One thing I admire about Lawrence Kuhn is he knows the knowledge from his interviewees but he can remain silent and listen to them so attentively... Just like he learns about that for the first time.

@DanielThomasArgueta

2 жыл бұрын

Very true.

@stoictraveler1

Жыл бұрын

Usually he does, but not always. He is certainly a skilled interviewer and digs appropriately.

@waldwassermann

Жыл бұрын

Yes; he must have a deeper understanding alright... It would be nice though if he would do an interview featuring himself once though.

@davidmudry5622

Жыл бұрын

In the beginning God said let there be dinosaurs

@rickblack4

7 ай бұрын

​@@stoictraveler100000000000000000000000000000000000000000+Qq

This channel is so precious.

@911TruthFighter

3 жыл бұрын

Surely is.

@Aguijon1982

2 жыл бұрын

And so pseudoscientific

You telling me I watched this whole thing and I still don’t know the meaning of life, god and the universe! Damn!

@richardrose2606

2 ай бұрын

It's 42

Michio answers every question like he is answering for a documentary. Cracks me up. Big fan of his, but every answer of his feels rehearsed or pre-thought out (which maybe it was).

@jdsguam

9 ай бұрын

That is exactly how I feel.

This is one my my favorite YT channels. He examines the big topics, and speaks to physicists, various theologians, philosophers, etc, and never really pushes one vs another answer. That is, he leaves it to the viewer to decide. The "fine tuned" universe one of the most interesting and potentially important topic in all of cosmology I think, whether there's a higher consciousness behind or not. While I'm agnostic on a good day, the fine tuning that exists, hard to blame some for concluding it didn't happen by shear coincidence...

@snatchsnatcher9084

Жыл бұрын

an omnipotent god wouldn't need to tune anything. it should be able to go what it wants

@heartfeltteaching

7 ай бұрын

@@snatchsnatcher9084Who said God needed to? He chose to do so. None of that contradicts omnipotence.

I could rewatch CTT episodes and still be fascinated, again and again.

@jedi4049

2 жыл бұрын

doing it now agreed

New to the channel, and I'm hopelessly hooked. I actually found intelligent life on the internet

@pureenergy4578

2 жыл бұрын

The physicist Barbara Brennan wrote the book HANDS OF LIGHT. This makes HER more intelligent because she wrote that we are eternal electrical energy fields projecting our own holographic bodies ! Therefore we can't die because we are constantly being created.

@user-dc4bl1cu2k

6 ай бұрын

Then you probably subscribed

Michio Kaku said that the culmination of the goldilocks zones is equivalent to a plane being ripped apart in a hurricane and then being reassembled exactly as it was before, but then he concludes that it is because he was in thr right universe. I guarantee, if he were on that plane and saw all that took place, he would not think, "Oh, well I just happened to be in the right universe for that to have happened." Instead, he would believe that a being of emense power made that happen and he would try to figure out who did it. The blatant willful ignorance of his conclusion is mind-blowing. Then he says that alien civilizations could create and evolve universes to no end, but disregards God. I'm pretty sure that's the definition of denial, self-deception and cognitive dissonance.

@jedi4049

2 жыл бұрын

Kaku believes in God he just seems to downplay it. Many physicists are believers I think science furthers the proof of God.

@gamnamoo6195

Жыл бұрын

Atheism is not so much a matter of letting reason to do its work in full scope as will deciding to which direction reason would serve. An atheist claims that he/she is perfectly rational while, whether he/she is aware or not, that reason of his/hers secretly is serving to confirm the direction he/she chose initially.

@khalidtamr8856

7 ай бұрын

Another thing that goes under the radar: we often discuss the odds of the initial conditions or the laws and constants- we rarely discuss the odds of the universe evolving in a way to create life. Just because the universe had the conditions to support life does not necessitate life to arise. Yet it does, which is even more mind- boggling

@kenkaplan3654

3 ай бұрын

Agree. The way I originally heard it is a hurricane sweeps through a junkyard and creates a completely assembled 747. The evasion concerning design is monumental

The notion of a tiny change in parameters is flawed I'm afraid. First, we don't know which of those 'parameters' are actually independent. Next, we don't know if some of them are even flexible at all. Even if so, saying 'a tiny change in value' is subjective. Mathematically speaking there is no implied/default order of magnitude to consider any such value. Is 0.0001% a small change or a big one? Well it depends on the possible range for the value and this we don't know. So we simply cannot say there is any 'tuning' here, all we know is the parameters seem fixed in time, long enough for some kind of complex life to evolve. Still, the vast majority of the universe is very inhospitable to any life. Even if the universe was somehow put into place by an agent, it's been made a very hostile place for conscious beings to exist in.

@123argonaut

3 жыл бұрын

"Even if the universe was somehow put into place by an agent, it's been made a very hostile place for conscious beings to exist in." This video is all about "the fine-tuning argument", which got me interested in "spirituality", I put spirituality in quotation marks, because, well... the agent is clearly several orders of magnitude more complex than us, and, we know from people who have experienced non-duality, that it's not even a question of "becoming one with everything else", what you experience in those states can't be put into words; in fact, the agent can in many ways be said to have created a condition wherein consciousness comes into existence, and consiousness needs the experience of duality to exist, so, in other words, the agent... created consciousness? Life, "the soul". Take the term "spirituality" with a grain of salt, you know, like placeholder art. A bit of a detour, but yeah, I'll comment on the quote now, see... if you "know God is the truth", then you want to have an answer to such a question as well, right? Why only us? Is it only us? Why all that empty space? If the agent created the Universe for life to exist, why is life an exeption to the rule? After all, what this is, is rocks of different sizes and then, for some reason, us. I think that this is a litmus test. Earth is a seed planet, from which life can spread, but it won't spread until we're both intelligent enough and empathetic enough, and if we're intelligent but not empathetic, well... then it might very well be that mankind won't be allowed to "the next level". After all, think of all the billions upon billions of possible hells that God would have to create were mankind to spread to other planets only thinking about money and greed. No, it's better to contain the threat that is mankind and either have it destroy itself or know God and spread to the rest of the Universe. Right? Put simply, life starts simple and cruel, why would you let that happen on billions upon billions of planets if all you need is a seed that spreads when it's intelligent and empathetic enough? Are there life on other planets? Probably, but it's a rare occasion. Will we activate the great brain that is the Universe or are we just a form of complex cancer never becoming anything?

@123argonaut

3 жыл бұрын

" Is 0.0001% a small change or a big one? Well it depends on the possible range for the value and this we don't know." I think that Einstein actually dismissed the cosmological constant initially. He had it in his equations but this was before the Hubble telescope and the Big Bang, and so, he thought the Universe was fixed/static, but when he found out about the Big Bang he... something, he thought it was the gravest error of his career or something like that.

@Al-oh9yr

2 жыл бұрын

Stfu

@laurianejessica4412

2 жыл бұрын

I am really fascinated by your answer Dennis K

@HarryNicNicholas

2 жыл бұрын

@@123argonaut god equates to pixies, the sooner people grow out of superstition, the sooner we can get on with an adult existence. if the universe is fine tuned it means god has to follow the laws of physics, cos if any of the numbers varies by a large amount none of us wouldbe here, when surely god could throw in any values he wanted and we wouldn;t know the difference, as far as the universe is concerned all those values in the fine tuning are "1". god really enjoys this game of hide and seek.

I often get more meaningful information and clarity from RJK’s questions than from the interviewee.

@richardatkinson4710

7 ай бұрын

I agree. Kuhn is an excellent interviewer, focusing his interviewees on the question in hand, and being so well-informed that he can summarise a rambling argument and move “next business” with authority. He reminds me of the space traveller in the story (Larry Niven) who is chatting to a human on some planet, exchanging their views on the search for meaning. At some point the human asks how long the alien has been searching without success, and the answer is maybe tens of thousands of years (if my memory is right). The human philosopher is then totally pessimistic - how can he hope to succeed in a human lifetime? Kuhn seems to have made his intellectual journey on a vast scale, more than most of us could hope. But he’s still searching.

I always thought of God as the deepening connection with pain. After all, without that, we don't permit understanding to inform us of the essence of empathy or compassion. With no feelings of pain, we become bereft and cold. We no longer learn the value of trust and with that, descend into mutual enmity. God's love and our ability to understand it, rely on this visceral awareness. Anyone who has grieved profoundly knows the mercy found in the relief found in the healing power of the gradual acceptance of loss.

Wonderful balanced discussion

love these shows btw

"It is fine-tuned, perhaps fine-tuned by luck." Emphasize on 'perhaps'. "this would require a super, super advanced civilization to be able to create--" "unimaginably advanced" Let's simplify: God.

