Nice video. Timecodes for boiling 2 cups of water indoors 1:45 - Trangia Mini Stand - 10 min 28 sec (1.75 ounces) 3:00 - diy chicken wire stand - 12 min 29 sec (7/8 ounce) 4:00 - Evernew titanium cross stand - 10 min 59 sec (5/8 ounce) 4:48 - Mojo stand - 7 min 30 sec (2 1/4 ounces) 5:52 - Stainless steel stand - 8 min 20 sec (3 1/2 ounces) 6:55 - Evernew Titanium DX stand - 7 min 49 sec (1 7/8 ounces) 8:20 - Firebox stove nano - 7 min 18 sec (4 1/4 ounces) 9:40 - Trangia 27 system - 7 min 2 sec (9 1/8 ounces)

@ellisj5911

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting the times. Wish I saw your message sooner. It should be pinned to the top.

@mitch5077

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the breakdown

After been a gas stove snob I have gone back to alcohol stove - your film as been a massive help thank you .

My experience with alcohol stoves is that a wind shield is mandatory unless you are using the stove indoors. So I would go for the trangia cook set.

I must admit that I’m happy to deal with the weight penalty and carry the whole Trangia 27 kit. Nothing works as well in pissing rain n wind. It’s lid is a plate and the bowls fit n work perfectly. Mine is now pushing 35 plus years old now n still rocks!

@myhubbyislouisvuitton4218

4 жыл бұрын

Rachel S and the windshield is phenomenal. There's a reason they still make them, and that's because they stand the test of time, 35 years, you cannot go wrong with a Trangia. I love mine and I ain't giving her up.

@DannyHanny_

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this - it seems like a good kit to consider for an upcoming purchase.

@myhubbyislouisvuitton4218

4 жыл бұрын

Danny Hanny You can't go wrong with a Trangia, it will be money well spent!!!

@Funkteon

3 жыл бұрын

How do you properly clean your Trangia pots when out camping? Do you have the standard aluminium version, or the anodised non-stick version? I often go on 4-5 day hikes with no access to water, and therefore take a couple of gallons of water with me, however, I don't want to use much of it to clean my Trangia pots.. How do people do it?

@michaellopez8003

3 жыл бұрын

I've had mine since 1987 and still working well. A little bulky in your pack but we'll worth it!

Excellent standards of testing Ernie. Always appreciate the thorough methods and thought process you use in your tests. Thanks for sharing sir!

Hello PHMD, man you have a lot of great content. I just dove down this rabbit hole, the alcohol stove and you have covered everything. Well done!

I ran a similar test with the Trangia Spirit burner, Liberty Mountain Westwind stand and Evernew Mug Pot 900. With no wind, boil time for 2 cups of water (68 F) using 1 oz. ethanol was 8:35, but the total burn time was 16:00. Just to be sure I wasn't dreaming, I ran the test a second time with almost identical results. The Trangia Spirit burner might not boil water as fast as some other alcohol stoves, but it sure does conserve fuel.

I pack a Firebox Titanium Nano with a Trangia Burner.. and a 2 pot Stanley cook kit with 2 bowls,lids,cutting board, spatula, ladle.. love this setup

@wanderingwade8877

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip!

Beautiful! Nothing like watching the Trangia in action. Do I have a life? Actually yes. Awesome video 👌

I have about half of those or their rough equivalents, but I always go back to my Ti Nano as well. Performs well, packs small, lightweight, handles multiple fuel options, and it's made in the USA by a cottage vendor. 👍

In real life situations you have the wind as a major factor. In my opinion nothing beats the trangia complete set. Pots, pan and the optimised windscreen. Not great for ultralight backpacking, but perfect for motorcycle camping.

@pamelaklemp5615

4 жыл бұрын

Agree with you. Husband and I both ride and camp with Vespa Scooters, complete with saddle bags. We always take our Trangia 27 and our Solo Stove Titan for Moto-Camping. After a day's ride, being able to cook large/anything is always comfy before lights out time.

