one of the few ways to deter others from doping. Imagine if all was kept behind the closed doors, her younger teammates may start taking this drug knowing that the consequences are minimal. In Russia it is very easy to procure this drug, or any drugs that you’d need a prescription for in the US.

@theknitwit7098

Жыл бұрын

I would feel more sympathetic to her had she not come up with the ridiculous story about drinking from her grandfather’s glass!

People divide on 2 parts. One part enjoy beauty , another part - scandals.

@erikjohnson9533

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a lover, not a fighter. I appreciate beauty, grace, elegance, and pure athleticism. Leave scandals for the courtroom.🙂

@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122

2 жыл бұрын

the haters know absolutely nothing about figure skating, neither about Valieva - they love the opportunity to have a ground for endless hate, evil diabolic people all.

If athletes are doping, they have to be disqualified, period! A fifteen year old can learn from the experience, make a choice, and come back clean at the next competition. An investigation can and should, be done, and if a coach is involved, they should be banned for life!

@mmggomez7447

2 жыл бұрын

i agree. I was not aware that there is also an issue with the judging. I heard an prior olympian state that all the russian skaters tripped, fell, had bent knees and there were no deductions.... i noticed it with chinese skaters but not russia. This olympic experience is horrible for the spectator but a nightmare for the athletes.Ban china and russia from hosting and participating and new judging rules. The sponsors also need to speak up and withdraw support....in the end its all about money! of course.

This is the first Winter Olympics since I was little that I didn’t watch women’s figure skating. I was honestly on the fence about watching before the doping scandal due to the blatant disregard for young skaters’ well being. The doping scandal was just the nail in the coffin. I think every former skater can look back at some of the things that went on when we were skating and admit that there were many thing we would change if we could. I remember the judging controversies, the disordered eating, the overly competitive parents, and the coaches that sometimes pushed too hard. Even if we didn’t experience these ourselves we saw them happen. I think it is time for the ISU to step up and put a true effort into protecting the skaters. USA Gymnastics has shown it IS possible. Gymnastics is far from perfect these days but at least there is an attempt To protect their athletes after failing them so badly. As more and more of Tutberidze’s former students come forward the picture is becoming clearer and clearer, she does not care about her skaters past their ability to win. If you don’t care, of course you will dope them. She has a bunch of skaters in the wings to replace them with and once they are no longer competitive she doesn’t care what happens to them. Of the medication Kamila tested positive for only one was banned but ALL are concerning and potentially harmful to someone her age. It is very sad and I feel for Kamila. She has only done what those around her have advised, and at her age she doesn’t have the life experience needed to see the manipulation and ill intent of those around her. She thinks this is the only way to succeed when it is quite obvious that she is incredibly talented and would have a long career if trained in a way that doesn’t damage her body. Of all the people involve she is the biggest victim (and yes, I include the other competitors). Even if she is cleared, she will never be cleared in the court of public opinion. Given the life of Russian skaters, her Olympic career will always have a “*” next to it. People will always wonder. It is the coaches fault, it is the ROC’s fault, it is the ISU’s fault; yet the people who suffer are Kamila and the other skaters. I call on the ISU to do their own investigation into ALL the top coaches including but not limited to Tutberidze and those in her camp.

@eileendoonan

2 жыл бұрын

I also didnt watch for the first time in my 53 years becuase of this...

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

The entire board of directors of USA Gymnastics was ordered to resign by the US Olympic Committee or be decertified as the national governing body of the sport.

@shibbyxoxo

2 жыл бұрын

@Heinrich Hertz this is delusional thinking. Where is the accountability? This has happened, how can Russia take responsibility and do better?

As a skating coach and a mom I doubt many parents of young kids will want to enroll to learn to skate after this. Used to be the Olympics rose numbers in skating schools. Numbers are way down from pandemic. This hurts. This is really big hit on the sport and future of figure skating in US.

@fifermcgee5971

2 жыл бұрын

Personally stopped watching figure skating when the judging cheating was exposed, the medal were chosen before the event even took place. Again the Russians putting the pressure on a French judge. As a consequence the judging system had to be changed. Now this positive drug test, the Russians again, so unfair to the clean skaters. Ban the cheaters for 10 years, give them some time to think about what they have done.

@arianar8829

2 жыл бұрын

@@fifermcgee5971 that’s been a problem since day one. Judges aren’t fair and that pisses me off

I was searching, and I can't find another olympic athlete that was allowed to compete and or keep their medals after a failed drug test other than Kamila. I just don't get it.

@aquafinner1505

2 жыл бұрын

protected persons + there was a flaw from the people checking her samples, they were understaffed due to covid 19 and decided to let her compete because they can’t hold a urine sample from december? against her on such short notice so they felt it was unfair to valieva

@Enrique-ir4yq

2 жыл бұрын

Simon Biles

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

@@Enrique-ir4yq stop lying. There hasn’t been a case like this because this is the first time an under 16 athlete is found to have been doped. Her lawyers argued as a protected person, banning her would cause irreparable harm. It’s debatable whether this was a good idea considering what happened. The testing delay is ultimately noise. (Maybe something dodgy happening there with RUSADA not sending the samples soon enough and not marking them to be expedited because they were for athletes competing at nationals and about to compete at Europeans and Olympics.) That was something brought up and is parroted around, but ultimately for competing in the Olympics you’re not supposed to have banned substances in your system at *any* point, in or out of competition. Ever, periodt. These are the rules for everybody.

