America is sleepwalking into a gambling addiction epidemic Amazing watching it unfolding

@riccocool

Жыл бұрын

And suicide.

@dannyg2197

Жыл бұрын

No they aren't lmao, gambling has been around forever

@viralknockout

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyg2197 I bet it hasn't

@mchammer1982

Жыл бұрын

@@dannyg2197 the regulations are so weak. Advertising on every sports programme and constantly displaying odds in game etc. Wait and see. America will have a generation of gambling junkies transferring their wealth to the odds makers. I used the word sleep walking for a reason. Fact people can't see it is the weirdest thing.

@mchammer1982

Жыл бұрын

Even ariel taking the draft kings blood money. Morals out the window....... Shows like this spending hours each week discussing gambling openly. I'm not anti gambling but the American regulations are not protecting kids from them being prayed on.

Makes you wonder if Dillashaw’s whole coach staff bet (big bucks) on him losing since they knew he went to fight with one arm

@maattttt07

Жыл бұрын

Right!! And now he retires!!!

@ERASA

Жыл бұрын

And right as the news broke he retired!!! The plot thiccens! Gonna be the best drama show of 2023 :)

@Gratefulfellow

Жыл бұрын

Even if they did they were smart enough not to tell anyone because the line didn't move before his fight. The problem with Krause is that he told somebody that told EVERYBODY I mean the WHOLE TOWN and they all bet big money so even the house try to balance the odds the betters weren't bulging they contine to bet on Miner's opponent.

@cccc9911

Жыл бұрын

Wow......and he just retired.

@jedithaseal4418

Жыл бұрын

They don’t mind you betting as long as your losing they knowingly put hurt fighters and juiced fighters in fights which will change the outcome drastically

Must have been Dana’s own bet that didn’t make it through 😂😂

@tzarleonardi8967

Жыл бұрын

Lmao "trust me, I know, they'll stop your bets"

I've had my differences with Ariel strictly in relation to fighters/fights however my respect for him has grown immensely for handling this like and adult. He dismantled both Dana and Paddy. Very disappointed in Paddy, definitely lost some fans after the pointless rant. Ariel keep up the good work! If Paddy is wise he will man up and apologise.

@DubzCo

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@rams812

Жыл бұрын

Same. Like i have always been indifferent about Ariel, and actually thought he could be bias at times, but after the way he defended himself against paddy and dana I've seen how much integrity means to him. And now, although his opinions are still what they are, I see he is not bias but just being honest with his thoughts, and suddenly my respect has grown. And I'm listening to him even more

@AbduCola

Жыл бұрын

Definitely not pointless. I have a strong feeling that was planned and setup by Dana to discredit the rumors that he under pays most fighters while showering his current pet. He wanted Paddy to endorse him on this because he probably felt Paddy's fans were loyal enough to change their minds for him. They seriously underestimated his fans lol.

@SirHaroldMaguire

Жыл бұрын

Dana is the biggest gambler of all. He pays Till, Pimblett, O Malley etc much more than other higher ranked fighters. Now he has a vested interest in the fighter he pays more and who earns more for UFC winning. Whole things corrupt AF.

ariel out here looking like vladtv 🤣🤣

Krause snitched on himself big time like a dummy oh my days 😂😂😂😂😂

@kelliking4449

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@brandisify

Жыл бұрын

He spilled his guts. Its unreal

@Gratefulfellow

Жыл бұрын

He Is the King of Self Snitching. Not a smart move . I know he is regretting this interview now. I hear the FBI is involved right now.

@Dembae66

Жыл бұрын

got stitched haha

@DEGENERATE_sendit

Жыл бұрын

Except when he did it, it wasn’t illegal.

Wow... Didn't know Krause actually said he used other ppl's accounts to bet on fights in the original interview. That seriously changes his ability to move the line single-handedly, without the discord chat... also admitted to betting on fights involving his own fighters. He royally screwed himself in that interview...DAMN!!!

@modernblue24

Жыл бұрын

At the same time…if he was given permission to make bets…he can easily sue if he can spot the silver lining….he could possibly turn this into a massive win. Dragging his name through the dirt to make him an example could royally backfire on Dana….every giant collapses at some point….Dana….damn son.

@hawkhitter5365

Жыл бұрын

they don't know what they are talking about and neither do we. Too many laws that are all different in different areas. If he stopped with the UFC memo then he might be all good, but even if he stopped he could have been breaking laws he didn't even know existed. Obviously if he did anything with Minner...he is toast. Just hard to believe hes that dumb.

