Paddy's drop in popularity over 7 days is unprecedented.

@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection

Жыл бұрын

mma fans are fickle. They turned on Khamzat and Sterling quickly also. It is what it is lol

@KeyserSoze23

Жыл бұрын

@@EuroMaidanWasAnInsurrection This isn't fickle it's deserved. Paddy never had the talent to back up the hype, it took a year or so for most UFC fans to finally get the memo on that.

@DM-sy4hg

Жыл бұрын

It's amazing. Everyone thinks he lost. I was watching Big Johns podcast and I have never heard them be that blunt about how mediocre a fighter is. They were running down possible matchups and were like.."he would die against this guy."

@danielmma1875

Жыл бұрын

@@DM-sy4hg I seen that. They made paddy sound like he is a trash fighter lol 😂

@bigmaryhelen

Жыл бұрын

Totally.

Paddy asking for a performance bonus was absolutely insane

@markroyds23

Жыл бұрын

Guy was basically begging for it after, screaming after Dana thirsty as hell for that 50k.....

@findaq

Жыл бұрын

Paddy won the gift of the night

@tmillz120

Жыл бұрын

Everything about it was just yuck

@ChicagoMike85

Жыл бұрын

@@markroyds23 there is an old saying “closed mouthes don’t get fed” that I think bc applies here

@rybacksmith2672

Жыл бұрын

they fixed the fight for paddy to win because they want to build him up as a huge superstar.

The fact that this decision is still being talked about is a testament to how bad it was. Most are forgotten by Sunday morning.

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

To the contrary, I think if the same performance we saw for Paddy was the case for, say, Wonderboy vs Burns or Belal, with the latter holding Wonderboy against the fence, but getting elbowed in the head in the process, and with Wonderboy getting four additional significant strikes in the 2nd and two more in the 3rd, fewer people would question who did more damage in the 2nd and 3rd, and that damage criteria would be the main factor as to who won 29-28. It wouldn't be seen as a robbery, and vastly fewer people would complain if Wonderboy (Paddy) was awarded the win in that case (those extra 4 + 2 significant strikes in the 2nd and 3rd are the case for Paddy against Gordon). I think Paddy being such sore 'winner' and having an unintended heel turn throughout the week soured viewers, and resulted in them seeing him getting controlled as a sure sign of losing, and not paying attention to the damage trumps all judging system

@thomassmith6638

Жыл бұрын

This is so accurate 👏

@liuooop38101

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesthompson9003 kid do u know belal and burns did not let wonderboy move

@jamesthompson9003

Жыл бұрын

@@liuooop38101 Kid did you know the example I used had nothing to do about the actual times Burns and Belal fought Wonderboy? I said if when Wonderboy (a guy with more popular credibility in the last week than Paddy) fought one of those two (or Sean Brady, or another grappler if it helps you understand), and it went down identically to how Paddy vs Gordon went, I can't see many people suggesting that Wonderboy was robbed in the case he'd landed more significant strikes in the 2nd and 3rd. The argument that he did more damage would hold, seeing as the new rules don't give much value to takedowns and holding against the fence. There would be no way this would be called robbery if it went down with a guy that wasn't massively hated in the last week

@Tony525_

Жыл бұрын

If Paddy didn't go after Ariel it probably would've died out

Congrats to Paddy on winning “Gift of the Night”! 👏👏

@vlada

Жыл бұрын

grift, gift. potato, potatoe.

@mattborton9696

Жыл бұрын

Laddy the Fatty?

@michaelmashburn6068

Жыл бұрын

And he wanted a bonus on top of that

@capt_n_clemons377

Жыл бұрын

😂

How awkward was it when paddy made the joke to Joe rogan about paying

@MrBoDiggety

Жыл бұрын

Awkward is an understatement

@nickchivers9029

Жыл бұрын

Lol the way Joe just no sold it like a boss.

Just because the judges aren’t officially on their payroll doesn’t mean a few aren’t on their “payroll”

@JRF1004

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@G0rdonFr33man

Жыл бұрын

Las Vegas owners own judges and UFC and the bookies. This is rigged as rigged gets.

@michaelmorgan6905

Жыл бұрын

I just said this s*** right before I read what you wrote

@marioiglesias4850

Жыл бұрын

the guy who said judges and the UFC are independent parties lives in Disneyland, he must think corruption does not exist in this world or something

@jock4551

Жыл бұрын

I mean, they have some mob bosses walking around during weigh-ins. It tells you what kind of connections UFC has.

