Sorry about the sub-par audio everyone. There was an audio recording issue with this one. The next one will be better. If you have seen my previous videos you know that this isn't a general set up issue, I don't need to buy a tie-mic, or add echo dampening or whatever. This was a one-off problem that won't happen again. Thanks for your support and understanding 👍👍

@NicVandEmZ

Жыл бұрын

What about m1 processors in the Macs

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@@NicVandEmZ What about them?

@PrivateSi

Жыл бұрын

@@NicVandEmZ .. Apple paid a huge amount for its licence as ARM has a market volume pricing model, and the M1 is a laptop and desktop consumer chip, so a huge market. Nuvia was a niche server chip originally, that developed an illegal consumer chip and sold itself to Qualcomm on this basis (hence the inflated price paid)). Qualcomm then tried to pass this chip off as one of its own, covered by its consumer chip license.. -- If this precedent is set ARM will have a major headache expanding its market (at a time when competition is set to takeover its market (model) via Risc-V) as granting small start-ups like Nuvia a cheap license can easily be abused by other companies. The potential losses if this happened are huge. ARM has to stand firm and make sure it grabs what it can while it still can, because its days are numbered as it stands, sadly.

@derekchristenson5711

Жыл бұрын

I figured something like that had happened. No worries! Audio was good enough. 🙂 Thanks for this video on this bizarre situation! The way ARM's licensing works is clearly more nuanced than I was aware of.

@FisherGrubb

Жыл бұрын

Don't know why you're apologising for "audio issues", yes, sounds like you're in a smaller room, but .....it's not an issue

This is going to cost Qualcomm an ARM and a leg.

@kicapanmanis1060

Жыл бұрын

Heh good one.

@prithvim7

Жыл бұрын

They are gonna charge us for it

I know who is winning this lawsuit…Apple. Everyone else is losing until this is resolved.

@nil0bject

Жыл бұрын

It’s quite entertaining seeing how Apple changes the world

@lieathie

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, same thoughts. The longer this lawsuit remains unresolved, the longer we won't have high performance ARM laptops like macbooks, which makes more people switch to Apple.

@Deadlines-X

Жыл бұрын

@@lieathie This!

@neliaironwood7573

Жыл бұрын

*128 Core Mac Pro laughing in the distance*

@jaimeduncan6167

Жыл бұрын

Yep because Nuvia is basically Apple processors.

in other words arm says that if u buy a car and marry someone that already had a car you can't use the car of the other or even your own car but buy a new car??? that's ridiculous.

@mbwahaha

Жыл бұрын

But... its not a car.

@imyourdad6690

Жыл бұрын

@@mbwahaha right its even less tangible

@gund89123

Жыл бұрын

Nuvia signed the agreement so they have to follow it.

This whole lawsuit seems like a negotiation tactic, especially considering they’re still doing other business together.

@muddyexport5639

Жыл бұрын

Based on the 2 week check out this design was a bait for ARM to file suit and put more cost into the mix. ARM took the bait. If the professor's read of the contract is correct, then Qualcomm knows it is on very shaky legal ground. So now let's re-negotiate the contract to reduce the overall cost including the lawsuit and "maybe" Qualcomm gets a better deal. Just my layman's outside looking in view. Time will tell.

@youraverage90sguys7

Жыл бұрын

@@muddyexport5639 after the siit the cost will have to be covered by qualcomm, there is no benefit for qualcomm in that sense. theyre simply trying to push boundries and setting new precedents. qualcomm really needs to be put in their place, their near monopoly has made them shitty for years

@LogioTek

Жыл бұрын

@@youraverage90sguys7 Nobody needs to be put in their place. Anyone can contribute to wireless and other standards and they do but the extent to which they contribute is all different. Anyone is free to design their LTE and 5G modems and they do (MediaTek, Samsung, Apple is working on one, and others) it's just not that easy and simple to do it, do it well, and do it on time. You will see this with Apple's modem effort for iPhone 15 launch in late 2023.

@youraverage90sguys7

Жыл бұрын

@@LogioTek i dont understand what any of that has to do with this? qualcomm absolutely needs to be put i their place, so does apple, google, facebook, amazon, microsoft and tesla. im really happy amd did that to intel, we need more of those pinches to their hypothetical chins, keep these companies on their toes,

@LogioTek

Жыл бұрын

@@youraverage90sguys7 You brought up the usual blind hate about Qualcomm. Yet without their innovations whole wireless industry would be years behind. They are where they are and it's well-deserved. People are okay to pay Apple's profit margins in the range of 50-200% (low to high end) markup on BOM cost but not okay to pay 5% wireless IP license capped at $500 device cost maxing out at $25/device. Sounds retarded but that's reality we live in.