@Enrique-ir4yq

2 жыл бұрын

@@1chienandalou OK. These are not the same case. Valieva was tested positive, but since the circumstances were special (delay in the test result, she was protected person...), they let her continue and participate until that was clarified because they understood that it was better for her emotionally. Also, since figure skating is a completely individual sport it doesn't change the outcome, you can remove someone from the classification. They let her contour temporarily until that was clarified. On the other hand, Biles has used the excuse of being diagnosed of TDAH to obtain a Terapeutic Exception Use which allowed her to use soem performance enhancing drugs and obtain several medals. They may take away Valievas'd team event medal, but Simon Biles still has several medals and keeps them thanks to the excuse of the TDAH

“was doping” - is a continuous process. I would be cautious with these accusations. This medication could have been taken just once. She could have been a victim of rivalry, and someone sabotaged this. There is lots of drama and hate between training camps within Russia itself. For as many years as Tutberidze’s girls dominate figure skating, they became pro in this field. And if they use doping I expect them to be pro in that as well. I find it quite strange that their biggest star is caught on doping on the Olympics… the day after team gold… And that this news were all over the media from day 1. However, according to the normal procedure the sportsman is notified first and then he is given time to consult his advocate and defend himself, before it becomes known to public.

@jamesyu5212

2 жыл бұрын

She’s already admitted to taking it “accidentally” through her grandfather, so I’m disappointed that you can’t even do a modicum of research and immediately go to jealousy as the primary response. Contrary to your belief, we care about this girl. If you really care for her, you should be angry at her family, coach and her federation.

@annal7290

2 жыл бұрын

Her advocate didn’t officially disclose the details of the process. No one could/should - she is a protected person. You refer to the rumors spread by the press. Of course, as in all trials, the defendant provide hypothetical versions of events, to provide leads to the investigation. I do not defend Kamila or her coach/parents. I just want her to get a fair chance to defend herself. She didn’t get it so far: the results of the doping test were communicated too late and she got no privacy from the get-go

@margaretkinnaman8585

2 жыл бұрын

Who would sneak into her medicine chest to switch meds? They are watched like Hawks to make sure they don't eat so much as a cracker so how would she get something slipped to her?

@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122

2 жыл бұрын

exactly, if you are the very best you will get destroyed. There are so many people who envy Kamila's talent and success. It is obvious it is all made up and willingly fabricated.

@jamesyu5212

2 жыл бұрын

@@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122 what part of “kamila already admitted to accidentally taking the drug” do you not understand.

Kamila Valieva skates more beautifully than anyone I've ever seen, but I agree that she should not be allowed to compete. That said, the ship of fairness sailed when biological men were allowed to compete in the women's competition. It's the equivalent of allowing someone who had doped their entire life - while their muscles (including their heart) were growing ; while their bones were growing - to compete against women who were not allowed the advantage of performance-enhancing drugs. I have nothing at all against transgenders. But allowing a biological male to compete in women's is absolute cheating. How do they not have a problem with that? When that is allowed, the concept of fairness already went out the window. The Olympics have been forever tarnished.

If she's going to compete with adults then she needs to be held to the same standard.

Dylan, I don't understand your comments or your view that Valieva should be allowed to compete because she might be found innocent later. We all ready know she is the victim here! But the fact is she tested positive for a ban substance period. That alone should have prevented her from competing. It is a disgrace and a slap in the face to all the other women figure skaters in the competition as well as the Olympic Ideal.

@sujatabose7983

2 жыл бұрын

False positives are a thing. She is entitled to due process and a look at the B sample and other evidence. Admittedly it's not looking good for her but I can see why they want to allow time for the full process to play out. Remember - innocent until proven guilty.

@Luisa-bo2wt

2 жыл бұрын

Not really. The test was delivered 1 month after it should have been. By then she already had than 2 other tests that are clean. Why was this test delivered after she competed? I know USA wants the gold. But it actually very supicious that the test was delivered just at that point. Also they are testing the B-sample so it can be proven if she was in really dopped or not.

@naailtariq5930

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. There have been several red flags, finally we get a shred of evidence here that confirms our suspicions. Never seen before technical content and consistency, from a country with a recent proven track record of state sponsored doping = too many red flags. Finally you get a positive test, you're out.

@Christenzilla

2 жыл бұрын

How can she be innocent. The test turned up drugs, she admitted to taking her grandpas meds. Open and shut.

@sujatabose7983

2 жыл бұрын

@@Christenzilla She never said point blank that she took the drug. She was just offering suggestions on how the drugs might have entered her system presumably in case the B sample also comes back positive. Sometimes we have things in our system that we didn't knowingly ingest ourselves. In such a case, wouldn't you try to figure out what happened? I believe she will ultimately be found to have ingested a banned substance but not yet clear whether she did it knowingly or someone else fed it to her without her knowledge. Either way, I believe in due process. Let all the facts be looked at and the B sample examined. The court of social media is always too fast to jump to conclusions. In life, seldom do we have true open and shut cases.

No attacking her, her adults/trainers/sport committee failed her. BUT, the fact she had 3 heart medicines in her system, one of them is banned. The stupid "I must have touched my grandpa's medicine" is just an admission of guilt. She should not be skating, her skating has ruined the Olympic experience for every figure skater competing against her. The teams are unable to celebrate their medals and the female figure skaters will not be able to celebrate their medals. ROC is on suspension due to their systemic doping and here we go again.

@diomedecassar2244

2 жыл бұрын

She said nothing of the sort. The point is that her grandpa uses those three medications and has been using them for years. So his system and his saliva is saturated with these medications which he needs to take three times daily. It is not hard to imagine that on Christmas an insignificant trace of her granpa's saliva, either through food or cutlery could have accidentally ended up in Kamila Valieva own digestive system. And it could well be that the medication was maliciously added during those long 45 days when it was held at the ITA labs to be analyzed to frame the Russian athlete and the team! So, before you judge, remember U.S. pairs skater Jessica Calalang, who tested positive last year for a banned stimulant during an event. She was temporarily suspended and lost her U.S. Figure Skating stipend, and she and her partner had to withdraw from the 2021 world championships. Calalang was eventually able to prove that her positive test result was due to accidental contamination through her makeup! Unlike US athlete Jessica Calalabg, Kamila Valieva NEVER tested positive during the Beijing Winter Olympics and her freak positive sample of the 25th December returned just a negligible trace of the banned heart medication which could not have given her any advantages anyway.