@plyingod

Жыл бұрын

I'm just guessing but lots of sites set low limits for mma, esports etc. So in order to get significant money bet you have to use others. Also if your winning alot the lower those limits even further or just ban the account.

@mowes8229

Жыл бұрын

*that's 70's Show dad voice*..."dumbass"

@thedonofthsht76-58

Жыл бұрын

Yup and he takes a piece of all the winnings obviously so I think he knew his guy was injured and bet the house on the other guy. Being such a big gambler you'd think he'd know he'd be caught doing that though

Imagine the UFC being questioned about their integrity, how could that even be? 🤣

@michaelleinbach6249

Жыл бұрын

This had not one thing to do with the UFC. And thier integrity is just fine.

@mrkang4080

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelleinbach6249 LOL, imagine thinking the UFC has integrity, paying guys $12k, pushing out media that speaks poorly of the owner who is known for being a hardcore gambler. LOL

@ballstothewall38

Жыл бұрын

Imagine if Dana stopped throwing fights.

Ariel’s reaction to his producer lacking on the Krause clip 💀 3:43

@chriscuts7029

Жыл бұрын

I was listening to it as it played in the background, I thought it froze lol. I walked over and Ariel was as confused as I. Lmao

@Alexandervaldes017

Жыл бұрын

@@chriscuts7029literally same lol

@alexwendling

Жыл бұрын

hahahahha

Ariel as a bookmaker for one of the biggest in the world, I can tell you the line can move without the bets being placed. Happens all the time. A mark can try come in and bet and not accept the bet and move the line because of that. I think it was dodgy as hell and some books took action but I’d say many didn’t. Dana is totally 100% right in everything he said here.

@matushudak4947

Жыл бұрын

correct

@TheDXJC56

Жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing, learn something new everyday

@willmosse3684

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Yeah, Ariel’s question on that never actually got answered.

Only entity I know of that isn't sponsored by gambling company is Khabib's Eagle FC

@mugshotmarley

Жыл бұрын

God willing, inshallah brother.

@Ryan-ys2bq

Жыл бұрын

lets not act like its funded by good money though

@GP-fx2ib

Жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-ys2bq totally agree man

@pulproman6892

Жыл бұрын

@@GP-fx2ib People like to forget this

@kryhmeworld1843

Жыл бұрын

@@Ryan-ys2bq And what in the hell is good money? Please name an entity that is

You guys are doing such a great job covering this story. I wish boxing media was just as on top of their scandals. Thanks for your hard work on this. This is my 2nd favorite sport right now and I'm against anything that hurts it.

@jeanpull1

Жыл бұрын

What's your favourite?

@Jay-vr8it

Жыл бұрын

He loves disparaging the ufc so this is perfect

@arnoldbarnold2047

Жыл бұрын

Love hearts, love scars

@a.k.infinity1502

Жыл бұрын

@@jeanpull1 basketball

@a.k.infinity1502

Жыл бұрын

@@Jay-vr8it he does 😂

I’m mostly only concerned with whether or not he got it in with Sanko…

@tracypayne2026

Жыл бұрын

Facts, Its really looks like its true.

@bradleye660

Жыл бұрын

Oh hell yeah he was hitting that for sure.

@Nathosss88

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@AHighlander

Жыл бұрын

Same. Asking the tough, hard-hitting questions here...🧐

@ericjones363

Жыл бұрын

@@bradleye660 nice and tight I bet lol

The breakdown I needed of all this. Thank you mma hour.

Apparently Krause didn't hear that the IRS hired 80,000+ new auditors. Yikes bro.

@DEGENERATE_sendit

Жыл бұрын

And they’re allowed to shoot you now too. Poor bastard. I feel for him.

Excellent reporting! I totally understand all of this now including that sudden October announcement that seemed to have come out of nowhere.

Thank you been waiting for this been so lost all week

Great recap, been wanting to know what all happen with this situation

@simplereefer

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was waiting for this too.

Nearly 5000 members at $50 a month. Man was making bank

@Ryan-ys2bq

Жыл бұрын

These niche “gurus” are popping up in everything, you have Andrew Tates 100k odd discord to smaller niche ones with 1000 subs for $10 its like onlyfans for men

@blueelephant4971

Жыл бұрын

Not really. The public discord had 5,000 members and was free to join. I've lurked there myself. The VIP channel on the other hand costs $50 a month to have access to. That is where James would post his picks. I believe that was about 200 members. To join you had to give out some personal information such as your phone number as they didn't want people lurking in there that they knew nothing about.

