I still use my original Trangia - bought for my 18th birthday and Im 56 this year! All I have replaced is the O ring - once! I have other stoves but my Trangia is my go to for solo camping, cycle touring etc.

@kewsoner7924

2 жыл бұрын

Scandinavian stuff rules, I used my Trangia for 24 years now.....and and a little tip for the creator, I wouldn't even know what you are talking about when it comes to the pronation, it's not just off but completely non understandable! I'm not Swedish, but I speak and understand Swedish! Yes us Europeans speak multiple languages, personally I speak 5!

@dekaaizer2550

2 жыл бұрын

Just came back from a 2 month trip to Patagonia, used the same trangia there ad my father used when he went there (35 years ago)

@dimitriosfotopoulos3689

Жыл бұрын

That is impressive, Donnieo65. I have my dad's old white gas Coleman stove that he used car camping back in the 50's & 60's. 5 years ago when it developed an issue, you could still get parts for it, and with a simple repair, it worked just fine. My buddy has an old original Svea 123 stove he still he uses for motorcycle touring. You can't fake quality and the classics are called that for a reason! Buying a Trangia 27 set for bicycle touring, and hopefully in 20 or 30 years, one of my grandnieces or grandnephews will still be using it, and calling it a classic.

@AquaTech225

Жыл бұрын

@@kewsoner7924 than how is it than big man

@stevenkimsey7039

Жыл бұрын

@@kewsoner7924 very good

The little handle on the simmer ring is helpful.

When I'm camping time is not a thing, so burn or boil time mean nothing to me.... I'm just happy I woke up one more time and can enjoy the woods

For the stoves: Trangia 1123 BTU, Esbit 897 BTU, Solo 904 BTU, Redcamp 897 BTU, based on time to boil, start temp and volume of water

@SuperSkunkWorks

Жыл бұрын

Excellent data point, thank you.

@kiloalphasierra

4 ай бұрын

So basically Trangia is better quality and the other three exhibit normal production and testing variances.

I have been using Trangia, the army version, for many years! She is bigger and heavier. Bought in Odessa for 25 hryvnia. It's $3, at the old rate.

Esbit was making stove's for the German army before WWII. The folding type with the fuel tabs. Esbit has been around for a very long time.

@Far1988

2 жыл бұрын

They still do. They're great for warming up tea water on the go. They're super light, quite small and extremely cheap (bought a used one for two bucks).

I have two Trangias, one of which I bought new in the 1980s, and one of which I was given second hand. The whole product is integrated: stand, burner, windshield, pans, lid, kettle, strap. I could buy a new burner, or lid, or simmer ring, or pan tomorrow. It's an excellent system. I know Trangia is a good product. I would rather pay a little bit more for the real thing than reward a company for copying. The copycat items are only a couple of steps away from counterfeit: they are Trangia clones with just enough deliberate differences not to be "called out" legally. The only difference that is a genuine innovation is the handle on the simmer ring.

@W1ldt1m

9 ай бұрын

Exactly. Itsnot just the burner. It's the system.

Thanks for the revirew! The clones took slightly longer to reach the boil, but also lasted slightly longer. The first thought that brings up to me is that the Trangia is burning slightly more fuel for a hotter flame, but uses its fuel a little faster. Another thought would be that the clones might not have wicks at all, so the Trangia gets to a bloom and more effective temperature faster, but has a small amount of fuel left in the wick that it can't burn and so goes out a few seconds faster. In any case, these kinds of time differences aren't going to make or break a deal for me, but I certainly can't see spending more for the Esbit or Solostove than the Trangia. The Redcamp with its included pot stand is worth thinking about. And there are multiple other clone versions with differing accessories and prices that it's still a wide open playing field.

@fashionskiller

3 ай бұрын

Well, there won't be any fuel left in the wick. It wicks it to the place where there's less fuel ergo outside. It's exactly the task of the wick to wick it out.

One more argument for the Trangia is that it's manufactured in Sweden according to highest ecological standards.

@jeschinstad

2 жыл бұрын

And workers get decent pay.