Audio coming to you today from within the bathroom.

Qualcomm clearly decided to use this business takeover as an opportunity to test the legal strength of Arm’s contracts, and there willingness to defend them. Microsoft V Apple Windows V macOS! Could last year's..

@jakublizon6375

Жыл бұрын

I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone can think ARM is in the wrong. I mean, if it was in the contract, Qualcomm doesn't get to just ignore provisions any time they're inconvenient. And you're right, Qualcomm had an anti trust case brought against them because of their ridiculously overpriced, overbearing licensing practices. They're extremely greedy and shady.

@robinholmes785

Жыл бұрын

@@jakublizon6375 This is Not about right or wrong, it's about Money! A lot of money!. Any contract is only as strong as how willing one is to defend it. If Qualcomm can convince the judge that the provisions in the contracts are unreasonable then they could start bringing out their own designs without getting ARM’s approval and saving them millions!!

Lots of armchair analysis on this one, but given the way the problem is described, I think it will truly come down to the wording of these corporate license agreements. Everything will be dictated by that and how clever the lawyers were in drafting all this up.

@dinozaurpickupline4221

Жыл бұрын

someone should review the legal work and make it public

He was so shocked his microphone got electrocuted

IMO this lawsuit sets the precedent for more companies to focus on RISC-V custom designs instead of ARM. Software that was adopted to ARM can just as easily adopt to RISC-V perhaps even more so (i.e. move from ARM to RISC-V even simpler than a move from x86 to ARM).

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

I don't think RISC-V won't change situations like this. If SiFive or Imagination licenses its designs or IP to a client and that client breaches those terms there will be legal action. RISC-V doesn't alter that because while the RISC-V specification is open, the designs and IP created around that specification aren't.

@LogioTek

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains True but in the case of Nuvia and Qualcomm, if it was over RISC-V custom design, there would be no problems, considering a lot of CPU IP blocks like fabric interconnect and memory controllers are already being licensed and reused across x86, ARM, and RISC-V designs. In the next decade I see RISC-V ecosystem becoming like Linux today but in hardware realm. Software will follow.

@terribletimes902

Жыл бұрын

Doubt it. Just because one company foolishly didn’t honor their agreements doesn’t mean others have to worry about doing the same

@LogioTek

Жыл бұрын

@@terribletimes902 Save the judgment for the jury and judge.

@nb6175

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains But in this case Nuvia designed the chip, not Arm, isn't that right? So if Nuvia had used risc-v spec there wouldn't be this third party shenanigans, they'd only have to deal with Nuvia. So wouldn't it absolutely change specific situations like this?

Qualcomm should have clarify and reached a license agreement with ARM prior to the purchase of Nuvia. Lawyers failed to do their due diligence.

@terribletimes902

Жыл бұрын

Yep. There goes our chance at capable ARM laptops for another couple years

@poetryflynn3712

Жыл бұрын

@@terribletimes902 There's the M1 technically. I don't know why exactly you'd want this though. The standardization on intel has really advanced the software industry.

@poetryflynn3712

Жыл бұрын

Usually when lawsuits like this are brought up for major companies it's a bargaining point unless it's something huge like a security breach or something.

@yohaneschristianp

Жыл бұрын

@@poetryflynn3712 So it will too if arm standarization goes well

@poetryflynn3712

Жыл бұрын

​@@yohaneschristianp ​ Yeah, the thing is, when that standardization on intel didn't exist software evolved much slower because developers had to spend time optimizing between multiple platforms. While it's good to have competition, it's not great to have it over foundational things such as chip sets. It's realistic to think that it's a choice between one or the other not both.

Battle of the patents and licenses, only the lawyers win.

I've been anticipating this video .....thanks Gary!

My guess is that it does not explicitly state in the licence agreement that design work done under one licence is prohibited from being used under another licence. Arm's argument must be that it is implied... Otherwise, Qualcomm would have no case.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

My understanding from talking to someone close to the issue, is that the license says it explicitly. That is why there was a year of negotiating.

@mskiptr

Жыл бұрын

​@@GaryExplains Well, there's also the possibility that (Qualcomm thinks that) such term would be bogus or incompatible with copyright law in general. Oh well, as always Intellectual 'Property' is a gigantic mess

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@@mskiptr Since Qualcomm also has an architectural license and it signed such a license itself with Arm, with the same clauses, then I doubt it is gambling all this on some interpretation of copyright law.