@diomedecassar2244

2 жыл бұрын

NONE of team ROC have been found positive during the Beijing Olympics.

@casret2180

2 жыл бұрын

@@diomedecassar2244 agree with you.

@TaraSillert

2 жыл бұрын

I recommend reading about the life of TMZ in the body by cardiologists to understand how extremely low possibility it is for contamination.

@ericbedenbaugh7085

2 жыл бұрын

Not only did the adults fail her, but so did the IOC. By their own rules the IOC has 20 days for a sample to be tested, this took over 40, then they announce the results AFTER she competed. Are you kidding me? The lab was apparently understaffed because of COVID (you knew the covid excuse was coming) so how do you take the result seriously? Can they show chain of custody for two months and 2000 miles to an understaffed lab? Do she have the right to appeal and to be re-tested? What if she test negative? Does she get her gold metal? This could have all been avoided had the IOC done their job. Do you think any of them will be fired? Will the lab be fined for their failures? No, the one who is going to suffer is a 15 year old girl.

As a former high school coach…my high school athletes we’re always held accountable, signed participation contracts, and were held accountable if they were ever caught with any type of banned substances…from alcohol to any form of doping drugs…PERIOD! They were minors…and help accountable…from that point they were helped through the process…but not given a free pass!

@Raptorsky20

2 жыл бұрын

Kamila doesn't have a free ticket, She can skate under pretense, The test result came too late, you have the right to lodge an objection like any other, only time was so short that if it is negotiated later and you will be blocked now . She is acquitted, she would then have lost the chance for gold forever, so she was allowed to compete first , then in 1-2 month we see what is hapend dont verget the result come 45 days after russian championchip after the Teamevent suprice suprice ... .

The man joined Canadian football women team last summer Olympics and won gold! No one talked about how unfair it was for all the girls of other teams. But micro dose of a drug which doesn't affect performance apparently is a big deal.

@Christenzilla

2 жыл бұрын

Any drug on the banned list is a big deal, that's why they do drug tests routinely!

This about child abuse, not gold medals . If there is no heart problem then pumping her with powerfull heartdrugs is abuse. She is supposed to be in a protected group, why are they not protecting her.

I am tired of hearing she's 15 years old and she's a minor. Yes, they need total proof yet at the age of 15 she knows what's right and wrong. I knew what was right and wrong by the age of 5 years old.

@tameramares5785

2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!!...🖒

@user-yu2pc4ur3v

2 жыл бұрын

Не верю , чтоб ты помнил что было с тобой в 5 лет ))

@sakurakumari7305

2 жыл бұрын

15 years old is old enough! My country got 13 year old gold and 12 year old silver Olympic medalists last year. They don't accidentally take grandpa's medicine. This 15 year old must be really stupid. My country is one of the cleanest regarding those doping issues too.

There is no place in Olympic sports for doping, regardless of your age. We all know doping has become an art form, where athletes and coaches will go to extreme measures to get away with it. 1 positive test is all it takes for other athletes to get banned and suspended. Kamila shouldn’t be treated any differently. I’ll never understand this decision. I’ve been a strong advocate for figure skating and have had countless arguments with family and friends defending the sport but this, along with the crap judging is too much. I will no longer be defending figure skating as a legitimate sport. It’s corrupt from the inside out. Period.

@Fliki_K0NNIK

2 жыл бұрын

Once again for foreigners who watch their "honest" media 1 - The sample was taken with violations . 2 - Neither before this case, nor after, nothing was FOUND, NOTHING 4. if the use of a prohibited drug could be proved, she would have been suspended from work long ago. 5 - this is not doping, this drug protects the heart, it DOES NOT GIVE ADVANTAGES. 6 - why don't they open the sample "B. 7 - why were the results of the "A" sample sent after 2 months (they should in 10 DAYS), WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THIS SAMPLE???? THIS IS A GROSS VIOLATION. In addition, the drug was detected in a micro dose. Conclusion: absolute, undisguised Russophobia, dirty politics.

@rox9064

2 жыл бұрын

@@Fliki_K0NNIK the media coverage from my country on the situation was quite fair to kamila here. Dylan in this video defended CAS’s decision and the “due process”. 1- just because there were delays does not mean there were violations. From my understanding, the sample was marked as non urgent and the labs had staffing issues due to the pandemic. That aside, I do agree that the timing of the results is fishy but it doesn’t mean the results aren’t accurate or there were any violations. Maybe I’m wrong here but that’s just my take. 2- her sample tested positive for tmz and 2 other drugs for heart conditions. Not sure what you mean by nothing was found when there was. You even admit to this in your point #5. 3- that’s the problem. The use of prohibited drugs was found and she wasn’t suspended. She should have been suspended. 4- tmz is banned as althletes have taken it in the past for performance enhancement purposes. Regardless, even if we were to argue that the drug doesn’t give any advantage, it’s banned. So don’t take it. There’s no excuse here. 5- the coaches and athletes need to request to have sample b tested. The athlete can even be there when sample b is tested. So the question is, why haven’t kamila and her team asked this yet? I don’t know the answer to this. 6- see point 1. I respect your level of dedication and love for the athletes and sport but my comments and opinions aren’t coming from a place of propaganda from media. I actually find the Canadian media attention on this has been lacking and haven’t taken a hard enough stance on it. Obviously I’m not attached to any of these skaters so maybe that’s why I am prioritizing the integrity of the sport and the Olympic ideal.

@Fliki_K0NNIK

2 жыл бұрын

@@rox9064 the fact of the matter is that tmz is found in doses that give superiority. In such situations, there should be adequacy. Why are athletes from other countries, for example America, forgiven for this?????????????????????

