I bet A.J. will think twice next time.

@SmokeStackLightning.

2 ай бұрын

Isaac was the one yelling "you got 10 seconds!"

@rcg9573

2 ай бұрын

@metv2363 I’ll bet you are not all that bright.

@metv2363

2 ай бұрын

@@rcg9573 , A.J. was filleted like a fish. Your mother told me I am smarter than you, so there.

The prosecution's case is a joke and it gets worse each day. This witness doesn't remember what he saw except for what is on the video, he is a liar and his testimony was a disaster for the state.

@foobarrel9046

2 ай бұрын

Yep, they keep presenting these repulsive snivelling cry-bully liars who instantly fall apart under cross-examination, like really striving to improve the self-defense case and secure a not guilty verdict.

@KPD017

2 ай бұрын

This went really bad 🤦🏻‍♀️🤣

@mlstovall00

2 ай бұрын

Are you mentally challenged somehow, or are you the lover of this POS psychopath defendant? WTF are you watching, because it sure isn't the witness and victim testimony nor the video presented in this trial.

@Scentedsam1993

2 ай бұрын

Except for the fact the guy stabbed multiple unarmed people killing one of them. Y’all are braindead

@gailtrotman5256

2 ай бұрын

I agree the prosecution's case is a disaster but this witness went to diffuse the situation. Why do you accuse him of lying? He was near death after being mortally wounded. The doctor testified that he wouldn't have survived if he didn't get to medical treatment so of course his memory is fuzzy.

This witness is burned out with drugs and alcohol.

@rcg9573

2 ай бұрын

@edbregin2180 And you and all the morons, who liked your post are low IQ wastes of good oxygen.

@Scentedsam1993

2 ай бұрын

I just looked it up and he and the other victims are the first teenagers to ever drink and smoke weed

@Rollimggiant

2 ай бұрын

Please he has not been around long enough to have long term health problems from drug and alcohol abuse. He is a kid who held his own intestines this is PTSD not alcohol and drug abuse

He remembers his lying.

this guy is so full of BS. Clearly, he wasn't trying to be a peacemaker. He didn't deserve what happened to him but he clearly wasn't a peacemaker.

@mortekaieve4729

2 ай бұрын

If someone attacks another person as a part of a mob of 13, what do they deserve? To be arrested? What if they kill someone before that?

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

I don't know about that. The gesture he shows with his hands indicates that. It wasn't an aggressive punch

The prosecution should have coached this dude better. The Jury doesn't care what his intent was, they weigh the facts of his actions. Despite the chaos of the sitaution, Miu never put his hands on this dude. Martin had no obligation to insert himself in the altercation, but he did so due to his lack of emotional control. He went from a bystander, to participant, to aggressor, to bleeding to death in less than 30 seconds. During his cross examination he should have refrained from elaborating as much as possible. He was far too open with his answers. The defense did a pretty good job of creating ambiguity and doubt with his testimony.

He came across as such a whiny weasel

@Lord_Humungus

2 ай бұрын

But he was defending a woman, he is a courageous white knight🤡

Dude turned this guy into a fish.

@Lord_Humungus

2 ай бұрын

If this guy is a fish, he's a clown fish 🐟🗡

@angelapyle7301

2 ай бұрын

@@Lord_HumungusI shouldn’t laugh but, damn no matter what side of the the fence your on this was devilishly funny ‼️😂😂😂

@starbaex7172

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

This guy is as guilty as sin. You clearly see him on video attacking the man.

This liar is not a victim, The victim is on trial, Seriously the Prosecutor needs to step down from his position..

@MrMooremelody

2 ай бұрын

He didn't need to stab a 50kg girl or stab people in the chest. I agree that he was a victim of bullying and it would've been scary but not to the point where he needed to stab everyone around him.

@Scentedsam1993

2 ай бұрын

He wasn’t speaking and wielded a knife and stabbed multiple people. Made no effort to explain why he charged at a group of teens. This is why Trump is gey

@gailtrotman5256

2 ай бұрын

Both are true facts. AJ IS certainly a victim but Miu had 8 people on him accusing him of terrible things.

