Saint Augustine: "Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature."

@loualiaissa6251

Жыл бұрын

This is a great comment, the laws of nature can be changed because god who invented them and we humans discovered them and took them for granted and called them natural but they are miraculous , fire ment to burn but Ibraham when his people tried to burn him the law of burning ceased and turned to cold ,god said "we said oh fire be cold and peaceful on Abraham" , a miracle is just another law of "nature" that we can't discover or a law about to be descovered

I’m confident that this comments section will be a thoughtful and fruitful exchange of ideas. 😬

@slinky4452

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed 😂

@bonnie43uk

3 жыл бұрын

Miracles ( things which defy the laws of nature) do not occur. I feel quite confident I am right about this. Magic/Supernature is something that lots of people believe in, but dont have any credible evidence for.

@scabw

3 жыл бұрын

@@bonnie43uk I wonder how you can be "quite confident" that there are no miracles. The world is huge. The universe is even bigger. And there are so many miracle claims throughout human history. But you have CON FIDE nce they are all false. Your confidence seems misplaced given the very limited dataset you are presumably working with.

@Samsara_is_dukkha

3 жыл бұрын

​@@bonnie43uk Defined as a singularity by physicists, the Big Bang defied the laws of physics. Also defined as singularities, Black Holes defy the laws of physics and they are common as muck in the Universe. Quantum entanglement whereby subatomic particles respond to each other instantly and regardless of distances violates both causality and locality which are two main principles of classical physics. There are plenty of examples that clearly defy the "laws of nature"... whether at the micro or at the macro level.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@Samsara_is_dukkha Thanks for sharing your examples "that clearly defy the 'laws of nature." I wonder how many people realize these observations defy laws of nature? I appreciate your comments.

one man's miracle is another man's barnacle

@dickrichard626

3 жыл бұрын

that was so funny i forgot to laugh.

The only miracle out there is the millions of people believing in miracles, never having seen one themselves.

I would like to redeem airline miles of Dr. Kuhn

Life is a miracle. Just saying.

@kentheengineer592

3 жыл бұрын

yo

@faisal4455357

2 жыл бұрын

You are not wrong I guess

Universe itself is a miracle

@margaretbarrett6087

3 жыл бұрын

sreekanth chintala Have you read Walt Whitman’s poem “Miracles” ?

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

Your position? No one can get off that easily do to intellectual laziness. We’re here by pure chance because in quantum field,theory, anything that can happen will happen. Eternal Inflation theory explains the fine tuning of our universe and the Anthropic Principal.

only 454 upvotes for such great content. I assume most downvotes are miracle believers.

Double talk. Craig wants to be on both sides of the fence at the same time. Like 'A miracle is not really a miracle, it's just, you know, a miracle.'

A real miraculous episode! Thanks, Robert.

Every human being is supernaturally natural

Miracles are a fad that was apparently very popular 2000 years ago

I'm a Buddhist that believes in violence, and miracles. Life has taught and shown me this is how I should view the world. I also have a Legio 13 tattoo and two very different Crosses on my back. Have seen and experienced too much war and too much life not to believe in miracles. I also have no need to prove any of this to anyone, much less to people who choose to believe we are only monkeys and just evolution and that we possess not a spark of the heavens. Choice and free will are laws of existence, very important ones. As is recognizing we see.and know very little of all that is to be know. Every generation thinks they are the pinnacle... or can see the pinnacle, until time passes and we know better.... hmmmmm

Missing Dr. John Lennox

I am thankful for the high intellectual level of this part (that is not different from the other parts of this series in this).

Miracles do not exist but enthusiasm and persistance are its closest manifestations

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

How do you know?

@nonitoopena73

3 жыл бұрын

@danny rev. How did you know?

@AtheistCook

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 i went to school, Can you proof that you can brake the laws of nature?

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

@@AtheistCook In what class in school did you learn that miracles do not exist? Did a teacher just tell you this or did they provide some sort of demonstration that it is true? And no, I can’t break a law of nature, but if there was an entity that brought the laws of nature into being, then presumably that entirety could break the laws (and would do so if it had a reason to).