@kewsoner7924

2 жыл бұрын

I hiked all my life with a full trangia, but I always hick with friends and it's been tested that if 3 people all cook on a full trangia, it is the light option. But the way we hick we spilt everything out in all the backpacks so everyone are carring the same load(except if we have a tiny girl with us, then we normally take it easy on her, with out her knowing it).

1:50 - Things I like about the simple one piece stand that is included with the Trangia knockoffs: Essentially free - stove + stand costs less that Trangia stove Nothing to assemble - fastest setup, no rickety hinges or interlocking slots Suspends the stove above the ground so the cold ground isn't cooling the alcohol Stove nests inside so the stand protects the stove from damage

The Trangia kits look so wind resistant! It would be interesting to see a comparison test with a fan producing a slight breeze. I realize that experienced campers would buy or make a wind shield of some sort--but I suspect that even with the average windshield--the boil time may be drastically reduced in comparison with theTrangia.

Thanks for not waiting on the stove to bloom. Fuel is burning and generating heat, so I wonder why so many KZreadrs don't count that time? I have to question why you didn't make the DIY wire stand with more clearance? With the right burner to stand spacing it would have been a cost effective, top performer, plus it's easy to put a windscreen around.

Thanks for making this video. Really appreciate it

Nice to see someone doing tests with these again. I have a chinese made pot that has a heat exchanger on the bottom. Here in CO at altitudes between 8,000 and 11,000 ft I have had 2 cup boil times with it in the 6-7 minute range. Using a Trangia and HEET. The distance that's best with that pot is 1.75 believe it or not because it catches almost all of the flame, none going sideways, it goes through the exchanger and works awesome!

It is important to note that the Trangia set is a storm cooker! It works with every wind level and it is not an open fire.

@TorstenLif

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I fully agree. Of course, I'm partial since the Trangia stoves are from the corner of Sweden where I grew up and I've been using them since the 1970's. But I'd really like to see a "Cooking up a storm" test series where the tests are repeated but with a fan blowing sideways across the table. I think most will be surprised by how much of the heat is lost by even a small amount of wind across the open burner designs, while the Trangia actually burns more efficiently in wind! Assuming, of course, that you follow the instructions and turn the stove so that the air holes in the bottom part face INTO the wind, so the wind forces more air through. And, of course, the weight comparisons change completely once you have to figure in the various types of wind screens needed by all except the Trangia 27/25 base.

@TheRflynn

Жыл бұрын

Paleo needs to re-run all these tests with a hair dryer on full 1 meter from the flame.

Very interesting comparison. For me it was important to get proof, that I am doing right to use my original Trangia cook-set. And "yes", it's right, that outdoors any wind shield is really mandatory. Happy to see, that the Trangia cook-set is the fastest. But about the weight and distance to the pot...... I have completely switched off, when I only hear this "imperial system" without any cenversion to the metric system. I'm already happy, that the time is given in minutes and seconds and not in 422/3600 hour. Nevertheless the test was almost scientifically accurate. Well done. I'm looking forward to more of these tests, not only with burners. Stay safe and have fun in the woods.

@marcross4202

2 жыл бұрын

Imperial system is a bit confusing for us in Europe. metric system seem so easy to comprehend. just to say

Very nice presentation. I Love my TRANGIA 27. Thank You Ernie. Brent

Howzit Thanks for taking the time and effort to do these comparisons. Great job! I'm recently purchased the Firebox Nano Gen 2 (Ti) so am happy with these results :) All the very best from New Zealand Gary

@PaleoHikerMD

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary, you will LOVE the Nano.

Very good demo, surprising results. Thanks and take care.

Nice test! I use the 28 T set for the simmer option when cooking. The versatility of the Firebox does look very interesting.👍

I prefer a Trangia stand that lets me use the simmer ring. Boiling water is fine but I also like to cook. Whether it’s a soup or a Bannock I use my simmer ring all the time. So my favourite combo is a Trangia & FireBox Nano 🔥

@Sirrehpotsirch

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean the Firebox Ultralight Titanium Nano?