@StayReal02

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, as a Swede, I would actually buy my stuff only from Trangia to support that factory in Trångsviken. They deserve it! Very cool that a company wants to stay inside Sweden instead of moving to China. Fjällräven moved a lot of their stuff to Asia for example :/

@jeschinstad

2 жыл бұрын

@@StayReal02: I'm Norwegian and I would never buy anything but the Swedish original. You might need a Norwegian consultant to tie your shoe laces, but the things you know how to do, boy do you know how to do them. :) (I love your people and so say we all)

Trangia is the way to go however the handle on the solo makes it easier place the lid over the stove on to douse the flame. Would like to see Trangia incorporate this feature on future stoves. Could also be sold as a retrofit option.

@jonfisher9214

3 ай бұрын

The pot handle in the Trangia cook set is used to lift the simmer ring on and off the burner.

In the battle between the Trangia vs Esbit stoves. In my finding, the Esbit stove is more fuel efficient ie burns longer than the Trangia, but I believe that the Trangia burns hotter. So the Trangia is my go to stove.

@in0124

3 жыл бұрын

I agree trangia is a good stove but it blasts through the fuel , not many people mention this

@hb9145

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this is a big deal in Scandinavian winters.

When I purchased my alcohol stove I went with Trangia. They have withstood test of time

@BingWatcher

3 жыл бұрын

Likewise❗ 🤗🔆

@motohobo

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, the original and still the best. There are cheaper versions and I prefer the knock off version simmer rings. But I totally trust my trangia burners. I've bought two different brand cheaper knock off versions just to see what they were like and they both cracked/split after bugger all use compared to my Trangias. Trust Trangia😁

@wurlabyscott

3 жыл бұрын

Esbit here, like the simmer fold out lever but I buy trangia from Firebox version that's soldered.

Hope cleanup is going good for you. Glad to see you're still getting videos out.

Excellent comparison as always. Thanks Ernie!

Nice work Earnie thank you for sharing.

Good video Ernie! Well done! 👍

good design endures time... I keep my Trangia, especially if I intend to use the whole kit (Trangia 27) which is by far the best alcohol stove if you intend to cook and not just boil...

I really like your tests helped me in deciding what one to order I went for the less expensive because the I could afford to order a wind screen. Thankyou for all your help!!

I've just bought a Trangia burner and I'm looking forward to many years with it. Thanks for your comparison.

With a few beers after watching your redcamp double burner video and a few others. I ordered the trangia clone, double burner and a brass candle thing lol. Thanks for the video .

I've never had any other but Trangia. It's a bit discoloured now, a bit used and has travelled.many miles. But i still love it, wouldn't swap it.

Excellent review. Thanks for sharing. :)

Ernie you understand that in China those clone production companies offer free printing/engraving logo when bought in bulk orders so all those stoves all these stoves could have been made in the same place and the difference in finish could just be a different batch/type of brass

@mikefule330

Жыл бұрын

If he published a video saying that they obviously all came from the same factory, that might conceivably have legal implications for the channel, and he would have no way of proving that they did. Pointing out that they appear identical in every respect, so much so that he nearly mixed them up with each other, is a statement of facts and there is no risk. We all get the message. :) I work for a company that sells products by two manufacturers and the differences are only colour, logo and marketing. Neither company owns the factory/factories where they are made...

@dmchang1009

Жыл бұрын

In China, if someone get a good product, other factories would copy it to sell many companies. There are also a lot of traders sell these to other traders with different package & brands. In result, you can get a lot of copy cats from many factories.

Hello Ernie, Great video, its very hard to beat the original trangia. You nailed it in video.

Ernie I'm glad you added the Red Camp to your test list. A while back I bought the Red Camp. I bought it because it was way cheaper than the others and also came with a pot stand which not all of them did. I absolutely love it and your test proves its pretty much the same as the others. Thanks for sharing brother.

@BingWatcher

3 жыл бұрын

You have shown that it performs well in your video and now Ernie has shown it too. Good to know!

@chiefkirk

3 жыл бұрын

@@BingWatcher Thank you so much for watching my video pal. I certainly do appreciate that.

Thanks for the comparison. Trangia wins for time and for price and it IS the original. One comment - if you would please lower the volume of the background music when you are speaking. For me the volume was just a tad to high. Thanks

@martinerhard8447

2 жыл бұрын

isnt the trangia more expensive than most clones?