@AtheistCook

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 and is that entity ironman?

May have helped to in include an eastern Christian perspective where the miraculous or supernatural is not separated from the mundane, but that any and all things are sustained and brought forth by the will of God. Therefore, everything is "supernatural."

2:38 your own consciousness is a miracle and proof of supernatural intervention in the universe... come on people, the universe is very very old!

@dickrichard626

3 жыл бұрын

Phew, at least I found someone who get's it relatively easily. High five!✋🏻

Mr Kuhn - it would have been so good to hear Kenneth Miller (author of Darwin's God) also in this episode.

This is the best channel on utube

Theists only go for fallacies and bad arguments in general. Sloppy thinking is a requirement to believe any of that theistic nonsense.

There are things that are literally beyond humankinds ability to comprehend. This freaks out some folks pretty badly.

Every Christmas, children get presemts. That is good evidence that Santa Claus loves children. (Even though children are not allowed to be alone with him in his grotto any more).

I do agree you are closer to truth.

"God is involved with everything going on in the world" Well, there is the source of all our problems.

The guy saying with a straight face "miracles are God's way of endorsing the views of a particular prophet." Pretty lucky for that prophet huh? Definitely no room for subterfuge or deception in a situation like that!

@Tom_Quixote

Жыл бұрын

"I'm sure nobody would ever even consider lying about a miracle to attract fame or anything like that"

Is a God without miracles a contradiction in terms?

Revelations could also be evidenced by improved spiritual condition of humanity: better relationships, helpful community, connected people.

Wow! For those Last words..!

Opening strings remind me of Carlito’s Way.

Belief in authentic miracles is simply consistent with belief in a transcendant Creator God who can command all things. So what's the problem ?

You must know that there is one big problem with the gods. Too many people think they are friends with one of them. I love the bible. It makes a great door stop.

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a real knee-slapper, Tom.

@thomasridley8675

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 😏

Closer to truth is always a miracle since the real proves to be true. There is no closer without good as true reality.

Consider and study miracles and revelations. Miracles and revelations come from God tend to happen in times of great want and loss which require God assistance and care. Maybe better if no longer need miracles, if needed good for people that God will provide.

Excellent...God prove yourself.

The 'weather forecast' for our deterministic universe, has already been foretold, there will be no miracles, we must save ourselves, we must build a 'Space Elevator', 2 min video)

@Anonimowany1

3 жыл бұрын

Why is our universe deterministic if matter consists of energy and quantum effects that are NON-DETERMINISTIC?

@Anonimowany1

3 жыл бұрын

The deterministic concept was created in a time where we knew nothing about the reality of our universe. We had no Einsteins General Relativity, no Quantum-Mechanics etc.

@Anonimowany1

3 жыл бұрын

On macroscopical level pretty much everything could be seen as deterministic and explainable. But whatever happens on macroscopic levels is afterall governed and ruled by the real-life nature of Quantum-Mechanics - Which are not deterministic. Sure there are a lot of biological processes which we can explain and therefore conclude determinism but these biological processes are at the end of the day formed by undeterministic quantum-reality. We can never, ever even in billions of billions of years with the best technology and quantum-computers ever possible ever determine simple occurrences only due to the quantum-effects which do not happen to be deterministic.

@ZafOsophy

3 жыл бұрын

I think, we will have to agree to disagree) Einstein: Relativity of time is not correct, I spent a huge amount of effort, building a 'time machine', to prove Einstein was wrong, watch my video) Depending on the number of data points we process, we can 'see' further into the future weather, e.g. the universe is deterministic)

@ezbody

3 жыл бұрын

The Universe was definitely meant to be deterministic, it's just that humans, as always, ruined it all.

It all comes down to whether you believe in magic or not and I stopped believing in that when I was a child.

And Jesus said unto his disciples, Tell fools that I rose from the dead and they will give you money ! And they were astonished at his words.

Awareness is known by awareness alone.