I can't think of many worse decisions in the history of the UFC. Most of the controversial ones are still pretty debatable but this was such a clear win for Gordon.

@ryannath85

Жыл бұрын

Nam Pham vs Leonard Garcia decision was a head scratcher years ago. If you can find it online and watch it you'll be like "wtf were they watching?"

@schism6976

Жыл бұрын

@@ryannath85 yes! I remember that one. Crazy stuff

@nextjin

Жыл бұрын

This was bad but GSP vs Big Rig was worse imo. Which again, was highly favorable to the UFCs bottom line.

@ThatNorwegianGuy-

Жыл бұрын

Reyes vs Jones comes to mind.. he clearly won the first 3, then looked semi trash the last two. The blatant favoritism going in the UFC is nuts

@chikon1409

Жыл бұрын

Lol casual

Paddy can’t understand why Ariel is getting support. Paddy can’t understand why people think Gordon won. “Paddy’s a little bit stupid.” -Chael Sonnen

@Prbkkb

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 did he say that I read it in his voice

@sinnder

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson 2 of the 3 judges gave Gordon the 3rd round. Did Paddy take the 3rd round off harder?

@sinnder

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson You were saying Gordon "took an entire round off," I assume you mean the 3rd round? Dana White said as much, that Gordon shouldn't have taken off the 3rd round by holding Paddy agains the cage the whole time. Funnily enough, Paddy claimed HE is the one who coasted the 3rd round. Go figure.

@suj1201

Жыл бұрын

@@Prbkkb Yes, he did. Search Chael's YT channel for "Paddy the Baddy has a case of the stupids" 😂

@suj1201

Жыл бұрын

@@regisjohnson4958 I don't think it's a robbery either. I felt Gordon did enough to win all three rounds, but the fight on the whole was close. Hard to call it a robbery when the fight was competitive. I think it's Paddy's inability to recognize it was a close fight, and telling others who disagree with the decision that they don't know anything about fighting and to eat his a*****e is what many find off putting.

One thing that is not being talked about on top Gordon doing more than enough to win these rounds is how many of Paddy's strikes did NOT actually land. For anyone paying close attention to that fight the majority of Paddy's shots where blocked by Gordon and hitting his glove. The crowd was lighting up every time Patty threw a combination but hardly anything was landing clean. The judges seemed to be more influenced by crowd reaction than where his shots were actually landing. Gordon himself said in a TMZ interview today that only a few shots grazed him and bruised him, the rest hit his glove. So it even further proves Paddy did not win this fight.

@kyleleonard6005

Жыл бұрын

SO TRUE.

@sandeheh3371

Жыл бұрын

Exactly how it went man. Crowd went crazy when paddy threw shots and backed Gordon down but almost every shot landed on Gordon's glove ahah

@thekevinfoster

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought. Some shots got around Gordon’s guard and Paddy had some decent kicks, but these strikes came nowhere close to the number of flush shots that Paddy took. Gordon was landing far better from what I saw in my first watch, especially the first round

@alyberop1

Жыл бұрын

So if Ronda lasted a meer 24 minutes and 15 seconds longer she might have won a decision 🤔🤔 so close

@bmoredrew4724

Жыл бұрын

The judges allow the crowd to influence them too much your right every time Paddy threw anything the crowd was going wild smh...I saw someone try and compare Paddy and Conor you can't compare the two

I thought Ariel was just an instigator but he seems to have pretty good reasoning and logic. I think Dana doesnt like him cause he exposes Dana and the UFC

@stevethedweeb3846

Жыл бұрын

How are you only just realising this now?

@tozot2

Жыл бұрын

@@stevethedweeb3846 many people don't

@bradynshenberger2940

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, welcome to the club! Journalists should never be popular among millionaires, if rich men hate ariel, that's a good thing

@DrSpaceman69

Жыл бұрын

@@bradynshenberger2940 preach bro

@arsarcanum1123

Жыл бұрын

In the early years of MMA Ariel was kind of instigator and douchey, but now he has come a long way and I can see his credibility

There should be live scoring. No other sport keeps the scores secret until the end. The fighters should be able to know how they’re doing during the fight. Keep each judge accountable as the fight rolls on, so there can be live accountability for their decisions in front of thousands of people. The pressure from so many eyes will make the scores conform to reality naturally.