@user-tn3fo3pj2x

3 жыл бұрын

why there is a 'fine tuning' is exactly the motivation of this channel, if you can crack this code, then you can create your own channel, i will be the first to subscribe

@guym1234

3 жыл бұрын

You missed the entire point obviously.........typical creationist

@paulwillisorg

2 жыл бұрын

@@guym1234

@tobyc8668

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. A helpful way to make a reasoned case for God’s existence is to ask: which context makes the best sense of important features of the universe and of human existence? For example, we are aware of the existence of consciousness, free will or a presumed personal responsibility, personhood, rationality, duties, and human value-not to mention the beginning, fine-tuning, and beauties of the universe. These are hardly surprising if a intelligent, personal, conscious, rational, creative, powerful, and wise God exists. However, these phenomena are quite startling or shocking if they are the result of deterministic, valueless, non-conscious, unguided, non-rational material processes. We have every reason to think a naturalistic world would not yield these phenomena. The entire Universe is built on the transcendental constants e, π. many of the fundamental laws of physics and other sciences rely over and over again on these two mathematical constants. These two numbers are encoded through the ancient art of Gematria, by which the letters of ancient alphabets had assigned a numerical value, and so every letter, word or phrase written in Hebrew or in Greek, the languages used to write, respectively, the Old and the New Testament, have a numerical value associated to them. π is encoded in Genesis 1:1, the first verse of the Bible/Torah and of the Old Testament written in Hebrew. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth (Genesis 1:1) בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ׃ (Genesis 1:1) From the Hebrew alphanumeric code introduced around the 8th century BCE, And formula (NUMLETT*PROLETT/NUMWORD*PROWORD) = (28 * 2.3887 x 10^27) / (7 * 3.0415 x 10^17) = 3.1415...X10^17. it matches the actual value of π until the 3.1415. π is the number of the circle, of completion, of what is closed and self-contained; as such, it's a good mathematical reference to the concept of a God Creator of all things, and of a Creation that includes everything that was created by God; (John 1:3) This was encoded in the bible with a level of precision that was 2000 years ahead of Chinese mathematician Zu Chongzhi who got π close to about seven digits around the 5th century AD, surpassing his compatriot who got it close to three digits earlier in the 2nd century AD. e is encoded in John 1:1, the first verse of the gospel (John) of the New Testament written in Greek. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.(John 1:1) ἐν ἀρχηι ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (John 1:1) From the Greek alphanumeric code introduced around the 5th century BCE, And formula (NUMLETT*PROLETT/NUMWORD*PROWORD) = (52 * 8.4362 x 10^75)/ (17 * 9.4930 x 10^35) = 2.7183...X10^40. it matches the actual value of e until the 2.7183 e is the number of the relationship between the big and the small, of the bridge between the infinitesimal and the infinite; what number could be better associated with the Son, the One who was Sent by the Father, the One who is the only bridge for mankind to the infinite God who created the universe. (John 14:6) The Son who is the living word of God which was made flesh (John 1:14) Whose name is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13) The Euler's number was encoded some 1500 years before the human kind first discovered its existence and importance in 1683 by Jacob Bernoulli. The fine structure constant (α) value can be also derived from the above two key verses by combining the verse gematria values of Genesis 1:1 with John 1:1 and calculating it's base value. The fine structure constant (α) value is considered the greatest mysteries of physics. Without it, it would be impossible to form even simple structures like atoms, molecules, planets, or stars. Verse gematria = Sum of all letter values. (Genesis 1:1 = 2701 & John 1:1 = 3627) you would get the fine structure constant (α) derived as 27013627^2 =0.00729736..e17. Given that the current α approx value recommended is currently 0.00729735. In fact, it was only in 1916 that this magic number was first introduced by Arnold Sommerfeld. Furthermore, there is a pattern in the verse Gematria of Genesis 1:1 to John 1:1 = 2701-3627 = |27|01-36|27|; There are exactly a total of 27 books in the New Testaments which are the Word of God (Jesus Christ the Son). John 1:14 states that Jesus Christ is the Word of God which was made flesh and the only begotten of the father. Whose name is the Word of God (Revelation 19:13) Revelation 22:13 states that Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending. Revelation 13:18 states that the number of the antichrist who will deceive the world in the end days is 666. And, the sum of integers from the beginning of 1 to 36 is exactly 666. Hence, (27) (01-36) (27) = (Jesus-the Alpha) -> (From the beginning to the end of the anti-christ 666) -> (Jesus-the Omega). In addition, The Golden Ratio Phi (φ) is encoded in Hebrew 8:5 when God spoke to Moses and reveal to him the pattern in which all things are made in accordance to. Hebrew 8:5 states: "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount." οἵτινες ὑποδείγματι καὶ σκιᾷ λατρεύουσιν τῶν ἐπουρανίων, καθὼς κεχρημάτισται μωϊσῆς μέλλων ἐπιτελεῖν τὴν σκηνήν, ὅρα γάρ, φησίν, ποιήσεις πάντα κατὰ τὸν τύπον τὸν δειχθέντα σοι ἐν τῶ ὄρει· (Hebrew 8:5) From the Greek alphanumeric code introduced around the 5th century BCE, And the same formula (NUMLETT*PROLETT/NUMWORD*PROWORD) = (156 * 2.2252 x 10^235)/ (28 * 7.6621 x 10^74) = 1.6180...X10^161. it matches the actual value of φ until the 1.6180. The golden ratio (φ) is a pattern which is sometimes called the "divine proportion," because of its frequency in the natural world. For centuries, the golden ratio has fascinated all kinds of people, not just mathematicians. Physicists and biologists have studied it, architects and artists have used it, and worshippers have described it as a divine design. And through the centuries, the golden ratio has continued to amaze its diverse fans, frequently cropping up at unexpected places. Now, let's go to the simple common sense example: the smallest protein we know has 25 amino acids. The smaller and more simple proteins used as building blocks for the cell life and necessary to build DNA, from 50 to 100 amino acids as a minimum, and even thousands of amino acids in many cases. But let's consider a simple typical protein with some 50 amino acids. To think that this molecule could be the product of chance, of a coincidence, requires to accept that the 50 amino acids have been combined, in the right way and in the right order, by chance, by accident, by coincidence. At first glance it doesn't look impossible if we have millions of years to test combinations, right? This is the problem with big numbers, they easily dazzle those who think they have a common sense they lack. The probability of this event, if you computes it (And if you were to do a quick consultation to some biochemist to know the factors he'll have to take in account), even if all the atoms of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen and others necessary available in the universe were only used to build amino acids, and even if all these amino acids in the universe would only be trying once and again a possible configuration of 50 steps, without repeating those who had been already checked, from the moment the universe started existing until today, and at a rhythm of one trial for every second for every 50 amino acids, even so, the chance that by coincidence that protein would be formed in the universe after 15 billion years of trial would be less than one in billions. And if we consider a more realistic case, a protein with some 100 amino acids, then the corresponding probability would require universes of universes, and ages of the universe of ages of the universe, purely devoted to try every possible combination, without repeating those already tested, to have less than one chance in a trillion to make this happen for this small molecule. Origin: Probability of a Single Protein Forming by Chance kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWWTraePkabfkaQ.html let us then consider this perspective. There are 90,000 possible 5 digit numbers from 1.0000 to 9.9999 that could have occurred from a given equation. The chance that the digit sequence 3.1415 occurs by coincidence is therefore 1/90,000 in genesis 1:1. The chance that Euler’s number (e) is calculated from the Gospel of John 1:1 by the same equation to 5 correct digits, is also 1/90,000.The probability that both occur by random chance in these textually related verses is thus 1/90,000 x 1/90,000 = 1/ 8,100,000,000. If we add in the probability that the golden ratio could have been calculated up to 5 correct digits in the textually related Hebrew 8:5 with the same equation, you would get the probability increase to more than 1 in 7 trillion chance that this is just a coincidence. Furthermore, we have not even include the probability of the fine structure constant α being derived from combining the verse gematria from the forementioned genesis 1:1 & John 1:1. And, that both key verses gematria pattern confirms the AC number in the book of revelation. And, the exact number of new testament books which give us Jesus Christ the Son, the living word of God which was made flesh (The only bridge for our salvation).

@michelangelope830

Жыл бұрын

To religious people the fine tuning of the universe is evidence of the existence of a fine tuned intelligent designer perfect religious god. If it was improbable the existence of the universe without an external intelligent designer how improbable would be the existence of the personal religious god? Did the religious god choose to be perfect? Neither did the eternal miracle of Life and Death, that is perfect for being imperfect and mortal, because there is not life without death, choose to exist or be who we are because always existed. God, the miracle of Life and Death, just happened to exist. God is personal and impersonal impossibility possible miracle, because is ourselves and only ourselves can help each other without the need of prayers.

Lawrence Kune is surely fine tuned to lead us to the truth ! Thank you !

This is YOUR VERY BEST video ! This paints a very different picture of who YOU yourself are. I see them as all seeing the same thing but missing the simplest of points… I admire your fortitude!