I used a Trangia 27K kit for years but eventually switched to the gas burner. Eventually, I bought an ultralight gas stove(~1 Oz) and I've now sold the Trangia. Recently I bought one of the cheap clones because alcohol works better in winter. What goes around comes around! Interesting review along with your fuel and stands reviews. Good material, thanks.

Very good test, thanks for showing us. Take care.

Nice video Big Ern. I've had similar experiences with the clone stoves and prefer the original Trangia. Seems like I saw a post where someone cut a China clone in half and discovered there was no internal wick. That would account for the weight difference and boil times. I do like the little folding tab on simmer lid that comes on the clones because its keeps your hand farther away when you use it to snuff out a lit stove. It's finally good hiking weather in LA. I look forward to the videos.

Excellent Tanks for your information

In terms of longevity, my original Trangia burner is still in regular use 30 years after I purchased it. The only maintenance required is to poke a paper clip through the burner holes if they get sooted up. This has been necessary about every ten years so far.

Thanks for the heads up.

I actually find myself grabbing the Redcamp, more often. I prefer the handle on the simmer/snuff lid. It;s a little thing, but I can keep my fingers further from the heat.

@kevinklein4748

3 жыл бұрын

Seems like a little thing, but it can make a huge difference in terms of safety. You can snuff out or regulate the flame securely. No gloves needed, no throwing the cap on a huge flame in a hurry and risk knocking over your stuff.

@BingWatcher

3 жыл бұрын

📢 And in life, it's often the little things that matter most‼️

@Badger77722

3 жыл бұрын

I have both a Trangia and an ALOCS, which has the handle on the simmer lid. When I take the Trangia out, I just grab the ALOCS simmer lid and use it instead of the regular Trangia. It was more expensive (I bought the ALOCS first because it was so much cheaper than the Trangia; that's really not true anymore), but the combination is a winner!

I have the esbit alcohol stove set, love it. Packs down nice and I have a fry pan.

Recently subscribed to your channel. Because of your videos I just ordered a Trangia from REI instead of the “Red Camp” on Amazon. Keep up the great videos.

Don't understand the units but very good video! Got the Trangia 27 duo a couple of weeks ago. Also got the gas burner for it. Very good stove, love the stainless inside it, easy to clean but adds a bit more weight.

Love my Trangias (note it's plural!)

Watching this at the end of 2022. The genuine Trangia is $26. The Ebit is $23. The Redcamp is $18, & some cheap knock-off of the knock-off is $13. Thanks for the video comparison.

I don't care very much about a few seconds more burning time. What I do care about is weight and simmering. All the knock-offs are lighter (not by much) than the original, but let's face it - nobody who cares about weight would drag around Trangia. Simmering - all the knock-offs come with a nice wire handle on the simmering cap, which makes enormous difference in use. I've spent really long time (months and months) cooking on a Trangia and that little piece of wire is what makes the whole difference - you can remove easily the cap, fine-tune the opening and put it back. That is also the one easy thing to improve on the Trangia burner, yet they stubbornly refuse to do that. That's why, although I also like the old brass look of the original, I buy the knock-offs. Thanks for the video, and keep that enthusiasm alive!

nice video. Helped me make the decision to buy the trangia.

Thanks for the video

Great video. You could always buy one more of each and cut em open to see what they look like. Would love to see that.

Hello, I've watched a couple of your videos regarding the Trangia. In this video, timing the bloom of the stove would be nice. Since the Trangia is most effective with the flame bloom, this might be a good tool for determination. You do start each boil test at same time of each stove. Nicely done. Skillet

Love this video. Almost as much as I love my Trangia.

it's worth checking out the stainless steel version by Tatonka too. it has a slightly larger fuel capacity but doesn't heat stuff quite as fast

More stove videos. You always seems to think of things no one thinks about when it comes to stoves and alcohol burners. Hope clean up is going well. Stay safe

The performance difference may be the fuel and water amounts. You could get an accurate weigh scale pretty cheap, and weigh the fuel and water being used. Nice video. For practical purposes, these are the same. In theory it is all about the heat energy in the fuel. If one stove burned quicker, it would burn for less time.