@RichardEByrd-rz5hb

Жыл бұрын

@@blueelephant4971hat’s still 10k a month not including the members who paid 2k

@blueelephant4971

Жыл бұрын

@@RichardEByrd-rz5hb True 10k a month for our MMA picks is not work many of us would turn down if we could get it. I wonder though what the 2k a month package offered you. That must have been to tell you which fights were fixed!

Really great coverage of all of this Ariel. Awesome job.

" Gambling is bad Brotha, it ruins lives, many people loose a lot of money brotha. " - a wise man.

@Muzzaa

Жыл бұрын

So is marrying your cousin but thats another story

@mrrooster4876

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't that wise..."LOSE".....

@DeltaAssaultGaming

Жыл бұрын

Dude also loves Putin.

@bhumikjoshi4573

Жыл бұрын

Forcing women to stay at home is bad : Everyone with some common sense.

@mohammedfahd8908

Жыл бұрын

@@Muzzaa how is Gambling related to marrying a cousin, Pls elaborate.

I ain't go hold you. I watch that interview he had with him a couple months ago and this whole thing that's playing out now is what I was thinking in my head how he was so open about it

Great video. We’ve been waiting for this one lol.

The UFC doesn't have to prevent fight fixing because they just have the judges fix the fight for them. Paddy/Gordon for example.

@bryanfrombuffalo7685

Жыл бұрын

Agree...McGregor cerrone

Dana 1 - Ariel 1. The saga is still being written to this day....to this DAY!!!

@DEGENERATE_sendit

Жыл бұрын

400 years!

@gavdobs

Жыл бұрын

To this day!

Thank you for covering this story so well, great job to the whole team.

Don't usually watch the channel, but this is huge and reported fairly. I'll be tuning in regularly

5:11 we crashed it last week, we destroyed it.😬😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Mans really did it to himself

Might want to check on these judges bank accounts and hidden accounts, they would be an easy target for a betting syndicate to attempt to bribe.

20:48-21:02. commentary over dana's answer has me dyinnnng of laughter right now

Very good coverage and explaining. I also didn’t know what Discord is

In the end, THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS

This really sucks because Kraus is very open and unaware of the legalities. This whole thing is just about controlling the business of gambling, they dont want anyone to win.

This was a fantastic breakdown of the information so far

I live in Ontario and was wondering why I couldn't bet on UFC this past weekend.

I wonder if any of Dillishaw's boys put a fat bet down on him losing... 🤔

@bradleye660

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I know I would have. Dumbass should’ve went to the PI MONTHS before the fight to get that shoulder looked at.

There was a book written called tapped out by Matthew polly where he trained at xtreme couture and it talks about the openness of betting and I'm fairly sure it also talked about people betting against their team when they knew they were injured or had a bad cut etc

Just last night, Fanduel put out an “odds boost” encouraging a bet that included Anthony Davis. Ironically, Davis left the game in the first quarter with flu like symptoms. Felt dirty.

@Slinqee

Жыл бұрын

they literally gave that money back

@kylewade8704

Жыл бұрын

Wow ur so smart! It’s not like they didn’t give the money back or anything

The biggest problem is the MMA judges are allowed to place bets. This means the entire judging process is a fraud.

@PurposePlastics

Жыл бұрын

That’s wild

@AHighlander

Жыл бұрын

Wait, WTF?? Really??

@khunter8757

Жыл бұрын

No they can't lol

As someone who’s relatively new to the gambling aspects of MMA, I have 2 questions. 1: Why is it illegal for a fighter’s family to bet on them? Obviously they could have insider info but it still comes down to fight night for any of that to come to fruition, right? 2: How could they possibly enforce any sort of gambling by friends or family when all I have to do (theoretically) is tell someone not within my household to place my bet, and then cash their money and give it to me?

@MansterBear

Жыл бұрын

for number 1, I'd guess it's more about betting against them. For example, say TJ Dillashaw's family knew his shoulder had dislocated 20 times leading up to the fight and that it was likely going to dislocate in the fight, so they go bet against TJ. I def don't think fighters/coaches/family betting ON their fighter should be a problem. But for some reason, orgs see it differently (ie Pete Rose only bet for his own team to win and he's banned from the MLB Hall of Fame over it).

@TheTrueWelshIdiot

Жыл бұрын

For 2, it depends on the odds and the wager. In the T&Cs of any gambling account, the bookmaker has the right to review and refuse the payout. They do it for things like the discovery of a glitch in a game (virtual slots). If a wager looks overly large or discrepant, they could review and investigate all associated bets. They probably wouldn't, but for a moneyline movement like that, they may.