Fine Tuning requires a Fine Tuner. A Fine Tuner that can predict how things will turn out when tuning the constant force of physics of the whole universe. Short answer GOD

@snatchsnatcher9084

Жыл бұрын

an omnipotent god shouldnt need to tune anything.

@sherriew36

Жыл бұрын

@@snatchsnatcher9084 According to whom? An Omnipotent God could also define what he does and why he does it.

@snatchsnatcher9084

Жыл бұрын

@@sherriew36 according to you.

What an astounding coincidence that I found my keys last night under the streetlight! No, for it is the only place the keys could be found.

@richardatkinson4710

7 ай бұрын

But the existence of a street light didn’t make you drop your keys there.

As always, excellent production, questions, and ideas... an exceptional guests!! One thing that always haunts me is that we, as humans, believe that everything must have a cause or creation... but we only know our own observable universe and the form of causation at is exits here locally. Maybe the universe is just a brute fact with no cause and no creation... it just IS. Fascinating to think about...

Just cannot understand why this channel hasn't had much greater audiences

@schmetterling4477

2 жыл бұрын

Because it is full of nonsense.

@schmetterling4477

11 ай бұрын

@@johnnastrom9400 No, kid. It's just under my feet. I like stomping on bullshitty things like this. ;-)

@schmetterling4477

11 ай бұрын

@@johnnastrom9400 I was simply paying attention in school, kid. Well, actually, I didn't even need school to know that "god" is just a scam. It was obvious to me when I was eight years old. ;-)

What a well poisoned question!

I would like a journey on how the concept of God developed in the human mind. Haven’t seen all episodes yet though. Great as usual Closer to Truth

@ozhoneybadger

3 жыл бұрын

The real question is. Where did your mind come from and your reasoning ability

@euqinimodllewdlac7477

3 жыл бұрын

@@ozhoneybadger Search for truth of the human condition is greater when we all ask (?)s

@ozhoneybadger

3 жыл бұрын

God created you. End of.

@euqinimodllewdlac7477

3 жыл бұрын

@@realitycheck1231 Good source of information; I heard this from other sources, Jordon Peterson covers the shadow and the ego; also J. Krishnamurti is also a great source

@euqinimodllewdlac7477

3 жыл бұрын

@The Mask As I was born my mother was a physical person so concept was not an issue; as for a God never was a concept til I was told there was a God by a person(s) and did not come from God(s).

I respect your intellectual endeavour.

A good book to read is Axis of Beginning that talks about this issue in a very unique way.

Surely the Universe is so unimaginably large that a certain amount of fine tuning and luck is going to occur in a small part of it?

@ishikawa1338

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps in infinity the. Absolutely anything and everything will and does happen and can even god existing and not existing . All thingsimagined and beyond could be and are happening all at once Perhaps life is not linear and it happens all at once but time is slowed down for us to perceive it. Such as this is nothing and in nothing time is zero

@phillustrator

Жыл бұрын

Fine tuning affects the physical constants and laws too, which are presumably the same everywhere in a universe, hence why people resort to an infinite multiverse.

@bikesrcool_1958

8 ай бұрын

You can’t run in random chances too long dude.

@khalidtamr8856

7 ай бұрын

@@phillustratorinfinite multiverse is the only logical solution to the problem besides an intelligent creator. Must be one or the other

@kenkaplan3654

3 ай бұрын

@@khalidtamr8856 There is no evidence for infinite (random) multiverse. There is beyond abundant (anecdotal for 3000 years) of a highly intelligent source beyond comprehension and much exploration into its properties. Anthropic principle is a desperate evasion and frankly. unseemly.

Proving yourself , the existence of God is bit different but requires a true faith and sincere practices.......You Will See Him As If He is constantly Holding everything....And does not necessarily contradict other three possiblities Indeed Allah is Greatest ❤️

Please advise Victor there will be two gaps that will outlast us all. Consciousness and abiogenesis. 11:12 Consciousness is regularly addressed on CTT, abiogenesis never is.

Before investigating the fine-tuning argument for life, perhaps specifying exactly what life is would be a good start?

@michaelanderson4849

3 жыл бұрын

@DOC TOR When I look for a scientific definition of life I can't find yours anywhere. Isn't that odd?

Dear Lawrence Kuhn, invite for interview Hugh Ross, it will be extremely interesting and he will answer many questions

@odiupickusclone-1526

3 жыл бұрын

LoL

@Mellownius

3 жыл бұрын

@Ψ 3 straw men ... in this instance real men but none are Hugh Ross ... he’s not like either of those men ... just saying

I would like this guy to answer the question, "Why are we not living in a Universe where it is impossible for life to exist?"

@GlossRabban

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine if God was real, and he was a real trickster. And to fuck with us he created a universe, where All science would show that we should not be able to exist. But there we were😂🤣

@joshkeeling82

3 жыл бұрын

Because if the universe were any different, we wouldn't be here to ask questions.

@radiowardenclyffe

3 жыл бұрын

Anthropic principle, fine tuning is not a "problem"

@wingsuiter2392

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshkeeling82 your statement is not factually true

@simplicityistheultimatesop6571

3 жыл бұрын

How are you going to find a lifeless place that supports life?

The journey to become a mere witness yet involved in everything.

@pureenergy4578

2 жыл бұрын

ONE with everything because everything is ONE.

The best channel on KZread

This is a random thought, sort of, but...does the concept of a god, needing to be perfect or complex, root itself in theology or tradition? Why can't it have all the same features in it's nature as anything else? A spade shuttle had flaws but it was still a masterclass in several ways. I am a hardcore agnostic type person but I do like to fully play out ideas and possibilities, just to sort of...try them out and see how they fit. So today let me try on some intelligent creator theory clothes Just as a thought experiment, I like to wonder how a microscopic being living on the top of our heads would view us humans, with all our wonderful creations and complexities, many of which we ourselves can barely explain, far from flawless but nonetheless still a wonder of nature. To the microscopic being we may seem perfect, but it would only be due to it's very very very limited perspective. Alternatively, with t's perspective being so incredibly limited, it would also be of no surprise that the being was incapable of perceiving us at all, and would then proudly deny our existence, all while standing on the top of our head, so small that it can't conceive a scenario where the very thing it is denying is actually the backdrop to it's entire reality, so to speak. So, again, as a thought experiment, applying this same principle to ourselves...if there were an inconceivably large creature, so large the we mistake it's form and presence to be our mundane setting and expansive, albeit insurmountable surroundings, it's creation would be so massive and mind-blowing that it would either be literally inconceivable to us...or those of us with the minds to trace the lines, would deem the concept of it's intelligence invalid due to supposed flaws in the design. But to the microscopic being, for it to wrap it's mind around say...the space shuttle I mentioned earlier, space travel and rocket science etc, even if it could pinpoint the flaws in our approach, our failures and shortcomings, setbacks and tragedies, even if it could...would that then discredit our mastery? I guess I would say that the purpose this thought experiment is....to remind myself of how drastic perspective can color my experience and that the complexities of even earthy human-based instances are so influenced by my perspective that I could see things all wrong and totally backwards, even having the smallest inaccuracy in my supposed information the topic. So perspective when applied to the problems of physics and quantum mechanics and such, for as deeply as we as a species can explain it and decode it, it seems to me that there is a good possibility that the true nature of things could be do incredibly being imagination that not only can we not perceive it all, but we don't currently even have the capacity to perceive it all ..so what would that do to our explanation of what it's all about? Then of course there's the possibility that even for all it's complexity and the things we have yet to discover and reveal, even with all that, we would still only be a cosmic accident or outlier. This is why I'm a strict agnostic, there's simply no way to be sure either way, and logic breaks down in all directions. Not out of a need for there to BE logic but because we don't have the logic necessary to explain everything, one way or another. But we do try. Hopefully one day it'll all make sense. Generations from now. Or maybe we go to another level of existence and learn more. There's only one way to find out.