The only way I can rationalise miracles is if God is a cosmic coder and he re-writes certain code to allow for events to happen.

William craig sort of gives the ideal definition of what Miracle is. Because why would God violate the things that he created as beautiful? The idea of miracles as the violation does not seem to grasp the nature of what theologians call, the common grace. Scientists are certainly not the best people to ask what miracle is. You should ask them what the ordinary means of nature is, not miracles.

A magic show, the Status of Liberty has disappeared before your eyes. Is Science magic or magic is science? Is miracle magic or magic is miracle? Is Science miracle or miracle is science? Is God making science miracle? So, the bottom line is: Belief is to be or not to be. Reality is to be or not to be.

If god designed the laws of nature and laws of nature are same everywhere, isn't there only a one god?

19:39

I prayed to God to give me 5 winning poker hands. I was hoping for a miracle. He failed me. Is this proof that there are no miracles or proof that prayers don’t work?

@dankuchar6821

3 жыл бұрын

God wouldn't give you something just because you ask. He will only grant what is best for you. Would you give a child everything they ask for?

@philrobson7976

3 жыл бұрын

Cherian Reji Hello Cherian- I’m quite glad not to have an unseen, unknown entity caring for me. What if this entity made wrong decisions in guiding me? I feel I should be responsible for my life decisions. Don’t you?

@margaretbarrett6087

3 жыл бұрын

If god is omniscient and knows what we want before we ask for it, then isn’t prayer an insult to his omniscience ?

@dankuchar6821

3 жыл бұрын

@@margaretbarrett6087 Prayer is not about asking God for what WE want. Prayer is when we ask to know what God wants for us, then we ask for help as we try to do it. Prayer is when we try to align our will with God's. So, for me, prayer requires a lot more listening on my part than asking.

@margaretbarrett6087

3 жыл бұрын

Cherian Reji Well if the purpose is to beg god for a favour, then my comment stands. I suppose an alternative is to feed god’s narcissism.

The hubris of humans demanding the creator prove creations abilities...

Craig knows nothing of significance that a 5 year old wouldn't know!

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

How many 5 year olds have multiple publications in the most prestigious philosophy journals in the world?

@_a.z

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 Saying what exactly? I don't have a clue, therefore it's all magic? And who awarded these qualifications in sewing mist?

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

a. y Thank you for your very thoughtful and not at all ridiculous reply.

@_a.z

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 I was spot on. Do you have a reasoned reply?

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

a. y That is not a reasonable reconstruction of any of Craig’s arguments, and the people who determine what counts as a prestigious journals (and what goes in them) are professional, academic philosophers.

The very fact that one can think and keep it in memory is admiracle

Why not send an angel that will address all humans, once and for all and remove all doubts. The angel will be seen by all through TV from East to West, North to South. And the angel will advise humans what religion to follow. The angel will speak in all languages. Simple as that. In just few words it can be done. All the angel has to say is" hey guys there's a God and there's judgement day".

Beautiful discussions but as always I remain confused.

I do believe in miracles, however, miracles just add to the confusion...

i have noticed that planning, enthusiasm, persistence, careful planning have worked much better than praying to invisible friend for miracles

The Israelites went through the mist of the sea on dry ground, while the water 💧 formed a wall on their right hand and on their left. This happened as Exodus says, "During the morning watch." That is, about 200 a.m. until 6:00 a.m. The Timing of this eyewitness event denotes a miracle. See Exodus the 14th chapter, especially verses 21 and 22 NWT

For me, the consolation in the miracles, is in the ' restraint ' of so many of them. Done quietly, and with a request to ' tell no one '. I also see a kind of progression, in four of them..... Jairus ' daughter, brought back from the dead, with only her parents as direct witnesses.....then The son of the widow at Nain, lying shrouded on the bier, with his grieving mother .....then Lazarus....." by now he will smell "....... They all resurrect the dead, with ever more undeniability of their state, but they are called back to life in their existing bodies, which will die again.....then His own Resurrection, clearly within His power, but this time into his eternal body, of which we have no understanding.