@alf3553

Жыл бұрын

@@Sirrehpotsirch I have both the Stainless Steel & Titanium FireBox Nano. Same stove just different price / material / weight. Gives me the option of a wood fire or Trangia burner. You really need to feed the firewood constantly with the Nano due to the size. The new FireBox FreeStyle also pairs nicely with a Trangia burner & is easier with a fire but it is a bit bigger.

loved the review/testing.... i have the TI Firefox Nano 2, and the 27. Love them both. Great results. Thanks!

Great test! Ive use the trangia burner with an IKEA hobo stove with tent peg pot stands in the highest holes and the burner sat on the bottom. Stove to pot is around two inches and the boil time for 16oz of cold water was 5 mins. Seems the sweet spot is much higher than most people say. Easy to wrap or line with foil in windy conditions and nests well with my Eurohike solo cookset, or a Stanley. Larger pans will sit directly on top. To access the burner more easily just cut hole in the side with a dremel or snips to use the snuffer/simmer lid. It’s also a wood stove and costs just £3 in the UK.

@Adam-G777

2 жыл бұрын

Ikea hob stove??🤔

@victorf5404

2 жыл бұрын

@@Adam-G777 No, Hobo Stove. It’s the common name given to the various conversions of IKEA‘s Ordning cutlery stand into a twig-burning stove. Some people have also adapted it to hold the Trangia burner.

nice comparison - very informative ... thank you for sharing.

I hiked all my life with a full trangia, but I always hick with friends and it's been tested that if 3 people all cook on a full trangia, it is the light option out there. But the way we hick we spilt everything out in all the backpacks so everyone are carring the same load(except if we have a tiny girl with us, then we normally take it easy on her, with out her knowing it).

A great feature of the stand from the Trangia mini kit is that you can dribble a little alcohol in the bottom to get your burner started faster in cold weather.

I am very grateful that I found your channel! 🤜🏻👍🤛🏻♡♡♡

Like ur style of testing and explaining how test are goin

Great comparison video, thanks for all the effort that went into that. One suggestion. I found it difficult to remember the boil times, flame distance, weight, and costs between the sets. Any chance you could update the description putting them in order of boil times and include those values I mentioned along with the links/model that you already have in the description? This video will no doubt be around for years and others new to your videos will see this and it would help them out. Again great job and thanks for the time I know that I took you to make this.

Nano is probably best for hiking with a need for multiple fuels. Good job.

4:00. Turn that cross stand upside down and it works much better. It's not as stable but it boils 2 cups about 2 minutes faster.

Thanks mate. Great breakdown.

I find the Lixada portable folding stove better than the Firebox Nano as it functions perfectly well as a wood burner, there is a bigger aperture and space to burn twigs right up to thicker branches if you feed them in slowly. It works as a windshield and pot stand for the Trangia, and folds down flat to pocket size. Available in Ti and stainless, mine is stainless. In fact mine isn't Lixada, but a no-name knockoff, but it's perfectly good and only cost me the equivalent of $15. But you should use the hinged one, not the one which clips together, as it can fall apart when you move it.

Good video. You’ve revived my obsession with backpack stoves. 👍🏻👍🏻 Get an Emberlit FireAnt Stove... that’s my favorite Trangia stand.... and it will burn twigs, and solid fuel tabs. 🇺🇸

Great review my friend. Thank you so much for sharing. 🤗

Great vid. I own several myself and for me it's , for compact the Trangia Triangle ( I use the Vango mini windshield with this as it also fits in the case) the Firebox Nano (I have the stainless steel Nano and love it). And as an overall great all round stove you can't beat the original Trangia (I also have the 25).

..really good set of reviews; thank you. Bought the 27! :)

@wild-radio7373

3 жыл бұрын

Good Move ♡♡♡

It's funny how consistent the trangia system is, because I've noticed that boiling 2 cups of water on one takes exactly 7 minutes, almost to the second, and it was your result too

For backpacking (in my state) Stainless triangle stand= winner! Fast boil. We have fire restrictions pretty much year round so wood burning option is a no-go. The Nano has too many fiddly bits to lose at just the wrong time, and cost way too much. Great video! Really like the way you ran the testing.

@PaleoHikerMD

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I have both SS Firebox stoves and they each work well with the Trangia!