@artblast2862

2 жыл бұрын

Hi dear, Maybe I understood you wrong, but it sounds like you meant, by DEATH, we can really find out the actual truth behind our existence. I will be so glad if I understood you in a wrong way. We are not here accidentally, someone made us. Cosmological constant, was it an accident ? Your DNA explaining to each cell how to function, was it also an accident ? Your cells to be able to read the DNA and function accordingly, is it a third accident ? The exact attraction forces between atoms, accident ? Your hormones-mind blowing-mini nano doses in your body, this extreme tuning, was an accident as well ? To have plantations, herbivores, carnivorous, each feeding on the other with different pre-designed DNA to survive, accident? Ah, let's not keep on repeating how fine tuned and pre-designed everything is, I mean, Michio Kaku said that chances are like that of a hurrican ripping a jet apart then reassemble it perfectly back again. How about the miracle of our ethics ? Our compass to right and wrong ? Why do we have that if we accidentally formed from dust of stars ? What is the need for it ? My dear, there is a mighty one who created you, designed you, and everything around you is pointing at him. With his existence, there will be a meaning, a cause. Without him, it is useless pain, continuous suffer, we will be nothing but stars' garbage, accidentally breathing and in our way to extinct.. No .. you are an honored being, an intelligent existence, God is connected to you, Get connected to him, work hard, do good, teach good, have faith in tomorrow. The one who made all of this is wise, smart, just and very dear. And why having thousand types of spider, if one is enough, why thousands types of cats and dogs, and so on.. it is to show you, unlimited talent of creation .. You will never be able to see God, not because he is soo big nr small. Time doesn't work for him , it is because.he.is out.of the universe.. Please download and read Holy Quran. Lovely evening

@m.935

Жыл бұрын

To answer the second question: because God is not a being, is not a creature, is not created, is not universe. God IS. God does not exist, only created can exist, God IS source of existance itself. Read Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologica if you are interested.

@m.935

Жыл бұрын

Here is great channel that might interest you: kzread.info

If the quantum universe had existed forever then it could in principle go through all possible states of arrangements. So, the so-called "fine tuned" universe that we apparently experience is obviously the state in an epoch suitable for us to be in it, as it is. Or, it's not so much the infinitely many universes but the one universe with infinitely many possible states of arrangements through infinite time till one like the present state arises that is obviously suitable for us to be able to evolve, experience, ponder upon and discover.

@guym1234

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much nailed it:)........

@haxstir

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this argument doesn't seem to come up much that the chances of our universe may have gone through an immense amount of false starts before hitting the right note. Still there might be other explanations that are not creationist centric. Another might be that the conditions before the big bang, possibly brane collision, might force a path of so called "fine tuning" due to the nature of those branes. But trying to theorise on the nature of those branes is going to be hard, impossible even.

@farhadfaisal9410

2 жыл бұрын

@@haxstir Thanks for your comment. I think the other explanation you alluded to is like shifting the "fine tuning" conundrum to the hypothesis of certain branes having the right kind of "nature" to do it. I guess you are right that to theorize consequently on it would be next to impossible. However, and more immediately, the alternative looks rather like a case of begging the question than a solution.

@haxstir

2 жыл бұрын

@@farhadfaisal9410 my feeling is that the brane could be like a very fine sieve through which water can pass and then funnel, dictating the nature of the water as it comes through the incident that started this universe. Actually now I think about it perhaps a little bit of reverse engineering might mean that those fine tuning parameters might indicate the nature of the first incident and also the structure of the branes that collided.

@obijuan3004

Жыл бұрын

Fine tuning is a religious word scam. If two cars collide on a freeway is the mess that is left behind of car parts, glass, metal, and plastic, “fine tuned?” Or is the result of two masses colliding with random forces, at random angles? The act of tuning is to adjust for precise functioning, like tuning a car engine. Religious people create the creator by fine tuning the words that they say. A chain reaction, is a chain of one thing reacting from another, by religious definition all chain reactions would be fine tuning. It’s all a word scam.

Have you ever wondered why do we tune things? The answer is really simple: because external restrictions force us to. The laws of physics force us to tune an engine in a specific way to make it work the way we want. That's the whole point of "tuning". What forced God (whatever they mean by that) to HAVE to tune the universe in a particular way? It seems more like a weakness, you know. The more "precise" the universe had to be tuned, the less powerful that God must be. With that fine-tuning argument they are calling their god weak 🤷‍♀️

@ishikawa1338

Жыл бұрын

Well.. think like this also maybe. We/life exist in all these known parameters and laws. Life knows nothing other then this so being able to fathom something beyond this and such n such is not something we can do because we come from what we are discovering

@vidhunhilton4611

3 ай бұрын

This is wat u call a blind faith 😂😂

Might be one of your best videos

Thinking A.I plus exponential growth obviously will be god like

@aggie7756

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, spaghetti tentacles and tomato sauce is all that is needed to be god-like....obviously!

@paulturner1973

3 жыл бұрын

I should have realised from the (now chillingly sinister) title of the channel that I was dealing with a nutcase rather than a seeker after scientific truths (as in verified ideas).

Wouldn't something that gives rise to a multiverse also need to be fine-tuned to allow for multiple universes to exist? Is it not just pushing the fine-tuning problem higher up rather than explaining anything?

@zahrazobiri9338

2 жыл бұрын

He gotta be an eternal being meaning he's not created he was always there

@djjfive

2 жыл бұрын

@@zahrazobiri9338 A creator should not be ruled out just yet, in my opinion. Science won’t go there because the empirical proof is, as yet, impossible. However, I find that no matter how far the fine-tuning problem is pushed further up, somewhere along the line, something had to be fine-tuned for anything to exist.

@zahrazobiri9338

2 жыл бұрын

@@djjfive God is fine tuned but he never had a beginning so he was not a coincidence or a creation he's eternal can I please ask are you an atheist just asking ❤

@djjfive

2 жыл бұрын

@@zahrazobiri9338 No, I am not an atheist...I’d say I’m agnostic. It’s seems atheists know a lot more than I do as do religious people... I’m open to whatever is the truth...

@zahrazobiri9338

2 жыл бұрын

@@djjfive I was thee as well am still there but if I came to any realisation its that there is a god and creator but I wish you luck in finding your self ❤

Great job. Regards

I’ve been characterizing the “universe” for its behavior to align with the properties of a character. It prefers mathematics as a language of expression and it avoids some behaviors via the property of least action. Mathematics is used in every single physics and chemistry notion ever. Your outline only adds to this character. It is not a being but, I believe the human has a limited ability to understand beyond a self reflection. That’s all. It’s fine tuning is an expression by freedom from limitation while chaos and enthropy are at the other end of the expression spectrum. Enter probability, please? Rather broad but all encompassing. There is no God but, it’s an excellent analogy. Love this stuff. Good work. Indeed we are not probable. Me, I’ve always contended that almost fifteen billion years is a long enough time to create that which we can’t imagine, us. simple!

Didn’t we just go through this a couple of days ago?

at 6-49 narrator says, if God had to intervene, then God is bad mathematician, likewise should God requires killing Jesus for his blood for mercy and salvation, then God is not God at all. Thank God, I am a Muslim.

@danielpaulson8838

3 жыл бұрын

Christianity and Islam share a common source and have more in common that differences. I'm with you though. That whole 'Jesus is son of God and came to die for your sins and if you just worship him and give to the church, you're heaven bound' is quite the crazy concept. That's a Roman teaching. Islam doesn't get that goofy at all.

@brandursimonsen4427

3 жыл бұрын

Once you have spent your entire life; What was it worth ? Was it required ? is there anything sacred about what became of you ? God's answer is. A life worth living is a life sown to multiply. I like the idea of this universe being a seed to multiple universes.

@micheal74rich

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielpaulson8838 _"Christianity and Islam share a common source and have more in common that differences. "_ Only commonality between "Christianity" and Islam is the person of Jesus, whereas Islam and Judaism has got more in common than Christianity. _"I'm with you though. "_ I am glad you are.

@micheal74rich

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandursimonsen4427 _"Once you have spent your entire life; What was it worth ? "_ What is worth for me is that my heart is at peace being a Muslim. _"is there anything sacred about what became of you ? "_ Only God is sacred and HIS words are sacred. _"A life worth living is a life sown to multiply. "_ Multiplying would happens whether one believe in God or not. _"I like the idea of this universe being a seed to multiple universes. "_ As a Muslim, I believe there is different dimension exists, possibly three separate dimension exists, each one its own universe.

@danielpaulson8838

3 жыл бұрын

@@micheal74rich I know Islam treats Jesus as a Prophet. I'm on board with that concept. And, I agree with you. I also know that Islam does not splinter at all like Christianity. Muslims tend to follow the Quran and strive to understand the teachings. Yes there are extreme whackos who make it bad for everyone on the world stage. I have friends who are Muslims and I get that. Christianity however goes so many different directions, they hardly sound like the same religion among Christians. They have their share of extremists too. But outside of that, the idea of Jesus returning and you only have to worship him is what destroyed Jesus' teachings. So many Christians simply think they can believe in Jesus then act anyway they feel like. This is often very hateful and hurtful in the name of God. I have friends that are Christians too. But not that kind. In fact, I don't care what a persons religion is. I only care what their heart is. My friends are also Buddhist and Hindu. Anyone will do as long as they're good people. My apologies if I was offensive to you.

25:03 Somebody said it, thank you!!

Prof. Kaku’s theory ostensibly makes the most sense, but it doesn’t discount “fine tuning”. Even if we are the product of survival of the fittest there still had to be a first. Since infinite regression is illogical who-or what-is the first mover, or universe, in Michio Kaku’s theory?

