Is speed test G dead? This year there where no snap 8 gen 1, exynos 2200 and mediatek 9000 tests... it is a pity you did a great job in spreading information

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it wasn't as popular as I had hoped.

@shivamgosain

2 жыл бұрын

Well Garry it was for some of us. If possible can you try with 8gen1 atleast for most popular phones@@GaryExplains

@Archer_Legend

2 жыл бұрын

phones cost unless manufacturer send him testing units I hardly see viable for him to buy those with his own money he is not LTT unfortunately from a resource pov. It is a pity Gary, the speedtest G was truly a good thing and I was onboard with it since day 0, I hope Gary Explains grows and maybe you will be able to get some devices from the manufacturers. Thank you for repling, hopefully it is just a temporary goodbye to speed test F

@manulovesjesus

2 жыл бұрын

SpeedTestG channel videos generate more views on average than the videos on this channel and the videos are quite easy to make too. It was pretty popular and had a dedicated base of viewers. Not too sure about this arguement. Speed Test G faced some problems that have to do with animation handling on cross-app-transitions between ios and android (this continued to distort the results increasingly), i think this might be another big factor. Maybe gary is working on something in the background to bring speed test g back in the future.

@Archer_Legend

2 жыл бұрын

@@manulovesjesus well the base of viewers although dedicated is not profitable enough. Doing an s21 ultra snap vs exynos costs him basically 3000 euros which I hardly see him get back from the video

Speed test G was the only test I actually thought was an actual speed comparison that is not total BS. Pls keep it alive

Thanks Gary! I've been checking my subscriptions every day for the past month or so waiting for this video.

Thanks for the fantastic content Gary! I hope you know it is very much appreciated

Meanwhile Qualcomm's most selling SoC Snapdragon 680 with Cortex-A73. Real progress. I wish every High end and mid range processor to come with ARM V.9 architecture only.

@Syed-wj4pj

2 жыл бұрын

how will the new arm cortex x3 enabled mobile processors stack up against the Apple A15 Bionic

@anandsuralkar2947

2 жыл бұрын

@@Syed-wj4pj A15 will also use X3 probably . u know that apple A chips are also arm chips? right?

@MegaLoquendo2000

5 ай бұрын

Since A715 drops 32 bit support it's a no go for me since I still play some really old forgotten Android games

Thank you Gary for always great content! Keep up the awesome!

Been waiting for this !! 🙌

Bring back speed test G

@bthegawd8113

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t generate enough interest and views to support Those tests unfortunately.

Since its almost impossible to get a Raspberry Pi where I live today. Especially since they are back order to 2023. I really wish somebody would create more SBC's that would support newer ARM architecture, like the X3, or A715. I would also love to see a 12 core ARM 9 SBC that is linux compatible.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

Nvidia's Jetson platform is a good alternative to Pi and come with newer CPU designs. However they are more expensive.

@martindejong3974

2 жыл бұрын

why do you think they would have better delivery than the RPF? they are just as dependent on market forces as the RPF. If there is one company that can create better stuff with these new CPU's it would be the RPF themselves.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

Nvidia is way bigger than the RPF.

@fredrik241

2 жыл бұрын

Rpi would not use these high end chips though right. They are always on slightely older processors to be able to keep the low prices. I would like to see some Raspberry priced SBC using older Snapdragons, say.

@glenswada

2 жыл бұрын

Not likely to happen in the forseeable future. ARM wants to maintain extremely high profits ($2.7 billion) for its high end architecture for mobile phones. So they certainly not going to risk that by releasing the same chips for a $200 SBC. You are better of with a Intel N6005 rather than RK3588 for example. The intel not only cheaper and faster. It already has working graphic drivers in ubuntu. Power consumption at idle 7.1 watts etc etc. Hopefully one day risc-v will mature. Until then I personally am not going to reward ARM's greed.

I like that you talk about all the complicated things in a simple way What do I need to learn to go deeper into these things and become like you?

@afif4738

Жыл бұрын

EEE

25 to 30% improvement is really really good. Haven't seen such a good jump in performance since a long time in Arm.

@anandsuralkar2947

2 жыл бұрын

@Garrus Vakarian 80% behind what x86?

@AnIdiotAboard_

2 жыл бұрын

80 percent behind. Baring the fact that arm processors are the most prevelant in the world by a huge margin, 20 billion chips a year, blowing AMD Intel and IBM combined out of the water. You really should look more, ARM are world leaders, they have no rivals and no peers

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

80% faster? Where are you getting that number from? They are faster, that isn't in dispute, but 80%?