This is all quite entertaining considering Qualcomm's predatory licensing history. i.e. cellular modems, etc.

Very well put. Love your channel, keep doing what you're doing! Arm didn't sue people often, if I was a betting man, I'd bet on Arm being correct.

Arm wants more money from Qualcomm

@greatMomiz

Жыл бұрын

yea that's all

@GokulRaj-js2zn

Жыл бұрын

And Qualcomm is doing social services

@Ronny999x

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that Billion from Nvidia wasn't enough...

@terribletimes902

Жыл бұрын

More like Qualcomm didn’t honor their agreements

1 minute into the video and I feel the mic/audio quality is little off.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

You are not wrong.

@_Digitalguy

Жыл бұрын

Yep, sounds like a webcam mike

@MemeScreen

Жыл бұрын

More like immediately

@MemeScreen

Жыл бұрын

Very much the fault of the room though

Greedy big business vs greed big business, this is why we need more companies that can compete with these monopolist companies and if possible reduce the strength/ remove patent laws.

@gund89123

Жыл бұрын

Everything should be open source ? Who would invest in R&D ? If they are not making money from products they create ?

@airlink2142

Жыл бұрын

@@gund89123 I did no say open source but I do not agree with the patent laws the way they are. If you have a better idea on how to resolve the the issues that plague the tech world when it comes down to designing/building components that could be the subject of litigation by a large company. And if you are thinking "Maybe they should stop doing whatever they are doing so to not get sued!" then no... just no.

@kicapanmanis1060

Жыл бұрын

- Use an x86 then or open source RISC. They exist lolol. - Nothing is stopping companies from making their own architecture. They use ARM's because they're good. They can make their own OSes for their ISA while they're at it too. Don't forget ARM wasnt much until 2007 either under the existing patent laws you hate. - ARM grants a license to pretty much anybody who requests it based with fee based on their company and product size. That is their whole business model. As a result big and small companies can work with them. Compare this to Intel, where only AMD and 1-2 more companies hold an x86 license (AMD wouldn't even hold it if they didn't invent 64-bif x86). Even then ARM licensed companies compete with each other to offer the best product for reasonable price. - Patent laws only last 15 years, it's pretty reasonable standard for inventions. If they can't make a profit off their inventions (cos people can copy easily) than nobody is going to invest in them. Hardware developement is also quite costly compared to software.

Usually I hear about Qualcom suing everybody and his dog 🤣

@LogioTek

Жыл бұрын

False. The last 3 lawsuits Qualcomm had was Apple+Intel, then FTC (body of US government), and latest before this ARM one was Parker Vision - all of them sued Qualcomm. Qualcomm won vs all 3. Won't be surprised if they win this one because Qualcomm generates over $6B a year from just licensing their wireless technology to others and that means retaining best IP lawyers.

Thanks for video, but I think more graphics and animation would be more exiting to watch as well

Reminds of Intel, Cyrix, VIA(currently known as Zhaoxin) and AMD battles for x86 licence.

6:15 "and you are not allowed to use any of the technology created by Nuvia" What? How can you defend that? ARM can't require people forget what they've learned. ARM can't compel a company to delete their own data. Nuvia could have created a patch file that contains only their changes to the ARM source materials, call it 100% original work. Then apply the patch to Qualcomm's source materials. ARM is in the wrong here. They keep hanging on to the "licenses do not transfer" aspect of the contract. Qualcomm doesn't need to transfer the license because they have their own. Qualcomm purchased knowledge and employee contracts. Qualcomm used their knowledge and their workers to create a chip design with their license. I've heard nothing to suggest any different.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

There is no Arm source material on which to create a patch file. It is a clean room design.

@crhu319

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, it's monopolistic behavior by ARM or rather by NVidia. It's Qualcomm selling the chips, and the architectural license the finished new design is submitted under is Qualcomm's. It's utterly irrelevant how Qualcomm did that development and the code is known to have been developed under a live and legitimate architectural license. The license does not attach to the engineers who are free by law to work in their own profession. Ann Chaplin is correct and not only should they win, Nvidia should be forced to spin off ARM into proper consortium ownership.

@RichardBronosky

Жыл бұрын

​@@GaryExplains I don't understand either of these sentences. Can you please explain?

@GauthamKrishna9991

Жыл бұрын

​@@RichardBronosky Nuvia's design isn't based on the ARM design itself, but it runs ARM's ISA, a la Apple. Chip designs are IPs like Arm Cortex, or Arm Mali, which are designed by Arm, which Qualcomm and MediaTek use. Apple Silicon (and I'd assume Nuvia) might not use Cortex or Mali (their GPU is actually a PowerVR-based design), but can rum ARM's Instruction Set Architecture.