@cosmicwarrior9442

3 жыл бұрын

We can't talk about it

@michelangelope830

Жыл бұрын

To religious people the fine tuning of the universe is evidence of the existence of a fine tuned intelligent designer perfect religious god. If it was improbable the existence of the universe without an external intelligent designer how improbable would be the existence of the personal religious god? Did the religious god choose to be perfect? Neither did the eternal miracle of Life and Death, that is perfect for being imperfect and mortal because there is not life without death, choose to exist or be who we are because always existed. God, the miracle of Life and Death, just happened to exist. God is personal and impersonal impossibility possible miracle, because is ourselves and only ourselves can help each other without the need of prayers.

I totally agree With the first guy's philosophy

@rotorblade9508

3 жыл бұрын

But if the initial conditions are so unlikely to happen just like that then the existence of an entity that is way more complex than an ancient universe (no life, only particles, spacetime rules...) that can think and have consciousness just like that is infinitely more unlikely. So the only option left is a long series of modifications of laws that happened or emerged in certain regions or something we have no idea about.

@TheEtAdmirer

3 жыл бұрын

@@rotorblade9508 that's true, we simply just don't know. Want to know what I think?

@briansmith3791

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, i agree, apart from his narrow religious views. i was surprised that the interviewer didn't mention his talk with Roger Penrose, where Penrose spoke of his calculation that the Universe came from "incredibly complex Geometry", 1: 10^10^124. He said this number is a "demonstrable fact". It's my view that the Universe was created by something greater than us. What it is, i have no idea, but to believe this all came from random processes is hard to swallow. And what do you think?

@TheEtAdmirer

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Lawrence get a hold of me I would love to be your guest and explain to everybody once and for all what that book really means and what is really going on and everything that is at stake. The truth is unbelievable but it all ends up. I have evidence to support all of it. And more much more. We have all been cheated from what religion really is. It was a cycle started long ago. We have all felt victim. And we are all being cheated out of something much rather than what is being taught because of money. Money screwed everything up. I promise you the best interview you will ever have because I will answer the question that that motivates you. and you will finally have what it is that we all have been looking for.

Before the big bang was potential, not absolute nothing.

Recently, this question make me think about 'The Parable of the Sower.'

I chatted with a smart teenager once: He was telling me that he related god to his missing father that he has never met and who is never around. This father has told him through hearsay that he is loved and wants the best for him, yet he fails to show up every single time when really needed. How can you look up to and admire a person like this father? especially when that person has the supposed power to fix everything in the blink of an eye yet ignores to do so.

@bitkurd

10 ай бұрын

That’s correct, the reason god doesn’t fix anything because nothing is broken. Your language and intellect is deceiving you into believing that you are the thinker therefore there must be something wrong in the world. You will always ask questions no matter who or what or where you are.

@stevemartin6267

8 ай бұрын

For those of us who believe in God, He is not a missing father or even like a missing father. He is ever present. The underlying assumption misunderstands the reason for our existence here. That is, if there is a God, you might ask why is our existence not perfect? The answer is because we are not in heaven, ...yet. This life and our decisions will determine if we do get to Heaven. In this life, the permissive will of God allows us to exercise free will. That we can choose to reject God and reject good, means also that even if we choose a righteous life, the unsavoury decisions of others can adversely affect us; but only in this life. That others can do us harm and God does not intervene, can make us feel abandoned. Jesus understood that well when He prayed the Psalm while being crucified: "My God, my God why have you abandoned Me?" The smart teenager should try talking to God. God, unlike the teenager's biological father, actually does want a relationship with each one of us. We just mistakenly assume he is distant. Seek and ye shall find. He is right there, watching, even as you read this.

@kenkaplan3654

3 ай бұрын

That's one person's experience and mine of 57 years is "God" (a word we use) appeared to me in explosive personal revelation over initial years, and then like a river filling a channel began to bring understanding, coherence, and connection that opened to consistent deep immersion, and gradual but persistent expanding understanding of the "technology of consciousness" as it pertains to human life. Rather than constrictive its only desire is freedom. Once one connects and starts, there is no end. as the river flows to the sea. What it is conceived as and what it is are two very different things.

@richardrose2606

2 ай бұрын

Maybe there's a precious gift (free will) this "father" wants to give his son, but if he were present all the time and fixed all his problems it would make it impossible for his son to have this gift.

you can imagine that our universe is a simulation as oppose to multiverse, and the creator is the one who created the simulation...and the creator obeys the same physics in his universe..later when our civilization progresses we can create our own simulation, hence we become creator.

@romualdomendoza7659

3 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is the only fundamental thing because it take consciousness to create computer simulations. If base reality conscious being are creating a “endless loop” (paradox) of finite simulations, then we have to assume once again that we cannot runaway from a real conscious God that is deciding make the base reality conscious beings in the first place.

@pureenergy4578

2 жыл бұрын

Imagination itself is existence. As this creator imagines, out bursts forth images called us and this whole universe and everything else that exists. This is a holodeck creator which is why we are NOT physical. We are holograms because subatomic particles spin/pulsate SO FREAKING FAST that NOTHING can be physical or solid.

@kenkaplan3654

3 ай бұрын

The creator is the simulation, created out of its own infinite body. Brahman (the whole) and Atman (the individuated essence) are one and the same. "The center is everywhere at once and there is no place the center is not". Locality is an illusion, as is individuation.

Being alive is the miracle, isn’t it? It’s like winning the lotto or something

@stevenmyers3647

3 жыл бұрын

That depends on you idea of a "miracle". If we lived forever, that may be a miracle.

@robotaholic

3 жыл бұрын

Unless you were born with painful terminal cancer that many children are born with and they have a short and painful life. It just depends on your situation.

@MartinHeine77

3 жыл бұрын

The second lotto I feel like I won was my genetics for this consciousness being human, I get some understanding about this stuff. But I also see how that is me being egotistical, lol. I’m glad mainstream thinking doesn’t include reincarnation but I also understand how huge infinity is , and it scares me

@MartinHeine77

3 жыл бұрын

@Mohamed Taki I have this issue with eternal, when do I get a holiday? Or is this supposed to be it? Far out

@MartinHeine77

3 жыл бұрын

@Mohamed Taki I got it, you can get a holiday if you’re genetic code come out as say, a plant or a tree, lol

Destructive and Chaotic Systems are needed for a fine tuned universe. As they form part of a "Closed Loop System". It's called "Causality", and I find it very interesting that opponents of the "Fine Tuned Universe Theory" always neglect this in their hypotheses. For without "Destructive and Chaotic Systems" we would have a Universe that tends toward "Entropy".

Just keep it as a question.

The video title asks: - "Does a Fine-Tuned Universe Lead to God?" - Well, it certainly doesn't lead toward the "chance" hypothesis. I mean, isn't it extremely ironic that our exponentially growing accumulation of knowledge can reveal mind-blowing levels of complexity and order in how the universe is constructed, yet the more complex and ordered it seems to be, the more willing some humans are to think that the order is founded upon the blind and mindless stumblings of serendipity.

@mylord9340

3 жыл бұрын

So if the fine tuning of nature's constants suggests that there is a creator of our universe, what can we know about that creator? Would we not be left to speculate about the nature of that creator or creators?

@TheUltimateSeeds

3 жыл бұрын

​@@mylord9340 It depends on what the Creator's relationship to the universe actually is (ontologically speaking). In other words, if it is possible that the universe is the literal MIND of an incorporeal and transcendent consciousness (as is asserted in Berkeleyan philosophy), then we can speculate that not only is the universe created from the living mental fabric of the Creator's very own being,... ...but also that he (she/it) has been alive for however long necessary to reach a level of control over his mental holography to where he has been able to create the *illusion* (as seen from our limited perspective) that the universe is a natural occurring phenomenon. Now if the above is possibly true, then I suggest that the very least we can "know" about the Creator of our universe is that he (she/it) is as far above us in scope, consciousness, and abilities as we are above amoebas. _______

@mylord9340

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltimateSeeds thanks for that. To your last point, if there is indeed a creator of the universe, is it not in the realm of possibility that it may have stumbled into creating the universe unintentionally? And do you have any idea how something that is immaterial brings into existence something that is material?