@zekayman

Жыл бұрын

It's basically impossible to regulate. All they can do is mitigate the flow of insider info as much as possible.

@JeremyWashington1489

Жыл бұрын

@@MansterBear I can explain why Pete betting on his own team was a problem. Even though he bet on his team to win in games, those bets affected other games. For instance, if it’s a normal game that you haven’t bet on that’s close, but you know you’re betting on the following nights game, you may withhold players from tonight’s lineup and sacrifice winning or a comeback because you want your players to be rested for the next days game, the one you’ve bet on. You’ve essentially made decisions you wouldn’t normally have made and sacrificed win/potential win so that you could win the bet the following day. At the time, Pete Rose was a player-manager, so a huge effect on who was in a lineup. And I’m saying this as someone who thinks Rose should be unbanned and let in the HOF. I don’t know enough about MMA to guess if it’s a similar situation with regard to betting on yourself to win.

@jabibgalt5551

Жыл бұрын

Fundamentally, prohibition doesn't work, whether it is alcohol, weed, prostitution or gambling; it usually makes things harder and more complicated than what they would've been on their own. That said, just as a thought exercise, what could be the worse thing that happened if there was no government "regulating" gambling? Would fights continue to happen? Would betting houses continue to exist?

I was a part of the Discord - and I can confidently say that James never picked against any of his fighters. He would often completely skip the fights that included his fighters.

@Skip-pv5lw

Жыл бұрын

Sooo what about Minner?

@lukeyluke14

Жыл бұрын

@@Skip-pv5lw Did he pick against Minner in the Discord?

@jonoharper4729

Жыл бұрын

JK might skip betting on his own fighters in the Discord, but that doesn't guarantee he wouldn't privately bet against them on a 3rd party betting account. You'll never know.

@lukeyluke14

Жыл бұрын

@@jonoharper4729 That’s a good point.

@Contactsporttrashtalk

Жыл бұрын

@@lukeyluke14 also say he picks/bets on 6 out of 7 of his fighter's to win and the 7th he skips, to others that would mean he is not confident they will win or knows. So it would shift a lot of others to bet against that pick he skipped

This was a good listen

“Pause right there.. what’s a disord channel?” 😂😂😂 I’m dead bruh

No one's gonna talk about how Ariel was against banning fighters from gambling because he thought it was a power move by the UFC?

@gavinsmith6460

Жыл бұрын

Yall sound dumb as hell hes the only reporter who actually cares about the fighters outside of how they perform in the octagon

@CW-yp9jo

Жыл бұрын

Unrelated but come around sundown is an awesome album

@Skunkh42

Жыл бұрын

@@jonoharper4729 i donno about the whole lost all credibility and integrity stuff but he did say that something like "now they're taking this away from them too"

@fanman3163

Жыл бұрын

I liked your comment because of your taste in music

@jZamora87

Жыл бұрын

Do you consider yourself "no one" because you're talking about it.

Oh my! Imagine shady things happening around gambling!😮

Dana is saying they prolly booked all the smaller action, but when big money bets were coming in they aren’t taking that action. He is talking about the casinos not the websites

I'm still pissed about the dillashaw fight... someone had to know about that... that's why he literally was barely on embedded.

@bnegs521

Жыл бұрын

No doubt!

Dana has a deeper issue of him being esklmo brothers with james

@riccocool

Жыл бұрын

He is eskimo brothers with half of Las Vegas.

Dana made you cry. That will never change no matter what lol

@JJS595

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Ariel is great at playing the victim

@AHighlander

Жыл бұрын

And yet, Ariel's in the right here.

fascinating. As a Kansas City resident, I'm particularly glad that Krause has saved me the money of ever needing to buy a ticket to a live event, because the UFC sure as hell isn't coming here now. :(

21:00 it does, oddsmakers can slash odds without accepting the bet once a big bet shows up on their radar. They get the best of both worlds, they could not only decline a large bet but also slash the odds to deter others from following trying to bet, which encourages gamblers to make their bet elsewhere.

Surprised the TJ Dillashaw incident wasn’t talked about more here. He came into that fight completely disabled and people knew. This is exactly the same as the Minner fight no?

I just love the Draft Kings logo in the bottom right corner for the entirety of the video lol

When krause said he bet on moreno that pause said a lot

Let’s talk about the Krause/Sanko scandal as well. 😬

@matthewcharboneau733

Жыл бұрын

Skankho*

@sallgoodman2323

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewcharboneau733 Girls gotta in too, otherwise Krause a ho

@chriscuts7029

Жыл бұрын

Let's not. Stop acting like a woman.