@AnIdiotAboard_

2 жыл бұрын

@Garrus Vakarian They dont use ARMS own design, Apple lisence the Core IP and thats it, they bake there own extra stuff into them, ARM Based is marketing wank, they dont feature the full arm instruction set either. Custom silicone and ARM are 2 very diffrent things. Intel CPUs have an ARM processor in them, come to think of it so do AMD, Snapdragonm QualComm, IBM, the list goes on and on and on, chances are your diswasher has an ARM CPU

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

@Garrus Vakarian You can't compare the speed of a smartphone to that of a laptop. The thermals are different, the power budget, the clock speeds, etc. 🤦‍♂️

RIP SpeedTest G

@subasthapa4839

2 жыл бұрын

But I'm still positive 😌

Gary, we are still waiting for Speed test G videos for newer mobile SOCs like 8G1.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

Speed Test G is on pause the moment as it wasn't as popular as I had hoped.

@Piano989

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains Speedtest G has a very big fan base. Pls bring it back!!

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

@Noobwreckspros Fps Thanks for your encouragement, but it is because Speed Test G DIDN'T have very big fan base that I have had to make it a lower priority.

12 cores with if it is possible two imortalis GPU's would be a very nice Linux tablet to use

@randomcomment9992

2 жыл бұрын

You will never see that 12 cores in tablets, since they are have 8 cores what alone can draw 4-5W power, so it can hit the 40-60W power consumption in total, so it's definitely requires a cooler on it.. (just keep in mind, the current X2 also can draw 4,2W on one core, and the better efficiency only visible on the same usage, so if you raise the clock speed from 3GHZ to 3,3Ghz or even 3,6Ghz, you can forget the better efficiency , you just gain better performance on nearly the same heat generation)

So what configuration of an hypothetical Arm based desktop SoC would be on a level to let's say AMD 5600G or whatever Intel has the closest ( taking in account both cpu and gpu perf)?

What about auto overclocking entire SoC and multithreading per core like Hypertheading and SMT?

@Gary, where is your speed test G videos ? Things went south with the app or you guys(AA Team) expected some sponsorship from the brands and didn't get it. So, dropped the project ? WHatever it is, I miss the speed test very much. If possible please make it come back.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

It wasn't as popular as I had hoped.

@morselrafez3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains I agree, the app had great potential. There was no way of cheating it, specially the mediatek SoCs recently are rendering the games lower than it should inn the background to present it better in naked eyes. Anyway, I thought Speed Test G might become very popular but when I saw nothing like that happening then I was disappointed and shocked. May be, a different marketing or advertising strategy do the trick. I am really hoping it will make a comeback.🤞🤞🤞

The 32 bit apps are massively used/developed in China. That may be the reason they are keeping it since Chinese market is one of the biggest out there.

@sbrader97

2 жыл бұрын

Makes sense because google already has a policy to force devs to make apps and update to old apps to have a 64 bit version but china doesnt use play store

does it make sense to make a video about the CPU architecture of x3 and m1?

14:11 Isn't that something similar to what you explained in your Apple processor videos?

@GaryExplains: Just a thought, to get your views. Since ARM clearly focused on improving efficiency in this year's models, wouldn't it make sense for SOC manufacturers to have 2*X3s alongside 3*A715 and 3*510 ( maintaining similar frequencies to present flagship processors, maximizing the power efficency & sustained performance with less heat). I think a tensor like setup wouldn't achieve that much efficiency as compared to the setup above. I didnt see any similar set-up in ARM's slides, so was wondering if there is something that doesn't permit that kind of layout.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

What you are suggesting is what Google did with the Tensor with the exception that you add an extra middle core rather than have four little core (so 2+3+3 rather than 2+2+4). Obviously that would be faster for multi-core scores, but not by a huge amount. The point is that since 12 cores are now supported then there are lots of possibilities. Arm was just showing a few key examples.

@davisfrancis3634

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains Precisely, as you explained. Thanks for the quick reply. I wonder if any of the manufacturers would take the leap of faith and increase the number of cores for the early 2023 SoC launches. With all the talk of the overheating and power hungry cores, i think this year would be a consolidation, especially since 3nm is in infancy at best and 4nm is just reaching to maturity efficiently. I think we are likely to see most of them stick to the currently more efficient 4nm process and 8 core setup, with next year's Plus lines or 2024 SOCs jump to a 10 core or 3nm process or maybe both together.

How difficult will it be to go from 4nm precess to 1nm process? And what could possibly come after 1nm process design and when should we expect it?