@gailtrotman5256

2 ай бұрын

​@@MrMooremelodyIf he didn't have the knife what would have happened to him in the circumstances? Those girls were the instigators!

Put on these fake glasses and act all innocent 😂 not so tough now huh ?

Bullies! Self-defense!!!

Instead of "reaching down to restrain a man involved in a fight and realized he had been stabbed" as the media's description states, the video shows him impaling himself on a knife being held by a man he was pushing around. Then while impaled, he pushes the man so violently that he rips his own guts out. karma sure is the b-word.

@KKC70

2 ай бұрын

😂 That's literally the dumbest thing I've ever read. That's some next level trolling

@justaguy259

2 ай бұрын

@@KKC70 actually its spot on.

@KKC70

2 ай бұрын

@@justaguy259 Spot on if you're mentally challenged. "pushes the man violently". 😂 I've been bumped into harder in line at the grocery store. They should have taken the knife away from the drunken sociopath who brought a butcher knife to the river to go tubing, and then given it back to him about fifteen times

@Troublesome91x

2 ай бұрын

​@KKC70 shut up you goose

@SmokeStackLightning.

2 ай бұрын

Turned himself into a fish.

And Aj bent over top of him while pushing Mr. Mu down AND in doing so Aj walked into the knife himself. Aj stabbed himself. Watch the video slowly Frame by fràme.. you will see

@Cwgrlup

2 ай бұрын

Yup…he walked into the guys space and when he pushed Miu he made him fall and caused his own disembowelment. One would think he would have changed his lowlife ways after he lived through this situation.

@KKC70

2 ай бұрын

😂 Yeah, whenever I'm falling backwards instead of reaching back to brace my fall, which is pure instinct... I hold a knife straight out with my arm as stiff as possible. Were you in separate classes from the other kids in school, and everyone told you it was because you are special?

@karenm8602

2 ай бұрын

@@KKC70 yes actually, its just physics - someone pushes you backwards the initial momentum causes your arms go forward . so yeah you literally do hold your arms out stiff. it is only when you realise you are falling that you try to save yourself.

@KKC70

2 ай бұрын

@@karenm8602 So you flunked physics in school. Watch the video with an adult, and have them explain it to you

@TracyGreen-th7vi

2 ай бұрын

I’ve been trying to find a video with the actual stabbing to watch but can’t seem to

What's wrong with this person?

@rev3737

2 ай бұрын

Drugs

@Rollimggiant

2 ай бұрын

PTSD

@bilindamueller3154

2 ай бұрын

The mentality of thugs..

The witness is the one that is advancing towards the older man moving in towards the knife, himself causing such a horrific injury.

@richardkalmwater5996

2 ай бұрын

An older man who had heart surgery.

@saucy3639

2 ай бұрын

tbf he didnt see the knife at that point

@christiandupont950

2 ай бұрын

@@saucy3639 aw he didnt see his victim was armed before he assaulted him XD. ITS NOT FAIR

@Lord_Humungus

2 ай бұрын

​@@christiandupont950😂

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

​@richardkalmwater5996 there's no way they would have known about his heart surgery, plus it was a year and a half prior to the incident

He is not stabbing victim, he is attacking suspect

@Scentedsam1993

2 ай бұрын

No he was unarmed and stabbed you must be slow.

@SmokeStackLightning.

2 ай бұрын

He knows how to clean a deer now.

@acetown2263

2 ай бұрын

He was stabbed, just didn't die.

That kid is a punk.

@chuckcomstock4747

2 ай бұрын

Well I bet not anymore, that nance is gonna have PTSD for a spell I surmise!! That ol boy took the fight out of that pup!

This guy was better off pleading the fifth. Oof. Disaster. 🤦🏻‍♀️

43.37 sums him up. A great question by the defense lawyer and this AJ kid pretends he doesn't hear the question. Then when re-asks he chips in with these slimy comments like 'maybe the suspect should've used his words'. The kid just argues every question. Dude, answer the damn question!

@ddd_4850

2 ай бұрын

And then the lawyer needs to be reminded like more than 4 times about some

Not a single one of the "kids" admits to any wrongdoing or expresses any remorse in the role which they played in this harrowing fiasco. The "witnesses" are not labeled as "victims" in the courtroom and there is a reason why. Those who incited violence met with the unanticipated knife.