@klaiken989

Жыл бұрын

She regrets cheating on her hubby with a now soon to be no one, lol. You can bet if he is found guilty, and her relationship comes to light with Krause. Her career will slowly but gradually grind to nothing with the UFC. There are a lot of more accomplished pretty women just waiting for the opportunity Laura has

@ERASA

Жыл бұрын

Such scandal - much wow :O lol

Now I'm wondering if James bet on himself to lose his last 2 fights 😂 (tapped to arm bar and rear naked choke).

In a way i like the new rules… because its more than just betting on yourself to win, or lose.. the fighter can literally place a bet on himself to lose within a minute.. and probably make more money taking a dive and cashing out from the sportsbook than they would for the fight.. theres over a hundred props to choose from on every fight..

@MightyJabroni

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but that only goes so on so far. And if you bet big on some obscure props on a UFC prelim, it will not remain unnoticed for long. Also, all MMA betting markets outside of the UFC, and I'd say even within the UFC prelims, are very niche. That is why this funny business was detected so fast. It probably was far too much moeny coming in on a fight, that usually would command nowhere near as much attention.

love the content Ariel thank you for the great coverage

As a NBA fan I will remind everyone a NBA ref was betting on games. To a degree there’s always a risk of it

@bnegs521

Жыл бұрын

He never fixed the outcome of any game though.

It's crazy to me how long this has went on without anyone putting a stop to it. You can wager as a coach on your own fighter but not against? WTF?? With the prop wagers now being so popular, I don't see any difference in an NFL coach betting on a receiver of his to catch a certain amount of passes or an NBA coach wagering on a player of his to score over a certain amount of points. Each scenario could easily be manipulated by that coach to achieve the over/under props to win that bet.

@kylewade8704

Жыл бұрын

Ya and the ones who are hurt by it are the sports books, that’s why they’re coming for him now he’s making too much money on them

This whole situation is messed up from all angles, in so many ways. I started betting on MMA, almost 8 years ago, I remember thinking how easy it would be to go to a local mma gym and train for insider info. Started doing jiu jitsu at ATT in Kansas City, funny enough, one of the guys I trained with, Jeff Molina, moved onto Glory, in Lee Summit, a suburb in Kansas City, where James Krause trains, then ended up in the UFC. It’s really sad to see whats happening. Krause is a name synonymous with mma in Kansas City. He really grew something special for local guys who want to make it to the big leagues, all that is being destroyed. Not sure where it goes from here, but the fact that every UFC fighter who trains out here will now have to move on, if they want to stay in the UFC, really sucks. I think there are so many issues with mma gambling. Ive always thought that, just because the sport is so transparent. There are so many gyms where UFC fighters train, where almost anyone can show up, and train with one of the fighters. One of the reasons Donald Cerrone left Jackson-wink. MMA gyms don’t make a-lot of money, they’ll let anyone show up, as long as they pay their dues. They need the money. That transparency alone, puts a lot of questions on mma gambling. Back to Krause though, I don’t think he should be the blame for all this, its been going on for a long time, on so many levels, Krause just shined a light on it. And if anyone thinks its over, it isn’t. The only way to save mma gambling is to end it. That being said, I think if mma gambling stays, this whole situation will clean it up, a little, which might be a good thing.

@gamebredo8880

Жыл бұрын

Bruh..sorry you write too long wtf

@SBGMember

Жыл бұрын

@@gamebredo8880 sorry, I know reading is difficult for slow people.

@michaelfranzese4975

Жыл бұрын

Very, very good point about the transparency aspect. Corruption in combat sports has existed since their inceptions. I saw this coming a mile away, IMO it's more a coming of age story for a relatively new professional sport then it is a surprise.

@Asshat237

Жыл бұрын

​@@SBGMember You had something interesting and most importantly RELEVANT to say. As opposed to telling the internet you need hooked on phonics. Irrelevant to this topic.

@garden3818

Жыл бұрын

Yeah sort of seems like the UFC threw Krause under the bus to save their personal image and the image of MMA, which, ig is important, but for the Dana and Hunter to square the blame on Krause seems shitty

Let's not forget, Helwani was the one saying UFC were now taking betting, another source of income away from the fighters, and whining about how unfair that was on the fighters. He said something like "now they're taking this away from them too". This guy has lost all credibility and integrity imo, on his mission to "hate on the UFC and DW" at every opportunity. And let's be honest, all the questions in the "On the nose" segment are just canned questions written by himself and his crew, so they can drive their own specific narrative.