@RichardBronosky

Жыл бұрын

@@GauthamKrishna9991 okay, and what part of that are NVidia using in violation of their license?

So imagine if Nvidia had bought ARM! They would never abuse a position of power ever, would they?

@kicapanmanis1060

Жыл бұрын

Qualcomm is the one abusing here.

Businesses can be partners and competitors. Out of court settlements are a fudge, better for a judge to to determine who is right. as more and more stuff is under licence and contracted out.

well articulated!

What happened to Speed Test G?

Feel like room you are recording in is reflecting the sound. The sound does sound different at least.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

There was an audio setup problem. Next video will be back to normal.

How come apple was fine when they bought PA Semi (Nuvia's founder previous company)?

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

PA Semi didn't have an architectural license from Arm.

Arm shooting themselves in the foot here

He we go again, these corporations and their endless lawsuits 🤦

Is it just me or audio doesn't seem to sound as good as usual, like recorded by a midrange smartphone mic that has low bitrate or an effect of badly implemented noise cancellation.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Yes, there was a problem, the next video will be back to the normal quality.

This seems like a desperate attempt from ARM to keep Qualcomm using their designs for a few more years.

@ABDLLHSDDQI

Жыл бұрын

In this industry, ARM is the only major architecture designer. Everyone uses their architecture. Qualcomm would need to use RISC-V or make up their own after decades of works, neither of which are profitable. ARM is not desperate for anything. They have one of the most powerful intellectual properties that everyone needs.

@arthurdaly3497

Жыл бұрын

@@ABDLLHSDDQI On the Contrary I think ARM is basically commiting suicide

@amosbatto3051

Жыл бұрын

RISC-V might be viable in 5 years, but Qualcomm needs Google and/or Microsoft to port Android, Chrome OS and Windows to RISC-V, which isn't going to happen in the near term, so for now ARM is Qualcomm's only viable option.

@ApacheSenzala

Жыл бұрын

@@amosbatto3051 youre also leavingout all the software tooling that exists for ARM that has yet to be available and widely updated for RISCV

@xr.spedtech

Жыл бұрын

An act of jealousy, I suppose

"Hello there! My Name is Gary Sims and this sounds like i forgot my mic" ;) much love anyways!

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there were some audio issues. Well done for pointing that out, I feel very loved by your comment.

@COMATRON.

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains I'm a longtime fan 'cause you rock - but I'm an audio engineer aswell, sorry bro

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@@COMATRON. Ah, ok, if you are an audio engineer then I accept your comment! 👍😉

Please try to upload this video in Adobe Shasta, you Will be amazed after final results

So ironic that the joke we have about identifying a Qualcomm Engineer as one who is always shadowed by a lawyer. Will be interesting to watch.

It will all come down to the wording in the licence agreement and legal interpretation. This could drag on in the courts and delay any serious competition to Apple Silicon. It would make more sense for Qualcomm and ARM to resolve this outside the courts.

@LogioTek

Жыл бұрын

Or Qualcomm can do like Apple did to them and keep using and shipping chips with Nuvia and just pay later when court makes unfavorable decision. You do know that Apple kept selling phones with Qualcomm modems alongside Intel modems and not paying 2017-2019, right? Then they just settled in 2019 and paid almost $5B lump sum and agreed to new terms for 2020+ when they couldn't do without Qualcomm's 5G. Apple caused a lot of financial hardship for Qualcomm which affected their ability to retain their custom CPU design team which were all let go in 2018.

ARM will never let Qualcom get away with it..

How would this affect other manufacturers?

@gerogyzurkov2259

Жыл бұрын

@@mojojojo1529 You talking Arm suing a big one like Qualcomm.

Was the renegotiation clause actually in the contract/agreement between ARM and Qualcomm? If yes, I don't see how Qualcomm even has a case. And I agree... 2 weeks to develop a new CPU? No. No way.

If this goes to court is it in UK where ARM is based?

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

No. Delaware.

I know this may sound disheartening, but I think you have an issue with echo and it makes this video challenging to watch. I would suggest using some noise cancelling algorithms or tuning your microphone - it sounds really interesting.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

I had an audio setup problem for this video. Previous one was better as will the next one be.

What is that background sound omg

Why audio is echoing

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Because I had an audio issue during recording. Next video will be better.