@Fliki_K0NNIK

2 жыл бұрын

@@rox9064 Shawn" Barber Richard Gasquet Jessica Noelle Calalang Simone Arianne Biles Will Claye

This has been my favourite take on this whole issue. The fact that she is a child who hasn't been protected and is in an abusive environment was not only acknowledged but it was applied in the way you gave your opinion. This is not only a Russian problem, it's not only even a figure skating problem, it's a societal problem with exploiting children and disposing of them when they've served their purpose. There has been such an unbalance in the way this issue has played out, with a lot more focus about figure skating and less about the fact that this is potentially a child abuse case that goes beyond Kamila. As much as i love the sport, personally thinking about the child abuse that seems to going on in the sport (likely goes beyond just Eteri and Russia) has really impacted me the most.

@garryski3457

2 жыл бұрын

Let's make a single rule for everyone: no illegal drugs can be in the possession of athletes participating in international competitions (no medical exceptions like Serena Williams or Norwegian skiers ...) If we are talking about rules - they should work for everyone without exception! Why were the deadlines for performing test WADA lab analyzes not 20 days? Where is the guarantee that nothing was added to the tests? Why does information appear in newspapers before official documents are published? Because the rights of athletes are constantly violated. Tara Lipinski also won the Olympics at the age of 15 - why has nothing been done in 24 years (since 1998)? Looking at Camila, I can say for sure - she does not need doping to win!

@veragorchenina5123

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Personalmeaccount

2 жыл бұрын

@@garryski3457 yeah I’ve always thought that the age limit for athletes especially those at the Olympics needs to be raised to at least 16 if not 18. Having children at the Olympics has created so many layers of disadvantages in the sport. E.g. in figure skating it’s added to the abuse of children being forced to peak and 15 and retire at 17 because they’re pushed too far too young because they’re smaller. These kids are being put on beta blockers to prolong puberty so they look especially small for their age. They’re kids so they have no autonomy because they have to rely on the adults around them who can be abusive in the way Eteri clearly is, potentially drugging a child without her knowledge (this is not an isolated case, Kamila is one of many kids being given “vitamins” which are actually drugs). We don’t even know the future effects these drugs are going to have on these kids. There definitely has to be an investigation though on how all these information were being released before anything official was released, especially because this did involve a child. Why did it take the labs so long to come up with her result of her positive test was taken in December 2021. There are way too many layers here that need to be reviewed.

@garryski3457

2 жыл бұрын

@@Personalmeaccount Your imagination is too rich and justifying yourself with hypocrisy, you are trying to teach the whole world how to live. They started talking about raising the age after athletes from Russia began to win competitions for several years in a row. And when Tara Lipinski won in 1998, everyone liked the idea of ​​having a children's sport.

@Personalmeaccount

2 жыл бұрын

@@garryski3457 I never said I’m the only one that’s thought about raising the age limit. I merely stated my opinion on the age limit, which doesn’t mean that other people don’t have the same or differing opinion lmfao. Also what hypocrisy do you speak of and in what way am I trying to teach the world to speak. We all have our opinions and me conveying my thoughts on the matter is not going to change the culture of a sport or an entire country. A little common sense would have been helpful while you were reading my comment.

Also, she admits she ingested the drug. So that much is clear. So this whole did she did she not...that has been put to rest.

@tunde-ilonakrasznai7122

2 жыл бұрын

why are you saying false things? She is not allowed to comment anything while the process goes on, therefore you couldn't hear anywhere that she admitted anything at all.

Why is she allowed to skate? Politics plain and simple.

She's by far the best skater I've ever seen. I don't doubt that there's a ton of jealousy involved and how having her eliminated would be some people's only chance at winning, because if she's competing, their chances are down the drain.

Figure skating has lost ALL credibility. If the OOC and ISU fail to act - kiss the sport goodbye.

She was tested before the Olympics (much later than December last year) and during the Olympics - she is CLEAN! but somehow the results of December test came right a day before the medal ceremony

@margaretkinnaman8585

2 жыл бұрын

Because the Russians know the cut off date to stop doping so it doesn't show up in tests. And this is a state run program. The Russian government use these athletes for propaganda purposes. Winning is all that matters, the athletes are disposable. There's even a poor home going around about the " expiration date" of these skaters who retire with serious health issues by the time they are 18-19 or younger.

@playershcmc4ext5w88

2 жыл бұрын

@@margaretkinnaman8585 doesn't make sense. if they know the cut off date, why they let the December test be positive for a substance? lol this is a rhetorical question

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

@@playershcmc4ext5w88 25 December 2021: Valieva submits a sample for doping to the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RUSADA). 25 December 2021-8 February 2022: Valieva’s sample submitted to a lab in Sweden to be tested (Russia is not allowed to test its own samples). The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) revealed later that RUSADA did not mark it as a priority sample. Testing of the sample was delayed, at least in part, due to difficulties caused by the pandemic.

@garryski3457

2 жыл бұрын

@@margaretkinnaman8585 Where did Tara Lipinski go after winning the 1998 Olympics? And why 24 years later you don't care? Why is Serena Williams taking drugs for medical reasons? Any answers? There are sports such as rhythmic and artistic gymnastics, figure skating, where the form is very important. The younger the athlete, the higher the chance to win! Compare the skating and difficulty of Camila's program to that of any figure skater over 20 years old. They will have any chance to win Kamila, what do you think?

@garryski3457

2 жыл бұрын

@@whiteserpent6753 I'm not interested in knowing what an athlete is sick with. It is important for me to know that he does not take doping. Serena Williams is not a clean athlete, like many in USA team. So, Until Camila's guilt is proven, don't blame her. We will not judge her. Many athletes after the end of their careers at the age of 15-17 go to competition commentators and become coaches. But blaming the coaches for this decision is not entirely correct.

Having Kamila compete is like IOC letting Russian compete as ROC in 2022.

Kamila is the best skater of all times. There is no point for her to take doping to win, because she doesn’t really have any competition today. She is competing with herself, with her own world records. Let us watch and enjoy her skating, stop bullying her, please! No drug taken 2 months ago would last so long and help her to perform better at the Olympics. It doesn’t make any sense!