Great Job :)

You can do some fun math with these numbers. 1oz of methanol is 28.35g. The molar mass is 32.04g/mol. So, 1oz of methanol is .8848mol. The enthalpy of combustion of methanol is −715.0kJ/mol, so 1oz of methanol releases 632.6kJ of energy. If the Trangia burns for 557s, that's 1.14kJ/s. Over the 275s it takes to boil a cup of water, that's 314kJ One cup of water is 240ml, which weighs 240g. You're heating it from 67F to 212F, for a change of 145degrees F. Celcius degrees are 9/5ths the size of F degrees, so that's a change of 80.5C. Water has a specific heat of 4.186J/g. 240g requires 1005J to raise in temperature by 1C. 80.5C requires 80900J, or 80.9kJ. Finally, 80.9kJ required divided by the 314kJ consumed gives us a 25.8% efficiency for the Trangia stove.

@Legi0n21

3 жыл бұрын

makes sense, most of the heat blows by the pot

@oxxnarrdflame8865

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Nice explanation.

@PaleoHikerMD

3 жыл бұрын

Wow.... :)

5 weeks since your last video, still watching, still loyal, and still watching water boil! Take care Ernie! Respectfully, “Doc” Bates (U.S. Army, P.A. - Sr. Combat Medic, Retired - D.A.V.)

I have an Alocs that could have made the list. It to came with a pot stand. I believe through Amazon I paid less than 15$ shipped. It works for me. I'm not consumed with boil times as I enjoy the process and the peace of the alcohol stove. Great vid!

Sorry to have to inform you all that I have had 2 Chinese clones both fail almost immediately. Replaced them with Trangias, and no more problems. Still use the nifty folding lids though.

A big concern when I’m buying a knock-off is if it’s gonna leak. I know some feel you shouldn’t store fuel in the stove, but I’ve done it for decades and don’t plan to stop. If you get one that leaks, the only cure is to solder seal it, and that’s a big messy job that requires ninja soldering skills. Btw, fyi, Firebox sells solder sealed Trangias for a very reasonable extra charge.

Interesting that the color of the Solo flame was significantly more orange. I saw the same thing with my Solo. I assume the fuel was from the same container so age and water content can be discounted. Maybe it’s the alloy or perhaps more likely the wick material.

I have an ALOCS alcohol stove that appears to be another ESBIT like model. The ALOCS sells for around $15 with pot stand, but mine was around $12 a few years ago. The pot stand is similar to the Trangia Mini stand, but it's made of a different metal. I'd say it's a pretty comparable deal to the Redcamp Mini combo. The Redcamp pot stand is probably lighter since the pot stand has so many cutouts, but since the bottom of the ALOCS is enclosed, it could also be used for solid fuel tabs. There is another stove with what appears to be the same pot stand as the Redcamp for a few dollars less. It would be interesting to see if the boil time improved on one of these stoves if the holes were enlarged slightly.

If you buy a Swedish made product (Trangia), the workers are not treated like slaves, the factory doesn't spew toxic chemicals into the air and water, and the company tax goes to a democratic nation who will spend some of it on its armed forces that are your ally, not your enemy...

@emerycreek8016

4 ай бұрын

Amen!

Always a pleasure watching your videos. Only one thing makes me wonder. Whats in between the walls of the alcohol burners. If Im correct there is some sort of fiber or something that winks the alcohol. Like the the evernew titanium.

Interesting content

My first alcohol stove was ALOCS and looks exactly like the redcamp-esbit-solo. I think I paid $8 or $9 on amazon. Still got it. Works great. Been using my batchstovez gram weenie pro predominantly - $14 on the batchstovez site. It’s the boiled water champ in my opinion. Love the videos! Keep it up.

@Rspenesmit

Жыл бұрын

I also have the Alocs and along with my Fancy Feast with simmer ring in all of my tests these 2 are by far the best, I include baking in my tests as I love baked bread and muffins and or cornbread for my beans on the trail, and these 2 are the best overall.

I would imagine the Alocs also came from the same factory. I love my Trangias although I opted for the Bulin burner less than 1/3rd the price.