Fish filet got smoked🚬

self-defense

A.J. and all these "teens" and young adults received their justice in the form of permanent scars. Isaac learned the final lesson. Bullying is not ok.

Did this man get straight outta bed and slide in court? He impaled himself with his stupid actions.

Now even the judge is coddling these teenagers

@trucuriousity

2 ай бұрын

You did see the scar showing how the adult perp tried to rip that teenager open from how to stern? If you think that he's being coddled I truly feel sorry for you.

@CarrieV9

2 ай бұрын

What is wrong with you?

@rcg9573

2 ай бұрын

@user-cz6sz1cn8o Spoken like the good right wing racist waste of good oxygen that you are.

@john172867

2 ай бұрын

They weren't all teenagers... But most of them were bullies and none of them tried to help Mr. Miu. Why aren't those that pushed him in the water being charged with assault?

Judge is out of line. This case is a complete disaster. Prosecution is whack. Defense is dead on. So sad.

@richardkalmwater5996

2 ай бұрын

The average judge in the USA is very anti self defense. Even in Texas...

Both these groups were intoxicated and trying to tell the same story. Transparent as hell! I can only pray that there have been lessons learned, unfortunately at the cost of people’s lives.

@mistyevans8160

2 ай бұрын

1 life and 4 injured. Only 1 of which was serious but video basically shows him impaling his self

It's obviously a lie AJ told when he said he went up to Nikolai to put his hands on his shoulder to try and convince him to stand down , and step away. The video clearly show AJ placing both of his hands on Niks shoulders from behind, and giving him a good shove. Then Nik turns to him, plunges his knife into AJ's abdomen (this I think was unnecessary, and Nik should've just ran away! Now he's locked up- see where it got him) With the knife buried handle deep in his gut, AJ shoves Nik from the shoulders again this time from the front, and the knife climbs its way up AJs abdomen really cutting him open. I think the lesson is: alcohol and knives don't mix, but my question is: Why do people lie under oath? Why did AJ lie?

Slow frames of video shows AJ pushing down on back shoulder of miu as he is pushed & slapped down on the water by others. Miu gets up turning towards the threat of AJ & stabs knife into him..

His hair was in the way from his seeing anything that is against his story.

Sorry another point even if the defendant would have used words, this STILL would have happened He looked like he was in a state of shock I know I would be. So sorry bud! to me that doesn't fly!

I have been in the medical field for along time, that does not look like a stab wound, it looks as if the skin burst open, and other slides showed this AJ shoved this man which by the way recently had open heart surgery, this guy is lying he used words that I'm sure that the prosecutor helped with. He said that this man was messing with a little girl( who happens to be 22 or 23) he pulled her hair and hit her very hard maneuver. These kids seem to have selected memories. Nothing was wrong with that questioning that AJ repeated his self often, but I guess the judge thought that was ok. Something doesn't set right here I think my crew needs to open an investigation on prosecution,judge and these kids.

@Scott-et4kd

Ай бұрын

The kids should definitely be prosecuted, and for hate crimes. The issue for the jury is only whether NM killed in anger, or in fear for his life. The jury found that the facts support the former. They're right

52:50 A.J.'s intent was to push Miu down into the water to tell everyone to back up. That to me sounds like A.J. is saying he was trying to push Miu down into the water to save him from everyone that was attacking him. So, AJ attacked Miu to save him? What a guy.

how can you smile & laugh saying any of that?

Crazy he said the blk guy and not the other blk guy, hmmm🤨🤔🧐

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

Is he black? I think he's mixed at best.

This young man is blessed to be alive. Very easily he might have lost his life or been left severely disabled. This was a horrific tragedy and I am just beginning the case so I don't know the details if this was possibly self defense? I do know that mom will never see her son again and his life is over. I know how traumatic this was for everyone. I have hope that he will receive a fair trial

As in most of the vids by eyewitnesses, the Defence unwittingly brags about the fact that NM had the knife out before he struck "Maddy." It means NM struck Maddy only because he had the knife. This is to say, he struck Maddy only because he knew it would provoke the boys to viokence, and NM thought he'd be justified to kill "in self defence." Quinton's testimony makes clear that NM, all along, had been trying to provoke the boys to violence. Even in an SYG state, NM would have probably been found quilty because of what Quinton pointed out.