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

Athletes must stay drug free 365 days a year. Being "clean" now is irrelevant

@playershcmc4ext5w88

2 жыл бұрын

@@lindatannock tell it to Norwegian skiers taking "asthma" medications haha

@arthurtheaardvark13

2 жыл бұрын

the drugs taken in the past are to help with training. that;s why the Eteri girls can do so many run throughs. still cheating

@playershcmc4ext5w88

2 жыл бұрын

@@arthurtheaardvark13 oh yes drugs taken in the training helped a lot Simone Biles to fail her last competition lol

Thank you both. Profound discussion.

Dump the ISU - form the World Skating Federation. The International Skating Union is corrupt.

@DamirNa

2 жыл бұрын

The Russian Federation itself can create its own ISU federation, with new rules. where anyone who wishes can join at will, if they have skaters with sufficient skill. I think it will be so if the IOC does not admit its mistakes and does not pay! Yes, Sally Jenkins is 100% right. (Sally Jenkins: The Kamila Valieva case is an indictment of the anti-doping system, not her) The Stockholm lab was already out of work in 2018 and they are again... The IOC, WADA, ISU will have to pay millions of money, moral compensation, for the damage they inflicted on Valieva and not only on her.

@swizzle1961

2 жыл бұрын

Bravo

I just want to say a few words about banning Russian athletes…in figure skating specifically….without them there won’t be much left….Russia and Japan for men - those are the top countries to watch. In the USA, figure skating is kinda in the toilet right now… And in general, Russia is one of the top countries supplying elite athletes in many other disciplines as well…winning without having one of the top competitors compete is not winning. There is no doubt that if Russia is banned, international media will still follow Russian local figure skating competitions - cause that’s where all the action will be - both in juniors and seniors. Finally, as far as this medicine goes…that Kamila got caught with; have you noticed, how the media are barely discussing legal and medical/scientific issues in this case….all discussion is emotion-based; they are spinning their own narrative… If one does some research (and some papers touched upon this), this drug - although in theory can help with endurance - has not been really proven to do so. There are very few studies done on this drug and many experts (and I mean western experts) say it probably does not have a serious effect (but more studies need to be done to really know). It appears that western anti-dope agencies saw this medicine used in Eastern Europe a lot and decided that it must be helpful if the athletes are doing so well. This whole thing is more about politics than clean sport. And a viewer with some common sense, thinking clearly, will see through the whole situation.

@rox9064

2 жыл бұрын

If it wasn’t useful, athletes wouldn’t be using them, especially when the substance is banned. I love Russian figure skaters and I don’t think anybody has any issues with having them in the olympics (politics aside). The problem isn’t with Russians but with having athletes who have tested positive for doping compete at the olympics, regardless of their country of origin. Russia just happens to dope a lot and have shown to have systemic issues with doping. The IOC and CAS have continuously failed at resolving this underlining problem.

@Christenzilla

2 жыл бұрын

Banned substance is still banned no matter if the effects of the drug is controversial. Russia & Japan only have top athletes? Not sure what world you've been living in. Especially in the men's skating as Nathan Chen of the US won gold. Clearly you just hate the USA. Personally I don't care who wins, I just want to see some integrity. Not seeing any of that when Russia is involved. So many scandals, treating young girls terribly so they can burnt out and retire by only 17. Replacing them with the next 12 year old. The things done just to win in the women's competition is sad.

@margaretkinnaman8585

2 жыл бұрын

If we "need" a doped up cheating athlete to "save" a sport, then that sport is in trouble. Russia is master at doping and cheating. They have proved it time after time. It's a state sponsored branch of their sport programs. They have it down to a fine art.

@user-yu2pc4ur3v

2 жыл бұрын

@@Christenzilla Мы обсуждаем катание женщин , а среди женщин лучшие Россия и Япония .

I agree with both Tara and Jeanne90275, The poor girl - she is too young to have all this thrown onto her shoulders, however, doping is doping and in that regard while I think she should be allowed to skate - she should also be disqualified later (which might be what happens anyway). Then the onus is on those who doped her and not on her. Some countries will do ANYTHING to win no matter how illegal!!! Also, I agree that the legal age should be brought up to 18 so that if/when people are doping they are fully responsible for it themselves! How awful for her that those she trusted have used her and her age to try and circumvent the system and try to take away from clean skaters their rightful places on the podium!

This was a really great discussion guys. Thanks

Why did nobody say that her later tests in January and right before Olympics were clean? Why did nobody mention that after that particular test taken in December she won Europe competition being clean? Why did nobody find weird the fact of releasing the only dirt old test right after winning her gold in team competition? And why did nobody place presumptuous of innocence before blaming her in braking rules? Let the court did their job with the investigation. Stop harrassing the girl.

At least you guys are fair enough. Just listen to NBC commentators. Don't trash her but the system and the country but not her. I am not a professional skater; I must agree she is really talented, and she can easily be stripped of her medal if proven guilty.

I cant find any video with the subtitles in English of what Eteri was saying to Kamila after the wonderful free skate of karma

Also, whatever happened to the B sample?

“ witch hunt “?! Why does she get a second chance when others didn’t ??!! Because of her race , age and her nation ? The benefit of doubt benefits her but not others

Frankly I think and believe anyone under 16 years of age should just be in YOUTH OLYMPICS. We already have one ,don't we ? This is how you can separate growing low teenagers from assumed grown up of 16 and older. It would be less intense pressure on minors to do drugs by taking away the prestige of accolade as the world's best. I think IOC must do that to every venues and genre not just figure skate. No more Olympic champions at age 13 happening.

@RaymondHng

2 жыл бұрын

There is a Youth Olympic Games. Figure skating governing bodies group skaters not by age, but by tested skill level. Skaters at the junior level compete at the Youth Olympic Games. Valieva competes at the senior level.