I have the cross stand but i like the nano the best since i can use wood when the fuel runs out. Good Video

The original Trangia 27 also has optimum intake airflow as well as the sweet spot height. Use it in the wind and it blows the doors off all the others and comes with a whole cook system. Great video for us alcohol stove fans.

@jimf1964

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, and it’s not very heavy, it’s just too dam big, and it doesn’t have the ability to be used as a stick stove. I use the alcohol only for when it’s just one night and or ultralight, and I just have to heat a little water for food, or if it’s wet and dry wood is an issue, but for multiple days, the option to use wood really helps a lot.

Wow got to get me one thank you for your post

Cool test. I like your suggestion of the Nano. 👍🏻

Here is some things I have found with alcohol stoves. With the Evernew stand , drop the heat plate to the bottom ( the same way as if you were using wood ) and put the burner on it. It's my backpacking outfit and I use the lighter Evernew burner in it. 2nd choice is the firebox nano as an emergence kit. It also works really well if you are looking at something really light weight and with a duel function , alcohol or wood. . For my canoeing trips it's the Trangia 27 as the best if weight and size does not matter.

I like the original trangia stand bc I can warm my hands on the sides as well. :D

What a great video, thoroughly enjoyed it and a big thumbs up from here in deepest Dorset England 👍! My only slight criticism is this. Trangia say the burner should be allowed to bloom before you start cooking, I think there would have been some better times from the poorer performers had this been the case. Also the enclosed type stands starve, to some degree, the amount of air getting to the burner taking longer to bloom! And the reason the 25/3 did so well, although being an enclosed type stand, is because the design actually draws air into the burner. I have used Trangia burners for almost 60yrs and like you have an almost unhealthy interest in stoves😂 my main stoves of choice nowadays is the 27 and 28 with the Evernew with cross bars in hot pursuit! Once again many thanks for all your hard work bringing us these videos, very much appreciated 👍

I have found the Clickstand burner stand with its wind shield on to be the best that I have tested especially in real world use as in outside.

Been using the firebox nano since they were released, and haven’t been disappointed, especially after the release of the xcase with the carbon felt windscreen.

I really enjoyed this vid. Lots of good info. 2 things... You should have used the included single plate windshield on the Nano, as it helps retain heat and therefore gives a quicker boil time. That is one of the main reasons the Trangia stand was the fastest. Also, when you were you were describing the multifunctionality of the Nano, you left out the Trangia Gas Burner option. Something else the Nano was specifically designed for. Thanks again for a very informative video!

I concur with your endorsement of the Firebox Nano not only as one of the fastest spirit burners but because of its multi-functional ability to also burn gas canisters, solid fuel tabs, or wood. Good job, my friend.

@E_Clampus_Vitus

8 ай бұрын

Gas cylinders ?

I think it's not just the distance but the faster stands also kept the burner off the ground, which would act as a heatsink, cooling the burner. The 27 windshield would also reflect the heat.

Great Video really enjoy your videos i have the Trangia stove with the firebox nano thinking about buying the the stainless steel case for it for a stand and if used with wood a good ember catcher still got loads of snow yet in Labrador City,Labrador Canada lol

I was really hoping to see the clickstand make an appearance. Nice Video!

Agreed... The Firebox Nano.

I have heard it said that the best thing about the Trangia 25/27 system is the burner stand and integral windscreen. It is a very stable, efficient but bulky system. Using this with the Trangia pan and lid or kettle usually results in the fastest boil. They were designed as a complete solution. My preference though is the bombproof or "soldier proof" Swedish army trangia. Its burner holds more fuel than the "civvy" burner and if you do manage to run out of fuel everything except the burner can go on a fire.

My summer hiking kit is the firebox nano titanium with a full trangia. If I find wood, that's what I use. If not, or it's wet, my lunch / coffee gets the alcohol treatment. Then, I do. :) Trangia / Firebox is an outstanding combination.

I used the military Trangia set for years, after having used umpteen other systems. Even though it weighs a fair bit, it wins for me, through its sheer versatility. If you are to be in the field for extended periods it is the best.