Yes, appreciate these mobile CPU vids. Any chance they could switch to RISC-V? Wishful thinking I know but I'd love to see a RISC-V alternative to Apple's M1,2 in a Linux compatible fanless high spec laptop.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

RISC-V designs are only just competing with the Cortex-A53, long long way to go yet.

@godnyx117

9 ай бұрын

At the time of writing this, SiFive P870 just announced, and it probably competes with A710 or even X2. How much progress RISCV has made in such a short amount of time is impressive!

Good. Qualcomm getting some of their own medicine.

@Phoenix56801

Жыл бұрын

What did they do?

@crosswhite17

Жыл бұрын

@@Phoenix56801 Charging OEMs a %age of the cost of the device for their modems rather than the same price for the chip. Charging for what are essential patents and should be subject to fair usage. Effectively using their modem patents to prevent OEMs using their own chips in the US. They are a sleezebag company imo.

@Phoenix56801

Жыл бұрын

@@crosswhite17 I agree

Hi Gary, your audio has changed, now sounds like you have reflections and not so damped. Hope this helps.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Really? I hadn't noticed! 😜Unfortunately there was an audio problem with the recording. My previous videos don't have this problem, nor will the next one.

Qualcomm trying to pull a fast one on ARM lol

Can you compare this to the past of how AMD took on Intel, and the x86-64 instruction set allowances?

@dondraper4438

Жыл бұрын

From my understanding, AMD's 64 bit instruction set was so good that Intel dropped their own implementation (Itanium) and had to license AMD's. Which resulted in a cross licensing agreement. Mainly because AMD's x64 instruction set was backwards compatible with x86 instructions, while Itanium was not. So obviously no one wanted abandon all the legacy code written for x86 and Itanium flopped on it's face. I guess my point is this, AMD might have had a similar issue, but they also had a solution that both AMD and Intel desperately needed. The only ARM customer that could possibly be in such a position today is probably Apple.

I think Gary lost his lav mic to the washing machine

I can’t fathom how any of the comments here can side with Qualcomm. The same company that scuffled with Apple and somehow came out looking like the worse company. This amounts to Qualcomm trying to screw ARM over and getting a cheaper deal. They know full well that selling laptop chips under the Qualcomm name means way larger units sold than selling server chips under the newly established Nuvia. The terms would obviously need to be different. Yet rather than re-negotiate, they chose to let Nuvia’s license get terminated and went ahead with their chips anyway. They probably knew they would get sued and plan on dragging this case out until ARM can’t afford it and is forced to re-negotiate. As for ARM being “monopolistic”, keep in mind that Qualcomm has a market cap of 144B and ARM has a cap of around 30B. And Qualcomm are the ones who broke the terms. You’d be hard pressed to find any court that would agree ARM has more leverage here.

@DavidAlsh

Жыл бұрын

I think the comments siding with Qualcomm are partially doing so because of a desire to see ARM chips enter more consumer laptops. Apple ignited the flame with their full day battery life MacBook range and now we just want that same thing but running Windows and/or Linux. Qualcomm should probably have accepted ARMs terms, though ARM licenses are quite pricey.

@terribletimes902

Жыл бұрын

@@mojojojo1529 Qualcomm did not design those chips though. Nuvia did, using their license. Qualcomm then tried to pass it off as their own chip after the sale, which is a clear violation of ARM’s terms

@mutopz

Жыл бұрын

You do not understand business. If they apply for a new license, ARM could say not (it's biggest customer is Apple who has leverage), so does Qualcomm risk losing 1.4billion and the future of their architecture? No lawyer or court can proof that Nuvia engineers produced 100% of the architecture in the Oryon chips and Qualcomm engineers produced 0%. ARM will never succeed in stop Oryon being launched.

Will this "nudge" things towards RISC-V?

@harigovindsrfortechnology

Жыл бұрын

As consumers we'd hope, but companies would hate that. They won't be able to control the market, there'll be too many players

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

RISC-V doesn't solve this. If SiFive or Imagination licenses its designs or IP to a client and that client breaches those terms there will be legal action. RISC-V doesn't alter that because while the RISC-V specification is open the designs and IP created around that specification aren't.

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains but in this case Nuvia/Qualcomm aren't licencing the design or IP from arm, it's a licence to do custom design and IP that is compliant with the arm architecture. If it was done using the RISC-V architecture the equivalent would be Nuvia/Qualcomm developing their own design and IP, not licencing it from SiFive or anyone else, therefore free from any legal action.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@ Yes, indeed. But my point is that RISC-V doesn't solve the licensing/breaking licensing issue in any way significantly because IP is still IP regardless if it comes from Arm or SiFive or whoever..