@mikiohirata9627

2 жыл бұрын

@@RaymondHng Athletes who compete in youth olympics ranges from 12.13- 19. So what you are saying doesn't even fit in to reality and it should be for anyone under 16 only. Some are definitely junior and some could do well actually in senior division. It shouldn't matter bc I'm only talking about them being in position to not benefit from doping. Of course all dopers must face appropriate punishments still.

I am still confused why the Russians are skating at all in this Olympics. I thought they were on a ban from the last Olympics? If you have a ban on doping...then enforce it.

Nice discussion of the issue.

I feel bad for Kamila because she is a minor. But fix it for the future and raise the age needed to compete to that of an adult. And I also believe that if you are 15 and competing, you need to follow the same rules as every other athlete and there is no excuse to not follow the rules. Follow the rules or don't compete. If your makeup can get you banned, then this is ban-able too. She did have 3 heart meds in her system, not just the one illegal one, so there really is no excuse here that is valid in my opinion.I hope the rules win and are upheld, protected minor or not.

@LaBambaCL

2 жыл бұрын

carnitine is hardly a heart med, its a very common supplement sold everywhere.

@davy209

2 жыл бұрын

It used to be that they have to be at least 16 or older to compete. Former Olympic medal winners like Mao Asada and Yuna Kim had to wait until 2010 to compete because they weren’t 16 back in 2006.

@shadelings

2 жыл бұрын

I feel bad for Kamila too because she is truly talented but as a minor she had no choice over what her handlers (ie coaches) told her to do. She deserved better than having a tarnished legacy due to a positive drug test.

@GoddessShazza711

2 жыл бұрын

@@shadelings Everyone has a choice. She chose to take the stuff they gave her. She could have questioned it , she could have used the internet or had her grandfather ask his doctor about the medicines. Total BS. Yes, her choice of not taking it would mean she couldn't skate ever - however _ she still had a choice.

@starlabaucum5658

2 жыл бұрын

These strong drugs are not good for a young person!!! Gee, Russia again with double standards!!! If she's a protected minor how can they give her these drugs??? That's abuse!!! Its so disappointing and must be corrected!!! Where's your integrity russia...?

Is there anything 'positive' we hear regarding Russia except doping test?

The integrity of figure skating was crap to begin with … how did Wakaba & Kaori score lower pcs then trusova & scherberkova for example?? Now add this & you have a sport with zero integrity . None

Считаю что олимпийские игры изжили себя. Весь мир следит за тремя великолепными спортсменками в последней разминке. А остальных сильнейших фигуристов планеты можно увидеть только на чемпионате России. Это не справедливо

@shibbyxoxo

2 жыл бұрын

THEN STOP DOPING

@user-mf4bn3rk1u

2 жыл бұрын

@@shibbyxoxo совершенно с вами согласна, допинг не допустим. Поэтому наши спортсмены его не принимают. Скоро вскроют пробу B, а дальше Валиевой надо засудить таких диванных комментаторов как вы

I also believe there’s been enough scandals in figure skating already…. If it was going to become a tainted sport, then it became a tainted sport a long time ago. Figure skating will continue as it always has once this blows over and they reach a verdict on this investigation. I truly do not believe Kamila will keep any medals. If they end up running their investigation and decide she was “innocent”….. then I might reconsider whether the sport is forever tainted, but right now, no final decisions have been made.

@tashablok2254

2 жыл бұрын

It seems to me that the very testing system of WADA, the IOC is corrupted. Money decides everything. It is high time to cover up these above-mentioned structures. Both are corrupt. The Olympic Games have gone with the life of Juan Antonio Samaranch

Yes, she's a minor and yes, she's very much influenced by her coaches and yes, I feel bad for her a little, but at the end of the day, she still CHEATED!! She needs to be held accountable for her actions and be banned. As they said, other athletes have been banned for less and if you're old enough to be participating in the Olympics, you're old enough to know right from wrong. I feel sorry for her, but she brought in on herself. It's so fkn unfair for the other skaters if they let this issue just slide by. Reprucations need to be made otherwise what's to stop other younger athletes from doing it...

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

There need to be repercussions for the Russian Olympic team/ROC as a whole too. A total ban imo. They've already been warned/banned for doping, and now this. If they don't get tough this time, all this will continue to happen

Kaetlyn Osmond said between the fall of 2017 and the Olympics in 2018 she was tested 13 times for doping. Kamila must have amnesia.

@HelTra91

2 жыл бұрын

Why? Did Kamila claim she was never tested?

@meowza

2 жыл бұрын

@Puddingyul "should have been cautious" But a 15 year old has to put her trust in someone, and likely its her handlers. If they're the ones telling her its okay to consume this/that, who is she to say no? For all she knows, shes abiding by the rules if someone she trusts says she is.

@minko1979

2 жыл бұрын

@@meowza But it still doesn't give her the right to compete. She has unfair advantage that others does not have. Assuming she was told/forced to take the substances, yes I do feel sorry for her. The coach completely ruined a young talented girl. However, if she is not old enough to be responsible for what happened (whether knowingly or not), she is not old enough to compete. Also, there should be a thorough investigation on the coach and if she truly made her students take substances, she should be banned from coaching and her students should all be tested immediately with proper consequences.

@meowza

2 жыл бұрын

@@minko1979 I agree that she should not compete. The comment I was replying to was insinuating that Valieva alone is to blame.

Well said Dylan @4:30 - exactly my thoughts.

Hi Asher. I really agreed with everything you had to say this video and I'm glad you said it. Do not back down because you're right. There has to be accountability and disciplines do have to have teeth in order to effect change. That said, I wish you would speak up-raise your speaking volume when you talk because I could barely hear you even with max volume.

All athletes are tested before, during and after their competitions, and Valieva's sample was taken on December 25, after that she already won gold at the European Championships in January and the 2022 Olympics, and she was clean at the same time. Figure skaters from Russia, as well as Rhythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming have been taking first places in competitions for many years, maybe they are all on doping?How are they allowed? Or maybe Russian ballet is considered the best in the world because all ballerinas are doped?