@Gratefulfellow

Жыл бұрын

Are you just figuring this out. There is a reason Dana dispises him. There is a reason Ali's fighters dont go to his show except for kayla Harrison. Fighters, coaches, should know nothing good comes from going to the MMA hour. Ariel is the master instigator and has lost all credibility a long time ago.

Great conversation.

Duane Ludwig laughing all the way to the bank

@AHighlander

Жыл бұрын

Why's that?

@lewchootrain

Жыл бұрын

@@AHighlander Bc TJ's camp definitely knew about his blown out shoulder so I wonder if they had someone throw a little something on it.....

@AHighlander

Жыл бұрын

@@lewchootrain Ah. Forgot Ludwig was his coach. D'oh..!

@lacosa24x

Жыл бұрын

Does he got dwayneeeeee wihhh emmmm

Dana’s seems very sus! We all know tomato likes to gamble, I can’t imagine he didn’t hear things before the fight himself

@Gratefulfellow

Жыл бұрын

Dana gamble's but he's not that stupid to gamble on UFC fights or his fighters. So no am not worried about Dana.

@hennyspiderman9974

Жыл бұрын

@@Gratefulfellowexactly he’s no idiot, he wouldn’t put his rep and company on the line for this

@iConformed

Жыл бұрын

@@Gratefulfellow I agree publicly but with the amount of connections he has there’s plenty of ways to get around things. Gambling can be an addiction for many which makes you prone to risks (Krause has entered the chat)

@sallgoodman2323

Жыл бұрын

@@hennyspiderman9974 yup he's worked too damn hard to just throw it away.

@Gratefulfellow

Жыл бұрын

@@iConformed sorry am not with you on that. Dana would not do that. He has his money and he's not that greedy to do something that can ruin his own company.

This was so interesting to watch !

Was waiting for this

Ariel and Journalists can have just as much insider info as the guys in the locker room. Ariel has the scoops on fights, he talks and messages managers. Ariel and other journalist easily have more info on fighters than general public. So they should also not be able to bet . Draftkings isnt gonna sponsor this show for long. Ariel is trying to push on Dana so much but ariel talks about bets and bets himself with his crew. They can have insider info, ariel knows about fights before they are announced . Im not saying he or these guys did anything. I just find it funny he wants to act like he doesnt know what discord is. He asks krause how can people sign up for his betting picks and all that. If ariel wants to try to throw dana under the bus over and over after GC keeps saying that dana was correct and he agreed with dana , ariel would bring it up nearly 3 times GC had to say he agrees with dana. So ariel dont poke your nose so deep in this one because they can pull sponsorships and no more betting talks since ariel clearly has more info than the public. He talks with managers, fighters, knows things before they are annouced etc.

@AHighlander

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Aye but, as far as we know, he hasn't done anything illegal.

@patrickwalsh5153

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Dana said that no bets were made and then paid out, so no damage done. That was the lie.

This could become a huge issue for the UFC. TJ Dillashaw fought for the title with an injury as well and someone could of used this info to make money off of it.

@AM-hp9eu

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And what is the problem with that?

@bnegs521

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That should be looked into as well

Derrick Minner's odds went from 37% down to 26%. That is quite big, but hardly falling off a cliff. I also doubt it would take a substantial amount of money for it to move so much, since hardly anyone would be betting on that fight anyway.

Now you have to wonder: how many of the judges were betting on the fights? 🧐 That would explain almost all of the downright wrong scores over the last few years.

@brian-mash

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😂 that would explain so much about Sal D’amato’s scoring

@SirHaroldMaguire

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It's been fixed since day one. From what industry did the Fertittas get their money? Coffee? No. Printing presses? No. Casinos.

How doesn't this video have over 1 million views?? These kinds of acts are like 2 steps away from guys taking dives in fights.. In the UFC.

Charging 50 a month for picks at the low end and 2grand a month on the top end so what i wanna know is what 2grand a month was getting u from this guy

@Ozzyozzysheesh

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My guess is maybe the 50 a month people got only a couple picks and the 2k people got all his picks. Not sure what else the difference would be

@DEGENERATE_sendit

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2k a month was probably to run their account. They make more than double that with his picks and the 2k is his cut. Just a guess.