Great vid, thank you :) Hiram is the man! I love to watch water boil :)

@connosaurus

4 жыл бұрын

Martin K I too, enjoy watching Hiram boil water.

@robertcwillifordii2630

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, there's no new videos because Hiram passed away some time ago. :(

@MrTangent

3 жыл бұрын

Robert C Williford II Serious? How do you know?

Good presentation. I’ve got a multi fuel stove which serves as a windscreen as well as a support. I’ve been pretty well pleased with it for all fuels.

Great information, thanks.

Hey! You got Hiram's timer and thermometer. Nice.

The Trangia also has several fuel accessories like a cup to replace the alcohol stove for use with solid fuels, a (very expensive) multi fuel burner for white gas, which can be adapted for propane or butane with the correct adapter, or you can remove the burner sections, put it on a pie plate, and burn twigs or small pieces of wood under it. If you are stealth camping, (I watch Steve Wallis’ channel also), the flame can only be seen if you are directly above it, and it has a built in wind shield. It comes with a pot, a frying pan, and a kettle, and the whole thing folds up into a package only slightly latger than the pot. The only drawback is the weight. Be advised, it comes with different dash numbers like 25-6 or 25-3. For some reason, the smaller dash numbers are the larger diameter kits.

I got the Firebox Nano based on this review / recommendation by Paleo Hiker. Thanks much for all the work you put into this. That being said I tested it recently in the cold / snow to cook ramen noodles. There was a bit of a breeze and after 20 minutes of waiting the water got warm but it never boiled and noodles were not cooked. The flame was mostly blowing to the side of my pot so very inefficient. I ran out of fuel and I gave up and used a BRS 3000 canister stove that boiled it right up. I was dissapointed in the Firebox stove. Too much fiddling around. I like the idea of an alcohol stove since they are light weight, no moving parts, and quiet but seems a good wind screen is critical. I will next get a Toaks Windscreen / Pot Stand.

funny thing i just got a trangia spirit burner last week and now this video shows up on my feed

Great video.

Great job Mister! Thumbs up and suscribed. Greeting from Germany, Attila

I use the evernew alcohol burner with a firebox nano (ss). I get the best results, the fastest boil time, using the burner on the base of the stove - a greater distance than the supposed “sweet spot”. I use the evernew pot stand beneath the burner as a spacer to slow the boil time (decreasing the temp). The nano serves as my windscreen.

@rationalityfirst

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking about when I saw the setup. The flame needs to get higher to get hotter.

I really like your channel! I've been searching for a good trangia stand and i like the Firebox Nano. However i saw another option which seems a very interesting, versatile, foldable and lightweigt woodstove. It's called the Vargo Hexagon Titanium. It also is possible to combine the trangia with it. Could you do a review on that one?? ...i see you already tested that one 😄

Nice review. Reminiscent of Hiram. Miss Hiram. The Nano is tempting but a little steep. May ask for one for Christmas.

@MrHiss2011

4 жыл бұрын

What ever happened to Hiram ? loved that guys channel.

The Fancee Feest Stove by Zelph has a built in pot stand. It is my favorite by far. Just ask Shug.

Im doing alot of hiking and I believe that wind protection is by far the biggest factor in the field. If the stove and stand won't direct the heat onto the pot or pan you waste fuel and time. Don't cheap out on your stove, get something that's made for real outdoor use!

EXCELLENT demonstrations and tests, Thank you for your time. Helen with Kat & Terri with Robyn (Eastern UK fenlands),

In my opinion, the best stand for a Trangia (since I don't care about weight) is a modifed Ikea Wood Stove that can be used for solid fuels, alchohol stoves, and wood. Sure, it is a litlte heavy and not too compact, but it is awesome and you can pack stuff inside it.

Thanks for another top rate gear comparo, doc. One thing I wonder about is the fb nano in titanium: good that it doesn’t act like a heat sink, but does the lack of weight create possible stability issues with a trangia burner and a pot with water, with all the weight on top?

If you’ve got room for it in your backpack,it’s got to be the Trangia 27 set

Ernie, no Trangia Triangle? Even though I love the Nano with my Trangia burner. I've ordered the Firebox gas burner to see how good that is at firing up grub here in the Great White North. Great content my friend!