@fidelisitor8953

2 жыл бұрын

It's going to be really difficult. I don't know too much about it but currently, both TSMC and Samsung are having difficulties manufacturing in more advanced processes than 4nm due to low yield rates and high chances of chip failure. As it stands, TSMC's schedule for 2nm process has been pushed as far back as 2026 and to make matters worse, 2026 is rumored to be the closest time to expect this process. Will things get better as time moves on? We'll have to wait and see. But for now, we can only wish for the best.

@HouseOfFunQM

2 жыл бұрын

Lower than 1nm we will be down to Angatroms. Without printing certain features individually with an electron beam, or some revolutionary new doping element, it can't really go below 2nm...

@TamoghnaBhattacharya

2 жыл бұрын

There's a thing called quantum tunnelling. If manufacturers aren't lying, mean if 3 nm is really 3 nm, not some marketing gimmick, then quantum tunnelling should start showing effect from there itself, making it impossible to go any further.

@rickjason215

2 жыл бұрын

It is really up to ASML. They make the equipment that actually etches the chips. They are years away from making equipment that can write 1 nm.

@commentarytalk1446

Жыл бұрын

Quantum computers?

up to 12 cores can be used for mid-small cores increase in smarphone chip as well, why they didn't mention something like 1+5+6 cores? there would be a pretty big room for performance increase by small frequency cores, not affect thermals too much I guess, but calculation power should be great

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

There are many combinations possible, Arm was just giving some examples.

From tiny Acorns the mighty oak grows.

#BringBackSpeedTestG

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

I like your enthusiasm!

Gary plz make video on cache memory explain it in depth.plz

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

You mean like this? kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKOZvNVmla-TnNo.html

nice i think mediatek should make a true successor to Helio X30 Deca Core is very Impressive but in release of Dimensity 1000 they go back to 8Core im looking forward for new Dimensity With 10 Core CPU and 11GPU for more Performance but in 4nm

@anandsuralkar2947

2 жыл бұрын

idk how does more cores help at 8core base

When can we see SMT and Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA) in ARM?

@Henfredemars

2 жыл бұрын

I have heard of any plans for SMT. My naive understanding is that SMT isn't a great trade for the added power and area.

8+4+0... Cool, that means in the X4 generation we could see a potentially 8+4+2 or even 8+4+4?, That could close to and apple M2 CPU, maybe better?

Did you ever release Speed Test G for purchase as an app?

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

No, I didn't because at the time I didn't want the smartphone makers to get hold of it and start "optimizing" their devices for it.

Prof. Will X3 come to A16 bionic?

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

Apple doesn't use any Arm designed CPU cores, it designs its own.

If their geekbench numbers are true then the 12 core part is gonna have a score of about 9200(on a TSMC node). Which is even stronger than the M2.

@HouseOfFunQM

2 жыл бұрын

Why has it taken them this long to catch up though ffs - it's been difficult buying Android phones for a while because I know they are mostly hot laggy messes.

@alexseleni3314

2 жыл бұрын

@@HouseOfFunQM I mean the Dimensity 9000 is only 10% slower than the A15. Also if you actually use flagship Android phones you'll rarely experience lag. Especially from OnePlus or Google phones.

@manulovesjesus

2 жыл бұрын

Then why not compare the 12 core to the 12 core M1-Version?

@alexseleni3314

2 жыл бұрын

@@manulovesjesus Cause it's a different layout. This is probably gonna cost as much as the M2. ARM uses more but "less" powerful cores to achieve the same performance. When AMD released Ryzen did we compare to Zeons?

@divanshu5039

2 жыл бұрын

@@HouseOfFunQM you are so wrong those were the old days where they don't have good hardware and no software optimization mostly before android 4.0 nowadays, the are comparable to Apple's chip in terms of hardware, still lags behind in software optimization but not so much. So the conclusion is they are not hot laggy mess. They are fast and cool like Apple's chip.

4 + 8 would be great for a pixel laptop IMO

You made "A", Prof!

ARM and Nvidia have move so far ahead now but there's still zero rumours on new Nintendo Switch Pro/Gen 2. Really want to see what an 8+0+4 setup can do for a maximum gaming performance and maximum efficiency when streaming video on youtube. As for Tegra, really hope that it will support DLSS 2.0 out of the box and we can see 1080p60fps on handheld mode and 1440p60fps on dock with both having internal resolution around 50% of its output resolution. We can then maybe see a simple GPU scaling work in tandem with DLSS, so that on dock mode, the 1440p output res. will fit perfectly on a modern 4k display, whether using a standard integer scaling, bilinear or whatever, that fit into a given game art style.