Biggest problem for me with trangia is the fuel consumption, it's a good stove , but l moved over to the speedster stoves there amazing , a whole lot lighter than trangia and way better fuel efficiency, also many a finger has been burnt trying to get snuff lid back on trangia , overall 8/10 for me , thanks for video

Thank you for your videos. I have found them quite informative as I have started to get into alcohol stoves. On the question of whether the clones have an internal wick, I paused your video at 5:29 and 5:39. Is that an internal wick poking out of the holes in the bottom of the fuel holding chamber (or whatever that part of the stove is called)?

Hey Ernie, you should get the alcohol stove called "The White Box Stove". Compare that to the other soda can stoves or any for that matter. I have not seen you test that one. If you have let me know. Thank you

I first got a Chinese clone. It did not light very well, but this could be because it was very new. But then I closed it.... and could never open the stove again. So I had to throw it. Then I got Trangia... and I never had any problem with it. I got it for 3 times the price, but it works, the other did not.

@simon4043

Жыл бұрын

Never screw the lid on a hot stove. The O ring can melt and glue them together. Keep the snuffer lid on until it cools

@zzip0

Жыл бұрын

@@simon4043 Never done such thing. It was cold.

thank you

The Trangia is $20 on amazon now for just the stove. I went with one called Keweis that had a pot stand with it (because I didn't have one) for 13.99. Not arrived yet, but I hope it works alright.

@karinhart489

Жыл бұрын

Watching this at the end of 2022. The genuine Trangia is $26. The Ebit is $23. The Redcamp is $18, & some cheap knock-off of the knock-off is $13. Thanks for the video comparison.

Just got back from a camping trip. I used the Redcamp with a folding wind screen, and a covered pot. I boiled enough water for a cup of tea in about 5 minutes. I was surprised at how vigorously the water boiled. I have similar results with my Esbit alcohol stove. MSR pocket rocket is usually about 3 to 4 minutes. In especially cold weather, I use my 40-year-old Svea 123R. It takes longer, but that includes preheating to build pressure. Alcohol and butane stoves don't like cold weather, but I don't get much of that where I live. I can recommend all 3 types, depending on the season. Of course, the alcohol stoves are much lighter, so I use them in warm weather.

Ótimo vídeo Parabéns 👍👍🇧🇷 Parabéns

Great vid as always but in my opinion I would favour gas on a windy mountain side everytime and the only alcohol I'll be using is going in my belly. 👍

My redcamp just cracked the other day. Just heard a pop while it was cooking and then I noticed it was taking ages to prime the next use. After closer inspection a long crack had formed along the thin fold

Thanks Ernie! Question: Can you PLEASE let us know what you call / where to find that container you used to fill the burners?? I saw another KZreadr use that EXACT same container for dumping excess fuel out of the stove. He dumps the fuel with the burner upside down sitting perfectly on top of the lip of the container! Of course the container has a pour spout which easily doubles to put the fuel back into its original container! Smack! Hope you see this and can help us out… 😁😁. And thanks for all the great content. Hailing from across the pond over in the States!

two thoughts: 1. I'd like to see how long each stove took to bloom before adding the pot. 2. Test the boil time with a lid. great video. quality and content = 👍👍

*uploaded 4 minutes ago* Heck yeah! time to feed the stove addiction!

So, not to be a troll, but you did say you were short on time but then ran the burner until flame out. With 1 cup or 2 cups the flame out would still be your longest time so doing 2 cups or 1 cup would not change your time investment. On the other hand, I always enjoy and learn something from your videos! Good job as always!

For cold weather Trangia or the Swedish Army model, the military model is a bit bigger & heavier but better in extreme cold.

I JUST GOT MY REDCAMP IN AND THERE IS A INTERNAL WICK. LOOKING INSIDE THE STOVE DOWN IN THE BOTTOM I CAN SEE A LITTLE TAG OF IT STICKING OUT. IT DOES LOOK VERY THIN.

This is great. :) What fuel did you use ?

About 20 years ago I bought a Trangia from a car boot for £0.20 (20p) Don't think the seller knew what he'd go. Been using on my camping trips for years. Just one point re boiling times. I'm wondering if the original enclosed Trangia burner holder would be more efficient as there might be less heat loss around the sides?