@djwalker6608

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Krause on his podcast once said his discord had a lot of highly successful people in all areas of finance. He kinda said that there is a chat offering help in real estate and stocks etc. Can’t recall exactly as it wasn’t a big deal like now. But maybe the $2K/month gave you stock tips and ran your acct. Just a thought. But it’s crazy he wouldn’t think how bad this could look

@jonoharper4729

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The $2K is used by JK to place bets, and JK takes his cut from the nett profits, the $50 members just get selected picks.

Wasn't there another big betting scandal outside of the UFC where fights that occured a day prior than being aired and bets were being taken based on TV dates?

@NWDB

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Nope, pretty sure something like that happened earlier this well with the PFL's challenger series though.

@RogueIntent

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WSOF if I’m remembering correctly

Sorry, but it aint just one trainer.Been saying for years that there have been fixed fights in the ufc. I'm glad I'm getting some small vindication with this atory.

A quality piece of journalism. I'd like to see more longform explainer pieces like this. GC needs to learn to contrast his outfits though, dude looks like a floating head! A nice powder blue is what's needed.

The sport is young and needs to mature, this is some of the things that needs to be addressed. I will be happy to see improvements over the next few decades

@jm12green31

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Yeah right man nice company line haha

This is ridiculous. Krause didn’t break any rules or laws prior to October or whenever the new rules dropped. The new rules won’t stop anything, just make it prosecutable with ‘sanctions.’ How can you have all these gambling sponsors and expect no one to bet? Sounds like these rules should have been put in place before the gambling sponsors came in. Only problem with that is, the fighters would ask for money out of the deal and we all know the ufc ain’t parting with any of their sponsor money 😂

@riccocool

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He's not in the club that gets to financially scam without consequence. Some get to scam people out of billions of life savings.

@joepace9716

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yeah but he has clearly broken the rules since then, he still had the discord dedicated to bets. You can pretty much guarantee he was breaking the rules after they came in to play. I'm sure they'd argue that he fixed the fight which was already illegal before the rule changed. But yes completely ridiculous that they didn't have the rules before hand, there's a lot of money in gambling and the house doesn't like to lose, very scummy industry.

@sirnicholibraden86

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@@riccocool If people are betting their life savings than guess what? FCK EM. They'd have lost it anyways.

@hawkhitter5365

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fighters have no power, they cant ask ufc for sponsor money

@DEGENERATE_sendit

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@@riccocool you’re right about that. Krause might get stiffer punishment than the FTX crook

Going to prison is NOT Krauses biggest problem. He referred to his mentor as being the largest MMA gambler in the world... and that person wouldnt want to be identified. He will now be questioned about a lot of dangerous people and questionable activities they are involved in. They probably don't want that to take place. 🤐

Meanwhile the Las Vegas Commission has been doing this for decades.

We’ve seen this before in the fixed 1919 World Series. Low paid, disgruntled athletes took $ to fix the series because they were paid peanuts, hated the owners, and had nothing to lose . The Supreme Court predicted this.

@josephhunter1627

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This exactly it’s on Dana

@gabrielegagliardi3956

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I don't believe it's related to their wages, a lot of really well paid football (soccer) players sold games even when they were millionaires. When you have vices and you are greedy gambling is around the corner.

@aztronomy7457

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@@gabrielegagliardi3956 yes but you’re more inclined to risk your career and getting banned if you get paid nothing and hate the owner. Again watch the documentary on the 1919 black Sox…. It literally paints the picture word for word on the situation here. The Supreme Court themselves concluded that the UFC and NCAA would be severely at risk for this because the athletes control so much power and yet earn close to nothing. (After gambling was legalized)

@coreygolpheneee

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@@gabrielegagliardi3956 yeah but when you make McDonald's money and have the opportunity, there's much more of an incentive

James Krause: Let me bet, bro!

Meagan Anderson claimed they wanted her to lose, also she claimed Laura Sanko and James had an affair, if that’s true he’s got to be the luckiest guy in the world. She’s gorgeous.

One of the things I haven’t seen discussed relative to the gambling issue is fighter pay, if you start out making 14 to show and 14 to win and fighting twice per you’re in a financial position where you can be bought off for a relatively small amount and since there are 2 people in the competition you only need to get to one person for a guaranteed fix. Similar events have taken place in college basketball where one really impactful player (although it’s much safer to get multiple players in on it) can point shave and the players were uncompensated up until very recently

@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible

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That’s rediculous. No one is forcing anyone to fight. Just because you arnt making top dollar, doesn’t mean you get to cheat. Otherwise a massive majority of poor people would be breaking the law at work. I personally make less than UFC fighters and don’t break the law so idk who is forcing them to do anything.