@TheUltimateSeeds

3 жыл бұрын

​@@mylord9340 The universe is far too ordered and geared toward the goal of awakening us into existence (at least in our neck of the woods) to not be intentional. And in regards to your question of how something that is immaterial brings into existence something that is material,... ...realize that within the inner context of your own mind, you exist as an "immaterial" entity (or agent) who can bring into existence vast panoramic vistas of three-dimensional phenomena every time you fall asleep and dream. I'm talking about three-dimensional structures (created from the fabric of your very own being) that seem to be almost as objectively real as the reality you experience outward in the universe. Remember, if it is possible that the universe is the MIND of the Creator, then what you are calling "material" (which I assume you mean - suns, planets, bodies, and brains, etc.) is something that is created from an extremely advanced and ordered version of the same fundamental substance that forms your own thoughts and dreams. Think of the old Hermetic idiom: "As Above, So Below." Or how about: "As Below, So Above." _______

@mylord9340

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheUltimateSeeds it may seem to us that the universe is "ordered and geared toward the goal of awakening us into existence" but that may be an illusion and a delusion encouraged by our sense of self importance. We humans like to think that the universe was "created" for us. I also disagree with your claim that "mind" is immaterial and can exist without a brain. Do you possess any evidence that minds can exist outside of brains? If minds only exist in brains then my question stands. How does an immaterial "creator" create matter by which I mean electrons, quarks, protons, etc? I don't expect that you have answers to those questions. Like many theists you give the impression that you have information about the universe and the "creator". Philosophizing is a useful mental activity but ultimately if you are to claim something as true, meaning consistent with reality, do you not need to have some form of evidence?

His source energy we are all connected what is more to now just enjoy it be happy

What stops the theist from claiming that God is creator of the system that creates the multiuniverses? What characteristics does the universe have that indicates that it was created for you to make the assumption that it had a creator?

Great great stuff

Makes me realise there’s just as much faith in science as religion

@guym1234

3 жыл бұрын

You are interpreting the data incorrectly.......it is not faith(belief without reason)Hypotheticals are based on previous substantiated data. The hypothetical is an attempt to explain observed and/or tested experimentation based on current empirical data that may be incomplete but will always have some grounding in fact. Faith is the exact opposite. Your creationist sound bite doesn't fly.

@davepurcell1318

2 жыл бұрын

@@guym1234 dark matter is complete conjecture and hypothetical as is the multiverse theory. Faith all the way no matter how you package it up. And based on this weeks findings on dark matter some scientists are realising their whole life’s work is about to go up in smoke.

@studygodsword5937

2 жыл бұрын

@@guym1234 *HOW* does the pseudoscience of abiogenesis *get past THIS FACT ?:*

@studygodsword5937

2 жыл бұрын

@@guym1234 *even the simplest of single cells NEEDS AT LEAST 8 PARTS TO FUNCTION,* these 8 or more parts must do a minimum of 10 functions *(something THE pseudoscience of abiogenesis absolutely CAN NOT GET PAST)!* *How are all these parts and functions going to come together at the same time, when science can't even get 1 of the working parts ?* This big of a problem *can't even be overcome by any kinds of odds or time period !* *An absolutely impossible feat for abiogenesis , to get ALL this to happen, by chance, in the area THE POINT OF A VERY SHARP PIN !*

@b.alexanderjohnstone9774

Жыл бұрын

I agree (with you Dave). We don't know the answers but IMO there are two belief systems. Maybe 'faith' is not the right word, but the scientific materialists are not so disinterested and empirical as they claim (and I used to think). They too start w the answer they like. I have no dog in this fight but I wish they would not inflate their claims and there are many serious scientific thinkers who object to what agnostic polymath David Berlinski, for example, calls the 'scientific pretensions' of atheism. At least theists are honest about their priors and biases.

The wondrously created universe should lead you to God. But it is only by his Word that we are lead to reconciliation and salvation. We all will meet God face to face. Some for the first time. Many for the last. Turn to Jesus Christ and live!

@randomblueguy

3 жыл бұрын

Quit preaching, your god existing is more improbable than Voldemort.

We humans are so self centered, we assume that the universe is fine tuned to allow us (intelligent life) to exist. It's the other way around. We wouldn't be here to ask these questions if the universe were different. And the universe was actually perfectly fine without us for some billon years...

THE ANSWER: We don't know We can't know We'll never know And It doesn't matter But We will continue to search Because It is our nature

Am I the only one that doesn't think "fine tunning" sounds like technical terminology?

@user-tn3fo3pj2x

3 жыл бұрын

fine tuning means that the variables (or constants) that make the world is so precisely numbered that is so convenient for life as we know it, you can have the numbers vary, and the differences are so enormous. you can think whatever you want with 'fine tuning' but that is how the world works

@rationalmartian

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-tn3fo3pj2x I don't think you understand it quite as well as you presume you do. You also failed to catch Vanilla Mamba's drift. It looks like they understand it to me. Fine Tuning is apologetics and essentially an emotional appeal. It can even be couched in such a way as to be an argument from incredulity/ignorance. It is hogwash that tend to appeal to people looking for a reason to bolster an entirely faith based view, as people begin to understand blind faith simply cannot cut it intellectually.

@brud1729

3 жыл бұрын

Is it more likely that he universe was fine tuned for life, which as far as we know is extremely rare, or that life adapted itself to the existent conditions.

Why is Earth-like planets so rare? Why is "God" so UNPROLIFIC? Victor Stenger gave a very good answer.

@mioszbies903

3 жыл бұрын

Victor Stenger is astray. Best example of atheists struggling to avoid the obvious conclusion that Creator designed the whole thing and going astray in stretching out arguments.

@mioszbies903

3 жыл бұрын

@Pisstake and your photo says much more about you than your comment about my Creator 😉

@mioszbies903

3 жыл бұрын

@Pisstake Begone, Satan!

@mioszbies903

3 жыл бұрын

@Pisstake your very words prove that he exists and tricked you, poor man.

@mioszbies903

3 жыл бұрын

@Pisstake I said begone. I don't see any point in discussing with you nor paying attention to your provocative comments. Go try elsewhere!

This universe follows a structured growth and we are a manifestation of caos finding order before its clock winds down. Its all about time

@jair2454

2 жыл бұрын

Find a contradiction between structured growth and chaos!

@555atU

10 ай бұрын

We don't even know what the universe is...nor gravity and energy. You're guessing.

@brydonjesse

10 ай бұрын

@@jair2454 caos to order to perfection

@brydonjesse

10 ай бұрын

@@555atU the is all the thought of the All, like we think and create but at a infinite degree. Hermetic philosophy can help you understand

Some scientists claim there is other universes, there is no significant evidence for other universes. Thus the multiverse concept lacks testability and falsifiability, which are essential for scientific inquiry, and thus is a metaphysical issues.

Absolutely astonishing. I subscribe to the theistic perspective. Specifically, the God of the Bible. Let’s not forget, the Bible was written by multiple authors over multiple time periods and none of them contradict. Not only that, the books written prior to Jesus included prophecies of Jesus which He fulfilled. Talk about miracles. Einstein stated “either everything is a miracle or nothing is a miracle” The fine tuning is quite literally a miracle.

@kathyorourke9273

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they do contradict! Even the gospels stories don’t match.

@michelangelope830

Жыл бұрын

To religious people the fine tuning of the universe is evidence of the existence of a fine tuned intelligent designer perfect religious god. If it was improbable the existence of the universe without an external intelligent designer how improbable would be the existence of the personal religious god? Did the religious god choose to be perfect? Neither did the eternal miracle of Life and Death, that is perfect for being imperfect and mortal, because there is not life without death, choose to exist or be who we are because always existed. God, the miracle of Life and Death, just happened to exist. God is personal and impersonal impossibility possible miracle, because is ourselves and only ourselves can help each other without the need of prayers.

@garybalatennis

Жыл бұрын

If the apparent fine-tuned nature of the universe “proves” God, he/she didn’t do a very good job. Most parts of our own tiny Earth can’t even support life, not to mention 99.9999% of the observable universe. It certainly ain’t fined-tuned for the maximum amount of the highest and best intelligent, sentinent life everywhere.

If there are infinite universes then it is inevitable that a supreme being or God would have evolved or will evolve.

@randomblueguy

3 жыл бұрын

Define God.

@alexandersalamander

3 жыл бұрын

Well. It depends what can develop within the infitie, because infitie and the existence of anything is different

I would love to see Victor Stenger get his clock cleaned in a debate against Stephen Meyer.

I’ve heard of ‘Never Trumpers’ but this is like an introduction to ‘Never Goders’. 😂

So why did this brilliant fine tuning creator add disease 🦠 thank you god for Covid

@trixy8669

3 жыл бұрын

@DWTZ ONE That's silly and obnoxious.