I have the same alcohol stove shown at 1:00 minute (have a hard time finding denatured alcohol but I can use other type of alcohol so all isn't lost)

I love my Trangia burners but one I soldered & it seems Ok, my second one has several cracks on the body & lid, I have a 3rd one still in the box (came in a kit). So do these knock offs crack. I wish Trangia would make a Titanium with a ceramic liner. 🔥

📢 Mr.Cook, a very nicely done job and say hi to Max!😁 🔆〰...🙄 ⚠ 🤔 〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰〰 ➡Thanks again, Ernie❗ 🏁🏁🏁

I bought the $11.99 one, it's just as good as the others.

Thanks for the comparison.. I have decided to go for Trangia. I have a question for you. Can i burn solid fuel tablet in Trangia stove?

If you wanna get the measurement of alcohol more precise use a scale that’s accurate to a 1/2 gram or less.

Hi have used my trangia recently with bioethanol when I lifted my kettle the ethanol was boiling like acid and the snuffer wouldn't put it out any advice?

You have missed out on one that should be included. The Swedish army one. Yes is a bit bigger. Can be picked up cheap. When filled will burn forever. My favourite does take a bit longer to plume in my experience. Found the cheap knockoffs to actually plume quicker though.

Trangia is the industry standard. No doubt about it. But I went with the Redcamp for the fact that you get the pot stand with it in addition to the simmer ring handle. And since it's mostly the same dimensions as the Trangia it should work with all of the same accessories. For instance I've been looking at picking up one of those old Sweedish mess kits that utilize a trangia.

I have a Chinese knock off , $12 on ebay . Use rubbing alcohol in it . Works fine , I put it in my 1930's sterno folding stove for storms , if the power goes out .

I wish trangia would make a simmer ring with a handle. I have both a trangia and a copycat. I appreciate the heft and originality of the Trangia but that handle makes the simmer ring so much more useable for more complex cooking when you’re moving from full boil to simmer then back again. I could swap the simmer ring from one to the other but it doesn’t click into place like the original does.

@AlexKall

2 жыл бұрын

Think it's related to the stoves? Does a handle fit inside the 27 with the handle folded out?

I have a stove almost just like that but the stand is different,..it's called Crazy Power. It burns really nice but it smokes.

I have two trangia burners, one is older and I got it used but it has cracks around the thread and collar. Unsure why and it seems to be a problem with some. I doubt the copies will guarantee to not do that. I'll still buy trangia

Can you show us how your setup is with the alcohol stove and bottle

I’m a complete beginner. Just got a Trangia 25 set. What different fuels can I use?

I wonder what would happen if you drilled out the smaller holes to the same size as the larger holes and tested it to see if the boil time changed to match the Trangia ?

Thanks for the review. Just curious, were you using denatured alcohol or isopropyl? Could have just been lighting but it seemed you were getting a lot of yellow flame. I just got one of the clones on Epay for just under $12 and so far, I love it.

@PaleoHikerMD

Жыл бұрын

I always use Heet from the Yellow Bottle in all my tests for consistency. Basically Methanol

@donne9768

Жыл бұрын

@@PaleoHikerMD Thanks for the reply. I just ordered some yellow Heet after watching another video. It heated really good but does seem to soot a little more than denatured. The price is definitely right.

@hb9145

Жыл бұрын

@@PaleoHikerMD That sounds like a bad idea. These stoves are made for ethanol - pure alcohol. You can get this very cheap in Scandinavia when red emetic is added. (Real alcohol is quite a different matter.) Methanol is not the same! It has a lower flash point, so it will burn faster while also having lower energy content than ethanol. Methanol will also make fumes that are highly toxic when inhaled.

I wonder if any are made by the same factory, only with different brand markings.

@AlexKall

2 жыл бұрын

I know Trangia are made in the factory in Sweden, the others are probably made in the same factory in China.

Thnxs

What about losing fuel over time when screw cap is on? Which is better?

One more clone for the pile Alocs for about 13.99 but pricing is not consistent look before you click. They have a larger look alike cook set with 2 pots and a fry pan Also on Amazon for about $55.00. It appears to have a wick.

One stove was missing. The Alocs alcohol stove.