"did anyone with some notoriety, anyone that's not in a 5 dollar wig give the fight to Paddy?" LOL Ariel is funny

@samuraijack0876

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@ezradaiquiri11311

Жыл бұрын

What the eff is wrong with rick?! The guy always has a chip on his shoulder and try's to delegate truth and logic with his ego's own sense of Intelligence. It's obnoxious dude. Everyone needs to put Douglass Crosby on blast! Fire that judge! The fact that Ariel is the only journalist talking about this issue in detail, shows how dumb and dirty dana and the rest of the mma community is.

Love your opinions and analysis, Ariel. I’ve been following you since early 2009. It’s awesome that you’ve not let the additional fame go to your head. However, I have seen you grow more confident over time. You win MMA journalist of the Year every year for good reason. You’re unafraid to speak your mind. And you support your opinions with data/receipts. I may not always agree, but I always respect your thought process and how you reach the conclusions you have. Respect! 👊

@kd3283

Жыл бұрын

Get off his nuts, and no before anyone replies i don’t like Paddy

@sallgoodman2323

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Cheers! 💯🇨🇦👍

@fugginrambo

Жыл бұрын

It went straight to his shnozz

@ufcfanatic8178

Жыл бұрын

@@fugginrambo yes you get the point 😂

It’s crazy because Doug Crosby scored both of those fights for 2 different styles lol. He gave Sabatello the fight for wrestling & control time but gave Paddy the fight on damage.

@numbersix9468

Жыл бұрын

GET IN THE HOLE DOUG

"It's safe to say the Judges aren't being influenced by the UFC"? One of the Fertittas was a member of the Neveda Athletic Commission. They said themselves that the judging is a constant issue. Paddy and Omalley are both fighters that are being pushed by the UFC and both of those guys recently won fights that nobody thought they should've won. Its pretty clear what's going on here. The fight business has ALWAYS been corrupt.

@Ishbikes

Жыл бұрын

Hmm as someone who’s been in boxing for 21 years, someone who’s a boxing trainer, you mma fans have had knives to our throats. Never turning down a opportunity to kick our sport down. I knew it would come a day where you as well, would experience some of the worst things boxing fans go through. Welcome to that time, welcome to the corruption. It won’t change, it’s here to stay. It’s cancer, already too late though. It’s here. How’s it feel? How’s it feel to know a sport you love has been corrupted? Crawling with snake oil salesman and leashes.

@Ishbikes

Жыл бұрын

And I never knew that mafia family(not me stereotyping, Conor himself said that Family was Mob related)was apart of that commission. Mob guys ALWAYS have been around the fight business

@SuperBlueMoonWA

Жыл бұрын

Bro don't put omalley in this conversation. He had a tough close fight with the #1 bantamweight. Paddy got 30-27'ed by JARED GORDON

@GT-mn3bx

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. I don't understand why Yans team didn't tell him he has to have a finish over OMethy to win. Same for Gordon.

@sonnycusa

Жыл бұрын

Then complain to the NSAC!! Don't blame Dana and the UFC! There have been many fights that Dana complained about the decision of the judges.

Not even a huge fan of Ariel. But proper respect to the main Mma journalist of our generation 🙏 Ariel deserves better

Does anyone remember a month or two ago where the scorecard was changed in the middle of the octagon? That seems a lot more suspect now.

@Ckwisall

Жыл бұрын

I lost money on that Karolina fight, and the Gordon fight 😅 I'm sure many people did, its rigged

Put Paddy against Dan Hooker. Huge step up for Paddy and an even bigger pay day for Dan. Dan gets the W in my opinion and this whole Paddy fad gets put to an end. Coming from someone who liked this dude and the energy he brought to the sport, his reputation is like a slow burning house about the collapse on itself.

@weezybaby226

Жыл бұрын

Dan fights in slow motion now idk I think paddy could sub him. But I agree with everything else

@timw4432

Жыл бұрын

@@weezybaby226Paddy walks in a landmine with Dan

@GT-mn3bx

Жыл бұрын

Dan will lose without a finish. You cannot win a decision against Paddy, OMethy, or Conor.

@kyleinggo

Жыл бұрын

Dan will knock paddy out cold

@LakeNonaFan

Жыл бұрын

good matchmaking

I'm sure Dana has some judge's and some of the commission in his pocket 🤫

@Ishbikes

Жыл бұрын

Hmm as someone who’s been in boxing for 21 years, someone who’s a boxing trainer, you mma fans have had knives to our throats. Never turning down a chance to kick our sport down. I knew it would come a day where you as well, would experience some of the worst things boxing fans go through. Welcome to that time, welcome to the corruption. It won’t change, it’s here to stay. It’s cancer, already too late though. It’s here. How’s it feel? How’s it feel to know a sport you love has been corrupted? Crawling with snake oil salesman and leashes.