@trixy8669

3 жыл бұрын

You speak of the Creator as if it was an old man with a white beard. Diseases are necessary for life on this planet just like death is necessary. The material world is simply a reflection of God in matter. Similar to a light reflecting off a mirror onto a table in a dark corner. The table is illuminated as a posterior attribute of light. You wouldn't say the table is light or the corner is light. You wouldn't even say the mirror is light. The light comes from the flashlight but is invisible to human sight until it illuminates matter. Similarly, God (if you want to use that term) is full of divine mind or nous or citta and illuminates matter which instantly is formed, shaped, qualified, and quantified into classes, genus, category etc. Disease is not a thing. Rather, disease occurs when the body experiences deficiency or toxicity. Both of these can be remedied by using the intellect man was given. So, yes we have disease but we also have cures. I believe all diseases can be cured and there's no reason to suggest this isn't the case. You speak of disease as if God was blind to such things or deliberately intended ill will. Such an attitude lacks faith and isn't appropriate. You cannot question God's creation as if you could've created a better world. Such is lunacy. The evil we deal with is this: the identification of self in non-self. The problem is thinking our core identity rests and can be satisfied in matter. What unhappiness can occur to a man that understands the body is merely an instrument needed to attend to the material world? Death, suffering, pain, nor fear have a hold on him. Sure, he may experience all of this by virtue of his body but he isn't controlled by them. The soul rests in a specific concept. The soul is in that fundamental aspect of mind that is separate from reckoning, fantasizing, or mental clutter. It is the pristine element that makes all the rest possible. Identifying with that is proper as that is the only constant in human existence. Everything else like name, location, age, personality, and so on all change with time. Your essence never changes. We can't help who we are but we can help what we choose to do with the self that we are. Our core self is of the same quality as the Divine Mind permeating everything. Identifying with that while acknowledging the fact that we have a physical body and responsibilities on earth leads to enlightenment.

@BubbleGendut

3 жыл бұрын

@@trixy8669 what a load of bollocks. I didn’t even bother to read your long diatribe. As a designer there is no need to introduce disease. I design aircraft. I don’t put in deliberate design flaws so maybe the wing will fall off. I know Boeing did on their 737 max would you like to fly on that?

@ibrahimkalmati9379

3 жыл бұрын

Did you know that this world is test for you? In my religion God say it that he will test you with Lost of life and properties. IT is not about what happened with you It is about what you do in difficult conditions.

@BubbleGendut

3 жыл бұрын

@@ibrahimkalmati9379 I think you missed my sarcasm! There is no God and all religions are bogus man made institutions

"Does a Fine-Tuned Universe Lead to God?" - Two possiblities: Yes, or Don't know.

@suatustel746

3 жыл бұрын

No... My understanding fine-tuning must prevail all along the universe albeit it doesn't seems so...

@TyrellWellickEcorp

3 жыл бұрын

@@suatustel746 What??

@suatustel746

3 жыл бұрын

@@TyrellWellickEcorp what's and where the escape route were we face the catastrophic destruction lead the dinasaurs obliteration. Even the most prolofic? Goldilocks zone do not conducive life forces other than us then l doubt the existence magniliquent benevolent all considering Architect namely called the yahweh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@TyrellWellickEcorp

3 жыл бұрын

@@suatustel746 You make zero sense

@suatustel746

3 жыл бұрын

@@TyrellWellickEcorp philosophy doesn't make sense for some people whom they're lacking not only vision but inspiration as well...

The evidences aren't not only in physics and cosmology, look to biology and psychology because after all we are created by God. We see it in how complex our body work together, how our mind and emotions are connected.

Closure to Truth is the field between convergent and divergent field of Consciousness. God integrates, Truth differentiates.

@arthurwieczorek4894

Жыл бұрын

Language differentiates. Truth is a differentiation.

Once you've seen the absurdity of "God", as a concept, it can't be unseen. We know that polytheism predates monotheism, in human history. Even the biblical Hebrews were all polytheists when the earliest versions of their religious stories (later considered biblical) were still newly adopted, adapted, and conceived; at least some of which being plagiarized from far older religions. If there was ever a time when "Gods" was the only answer anyone could think of to any questions at all, ... then that was a failing of imagination and a manifestation of simplistic thinking, superstition, and ignorance. Even if we suppose, for the sake of argument, that there are pre-existing super-beings of unfathomable powers, and even if we assume they had a hand in semi-intelligently "designing" the foundational structures (the physics) of our universe, ... All the god-fans on record are just guessing about the details of what those being(s) would be like. And most of their dogmatically certain guesses can be ... and have been ... logically debunked. Theists are notoriously bad guessers; which would actually be fine, ... if they were all (or even: most) engaged in an intentional perpetual refining of their god-theories, and if they had the honesty and humility it take to let go of their theological certainties. Worse yet: that so MUCH of the Abrahamic faiths are intrinsically abusive *and* antithetical to human social and societal health. Meanwhile, ... Every effort to prove a literal personal deity ... especially the efforts that use science for that purpose ... are ill conceived. Even if theists were correct about science revealing (or even strongly suggesting) a literal "God", ... that would get them no further than a very vague deism. It cannot be used to truly substantiate deism. But deism easily harmonizes with science; in that there's no conflict. It's easy to avoid conflict, when you make sure to avoid fact-claims that can be tested. The same can't be rightly said of a literal "personal God"; like the ones Abrahamic theists ramble on about. And frankly, it's tiring and sad to hear theists musing adoringly about a "God" that created puppies, rainbows, and love, (having created rainbows for the specific purpose of reminding everyone of the time he drowned all the puppies because he was genocidally hate-raging at humans) ... while they ignore super-harmful viruses, bacteria, parasites, an abundance of toxic natural elements in the earth, venomous snakes and insects, natural disasters, birth defects, cluttered and problematic human DNA, sociopaths, psychopaths, predator animals in the wild that love the taste of humans (note: everywhere used to be "the wild"), etc etc. Either: A.) there aren't any god(s). or b.) the gods are psychopaths. But those are things that it doesn't make sense for anyone to hope are real. And it makes even less sense to spend one's life trying to get the super-psychopaths' attention, hoping the predator-gods have a soft spot for suck ups. "Let sleeping gods lie".

@jwrosenbury

3 жыл бұрын

Or perhaps you aren't God? Perhaps the universe doesn't owe you an explanation, God doesn't owe you an explanation? What makes you think God's purpose was to make humans happy? Something set the universe up. Whatever did that is probably complex. It is likely intelligent. It likely doesn't care what you think. It is certainly psychopathic from a human point of view since it has power over life and death and always chooses death. It is also kind and loving since it chose life, for you at least. But does it really not care what you think? Presumably it favors life, since it set up a universe that seems to at least allow life to exist. It seems to favor survival since that's an important part of life. So will believing help you to survive, at least for a while? Is religion a net benefit to human survival, either as an individual or as a species? Or is it just a coincidental result of some cognitive bias that otherwise serves human survival? Making wild claims about the evils of religions is a pretty weak argument. Lots of atheists have existed in the past. Why didn't their societies flourish? Instead, they self destructed time and again, leaving theist societies to continue. That's not a great argument for theists societies, but by the perponderance of the evidence theists societies seem to be better. Claiming theists are somehow weaker just isn't supported by the data. At best it's a wash. So what are the benefits of the cognitive biases that lead to theism that offset the negatives that you claim? Why do these biases exist? Why are they continually selected in human evolution? Are they still valuable? Or is it possible that religion is the benefit? If so, we have: a) A super powerful alien that set up the universe. and b) Worshiping Him leads to better survival outcomes. and c) You are telling other to disbelieve. Is that wise?

@tbrown3356

3 жыл бұрын

If you didn't believe you were on a spinning ball whirling through a vacuum chasing the sun, but on dry flat land surrounded by large bodies of water with a Firmament above would you believe in God then?

@ApPersonaNonGrata

3 жыл бұрын

​@@jwrosenbury Since you took the time to address all those issues, I went ahead and respond to each, in order. However, it exceeds KZread's character limit. docs.google.com/document/d/1O5UQE5dNyRT9_6G17N_TG0H-2RzwHbS0TYCKcNkVDyE/edit?usp=sharing

@ApPersonaNonGrata

3 жыл бұрын

@TheRed7000 I'm just going to assume you could make your case about that. And then ask ... What does that have to do with what I posted? And why call it "divine"? Why not call it "shitty", or "pointless", or at least "unfortunate"?

In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.

@ferdinandkraft857

3 жыл бұрын

Yawn...

@micheal74rich

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeffrey Pryor First three lines of Genesis alleged 'god' created light after creating Earth. Please read the verse in order. The Earth and Moon came into existence before sun is dumm. The Earth or Moon cannot come into existence before sun came into existence that make logical sense. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

@robotaholic

3 жыл бұрын

In the very last sentence, Robert Kuhn says "For the riddle of existence, fine tuning is our biggest clue. That's why we stress it on Closer to Truth." Does that mean he does think a god exists and fine tuned the laws of physics? If so why all the pondering?

@servant7777

3 жыл бұрын

You all crack me up. The creation account isn't even talking about what you think it's talking about.

@jeffreypryor4549

3 жыл бұрын

@@micheal74rich Gee, thanks for your precious insight, Einstein. How have I ever lived without it?

If you seriously consider the multitude of insanely fine tuned factors and the fact that they ALL must me met like a combination lock, it is impossible not to conclude the universe is designed by a MUCH higher intelligence. I’m not too vain to accept the God hypothesis. It just makes sense…

We know next to nothing about our own universe. How can science predict any other universe that would support life?