Somebody please build an SBC out of these X3 processors :)

X3 will come with 8 gen 2?? Or later?

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, in the 8 Gen 2.

@durgeshrasane2533

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains thanks for reply ✌

@Syed-wj4pj

2 жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains how will the new arm cortex x3 enabled mobile processors stack up against the Apple A15 Bionic

@greecemobile7610

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Syed-wj4pj geekbench 5 single core: 1500 score

@Syed-wj4pj

2 жыл бұрын

@@greecemobile7610 so still way behind a15. oh well

how will the new arm cortex x3 enabled mobile processors stack up against the Apple A15 Bionic 🤔

@alexseleni3314

2 жыл бұрын

From the leaks Qualcomm will adopt a 1+4+4 layout which ARM says will offer a 21% improvement. The 8+ Gen 1 scores around 4200. So around 5100. Which is around 10% faster than the A15. If not higher since Mediatek with the current architecture scores around 4400.

@Syed-wj4pj

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexseleni3314 hmm. also apple and the A15 use ARM right? so they will be using this new cortex too i assume

@randomcomment9992

2 жыл бұрын

@@Syed-wj4pj no they won't since Apple still has more powerful cores. They only need to use 2 power cores in their phone, instead of 4 power cores like Qualcomm.. If you even increase the rumored 1300 Single core performance in Qualcomm SD8+ Gen 1 with the 20% performance boost that is still only 1500-1550, so they can reach that in the future, but Apple already reached 1700+ Single core performance in A15 chip. Why do you think the 1550 is a step forward, after they already had 1700 one year ago..?

@alexseleni3314

2 жыл бұрын

@@Syed-wj4pj Well switching back to ARM takes a lot of time even though it seems simple. Apple will probably never abandon their custom silicon even if it falls behind.

X3 is another beefy A715? Or completely redesigned?

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

The X1 and the A78 were close in design, however with the X2 and now the X3 there is quite a lot of divergence. The X3 is quite different internally to the A715.

I wonder when they will start the 128 bit processors?

@HouseOfFunQM

2 жыл бұрын

We will never need them.

@Henfredemars

2 жыл бұрын

We don't even use the upper bytes of a 64 bit pointer.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

I have a video about 128bits here on this channel. It is already being used for vector and SIMD operations. But, we don't need it for memory addressing.

Minute 8:20 that chart is wonky. Please put 0 for the min of the Y axis. That’s would reflect the speed up more clearly. Nice overview. Thanks.

@jordancave6987

2 жыл бұрын

That chart is from ARM, Gary didn't make it

@RobertLugg

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordancave6987 ah. That explains it. Messing with the Y axis is the first trick to exaggerate differences.

Will 3nm GAA improve performance drastically Than finfet?

@eruptic6503

2 жыл бұрын

it will be a bit better TSMC's 4nm but TSMC's 3nm will be quite a bit better.

@sbrader97

2 жыл бұрын

@@eruptic6503 But tsmc 3nm is still finfet so I would have expected the gaafet might still be better no?

@ashar8192

2 жыл бұрын

@@sbrader97 There is more to a processing node than just the transistor technology

@sbrader97

2 жыл бұрын

@@ashar8192 I know that i just thought that its now getting to the limits of what finfet can do but I hope that samsung 3nm is at least competitive and not miles behind like samsung finfet nodes have been

@ashar8192

2 жыл бұрын

@@sbrader97 in terms of transistor density Samsung has catched up to TSMC (4LPE vs 5P), but the yields are horrid, so the v/f curve is much less efficient. Gaa's on 3GAE will improve efficiency, but it's potential will be held back again, by bad yields

Why not 6x3 cores 6x2 configurations

Sup buddies 🙌

The real question is, how much slower is compared to the latest apple silicon?

@hellotheir1427

2 жыл бұрын

assuming TSMC is the main foundry, not too distant

no timestamp?

or maybe a holo iso video , steam os on other hardware

when to see AAA games run on the awesome arm CPUs?! when to see something to compete with apple arm?!

So how long before chip makers adopt these.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

I thought I covered that in the video. You can expect to see these in flagship phones in early 2023.

Starting with M1 series from APPLE other consumer CPU chips just kind of lame. Really looking forward to see some competition but seriously at the moment and probably in the next 1 or 2 years I doubt it will change much. I would like to be surprised though.