@TheDildaddy

Жыл бұрын

@@Ishbikes you can tell you’re older lol nobody uses the term snake oil salesman anymore. But you right 😢😂

@Ishbikes

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDildaddy 🤣lol yea man, I’ll be 40 in a few years.. the lingo has definitely changed

@brodyhall

Жыл бұрын

​@@Ishbikes Damn, I'm 33 and use the term snake oil salesman. Am I "older," too?

@Ishbikes

Жыл бұрын

@@brodyhall It’s all perception and relative, we learned that phrase from the generation before us. I had a meeting yesterday, the guy was 61..I told him I was getting older, then he proceeded to call me “a baby.” “34? Man you’re a baby.” Same as I would call someone in their early 20’s who felt they were old. It’s business still to be done, Dana White didn’t become financially free until his late 30’s. He was the face at 33 but he wasn’t a millionaire..the Fertitta brothers were the billionaires who owned the company.

Easiest way to fix this is to get rid of the judges and have all fights be to the death.

@melancholymartialarts7095

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 Diaz fans all over this. He WoULDve WoN iF tHEre wAS nO TiiME lIMit

@ThatNorwegianGuy-

Жыл бұрын

*The rebuilding of the Colosseum has commenced*

@remix-yy1hs

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatNorwegianGuy- i need work bro. Remember me mr foreman

Between the beef with Ariel, the lackluster performance, and begging Dana for 50K, I’ve lost a ton of respect for Paddy over the last 5 days

As if Dave Portnoy isn’t biased in this situation lol

Ariel is a beast. He is a shining example that you do not need to resort to violence to destroy someone. Long love the GOAT 🐐 Helwani. Big up from the UK!

Paddy had the nerve to tell Rogan that he would be paying Paddy for an interview

@jonasdauerbrenner6432

Жыл бұрын

hes in over his head rn

I said multiple times the ONLY round Paddy could've won would be the second. And I didn't even think he won that, but I thought one of the judges could slip it to him. I'm glad you all agreed with me.

ufc had a "boxing is dead" moment and I'm so glad I missed this PPV.

@iiRolltide

Жыл бұрын

Na actually the ppv itself was fire! The whole card was finished up until the co main. It sucks all everyone is talking about is 2 fights on a card that had 10 finishes in a row.

@coryfusting9294

Жыл бұрын

@@iiRolltide that's what I've heard after seeing the initial result of the main event and then reading more into it. It sucks for the undercard that the two big fights overshadowed everything else.

@abdulkarimelnaas7595

Жыл бұрын

@@coryfusting9294 The main event was a great, back and forth fight. It's just the judging of the comain and maybe the main too and a combination of Dana White throwing the main event under the bus for no reason as well as Joe Rogan totally disrespecting Jan in the post fight interview.

@Ishbikes

Жыл бұрын

Hmm as someone who’s been in boxing for 21 years, someone who’s a boxing trainer, you mma fans have had knives to our throats. Never turning down a chance to kick our sport down. I knew it would come a day where you as well, would experience some of the worst things boxing fans go through. Welcome to that time, welcome to the corruption. It won’t change, it’s here to stay. It’s cancer, already too late though. It’s here. How’s it feel? How’s it feel to know a sport you love has been corrupted? Crawling with snake oil salesman and leashes.

@iiRolltide

Жыл бұрын

@@abdulkarimelnaas7595 honestly I kinda feel Dana a little with the main event. I enjoyed the fight overall until the last round and only because we’d have a light heavyweight champion right now if Jan doesn’t panic and fall over. Dude literally gave magomed a 10-8 round. If he doesn’t just fall over like that they likely end up on the feet longer and is more competitive in the last round and there is no 10-8 and he wins fight. I was watching it with a buddy and when he fell over we were both actually disgusted because we knew there was no chance he was getting up after that.

The criteria is pretty decent but judges suck at executing it.

@melancholymartialarts7095

Жыл бұрын

More judges. 7 judges. All who are previous fighters in some form or another

@erickbolden2584

Жыл бұрын

They need to change the wording if impact to damage.

@TheEvolver311

Жыл бұрын

Not really the scoring system was just taking Boxing scoring and alter it slightly for MMA.

@heassik3088

Жыл бұрын

They need atleast 5 judges, who are not biased, Sal d'amato is a shitty judge, you know when he's in the arena, there's going to be a dumb robbery

@GT-mn3bx

Жыл бұрын

@@melancholymartialarts7095 That really just costs Dana and the UFC or whoever more money in payoffs.