RISC-V everyone, solves your ARM problems.

ARM seems to be doing INTEL's work for them to support the x86 Laptop |Market.

@garrytuohy9267

Жыл бұрын

@@mojojojo1529 The Laptop Market is dominated by INTEL. Qualcomm is clearly attempting to disrupt that and ARM's Legal Action is preventing it. Hence they are doing INTEL's work; preserving their market dominance. The ARM archeticture is so prevalent that much like a NYC Rat you are never more the 6 feet away from one and I am not talking about iPhones. So Apple would only be their biggest customer in a very small market segment.

The switch to RISC-V can't come soon enough.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that will help much. RISC-V doesn't solve the general problem of license disputes. RISC-V companies like SiFive and Imagination sell IP and designs in a very similar way to Arm. While the RISC-V specification is open, the designs and IP created around that specification aren't. Also, there are currently no competitive RISC-V designs, let alone one that can beat Apple's processors.

It sounds like Qualcomm blundered seriously by not reviewing the license; what value does Nuvia have without that license? Alternatively, they decided to go the shenanigans route. Either way, I can't see where they have a leg to stand on, which is unfortunate for customers. Are they counting on customer pressure to get Arm to back down?

@commentarytalk1446

Жыл бұрын

They'll settle on new terms once the arm-wrestle (ahem) is over...

@virtuallifeform

Жыл бұрын

@@commentarytalk1446 You go to your room and you think about what you just did.

@breechcomet9724

Жыл бұрын

@@commentarytalk1446 good one😂🔥

@stevenliu1377

Жыл бұрын

My guess is that they now go to the judge and claim that ARM has an unfair advantage in these negotiations, since Nuvia is literally worthless without the licenses, which ARM does. I don't think the judge will be too sympathetic, though. The problem is, Qualcomm has to be totally incompetent not to realize that buying Nuvia without resolving the licensing issues arising will give ARM an unfair advantage in negotiations to resolve the licensing issues arising. The judge will probably just go, "ARM does have an unfair advantage in these negotiations, an unfair advantage you have knowingly and willingly given them. It's not the court's job to the bail you out of your own greed and stupidity."

@miles2378

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Apple if forcing Arm to sue Qualcome since they are their main competitors in mobile phones and will lose market share if Qualcom starts introducing high powered laptop chips that can compet with Apple arm chips.

Why are big companies not switching to RISCV and instead paying huge fees for licensing and lawsuits

I get somehow that the license can't be transferred. BUT I don't get why Qualcomm has to scrap all designs that were made under the Nuvia license. One has nothing to do with the other. Especially if Qualcomm has the same license.

@terribletimes902

Жыл бұрын

It’s because rather than negotiate new terms they let Nuvia’s license get terminated. For an entire year they had the chance to take the easier route and not throw out their work but they wanted to screw ARM over

I got m first Mac because of Apple Silicon and I cannot wait what Qualcomm does for Windows machines. In the long run, the consumer wins. The ones who should worry most are Intel and AMD with their outdated architecture that no longer the benefit of being ubiquitous as the reason to exist.

my thought is that there is a difference between developing something and making use of that something. if ARM is in the habit of making contracts based on predictions, then they should have predicted the takeover. it probably is going to come down to the small letters

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

They did predict the takeover and included terms that said the license is only transferable with Arm's consent. That is the whole point! 🤦‍♂️

@xybersurfer

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains i rewatched your video. it must be one a hell of a license, to cover what was already developed under it

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@@mojojojo1529 Really? Everything you just wrote is the opposite to what Arm is claiming in the lawsuit. Do you have information that the rest of us don't?

Video's audio is not good. The content, on the other hand, is of the greatest quality as I expected ^⁠_⁠^

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Yes, sorry, there were some audio issues, you aren't the first to notice. I will do better next time.

@BriefNerdOriginal

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains it actually helped me paying more attention to your voice :⁠-⁠D BTW, does a "RISC-V" ARM-like company exists out there? I'm particularly impressed at what Amazfit in terms of battery life with their smartwatches (now at the 4th generation) who sport RISC-V based SoCs

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@@BriefNerdOriginal SiFive and Imagination both license RISC-V CPU designs.

If Qualcomm absorbs them as normal Qualcomm employees, and Qualcomm wants to make a custom Cpu, like they have done before. Suppose Qualcomm used a new nuvia design based on its own arm license. Is there any problem with that?.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

No there isn't a problem with that, but Arm is claiming that the time scales don't fit for that to be the case.