If you believe in abiogenesis then life is a miracle.

It truly amazes me the extent to which otherwise intelligent persons such as Craig, go to such lengths to find some niche argument for the existence of God. Cut to the chase! Ours is the only reality we know for a fact. We live in a reality where suffering is at the core & mandatory prerequisite for the existence for all living things. Only the fit survived through evolution at the expense of all other living organisms and here were are presently. How Dr. Craig, can you even remotely find a “PURPOSE” within this reality? Every single human being would prefer a reality where each of us survives bodily death. But this is Extraordinary wish thinking & one simply cannot fit this square peg into the round hole, or into the “factual reality” we do know to be fact!

Richard Swinburne just waffles on as if he's making a valid argument, but it's just word salad nonsense! With every single religion there's absolutely no reference to anywhere else in the Cosmos. If we are center stage, and God's ultimate creation, that's a lot of wasted space for us mere humans on our tiny 3rd rock from the Sun.

12:08 'A miracle is a violation of natural law.' Means the supernatural is primary and the natural is secondary. No, that does not state it strongly enough. It means there is no 'the natural'. The natural is natural and can have no exceptions if it is natural. For the religious the world is not natural and any attempt to say it is is double talk.

True Story: In Slavery times a slave women was praying "Oh God, if I just had a dollar." Just then she heard a loud yell, "Moma, Moma I found a dollar!"

More than 10years ago, one night somebody saw me walking headless. Its legit for real. How Can science explain that?

The early Christians ( in ancient times ) learned how to make potable water, heal their sickness, make wine, etc., they called it magic or miracle. Modern Christians call it scientific process. Christ represents wisdom/ knowledge/understanding/ reason/education/science/ technology ( baptism in spirit). John the baptizer represents religions/ beliefs ( baptism in water ). They are in tandem and they are represented by churches and schools. In the gospel of Luke Chapter 1, they are cousins. The story of the birth of John and Jesus tells us about the emergence of religions/ beliefs ( baptism in water ) and understanding/education/science ( baptism in spirit ).

According to Swinburne, God needs you to pray so he notices you ? Hang on I thought he was everywhere, even in that cupboard under the stairs, and knew everything, including your "naughty " thoughts. I find Swinburne entirely unconvincing and also slimy.

Laws of physics are miracles them selves

Walter Sinnott-Armstrong (Law Professor at Dartmouth) argued that the apostles lied in connection with Jesus' resurrection - so they made a plot. But could they? How could they be sure that none of them would tell the truth later? And how noone among them spoke about such a (supposed) lie inspite of the heavy persecution they suffered for this claim? This argument is extremely unlikely from a psychological point of view and he might understand this as an expert of the legal system, too. Ha also argued that the stories about miracles - like Jesus' resurrection - were written down only 30 to 100 years after the supposed events and that is long enuogh time for legends to be produced. But this is a wrong argument because the apostles could be easily refuted by their enemies, the other Jews who did not believe in Jesus' messianic claim - they could tell the apostles that "you speak about miracles when everyone knows Jesus has not done any miracles". But they didn't speak so. Even the Jewish manuscript, the Babylonian Talmud accused Jesus of being a Black Magician and doing miracles by the demons' power rather than claiming he has done no miracles. Josephus Flavius the former Jewish Roman historian wrote about Jesus being a wise man doing "perplexing" deeds. And besides these, Apostle Paul really did miracles when staying in one of the earliest Christian communities in Corinth. And also he or someone else performed miracles in another one (among the Galatians) and the knowledge about these latter was also common for him and the adressees of his letters. We know these because he wrote about the facts of these miracles in his letters (2 Cor 12, 12; Gal 3, 4-5). If these mentioned miracles had not happened then the readers of his letters would have found his claims ridiculous and him uncreditable. And then they could have refuted him and reproach him for these false claims and would have turned away from him as from a fool or charlatan. He even had a passionate debate with the Galatians in that letter, arguing against their beliefs - so if he had referred to imaginary miracles in his argumentation, then he would have made himself a massive and just target of attacks from his opponents and he knew this. So it is logical, a claim of common sense that he referred to miracles that really happened. (It is to be mentioned that he also had some earlier conflict with the Corinthians - so referring to miracles that never happened would have meant an elevated risk for him in their case, too. „We took you seriously when you disciplined us recently and now you refer to some 'miracles' that never happened among us? How do you dare? We will never give your words any credit again.”) „I persevered in demonstrating among you the marks of a true apostle, including signs, wonders and miracles„ - he wrote to the Corinthians. „So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?„ - he wrote to the Galatians. Should we suppose that people were so credulous that although Paul did not do any miracles still the majority of those people was firmly convinced that he had done some - based on nothing? Perhaps he "healed" some sick, who still died a few days later... And people still thought about these cases that he really healed them... Inspite of the pain of losing their parents, their children... And even in two places and in several cases... And not even the majority firmly believed so despite all of these - but they must have surely believed, according to this concept. So Paul himself could calmly build upon their belief in those never existing miracles when he referred to them in his letters. This seems to suppose that people were simply fools. Were they really? Or what? For me this is what seems to be a suspicious and weak argument. And then the opposite possibility as very likely and convincing: that Paul really did miracles there.