15:30 I get it BUT when promoters have the power/authority/influence to not want certain judges on their cards, that will create other problems. U know what I'm getting at right? That means promoters COULD also use their power to influence the judges' scoring - "if u don't do this, we don't want u on our cards" Under the circumstances, it's an unlikely that big promoters would do that since the risk is tremendous but it does put the promoters in position to do so. Great discussion btw, keep it up

These are the conversations that need to be had.

I agree 100% with Ariel. I’ve never really thought the UFC blatantly fixes fights, but I do think there are instances where they make it clear who they want to win, which will influence the judges

@ezradaiquiri11311

Жыл бұрын

What the eff is wrong with rick?! The guy always has a chip on his shoulder and try's to delegate truth and logic with his ego's own sense of Intelligence. It's obnoxious dude. Everyone needs to put Douglass Crosby on blast! Fire that judge! The fact that Ariel is the only journalist talking about this issue in detail, shows how dumb and dirty dana and the rest of the mma community is.

@ezradaiquiri11311

Жыл бұрын

​@Regis Johnson found the one out of 10 blonde haired clown who won't except that paddy lost, like literally every other fan, professional, and content creator knows 🤣

@jayfaulkner2602

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson You have an unpopular opinion, most people disagree. So theres that. Hard to argue that you're right when everyone disagrees with you.

@SteveAustin-mo2ve

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson so 99% of people are wrong, and you`re part of the 1% who got it all figured out? LMAOOOO. not sure what world you live in. stop embarassing yourself in the comment section

@SteveAustin-mo2ve

Жыл бұрын

@Regis Johnson the decision was so bad those judges are under criminal investigation. douglas crosby, one of the judges is facing possible jail time. why is that, since it was such a great decision. when was the last time any mma judge was under investigation. thats how bad the decision was

Paddy will get the Jim Miller & Joe Lauzon schedule for 2023

Some fighters take damage worse than others, for example GSP.. He bruised up before the round was over. So visual damage is very subjective. Paddy lost simple, somehow think he won. Jan is a true gentlemen, he knows who won. Paddy reminds me of Sean, now Paddy made the "I want to see him KO'd" list.

@Turppa21

Жыл бұрын

Omalley did actual damage and was landing good shots

@SuperBlueMoonWA

Жыл бұрын

Ankalaev got beat up for three rounds then turned into a wet blanket. Cut him from the UFC

@thenedsmmachannel8970

Жыл бұрын

Sean actually had a close fight though. Rocked Yan in the 2nd and 3rd. Paddy clearly lost 2 rounds

Paddy asking for FOTN after that performance is hilarious.

Nothing will ever change. The fighter that brings in more views starts with a 10-9 automatically.

Out of 24 media judges 11 had it 3-0 Gordon 12 had it 2-1 Gordon 1 had it 2-1 Paddy Crazy they gave him a unanimous decision.

I'll tell you one thing for sure, Ariel genuinely loves this sport, maybe more than anyone. He cares about the integrity of this sport more than he cares about people's opinions or his personal relationships with the MMA world. Ariel is responsible for MMA being what it is today, given he's always used his platform to promote a sport and an organization that doesn't appreciate him of want him around, in the UFC. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.

We need a whole new system. Get rid of significant strikes and change the system to: standing strikes, grounded strikes with control and grounded strikes without control. This means that every strike on the feet is the exact same in terms of how much it means except for knockdowns and when the opponent is visibly rocked. Also, it means that control on the ground and in clinch positions means a lot more and is added with standing strikes. So for example if you had a fighter with 60 standing strikes and 10 grounded strikes without control. Then you had a fighter with 51 standing strikes but 11 with ground control. The fighter with 11 and 51 would win the round in terms of striking. This would make grapplers stall less because they can dominate with grounded strikes and make up for lost standing strikes. Also it means the bottom fighter or the fighter without control would try to transition more making it a more entertaining fight and more fair to grapplers. For the grappling element I think it should remain the same in terms of control. So full guard is a neutral position. Dominant positions are where you have control over your opponent and if you strike from these positions you get grounded strikes with control. Clinching against the cage and being unable to take your opponent down should result in the referee moving the fighters back to the middle of the octagon. If they fail to do this it doesn’t count as cage control if the fighter holding the fighter against the cage isn’t either trying to transition or if they aren’t trying to land strikes. Holding against the cage is a defensive position if it isn’t for you trying to move on with the fight and it rewards the fighter for having good TTD. Takedown defence should also be rewarded more. If you have either the same or more takedown defences than you’re opponents takedowns that means you’ve beat them in the grappling element in that round. Unless you’re 1-1 and 0-0 for takedowns vs takedown defence.