I use my fancy feast stove in my 🔥 firebox nano 🔥it works for me !!

Do you test the alocs version its like the first one ? Im interested in the titanium stove more as well

Would take the 27 it simply is a great go-to yes come cold weather a pain to light but all such spirit burners tend to be the windshield helps keep it lit the base helps prevent it from getting knocked over and helps focus that heat.

Nice video good job thanks

I’ve read that the Trangia mini stand was originally developed for dog sledders, which is a major competitive sport in Northern Scandinavia. That means it’s developed to be lightweight, stand on snow and be able to handle cold and often windy conditions. (It probably is made to handle the multifuel burner too, as they have to heat a lot of dog food.) I think it could explain a thing or two.

My day trip stand is a coat hanger wrapped around the neck of the Tranga , bend up 1 inch and then bend 90 deg to hold a pot. For travel flip it over and it stores on the burner. Total weight is about 8 inches of coat hanger. Saw it on Utube years ago. Makes the others except the Firebox look a little silly,

Hopefully the 25 ,set i ordered will come in soon . I got the little cross piece thats built for the 27 and 25 sets , can use anything in it for a cooking pot on it

I should go ahead and maybe make myself an alcohol stove for my short trips. The reason I don't have one now is that I use a homemade wood gasification stove. The reason I use that is because it is part of my INCH kit. The stove is lightweight, stealthy, and very fuel efficient. It will boil water quickly. I have never timed it, but sometimes I am surprised by how quickly it happens. Yes, like I said, I may need to make one for my frequent overnighters. I see how that it could be very convenient at times, especially for things such as a quick stealthy cup of hot beverage or lunch. Normally when stealth camping I will cook around dark with the stove and then dump it to help form a small campfire.

well done great video. rick

Great video! Side question - what do you use to keep and transport your fuel for your trangia burners? Also about how much fuel do you take with you on your trips?

@wild-radio7373

3 жыл бұрын

Very important ♡♡♡

@EattinThurs61

2 жыл бұрын

I use a Trangia fuel bottle, it is quite lightweight and sturdy. I used to have a larger aluminium fuel bottle about a quart ie 1 litre...35 years ago.

@dennisyoung4631

Жыл бұрын

The Trangia bottles are very convenient. (I bought the largest (1 liter) one, as I was going into an area where denatured alcohol was not available. I plan to get a smaller one for trips that are closer to home.)

You might want to watch video firebox did on trangia burner In the nano. They got faster times by not using nano sticks and just dropping burner down to bottom of nano stove.

@wild-radio7373

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this suggestion!♡♡♡

I just use tent stakes as a pot stand and aluminum foil like material as a wind break/heat container.

Given the Fancy Feast tests, should we assume that we want 1.25" above the burner?

If you are not concerned with weight, Coghlans folding stove works well too. You need wind protection with it too. I use my DIY pop can stoves with it.

I may have missed a comment but did you have a lid on the pot for these boil times? Thanks.

Hello, thanks a lot for this video, I saw today. Very interesting. Can you please give me a link to the stand No 4 in the video, min 4:48 (with 3 parts) ? I couldn't find it in the list. Thank you very much.

I have the impression that the top drander bottom must be at least 1¨. prefer 1 1/2 " Good test!

Awesome stuff🏕️👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

I want to mention that the cross stand might be quite a good option for a 95mm diameter pot like my Tomshoo 600ml one. With windscreen the flames stay under the pot with such a short burn distance. The larger distance stands will loose heat. Also considering that the trangia burns slower with shorter distances from burner to pot, the cross stand is perhaps most fuel efficient.

@perrycoate5016

Жыл бұрын

For me efficiency is more important than speed. Carrying as little fuel as possible is the goal.

I wonder what the times would be if a wind screen was used for each of the stands. I'm guessing there would be smaller differences in the boil times.

Altitude changes boiling temperature. 212 is at sea level. At 500 feet above sea level water boils at 211. Weather systems (high and low pressure) can influence the boiling temperature as well.