@redandblue323

2 жыл бұрын

These are all old, tired apologetic arguments and you really should drop them.

@akostarkanyi825

2 жыл бұрын

@@redandblue323 "tired apologetic arguments " Or perhaps you are too tired to think about a convincing counter-argument. Sleep, relax and think on it later when you are not tired. I am patient (and curious). :-)

@redandblue323

2 жыл бұрын

@@akostarkanyi825 They are old and tired as hell. The whole thing about "the apostles were trustworthy" and "what about the persecution they suffered." It doesn't prove anything. Even if the original disciples sincerely believed Jesus rose from the dead and were willing to suffer for it, it does not follow that Jesus must have risen from the dead. There are plenty of examples of deluded people willing to die for causes that are patently false. Look at the followers of David Koresh or Jim Jones, or the Heaven's Gate cult. They were willing to die for their cause. Does that prove it's true? Also, do me a favor and try to sort out the order of the resurrection appearances in the Gospels. They are hopelessly contradictory. You cannot iron them out into a plausible historical narrative. Go read D. F. Strauss "The Life of Jesus Critically Examined".....or just check out this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lpZpypmIf8_WXbg.html

@akostarkanyi825

2 жыл бұрын

@@redandblue323 "do me a favor and try to sort out the order of the resurrection appearances in the Gospels. They are hopelessly contradictory. You cannot iron them out into a plausible historical narrative" You can (and I did it successfully) but this is not my point. (I just mention that seeming contradictions decrease and not increase the probability that it was a fabricated plot.) Here, my main pont is what I wrote about Paul. By the way as far as I remember the followers of David Koresh or Jim Jones did not say their leader resurrected from the dead or that they did obvious miracles in front of several wittnesses. (I did not study their cases in detail. Anyway, my main argument is about Paul and the cases of miracles he mentioned in his letters.) If you are interested how a plausible historical narrative about the resurrection events can be described I will write that story here - but again, Paul's letters mean the starting point.

@redandblue323

2 жыл бұрын

@@akostarkanyi825 Ok, tell me this: Which command did the risen Jesus give to his disciples: to remain in Jerusalem until they received the spirit (Luke) or to go to Galilee to see him (Matthew)? When did Jesus ascend to heaven? Easter Sunday as in Luke, or 40 days later as in Acts? Why, in the Gospel of John at the lakeside appearance, have the disciples returned to fishing instead of evangelizing the world from Jerusalem, as in Acts? When did that appearance take place in relation to all the others? Why does Mark say the women who saw the angel at the tomb "went and said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid?" If that is true, how does Mark know it happened?