The fact it was unanimous for paddy is crazy

Very enjoyable interview 👏 enjoyed the back and forth between you 3. I felt in the conversation with you all, agree with all of you but the dude in the black shirt is spot on all around

Love you Ariel.. straight up and to the point.. Honest 🙏

@ezradaiquiri11311

Жыл бұрын

What the eff is wrong with rick?! The guy always has a chip on his shoulder and try's to delegate truth and logic with his ego's own sense of Intelligence. It's obnoxious dude. Everyone needs to put Douglass Crosby on blast! Fire that judge! The fact that Ariel is the only journalist talking about this issue in detail, shows how dumb and dirty dana and the rest of the mma community is.

black shirt needs to stop looking to his right every 10 seconds LOL

@tozot2

Жыл бұрын

More like three seconds 😜

@danijaldblr3388

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he is haunted by ghosts who knows

Good stuff as always Ariel. Keep this big bus you got now on rolling!

It would be prudent to define what separate means in this context. For example would it be legal for judges to go to dinner with a promoter?

Ariel has protected the integrity of the sport of MMA for a long time now. The hero we need

Just imagine if the rolls were reversed. And Paddy performed like Jared and Jared like paddy.. then they gave Jared the fight with paddy's performance.. What do you thing would be happening

@lacosa24x

Жыл бұрын

Facts

After the Suga Sean v Jan decision combined with ufc 282 Im fairly certain that the UFC is well aware of the faulty judging system and they are not changing them (even tho the sport is still young and it would be more than logical in this situation) exactly because such an abstract system can be interpreted is so many ways. That way the UFC, with support from the judging commisions, can get the result they want in any fight that went to decision. They arent even being subtle with it anymore as shown in ufc 282.

Always been confused about the Nottingham Forrest banner in the background but now he has their logo on his laptop as well , can anyone explain why this is ??

ny rick is like killashaw talks alot but beats around the bush and goes into nothing

I completely agree with Ariel the problem is the judges and not the criteria. There’s a bigger perpetual problem at work here. It’s not that the judges are scoring the fights differently than the spectators. They’re scoring it differently amongst themselves as well!

I think it also needs to have clearer judging scoring and what they consider more valuable in a fight

About time talking about the judging. Most bad judging is in Vegas and Dana in the past over 20 yrs ago talked about the bad judging in Vegas and was worried about it.

New York Ric always try to act like he's the smartest guy in the room. His takes on this segment were all terrible

@runawayuniverse

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing.

Man, if we under the impression that UFC or the boxing orgs have 0 weight over the judges… kool aid.

The criteria should be how many standard deviations you fall on average from the other two judges.

During the broadcast Joe Rogan asked Daniel Cormier "How many decisions did we have tonight? And Cormier said don't ask that question and shut him down. It was weird.

@sagralroomy6650

Жыл бұрын

yeah what was that about???

@alexbrooker6922

Жыл бұрын

He meant it as in don’t jinx it because he was enjoying the finishes

The judging here reminds me of Rampage vs Machida. After Rampage got the decision he got on the mic and said basically "I don't know how I got the decision. I feel like I just got my ass kicked."

@cblanco69

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@nickchivers9029

Жыл бұрын

Rampage a real one.

If damage/impact is the most important factor then why did gordon lose And if control time doesn't matter why did it matter on two of the judges scorecards in that third round Either the judges don't understand the rules or like the 90% of the fandom don't, so either change the judges or change the criteria, because this is clearly not working and it hasn't been working for a long time now, there's like a bad decision every other saturday

This feels like a **beginning of the end** for MMA

@mikeypotts4732

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100% exactly how I felt. Beginning of the end

@justinsmith424

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Since the Diaz ppv they lost they lost something

@_zane1345

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especially after the rumours of jorge getting the title shot for edwards. This does feel like the end.

@danijaldblr3388

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I think one FC can save the Show

@melancholymartialarts7095

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Not mma, for UFC

Ariel helwani is keeping mma Alive.

I agree with how Ali addressed the issue and tweeted that his fighters will not fight if the commission assigns certain judges to judge the fight. The UFC clearly doesn't care to address the problem. It forces parties to take action immediately and is the best short term solution to the problem. Bad judges have no incentive to change currently.

Well said

judges honestly ruined what should have been a great card, Magomed's performance/comeback should be a moment in history but now its a black mark that the UFC wants to forget.