@dakiblabla

2 жыл бұрын

Actually some Russian ballet dancers take cocaine for shows. Polunin spoke about this. It's a way to go through the physical pain of dancing.

@claudb7109

2 жыл бұрын

@@dakiblabla they don't take cocaine to be better at ballet. They take it to loose weight. That's completely different.

@dakiblabla

2 жыл бұрын

@@claudb7109 Polunin said he took it to withstand the pain and to put himself in the performance mood.

It is result of disgusting unfair pressure on her. She was allowed by CAS to perform because the banned substance in her probe "A" in DEC2021 could not help / influent performance in FEB2022. And the probe "B" has not been studied yet . She must had been absolved from that pressure and questions until a final verdict.

Let’s make her coaches infamous as much as her . Put it back on the adults who should have protected her

I m so glad that in English speaking countries there are so many kind and honest people, but no among politicians.

Oops wasn’t finished. I don’t think you can get a pass just because you are fifteen. Obviously the Russians and probably other countries have continued the state sponsored doping ways. I think I am most upset by the practices of the training center where Kamala trains and where young girls are mistreated and abused just to win for a season , only to continue skating for a short period of time. The ice dancing performances on the other hand were outstanding. It seems most of the teams were older.....not children. I thought the artistry, and skills, and performances were fantastic. Maybe changing the minimum age for Olympic competition to 18 would level the playing field somewhat, especially for female skaters. Since doping seems to be easy to hide and very difficult to control......maybe it’s pointless to try to control it? The Olympics were originally just for amateurs, but with state supported athletes from many countries there were always “professional” athletes competing. But Kamala and the adults around her cheated, she shouldn’t be skating, this situation makes the various committees in your sport looks very weak....and the Olympics movement seem rather pointless. There are world championships. Why do we need the corrupted Olympics?

@cquinnth

2 жыл бұрын

Kamila sorry

“We need to do better”? EMPTY WORDS!!

Grown adults attacking a 15 year old all over television. That is also shameful.

how can there be an explanation for testing positive for any banned substance?! It's quite simple, if you test positive for a banned substance you are out! it is tragic that a young superstar is a pawn. the people responsible are her coach and the people around her, the adults!!

Very valid comments all around. I appreciate the comment about not putting Kamila out before all the facts are discovered (will that really ever happen??) but I think that the message it sends to every other athlete is a big slap In The face. If you are skating at the Elite level you should know the rules you have to play by. Tara Lipinski was 15 when she won the Gold and she knew the rules that had to be followed on that road! And now I see reports that there were 3 different meds in her system: they conveniently made her grandpa the scapegoat for the ONE med….now there’s two other meds, whose fault will those be??? It’s really a shitty situation either way you look at it, but come on- the rules have to apply to EVERYONE!

@user-yu2pc4ur3v

2 жыл бұрын

Запрещённое только одно , два других вещества разрешены .

Good grief! How many “thoughts” do we need? All we need now is to ask for opinions from Santa and the Easter Bunny. But thank you for pronouncing her name correctly. This was a thoughtful discussion, though.

Kamila is old enough to understand the rule. She should send home.

The best people in the olimpics with no drugs, go away if you take drugs

Guys, can you cover a topic about athletes, who are given permission by the antidoping authorities to use banned drugs for "therapeutic use", please? Like 80% of Norway athletes taking drugs because all have the same asthma, for example?

This doping issue is a complete bullshit! Very questionable and open to manipulation. This is a shame for Olympic Committee and World Anti-doping Agency. Put those medals into your proper organs! Kamila Valieva is the champion of my heart.

This was the best analysis of this debacle that I've seen yet. Great job articulating the actual issues and helping others see this situation for exactly what it is. Thank you for considering building from a loving place. I still love Kamila Valieva. She's my favorite ⛸ I've ever seen, yet I DO NOT like Tutberidze!!! 😡

@sujatabose7983

2 жыл бұрын

Amen. I'm hoping that this slower, more deliberate investigation will result in a full examination of Tutberidze's practices. I worry that Kamila's not the only one who may have been fed banned substances.

To level the playing field every skater are allowed to take that heart medication on competition day! ;)

@colleenshaughnessy7081

2 жыл бұрын

It really doesn't help competition. It helps with endurance for training so you can go longer and train harder. Its use is in training. So you can go and go and go to learn those quads - which is why clean athletes are not there yet!

@anitabreakone

2 жыл бұрын

No way!!!! Most sane people do not want to destroy themselves with dope.

@anitabreakone

2 жыл бұрын

@@colleenshaughnessy7081 Although drugs are prohibited, period!

@dickmojica6830

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly, that substance strickly prohibited

@colleenshaughnessy7081

2 жыл бұрын

@@anitabreakone oh I'm not advocating it by any means.

The thing with SaCarri is tragic. Cannabis isn’t even performance enhancer. Quite the opposite. The emphasis on young girls landing multiple quad is ONLY going to happen with doping.

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

Drugs are drugs. Athletes know what they can and can't take. She had no excuse. The makeup issue is a completely different kettle of fish. I don't think ANYONE would expect makeup to cause a problem with doping!

@anigrig1719

2 жыл бұрын

Alcohol either. But they certainly will be banned performing drunk. So I don’t understand why suddenly is different now.

@harveygirl95

2 жыл бұрын

Disagree. There are many ladies attempting quads today from multiple countries and Kamila is the only one ever tested positive. Also don’t forget Quad Queen Sasha who has been jumping quads since she was 12 and never tested positive for substance abuse. Agree that it is a shame what happened to Sha’carri though

@katiescollection6707

2 жыл бұрын

@@harveygirl95 Sasha, Anna, and Kamila all have the same coach, though, so I'm not sure how likely it is that Kamila's positive was an outlier. Chances are, the only difference between Sasha and Anna and Kamila is that Kamila got caught. Also, with Eteri's coaching practices, substances to help them train harder isn't outside the realm of possibility, considering she's been pretty open about the hours they train and the restrictive diets they're on.