Miracles? Don't be daft

Walter Sinnott-Armstrong also claimed that miracles must have been involved in the life histories of founders of great world religions - after Mr. Kuhn suggested that this used to be the case. But the counterexamples are more numerous: LaoTze, Confucius, Buddha, Mohamed - no miracles justified their teachings and they did not try to justify themselves as "teachers of the truth" by them. Still they could found great world religions with masses of followers. "He was a nice guy and had nice things to say" - such fellows, "they don't survive" without the support of (supposed) miracles, he said. Mohamed, Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tze... Yes, they survived and succeeded. The Jewish and Christian religion described cases of miracles as proof - but these not. And the claim (from Mr. Kuhn) of "most great religions based on desciptions of miracles to justify itself or its founder" being not true the explanation for this non-existant fact (from Walter Sinnott-Armstrong) is useless and irrelevant.

… Scientific training does not force me to believe no God. Scientific training give me “There's not just ‘unknown known’; there's more ‘unknown unknowns’.”

This infinite OP being just needs one thing from humans! That is believing in Him... but to believe in Him, you NEED to LISTEN to what older people have you say because He will never show Himself... spooky action at a distance and close by!

I do believe in miracles. 🤞

Paul was not a disciple of Jesus but a persecutor he saw Jesus and spent the rest of his life running for his life from the jews.i don't think people would lie about such things because theses things would not have made sense to them from scripture and culture.if they knew Jesus was the Christ they would not have killed him . people could not understand until a revelation.even Mary mistakes Jesus for the gardener ,not a very reliable testimony to record if she was lying.it would make people think he was the gardener not a helpful thing to mention in a lie

Your very existence is a miracle Every livingthing is a miracle

@margaretbarrett6087

3 жыл бұрын

RATNA SAHU Do you know Walt Whitman’s poem, “Miracles” ?

@reyromeoviray7578

3 жыл бұрын

In ancient times they called it magic or miracle, in our modern times we call it scientific process.

God violated the law of nature by choosing side and has favorite people, the Israelites and deserted Egypt

@Tom_Quixote

Жыл бұрын

I guess god really liked their recipe for hummus

Stephen Hawking himself wrote in his book "The Grand Design" that it is possible to manipulate and give a different form and shape to real life matter. The procedure is to cool it down to 0°K (-273,15°C) (Here the uncertainty principle, quantum mechanics and the wave like nature of the matter takes over) where now the wave-funcition of different matter particles from initially different wave-lengths fuses called: "Bose-Einstein condensate" into one single coherent wave-function (from many different ones) and acts as one. Doing this we already discovered new properties and attributes of matter that we can use and replicate. One could even create a totally new state of matter after fusing different wave-lengths and then interchange it back to the particle state.

@Anonimowany1

3 жыл бұрын

Theoretically it would be possible to manipulate and change matter into different kind of matter. 1. As I stated before by Quantum Effects. combined with + 2. Afterall Energy equals mass. E=mc². We obviously can not do that. But theoretically it is within the realm of possibilities. So if we can not do that... What if there was someone who can? At least it's physically possible so it wouldn't be a miracle anymore. God could act and use the physical laws to create "miracles". Laws/ miracles which are allowed by mother nature. :)

Why do people feel God has to Prove himself all the time and perform miracles so the whole World to see? He wants you to Believe in him with your heart and Soul and when in need God he just might perform a miracle or make that adjustment in your life, It may be obvious or it maty not and you may think it was a hell of a coincidence. I Believe we are here on this Earth to live our lives to the best of our ability. I believe it might just be a test to see how we live our lives and treat one another but more importantly to see how much love we have for our creator and how much Faith do you have? We can't explain everything it doesn't always have an answer.

If you see somebody walk on water , for a simple person it must be a magic thing or a demon work but if he is prophet that means a new law of (nature) has emerged , every living thing is a miracle but we took it for granted ,, like Khun said we are afraid if our children don't speak but when they did we just forget that miraculous thing of talking"

God sent me a message in my cereal. In my spoon was the word "Oooooo". It's a miracle. What does it mean?

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm... what "cereal" were you eating?