@ZakiBTW

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fr man

what is the outcome of changing to 5 judges or 7 judges ????? would it change???

That’s alarming, should be on the news networks

The fact Gordon lost because 2 judges gave Paddy r1 is absurd

@patternsintheivy1

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I thought Gordon won the first round when I first saw it, but after rewatching it, the argument for Paddy winning it is clear. He was far more active throughout the round. Gordon was on defense the majority of the round and got a takedown. Getting a takedown with no time left, and doing nothing with it, doesn't auto-win rounds anymore. It was a close round that could potentially be called either way, but there's no universe in which it was one-sided in Gordon's favor, and DEFINITELY his round.

I thought Gordon won. But Paddy landed more significant strikes in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Gordon applied alot of "pressure" but did little damage in any round.

In addition to Ariel said about this being one of the worst decisions of the UFC, it's also a poor decision because if they didn't notice with the Sean O'Malley/Yan decision, gifting a fighter that's a rising star prospect a win, usually has adverse effects on their popularity. Fans don't want to see anyone get robbed after fighting their heart out regardless of who they're a fan of. Then it makes it worse when that fighter isn't humble or honest about the poor judging.....

That’s a proper quality analysis of the situation, you’re the only one who holds a mirror up to them that’s why they hate you and try and cancel you all the time

If you were sitting cage side hearing the crowd pop everytime paddy threw a punch and at an angle where u saw it land but couldnt tell if its face or arms... this fight would look alot different then on tv

I agree with Ariel at 16:38 despite the other guy's apparent issue with the statement. Paddy's skill level (or lack thereof) relative to Jared -- who is a perennial top-shelf journeyman/gatekeeper to the Top 15 -- was readily apparent on Saturday night. Despite that, Paddy himself and the UFC are running with the official win on his record (understandably, despite my personally scoring it for Gordon). If they have such faith in him as an up-and-coming contender, anyone else in that same position would at the very least be facing a guy at or near the Top 25: someone who is only one win or two outside the official rankings themselves. I'm talking about guys like Terrance McKinney, Guram Kutateladze, Brad Riddell, Drakkar Klose, CDF, Thiago Moises, Joel Alvarez, Grant Dawson, Drew Dober, Bobby Green, Mark Madsen, etc. (I know many of those guys are booked at the moment, but you know what I mean). Hell, given his win streak it really wouldn't be out of the question to have him fight a ranked guy coming off a loss at this point. For the UFC to do a reverse face and instead have their new golden boy/cash cow fight, say... Trey Ogden or Nikolas Motta while headlining in London it would certainly say a lot without the UFC needing to actually say anything.

Why do we never really address the fact that corruption could be at play with judging? What is so uncorruptible about an athletic commission? Especially a Vegas commission. Not much is known about the chief dodgy scorecard dealer Doug Crosby but all we do know about him is bad news. Chael has had massive problems with this dude as well as Big John and they are two well respected voices.

What do you think of bringing back tie rounds?

After finishing this I’m left with a thought I don’t know ever occurs to people: maybe they themselves are wrong. What triggered this was a comment from the beginning which was if so many people can come to such different thoughts the sport is broken. Is it? How many people have genuinely read a commissions criteria? How many people could recite generally the criteria as it’s laid out? I’d wager tons of people think “paddy lost” but never ever once considered in good faith they got it wrong. I don’t know why we use kid gloves for fans but there is a responsibility to atleast read primary information IF you’re going to be so emotionally invested to the point you have ppl thinking the sport is broken. I’m sorry but that’s a bit preposterous. Every point I previously left below I’m 100% open to being wrong about but each comment is anchored specifically to a line in the NSAC guidelines. Let’s make more conversations that want to go to the realm of robbery begin and end with citation from NSAC scoring criteria. What about the public document suggests paddy couldn’t have won round 3? And how far off are we talking ? Why? Driven by what piece of data? What strike metric which judges are trained to leverage? 1:25 Ariel. I get it man. Trust me of all ppl who loves stats. But paddy had 1 significant strike more to the head round 1 and one fewer overall in round 1. And more significant leg strikes. Jared massacred his body round 1. If judges are going to underweight subconsciously something, it’s going to be significant body shots. Paddy also registered a significant shot on the ground. Given round 1 is where the judges split, thats the biggest miss. And those stats absolutely do not suggest the worst result in mma history. That’s actually pretty close, objectively speaking if we’re honoring stats as we should. Do I think it was right? no. I always get uneasy when judges split 10-9 in the same round. It was incorrect and I think the stats support something closer to a draw. Idc about the optics I care about what the data says. Though Ank vs Jan was not a draw so it wouldn’t have been consecutive draws in my book. But round 3 was splitting hairs too paddy was more active throwing with a couple more sig strikes and Jared had a couple takedowns. Can you not admit that’s close if we remove who the fighters are?