Win or Loose Kamilla's Name is Tained. People Always remember that Doping Scandal. Just Send her Home. The Real Victim is Those Athletes Who Come Clean and Hardworking.

@RED-cy7ig

2 жыл бұрын

100% Her reputation is already stained. Her coaches and (team dr.) Dr. Shevetsky need to be sent back home to Russia.

@tatlim5583

2 жыл бұрын

@@RED-cy7ig Stop talking garbage.

@bunnicula38

2 жыл бұрын

@@tatlim5583 is a Russian bot. 🙂

@tatlim5583

2 жыл бұрын

@@bunnicula38 At least my ancestors were not French and did not lose a wars.

why no one vocal about negative doping tests before Olympics??????? How can anyone imagine that WADA will accept any athlete without checking them , specially Russian athletes are checked even more . This test is very Old and come to light after Russian team won Gold

A 2 Month test result sleeping in a lab in Stockholm, who's result suddenly came out at the olympics games, on the day that young girl was going to get the Gold medal for the team event. On that day at the Olympics her test result is negative. That Stockholm lab did other test in those two months leading to the olympics and in All of her test result she's negative. Where was those sample during those 2 months ? Why that December test result take that long to arrive, while other test result that where made after December for Valieva in that same Stockholm lab came negative? Her team mates had their test result for December and it was from that same Stockholm lab, only Valieva did not get her result. If she was positif in her test result for December why the result did not came out? Who's idea was it to hold it and to waite for her win at the olympics to release it, to compromise the Russian figure skating team? those organizations are not clean and serve political interests behind. 85% of those organization funds came from the U.S something not to be overlooked. A lot of athletes from the USA, Canada, Norway, and other allied countries all have asthma and take "some stuff" under so call "medical prescription" and that, nobody talks about it, but the Russians it's all the time, at every sporting events, same for the Chinese. Our poor athletes in the Western Demoncrazy world are clean, good, honest people, we play fair. LMLOL. There is something rotten in all this, it Smell. Our Western media showed us night and day the slow death of a 15-year-old girl, slandered, judged in public, many in the West rejoice. The more I read the message here from Canadians, Americans and other Western allies, I see why this world is full of EVIL. So much hatred, and those who judge reside in countries that have mastered the art of doping, who hold hands. The hypocrisy and ignorance of some people.

Why is doping ban? .. This is to maintain the health of the athletes and the fairness of the competition. If you forgive Wariewa because you are "young" in this ruling, It sets a precedent that there is no problem if you are young. As a result, I think that younger people have less sense of crisis about doping. If there is a reaction of a prohibited drug for any reason, it should be suspended. "I love all of Kaori Sakamoto's freelancers. If everything was fair and clean, she was the Olympic Queen. " Most of the athletes are so honest and serious that they are stupid, and even if they get a positive reaction, they will stand proudly on the stage of the Olympics. This is a violent outrage against the spirit of fairplay, and it's only natural to point anger at the IOC.

There was 13-year old diver who won gold in Tokyo last year. Should we extend this raising the age limit to other sports as well?

where is her integrity and her empathy for her fellow sportsman? she should have removed herself to make it less about her and allow the spotlight to remain on the other athletes. yes she is 15 so she has plenty of time to get her act together....choose better coaches, label her grandpas meds better learn what other athletes seem to understand about what to put in your body and what not to. she obviously has talent and thats not going to go away, she just needs to get her priorities straight..maybe skate for a different country? one that respects the athlete and the sanctity of the olympics.

Reading comments while Britney Spears plays in the background

The age limit isn't the problem. Its the Coaches!!! and where are the parents?

Her failed test was taken BEFORE the Olympics and could not affect her performance in Beijing. Moreover, the amount of detected substance was very little, and it could get there by chance. Russian coaches and doctors are competent, and they know exactly that any substance will be revealed. I wonder, do people really think that coaches are stupid enough to give drugs to a 15-year-old, especially taking into consideration the tremendous attention towards russian sport. What is more, isn't it strange that this test appeared AFTER her winning? I'm sure that it's a sort of misunderstanding or a political game. Whatever it is, it has broken a very talented girl who has put her back into figure skating. She deserves a medal. Authorities did what they wanted to do. Tragedy. I wish her to come over it and have a happy life.

Im pissed.

@tameramares5785

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!...🖒🖒

It just feels like these entities, whether it's athletes, countries, teams, or/and coaches just keep trying to sneak their advantage by the rule the enforcers. If they get caught they learn, adjust, and make new attempts. They should ban the coaches and perhaps the whole team from the sport.

I'm beyond tired of hearing about her. We talk about her way too much, she needed to be sent home period. She has tainted the women's competition

@HelTra91

2 жыл бұрын

For an Olympic games that people wanted to boycott I'm sure they are loving the fact that they have a scandal big enough to draw more attention to the games. I mean, what convenient timing for this story to come out.

If the Court of Arbitration for Sport allowed her to compete for fear of what damage that could do to a 15 year old, why allow 15 year olds to compete? Do they not think that this outcome has not damaged her?

People who gave her drugs need to be in the jail, I think!

I will not let those sore buzz spoil Kamila's best ever figure skating performance. Under this pressure, 15 years old Kamila is still the No.1 in short program. as adults, should you feel a little sorry for yourselves?

@elomellow1623

2 жыл бұрын

Cheating is cheating. Kind of simple to understand lol

Well isn’t this her first time competing as adult so doping is her decision

@lindatannock

2 жыл бұрын

No, only her first Olympics. She's already been competing at senior level, so knows better

I wish the media and everyone wouldn't call it the Kamila Valieva doping scandal. It should be called the Eteri Tutberidze Doping Scandal or the 2022 Russian Federation Doping Scandal (since there are so many.) The poor girl will have her name associated with this terrible thing for life when it should be the adults and her federation who should be associated with it.