No.... Next!!

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

Yes.... Next!! See how easy that is?

@chrisgreen8803

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 You can’t look at a tree... Say it looks designed... And then jump to the conclusion that an intelligent spirit being must have created it

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisgreen8803 I mean... I guess you are right. Did someone in this video (or anyone of note who says they are advancing a Fine-Tuning argument) say that? Maybe I should watch the video again... I'm guessing you can provide a time stamp where this tree argument was made. Thanks for the help!

@chrisgreen8803

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 the whole argument is that!! You do understand what an analogy is??

@konnektlive

3 жыл бұрын

Typical teenage millennial mentality response ^^ Shallow, superficial and extremely naive. And yeah NEXT!

What does a fine tuned god lead to? To religion 😂

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

What does that mean?

@rotorblade9508

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshheter1517 it means a god is a claimed complex entity. So how do you explain something complex existing just like that? Religion claims to explain it. So basically people thought of a perfectly tuned man in the sky that can do anything then that concept lead to religion

@joshheter1517

3 жыл бұрын

@@rotorblade9508 ... what people are claim that a “man” explains the fine-tuned universe? What people claim that he’s “in the sky”?

@simplicityistheultimatesop6571

3 жыл бұрын

@@rotorblade9508 God says He did it,why shouldn’t I believe it?

@fraser_mr2009

2 жыл бұрын

@@simplicityistheultimatesop6571 then get his voice on tape.

To me, 'Does a fine tuned universe lead to God?', is like saying, 'Does a universe created by God lead one to believe in God?'

Metaphysics We chip away our darkness and negative spaces (greed) so that a positive image of good (god) emerges. We gods (good) then use the magic of our love to transform frowns into smiles like magicians turn lead into gold and Jesus turns water into wine.

In my opinion he's so lost he doesn't know even who he is

@123argonaut

3 жыл бұрын

Emphasize on 'in my opinion'

@S3RAVA3LM

3 жыл бұрын

Knowing thyself is a spiritual journey of endurance in studies, sacrifice, trails, ramifications so seeking gnosis. I don't disagree with your comment. After 1000 videos/episodes Robert states he is still confused and hasn't grown spiritually. Why is this? -- lack of faith -- disbeliever -- ignores Spiritual teachings/ does not practice -- mysticism is only fairy tales. -- materialists mindset(flawed logic) -- lack of ESP: metaphysics, intuition, empathy, telepathy, prophecy, clairvoyance/audience, spirituality -- serving mammon( money, fame, power) over Source(creator) truth, justice, light God is beyond the physical so ever thinking of discovering God( Source) -- creator -- limited to only the physical is absolute stupidity & nonsense but materialists -- the silhouette men of science -- are to proud to admit the truth. They need it done their way. However I am suspect to many who claim in thinking that they know thyself -- majority of people who think they're found, are the greatest in deception.

9:20 "Complexity does arise out of simplicity pretty naturally" WTF?? *Organized* complexity?? X'D lol it just "bothers him" hahaha such a clown.

There's a number of possibilities 1.Luck 2.God 3.Multiverse 4.Paticipatory Anthrophic Cosmological Principle / Retroactive Universe / the Observed requires observers 5.?

@tonyatkinson2210

Жыл бұрын

That is isn’t fine tuned ?

Highly underrated channel. Sooo sad😢

You should ask if it leads to “a god” because, asking if it leads to “God” assumes that we already agree that a god exists. Better yet, you should ask if it leads to a god or *gods.*

the problem is not the existence of the universe or life, but the existence of platonic objects which clearly implies something else is going on, there is another plane of "being" which is utterly unaccountable for

@Captain-Cosmo

Жыл бұрын

Really? How did you identify this "plane of being"? Can I detect it, too?

@osip7315

Жыл бұрын

@@Captain-Cosmo why not read what i wrote more closely ?

@Captain-Cosmo

Жыл бұрын

@@osip7315 Would it make the nonsense any less nonsensical?

@osip7315

Жыл бұрын

@@Captain-Cosmo if that is your view, why are you replying to a year old comment ?

@Captain-Cosmo

Жыл бұрын

@@osip7315 I've read your original post many times and I still cannot make any sense of what you are claiming. I apologize for the "nonsensical" quip. It all honesty, however, it does seem like a bit of word salad. Many would agree that there are a lot people who make a lot of "crackpot" claims. Unfortunately, however, we humans are not terribly good at recognizing our own crackpottedness any better than we recognize our own bad breath. We are intellectually honest whenever we hold someone accountable to an extraordinary claim. I am interested in extraordinary claims. You seem to offer one. All I am asking is whether there is evidence for these claims. You say that something is "clearly implied", but that is more of a description of your understanding than a prescription for your audience. If you want us - your readers - to care about what you say, please help us understand it. Thank you.

God did a great job fine-tuning the cancer that kills children around the world. What a guy.

Dunning Kruger Effect: The only reason why we can argue non-carbon based life could be possible is because we have no clue how carbon based life really came into existence. Having no clue what one is talking about makes everything seem possible.

Actually; there may be Many tunings in many different Universes that can result in many different types of Life.

What do we have to do to convince God not to change the station?

From the book TALK TALK TALK By Jay Ingram … first published 1992 … an investigation into the mystery of speech … Even the believers admit it’s a tricky business, because if you are trying to re-create proto-World, your starting materials are languages which themselves have been reconstructed. There’s no firm ground to stand on, and you are reduced to comparing lists of words you think were part of languages thousands of years old in order to uncover the even more ancient ancestors of those words: and none of the words on the lists you’re starting with are written anywhere, even in the oldest available stone tablets.

Simulation theory is the most direct and simple answer.

We’ll see him one day.

@sven888

3 жыл бұрын

What if him is all of us as one?

ABSOLUTELY IT SURE DOES ROBERT. THINK ABOUT THIS WAY, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A "FINE TUNER", TO DO ALL OF THAT FINE TUNING.

@alalbiston694

Жыл бұрын

This fine tuner would have to be much more complex than the universe to design such an intricate universe .This of course leads to the question of where did this being get his complexity?If you are willing to say that God who is so complex requires no designer and simply exists then you should cut out this compex God who requires no designer and apply this logic to the cosmos which is itself complex and itself requires no desinger.You are using the homunculus fallacy to explain the cosmos.It creates an endless loop that solves nothing.If you have the assumption that everything that has complexity requires an even more complex designer then this creates an infinite loop of designers who all require a designer.Of course we can make the judgemement that complexity doesn't require a designer and apply this undesigned complexity to the universe and cut out God

@obijuan3004

Жыл бұрын

Fine tuning is a religious word scam. If two cars collide on a freeway is the exact mess that is left behind of car parts, glass, metal, and plastic, “fine tuned?” Or is the result of two masses colliding with random forces, at random angles? The act of tuning is to adjust for precise functioning, like tuning a car engine. Religious people create the creator by fine tuning the words that they say. A chain reaction, is a chain of one thing reacting from another, by religious definition all chain reactions would be fine tuning. It’s all a word scam.

As always, this is a top-rate discussion with the finest minds that leaves you feeling there are more questions than answers out there. That's OK. One thing that bothers me about God as an explanation for the universe (and fine-tuning) is why do theists settle for one? Could it not be a *team* of minds, beings, or 'Gods', who created everything? Why is that explanation apparently never considered? (Apart from by the ancient Greeks, Indians, Romans, Scandinavians, etc., of course.)

@richardatkinson4710

7 ай бұрын

The dreaded dualism (or pluralism)…

There are people who have been told that Father Christmas lives at the North Pole. They want to believe it's true and it's very difficult to convince them that it's a silly idea. Maybe it's best to wait until they have thought about it a bit more.

This is Douglass Adams puddle analogy... A puddle becomes conscious... It looks around and thinks... “This hole I’m in fits me very well... In fact I fit this hole perfectly... The hole must have been designed by an intelligent creator!!”

@chrisgreen8803

3 жыл бұрын

@The Mask The idea that the whole universe was created just for us humans is insane

Fine Tuning ! Four Constants Speed of Light c=3E8 Gravity G=1/15E9 Electric Quantum q=25e/3=4C/3X Magnetic Wiantim w=Wb/2P Aether z=w/q=375Wb/C Planck's Constant h=qw =2CWb/3XP h=qw=2CWb/4XP Fine Struture Constant ! Alpha=(e*/q)^2=(e/25e/3)^2/2 A=(3/25)^2/2=9/1250 Fine Structure Constant Alpha. = 7.2m ! Four Square: c G q. w Praise God

I was really hoping for a serious counter argument explaining fine tuning.

@555atU

10 ай бұрын

There is and it's simply chance by the creation of many, many multiverses...if you, of course, think that's a serious counterargument.

"There had to be a first universe" Unlikely to the point of being identical to impossible.