@Tom_Quixote

Жыл бұрын

Those were the signs of the six sacred meatballs.

There is no such thing as miracles, only good luck and bad luck.

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

How do you know?

@Astronut54

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 There is no God. Miracles are divine dispensations. No God, no miracles. capesh?

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

John Alvarado How do you know that there is no God?

Sir with my great respect to you I want to put my view on Miracle..I think sir you are confusing God's miracles with Magicians..God miracles are different..you will only find it in Bible Quran and Torah...you will find the difference between Magic and God's Miracles

But why, for instance, none miracle has ever happened in someone with muscles dystrophy or congenital lack of the protein titina?

The most important miracle for anyone to consider is the resurrection of Jesus Christ after his death on a cross.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

Were you there to see it?

@dennistucker1153

3 жыл бұрын

I'll consider it when I see compelling evidence of it.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@ferdinandkraft857 Of course not. But it's the major belief of Christianity so if it never happened, then Christianity is a fake. I know that basically the New Testament says that some female disciples of Jesus found the tomb empty. And according to historians, the culture back then did not give much credence to the testimony of women.

@johnbrzykcy3076

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennistucker1153 Hey... I almost replied to your comment about cereal, and then I realized that's a different post. Hahahaha

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

Dennis Tucker www.lydiamcgrew.com/Resurrectionarticlesinglefile.pdf

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus

@Tom_Quixote

Жыл бұрын

I'm an atheist, but I think it's a weak argument. Maybe god is just evil. He'd still be god. We have no higher office to complain about him. Or maybe he is not really omnipotent but just really extremely powerful. We'd still be forced to call him god.

Miracles made easy for unbelievers: 1. Science avances. 2. Therefore time travel to the past will become a reality, and resurrecting the dead also. 3. Conclusion: Miracles can be possible seen as effects created by people from the future. No that difficult.

@Tom_Quixote

Жыл бұрын

There is no guarantee science will advance forever. It already pretty much stopped.

@antoniomoyal

Жыл бұрын

@@Tom_Quixote If it has advanced until now, chances are it will keep evolving. Although humanity in this world cannot survive due to thermal death of the universe.

Prayers can manifest miracles. But, eventually we need to die. I'm not talking about body death but, ego death. Once ego dies there is no desire for miracles

Some evidence of miracles and revelation could be survival and thriving of people when no longer appears possible and against overwhelming odds.

Hi Dr. Robert Lawrence Kuhn! In my humbled opinion, please consider doing an episode on miracles that have been witnessed by nonbelievers and medically verified! I would interview a medical doctor, who is a nonbeliever, and witnessed a medical miracle of a patient (who's family is religious). I hope you discover the Truth, someday!!! :)

@Tom_Quixote

Жыл бұрын

I think that would be a very short episode.

Sry, but this atheist dude is really not making a good defense of atheism... he is straight up saying "miracles are not possible because anyone who sees one or claims one is obviously compromised"... this is not a valid argument, it is a childish one. There are far better arguments against miracles than his claptrap.

This is hilarious! Had me laughing so hard I almost shat myself! More comedy like this please!

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

What’s funny about it?

I personally had two miracles in my life and I am in my 60's . Robert wants to believe in God. I feel he should look at people who have NDE's and personal miracles. There are many creditable people who have had NDE's and miracles.

@Ploskkky

3 жыл бұрын

Problem is that Robert as a former neuroscientist knows too much about the brain to fall for the NDE stories.

hahahahaha what gibberish!!!!

Miracles have a lot in common with other, more common psi events. When they happen in a religious context, they are assigned the status of miraculous. People who resolutely refuse to entertain the idea of miracles, tend not to accept psi. People who accept psi but not miracles, are prejudiced against the context in which they occur.

This guy think’s he is God, but “god” shame

WLC is like a child that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and is just spewing any bit of gobblygook he can come up with to avoid being punished.

@grantstevensbreak

8 ай бұрын

Lol good point - it almost seemed like he was making sense, but then I saw this comment and realized he was literally speaking gibberish!