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

The M1 uses the same CPU as the iPhone. So it is about Apple's iPhone CPU core designs, not the M1. Apple's CPUs have been ahead for many years. The Nuvia based CPU from Qualcomm has the potential to shake things up a bit. I have a video about it here on this channel.

@anandsuralkar2947

2 жыл бұрын

its not possible apple uses very expensive fabrication and expensive level2 cache unlike others. so its aomost impossible to match performance of apple cpu. and also apple chips aren't as versetile

@commentarytalk1446

Жыл бұрын

@@anandsuralkar2947 They also have full stack integration as well ie Apple Silicon + MacOS + Apps. Nuvia will "close the gap" but not cross it as it's a moving target, by then Apple M3 etc.

HE's still wearing Android Authority t-shirt without any hesitation.🙂

30% improvement yoy is extremely impressive.

is the cortex x3 a mobile processor?

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

It is a CPU designed to go in mobile processors, i.e in SoCs like Snapdragon, Exynos, and Dimensity.

@monkeslayer-km5ho

Жыл бұрын

It's a core Can be used in mobile processor

WELL THEY HAD TO BE FASTER FOR THE ROBOT ARMY . aye aye aye i forgot moi caps lock . well shit . my appologies eh getics , yeah apollegetics .

Why they focus on “peak performance“. They should focus more on “sustained performance”. thermal throttling is a thing 🤦‍♂️

@Arkan_Fadhila

2 жыл бұрын

Its an SoC designer job not arm

@randomcomment9992

2 жыл бұрын

Because hard to sell the same thing, if "only" has a better efficiency, but peoples don't see any differences in numbers, what showed in the benchmarks. Most of the world is not a tech guy, they need to see the differences in numbers, and sadly the efficiency is only visible in the battery time, but that can be solved just with a bigger battery (and regular people just happy about that, because it's have a bigger battery..)

@deth3021

2 жыл бұрын

Better perf can be used in 2 ways. 1 higher perf at the same power. 2 the same perf at lower power. So arm did what you wwnt, but it's not how they will market it. Nor likely how the system integrators will integrated it. As everyone is doing what the market demands.

Qualcomm bought that company of ex Apple cpu designers, just to use the ARM designs?

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

No, not Arm's designs, Apple's designs. I have several videos about it here on this channel.

Next stop Removing 2G/3G from modem so the SOC have more space

@hellotheir1427

2 жыл бұрын

remove 3g but not 2g

@bungkusi2432

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellotheir1427 2G is also useless now. All country already have very good 4G/5G network.

maybe a FPGA over cloud video, or maybe pretend you have to use only arm based software for your fortune 500 company video?

If licensees create designs in a clean room, why does it matter what ARM creates?

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

I don't quite understand. Most of Arm's clients use CPU cores designed by Arm, only a rare few do their own designs (i.e. Apple).

Still second rate.

why does X2 sucks ?its worse than 845(x1) i guess

@GaryExplains

2 жыл бұрын

The X1 was in the 888 not the 845. Why do you say the X2 was bad? What data are you using to prove that?

Disappointed... Apple's gonna have a bigger lead now ==

@Arkan_Fadhila

2 жыл бұрын

Catching apple design is very difficult task. I still wonder how the hell they can make their cores way faster than any arm design. I don't think arm doing bad but apple definietly did it better

@Lvlaple4Ever

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arkan_Fadhila Nah, ARM is doing bad. Their current A710 and A510 cores are actually worse in performance per watt than the last generation.

@Arkan_Fadhila

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lvlaple4Ever even if intel and amd are fully switch to arm and take several years to close the gap to apple design, i think they never able to surpass apple design. I think It's apple doing way too good compared to the competition. I wonder if close ecosystem make them able to optimize their design better or not.

@randomcomment9992

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arkan_Fadhila I think they have a lead because of they are don't need to make any compromise with any other companies. If you can do everything inside your company, that gives you more possibility (and even if you make compromises with others, you will never allow any outsiders from other company inside your office safe, they are just able to see around in your office, the safe is closed for them, so there are no full access for the outsiders compared to the insiders, what just make things a bit more difficult to work together, and this is why the can't reach the same efficiency and harmony)

@hellotheir1427

2 жыл бұрын

@@randomcomment9992 realize, it was always qualcomm/arm/tsmc since the first iphone. Qualcomm and ARM stagnated. Thank goodness, mediatek, google, nvidia and samsung have jumped in. Qualcomm is pressured to compete better with mediatek, samsung wants to go in house and ARM now is pressured by mediatek to make better cpu's.