@Barry4578

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains worst case scenario this will delay launch of the new nuvia cpus. Favouring apple 😈

Microphone you use? Please specify the microphone you use so that I can avoid it with the same energy that I avoid catching the bubonic plague!

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Eh?

@wbwarren57

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains The sound quality in your latest video was very poor. That’s what I was trying to communicate.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

@@wbwarren57 Well if you had read the pinned comment you would know that it has nothing to do with the microphone I am using. Also assuming it was the microphone was a mistake, it wasn't the microphone that caused this problem. Finally, making such hyperbole about plagues etc is unnecessary. But as I said, maybe try reading the pinned comment before making all your exaggerated statements.

@wbwarren57

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains Sorry. I listen to your KZread videos on an iPad and it is not as easy to notice the pinned comments. The hyperbole was never to be amusing. Normally, your videos are extremely well done and have great content and wonderful sound quality. This was an exception.

@lateral1385

Жыл бұрын

@@wbwarren57 Gary’s just being an ass. You’re fine ❤

There has to be something more to this story because the way its told currently makes Qualcomm seem incompetent.

@eruptic6503

Жыл бұрын

Qualcomm have probably the best legal team in silicon valley. Ive never heard them lose a lawsuit and theyve even recently won against apple. If Qualcomm allowed it to get to this point they're pretty certain that they won't lose the case.

Can nuvia CPU beat apple silicon

This is a negotiation, not the OJ Simpson trial.

Ah yes, the _Intellectual 'Property'_ mess continues

@gund89123

Жыл бұрын

Some one has to spend money to develop new technology, development is not free. And they have to recover development cost.

Will be a big move to RISC V

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Why? The three biggest RISC-V companies all license their designs in a very similar way to Arm.

Risc V on my mind!

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

RISC-V won't change situations like this. If SiFive or Imagination licenses its designs or IP to a client and that client breaches those terms there will be legal action. RISC-V doesn't alter that because while the RISC-V specification is open the designs and IP created around that specification aren't.

Will more companies move to RISC-V, due to this lawsuit. I know there were talks about that when nVidia was in talks to buy ARM.

@qas.2344

Жыл бұрын

Hello bro

@qas.2344

Жыл бұрын

Risc V. Apple company

simply put, US lawyers will decide, who will be fucked up;

arm is owned by japanese bank softbank

Qualcomm should know better.The Qualcomm vs Apple ordeal via modems?

@tyu7632

3 ай бұрын

And qualcom win

Everybody: Qualcomm Me: Gary's audio..

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Which tells us what about you? 😜

@maxxwellwalt

Жыл бұрын

​@@GaryExplains​ I thought my 2016 LG v20 loud speaker has started acting up so I started watching other random videos then to be sure its ok, I watched your previous video then I started smiling. 🤣🤣🤣😁😁

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I had an audio problem with this one. Next one will be better.

the audio in this video was pretty bad, especially the high pitched droning of the background music

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sorry about. You aren't the first person to mention it. I think I will create a pinned comment. There was an audio setup problem. Next video will be back to normal.

Does not matter who is right or wrong; if a vendor sues their client, it WILL backfire in the long run. Take Oracle and IBM - probably the two most hated companies in the IT industry right now because they try so squeeze every last sent they can out of their clients - not by upselling - but by threatening/legally. Everyone is actively working to get these two out of their ecosystems as a result. Microsoft used to be like that under Balmer but completely different under Stadya and actually people starting to like them - i.e. buying their stuff - as a result (Heck, Azure is gaining on the back of AWS’s decline).

You're in a different room from the last video?

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

No. There was an audio setup problem. Next video will be back to normal.

This situation perfectly describes US politics 👍🏾

The sound quality is terrible. Turned off after couple of seconds

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Sorry about that. There was a problem, the next video will be back to the normal quality.

strong Arm ed

This 'Buying a company for it's license' seems to work in the PC market for x86 and how many times names like VIA, Cyrix etc have been prized commodities specifically FOR their x86 licensing. I guess the x86 example in question must be perpetual where as ARM licensing (even for products they have very little do do with designing) is much more strict. ARM will end up the 'Bad Guy' in this situation, pointing more Chip developers to IBM's Core IP.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

If that is what the license that Nuvia signed stated, then how can Arm be the bad guy for enforcing the terms of the contract? If your employer got bought and your new boss changed the terms of your employment without notice and without your agreement, you are saying that you should just accept it since the company got bought. I doubt you would accept that.

Every party needs more money, no one agrees with other's terms, don't know but seems like Apple had a fingering in this situation, atleast nuvia might be in better position if used RISC-V.