@ramprat5812

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@@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible The point isn’t about whether it’s the right thing to do, it isn’t either way. The point is that most fighters on the roster are in a financial position where someone can offer them significantly more than they would be making to guarantee the result and still be able to profit off the result. Think about how much money it would take to buy off enough important players on a football team to fix it, the guaranteed profit of betting a fix would be wiped out by that cost. Even if you would never sacrifice your morals for money, I’m willing to bet you work with at least a few people who would.

@haldir3120

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@@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible You should work on reading comprehension, mate.

@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible

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@@ramprat5812 That’s rediculous. That’s a choice. Any one of those guys can make more doing other work

@kingjamesfromthekingjamesbible

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@@haldir3120 What did I misunderstand? Please explain how I am legally wrong? I think you are wrong

I think fight fixing most often takes the form of Over/Under betting. If a fighter knows he completely outmatches his opponent, he can bet Over 1.5 rounds and take it easy, play it safe until 7.5 minutes have passed.

@AHighlander

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It also allows fighters to illegally make money by agreeing to let the fight pass the midway mark while still leaving an opportunity for either competitor to win.

@iiikkk8068

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@@AHighlander and? That’s the point. Some of these lower tier guys get paid horrible and don’t care about risking losing or trying to cover their bets to make 2x-50x their pay

So far it looks like Krause is the scapegoat. He's not the only coach fighter etc etc to bet on fights they have direct knowledge of. All these rules should have been put in place long before they Cut MMA loose on the betting scene. JMO

@dannyg2197

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That's exactly what has happened

@JP-rw5cd

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No one else is as open and tbh arrogant about the topic as Krause was to be honest

@netwatch7261

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@@JP-rw5cd well he made a business out of it. You kind of have to be that way to push a business. Considering he was making close to 250k just off of his discord it seemed to be working.

@JP-rw5cd

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@@netwatch7261 250k a month!?

@seegee9

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@JP membership was 50 a month I think. If he had 5k subscribers he was making an obscene amount. Money and greed make people do dumb stuff sometimes lol

So is it safe to say that Ariel’s interview of Krause was the reason all of this went down?

@bnegs521

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That combined with the Minner fight

@hawaiiantimes7702

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@@bnegs521 it’s like Krause just can’t keep a secret. He basically told on himself with the help of Ariel nudging him on. Lol

@bnegs521

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@@hawaiiantimes7702 I agree with you 100 percent!!

James was making a cool quarter million a month off discord.

@maattttt07

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Maybe he still is?

@Poatan.chama.

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And then betting all that on fights where he was pretty much sure of the outcome

I watched this when it first aired and couldn't believe he was speaking openly about placing bets with fighters he's coaching. Lol Whether gambling is legal or not, it leaves the door open for a bunch of stuff. Betting against your guys can be profitable too, especially if you know they're gonna lose for sure. There's so many legal layers involved, as they're literally touching on as I'm writing this. James has always seemed like a bright guy, so this shocks me he risked speaking about this openly and couldn't see the potential consequences. Sucks for him.

@daniel213141

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I thought that was funny as well. Pete Rose comes to mind.

@lacosa24x

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You can bet on your fighters and yourself but you can’t bet against your fighters that’s suspicious the Derrick minner fight is when they caught wind and they don’t know how many times they did it

I joined this group after watching that interview with Krause. Pretty disappointed the discord is gone

@sus888

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Did you make any bets based on the discord?

Let’s get into it!!

There’s a reason he kept saying “We” …

I always thought Krause was smug asf since TUF. Old schh rock hold vibes although my opinion of Luke changed for the better. Much respect to him with that last fight

James Krause just threw away his life's work. His fighters will be black balled from all major promotions now, hope it was worth it.

@lordknows408

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Has he even been charged with anything?

Thats the most innocent description of Discord ive ever heard. The reality is its the public bathroom of the internet

Krause also admitted Dana White is his mentor. No wonder theres always really bad calls from the judges. The latest one being the leech vs Rodriguez

Between credit card debt, lottery and gambling the US is in store for a financial catastrophe it won't come back from. 🤔

@lacosa24x

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🙄

This is definitely gonna snowball into something much bigger than what everyone is speculating. What if Dillashaw continued with the fight even though he was injured because he knew he would make a lot of money anyway? What if the UFC 279 had some shady backdoor deals given how nonchalant Dana was after Khamzat missed weight? Can opened…worms everywhere!

@Demon-tl3ev

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You might be right

Dana sounds like he’s in on it 😂!

Ariel seems to be hinting that Krause could be just a fall guy and that the UFC could potentially have deeper involvement