When youve seen some of the boxing score cards over the years and these are the same commissions basically

Steve Mazzagatti was cage side for the fights 👀 look into it

They can still corrupt them. What does them not being employees have to do with it? 🤡🤡

Go on lad

more good work

different commissions have their own set of guidelines to follow. example jones not being able to fight in vegas but moved to cali because he was able to fight there

Forget about a round limit. Main cards should "go the distance" by going until someone taps, gets KO'd, or throws in the towel. No judges, no score cards. Get your undercards to 4 rounds, keep everything the same, and see if compu-box can be improved, and then work on the quality of judges, just for the undercards.

You know who I'd like to see call out Paddy? (Drum roll ........) ... Frankie Edgar. An old fighter, retired, suspect chin from too many hard shots in his aging years, and a legend. I'm sure Paddy would run and hide haha! Also Dana and the UFC would have none of that! The Golden Boy would have his time to shine. Put up, or shut up! I would love to hear Paddy's response to a call-out. And Dana's too. Great job as usual Ariel. Love to hear your opinion on this.

Ariel makin us proud back home in 🇨🇦

With you all the way Aeriel

From some one who won alot on paddy by decision, i was in regret mode instaly from round 1 on!!!!! Seeing his chin so open to any left hook had me wishing the betting site offered a cash out at the time

i don't agree on the damage stuff sometimes when it comes to fights like Bisping v Henderson 2. Dan landed huge shots, big damage. Hurt Bisping bad a couple of times. Bisping "won" the fight though in terms of striking numbers across the board. Should Henderson have won that fight based off of his damage he caused during the fight when his damage was literally FLASHES of decent combos? I don't know.

I didn't see the fight, was it a worse decision than Bisping vs Hamill? 🤔

in my opinion bad judging stems from betting on fights and or some judges may be getting paid quietly to favor some fighters over others in close gone the distance 3 or 5 round fight

I agree with New York Rick, there needs to be a change in the system. The 10-9 system is too reductive for MMA and there needs to be something that applies the nuance of MMA to the scoring. The system has to change for the scoring to be more reliable.

I mean what would a Judge gain, from scoring in a way that appeals to dana?

That is the one point ill agree with, had they made it a split decision it wouldnt be so bad. but Paddy's take and the decision made it look far worse.

Bruv…the judges who are picked just need to be trained in mma…we all understand ufc isn’t controlling the decisions…but it’ll always look like that because nothing has changed…these decisions affect the fighter’s entire life..yet it’s nothing too the judges..just sad

The Li Jingliang vs Rodriguez decision was probably as bad as this, if not worse

@heassik3088

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That was a robbery too

“The scoring needs to be adjusted.” Keeps on saying that even though EVERYONE ELSE is using the same system to judge the fight and come to the same consensus. Wtf are you saying? It’s about getting new, qualified judges and removing ones that have a history. And make Judges accountable by making them attend a post fight pressers. Done. Ariel said it.

1. 10 point must go. 2. Retired fighters should be the judges. 3. Fire judges that can't justify their choices.. 4. Implement open scoring.. 5. Clarify judging criteria. Such as takedown should not count unless 10 seconds of control time is established. Not holding a guy on the fence..

Ariel going after this is hilarious. Now the best part is if some how the decision gets over turned i hope that Gordon gets something out of this.

Pimblett made a good point when he said Look at him after the fight and look at me. This sport js about damage now, control time with no damage or submission threat means nothing. Gordon looked totally busted up after the fight. Paddy didn't have a scratch

Issue with judging is it's in large part perception. This was a bad call but this really brings into question how fights are scored. Judges are government employees (pencil pushers) who take a course and then get to work fights. We need to systematically change scoring criteria as a whole over just some people "opinions". Because while most can understand the scoring - there's clearly some judges that just simply aren't getting it.

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Someone should create a algorithm that can help in the judging process either a program that scores the fight and the judges scores are compared to it somehow or a program that the judges run there scores thou and it compares them to the algorithm that’s built into the system and it computes a 99% accurate score for the wining fighter based on program … I don’t know just a thought and maybe someone way smarter then me could take this idea and make it into something that could work…

Time to set ilia topuiria vs paddy now that they set the stage at the last press conference.