Meanwhile, potential customers suffer. A potentially good processor will either be delayed or kept from the market altogether, probably because Arm's management got greedy.

Did you record this in your bathroom lol echo lol 😂😆😆😂

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious

Just stop Qualcomm to produce cpu using arm tech. It will stop Qualcomm overnight.

What a mess. Arm's licensing really kills off the idea of a small and nimble company creating something in the hopes of selling themselves to a larger company, something which happens in other tech areas all the time. It really gives Arm WAY too much leverage when one company acquires another.

@terribletimes902

Жыл бұрын

A small company like Nuvia selling server chips is a completely different ballpark than Qualcomm selling laptop chips in terms of units sold. The terms would not be the same had Qualcomm designed their own ARM chips for laptops without Nuvia, so why should they be the same now? This is just Qualcomm being the shitty company they have always been. I can’t imagine any other company trying to pull this stunt

Basically ARM can render the whole acquisition useless. In this instance it just doesn't make sense.

it is common sense that if both companies have the license, and they are not doing something that not agreed with ARM, then what the hell!!

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

What about the volume and royalty issues?

@thaernejem7317

Жыл бұрын

@@GaryExplains if I understand your video correctly, the purpose of the license has not changed, and the production volume is sure will increase hence ARM is being paid more, and still they are obliged to follow ARM architecture, then why ARM is unhappy? Unless ARM thinks that maybe after this acquisition, Qualcomm may be a possible competitor to ARM given the company size. I might be 98% wrong but I tried 😁

@thaernejem7317

Жыл бұрын

And yes, Qualcomm lawyers should though about this and made it clear with ARM lawyers before they bought the other company.

Making Arm basically able to ask ridiculous prices or Nuvia becomes little more then an empty package. Sounds like a very stupid move from Qualcomm to not have solved this as part of the deal with Nuvia. Some lawyers are about to get fired at Qualcomm because this Arm has a hand and it has Qualcomm by the balls.

@MatrixJockey

Жыл бұрын

Qualcomm is wrong point-blank

I think Nuvia cores will be based on Arm (likely Armv9) so... That's hypocritical of Arm to do this

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

What difference does the architecture level have on the legal position?

It would be nice to have an M1 competitor that Linux can support without reverse engineering.

So moral of the story is to make RISC-V chips and don't mess with arm cause they don't play ball.

@gund89123

Жыл бұрын

If businesses can use RISC-V architecture to make processors they could, i am sure some one owns IP for RISC, even though it is open source.

If I were Qualcomm, I would be switching to RISC-V... Couldn't be that vastly different to ARM, and has none of the license issues.

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

You expecting a version of Windows for RISC-V any time soon?

Michael Cain needs to shave. Jk great video.

Arm should have purchased Nuvia from Qualcomm. Qualcomm is right about this ( since they already have license).

I really hope this does not delay Nuvia, even if it means than ARM loses completely

@vinnytube1001

Жыл бұрын

In theory Nuvia can come to market exactly as planned, unless ARM seeks an injunction, but in reality ARM will probably let everything proceed and then (if successful) seek their licensing fee on each core sold before they win the judgment, and then moving forward after that it'll be built in.

@GokulRaj-js2zn

Жыл бұрын

If everyone thinks like this and doesn’t honour contracts, then corporates are also right in being selfish I guess.

@youraverage90sguys7

Жыл бұрын

nuvia is not coming to market anymore, that project has been nixed. they were bought same reason google bought motorola, nothing more than legal framework, but in this case, unlike google with motorola they dont have a leg to stand on

@_Digitalguy

Жыл бұрын

@@youraverage90sguys7 nuvia is coming to the market, but not for servers, for laptops, but it's coming under the Snapdragon name... it may be delayed in the worst case scenario

@youraverage90sguys7

Жыл бұрын

@@_Digitalguy they simply bought the talent and got rid of competition, nuvias ideas are done for

WOOOW!.. What a Pickle. Hmm...

ARM is just greedy at this stage. Afterall, Qualcomm already has a licence. What did it matter how the research came to exist whether internal or external to Qualcomm? The fact is, Qualcomm is licensed to ship out ARM processors.

*Gary!!!* Good morning Professor! Good morning fellow classmates! Stay safe out there everyone!

@GaryExplains

Жыл бұрын

MARK!!!

Does Nvidia still own ARM?

@casperes0912

Жыл бұрын

They never did. They wanted to buy it, but the deal never went through. ARM is owned by SoftBank who's still looking for a buyer