Richard is lying for god

A miracle is God expressing his omnipotence through action, so it's all relative because what might be a miracle to us probably Isn't a miracle to God.

@AtheistCook

3 жыл бұрын

Once you start having invisible friends. Then, you can pretty much believe anything..

@williamburts5495

3 жыл бұрын

@@AtheistCook If I'm having invisible friends then anything is possible.

Keep looking for he will find you ... Clear your mind and heart and ya shall SEE once you SEE the truth position will reveal itself to you Sounds familiar ? I should add that a miracle is only perceived as a miracle within the limited realm of quantum laws we know today. Looking for god is a noble quest for knowledge

A few "miracles" doesn't prove that "God" exists. Coincidences HAPPEN. Walter S Armstrong is wise. Non-miracles far outweighs miracles. Bah!

@akostarkanyi825

3 жыл бұрын

Coincidences happen. Bur no dead person arises coincidentally. No food is multyplied coincidentally. No water is turned into wine coincidentally.

@ingenuity168

3 жыл бұрын

@@akostarkanyi825 All are tall tales.

@akostarkanyi825

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingenuity168 Apostle Paul really did miracles when staying in one of the earliest Christian communities in Corinth. And also he or someone else performed miracles in another one (among the Galatians) and the knowledge about these latter was also common for him and the adressees of his letters. We know these because he wrote about the facts of these miracles in his letters (2 Cor 12, 12; Gal 3, 4-5). If these mentioned miracles had not happened then the readers of his letters would have found his claims ridiculous and him uncreditable. And then they could have refuted him and reproach him for these false claims and would have turned away from him as from a fool or charlatan. He even had a passionate debate with the Galatians in that letter, arguing against their beliefs - so if he had referred to imaginary miracles in his argumentation, then he would have made himself a massive and just target of attacks from his opponents and he knew this. So it is logical, a claim of common sense that he referred to miracles that really happened. (It is to be mentioned that he also had some earlier conflict with the Corinthians - so referring to miracles that never happened would have meant an elevated risk for him in their case, too. „We took you seriously when you disciplined us recently and now you refer to some 'miracles' that never happened among us? How do you dare? We will never give your words any credit again.”) „I persevered in demonstrating among you the marks of a true apostle, including signs, wonders and miracles„ - he wrote to the Corinthians. „So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?„ - he wrote to the Galatians. Should we suppose that people were so credulous that although Paul did not do any miracles still the majority of those people was firmly convinced that he had done some - based on nothing? Perhaps he "healed" some sick, who still died a few days later... And people still thought about these cases that he really healed them... Inspite of the pain of losing their parents, their children... And even in two places and in several cases... And not even the majority firmly believed so despite all of these - but they must have surely believed, according to this concept. So Paul himself could calmly build upon their belief in those never existing miracles when he referred to them in his letters. This seems to suppose that people were simply fools. Were they really? Or what? For me this is what seems to be a suspicious and weak argument. And then the opposite possibility as very likely and convincing: that Paul really did miracles there.

@ingenuity168

3 жыл бұрын

@@akostarkanyi825 I'd love to accept that, but why no miracle workers in this era? Doesn't that look suspicious?

@akostarkanyi825

3 жыл бұрын

@@ingenuity168 An account of several miracles in the last three decades here: www.amazon.com/Lord-Renew-Your-Wonders-Spiritual/dp/1593253230

Regarding miracles (signs). Jesus was asked by the Jews for a sign. His response - I am the sign. “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here." Jesus - Matthew 12 But what if someone came back from the dead to testify? “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16. More on signs and worldly wisdom... "Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength." 1 Corinthians 1

Always referring to his "god" as "he". Shows you where the whole idea of a god came from.

" i saw George Bush walk on water!" who are the believers? they all republicans! priceless....

Miracle is a miracle because we can NOT ever comprehend it. This debate is actually senseless. If we were to explain it, it wouldnt be a miracle anymore. End of discussion lol. Now either you believe in it or not. Simpleeee.