52:55 A.J. states that it could have been solved if Miu used words. Really? When a mob is screaming at you and attacking you can just talk to them?

I so have prayed this man goes home to his fur baby and his wife who only had to divorce him due to financial reasons.

He was pushing Miu down into the water to be a peacemaker then?

Im still trying to grasp what happend- can someone explain?

@christiandupont950

2 ай бұрын

Drunk kids started calling a guy a rapist and pedo. Unrelated members of the public gather. Mob starts taunting and menacing the man before assaulting him. They didnt know he was armed. He stabs four people choking him, punching him, pushing him in the water.

@notrustfunderz

2 ай бұрын

@@christiandupont950exactly that.

@brittneybrown4849

Ай бұрын

@christiandupont950 thanks! I finally was able to catch up on the entire story and it's horrible 😪 they did him dirty for sure.

at 37:00 he didn't see the 2nd hit or slap or 3rd one

Miu didn't use words then??????

This is sick the court literally making him a suspect after getting ripped open a grown ass man did this to under age kids sick af whose the adult here

@MrMooremelody

2 ай бұрын

they're all adults. the kids are closer to 20 years old I think

So, he saw Maddy get pulled in the back of the hair???? No.

He want to keep someone down that's being attacked by multiple people for his safety..mmmmm I dont think so!!!!

Wait at 33:00 the black guy hit Miu?????

Thats hard too watch how did this guy have a knif that long Why was here there anyway

Maybe you should learn some words to use yourself.

Why didn't a y of Mui's group do anything to help him if he is such avictim

@JohnMoran

2 ай бұрын

because they were far away while it happened. Mui had snorkeled downstream to find his friend's phone.

@richardkalmwater5996

2 ай бұрын

Because older people have more emotional self control Unlike young people...

I think these attorneys lack a moral compass and are blinded by their want for a win. AJ Martin was more a hero trying to protect the women, protect the groups, stranger danger. Lock up Mui life in prison 💯

I'm still not understanding how a knife that exists just to cut twine and open boxes is sharp enough to inflict such severe injuries in a few seconds of time in multiple individuals, without the knife wielder having injuries to himself. Perhaps we are going to hear more detailed testimony about the weapon later. Defense definitely "misspoke" when he called this weapon a utility knife in opening statements.

@richardkalmwater5996

2 ай бұрын

The invention of the knife handle combine with keeping the blade sharp prevents injuries.

Everyone against these young adults are either straight up liars or don’t have children, also most likely bots. But for those who aren’t you guys have serious issues and should never ever have children and if you do and they were him you would be chirping a different turn. Miu is guilty.

Bullies on the playground…..drunk, rowdy bullies on the playground - I saw them put hands on him and held him down in the water. None of these people see the error of their own ways in this…

@applejuicejunkie316

2 ай бұрын

Isaac Schuman learned his lesson at the cost of his life.

Bunch of😸😸😸

He wasn’t fighting he didn’t look like a fighter he looked like a toddler trying to push him away

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

I agree. The way he had his hands did look like he was trying to contain him, not fight.

@virtualbeing5195

Ай бұрын

@@LovernotafighterFL Even if that were true that he only intended to hold him there, how would the defendant know when he was just attacked by a group of people and then has someone holding him down in the water?

@virtualbeing5195

Ай бұрын

They could have all looked like saints and angels to you. That fact is they were violently attacking him and had the strength to kill him.

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

@@virtualbeing5195 Not accurate. This tells me you didn't watch the trial or know the sequence of events.

@virtualbeing5195

Ай бұрын

@@LovernotafighterFL If you've got nothing to say, don't bother typing. This guy was obviously defending himself. The video definitely showed that. Maybe you could have watched it 100 times and seen something else but that's what happened.

Why isn't the prosecutor objecting to the defense asking the same questions over and over again???

@Julie..1

2 ай бұрын

It’s cross examination… have you watched other cases? Or know anything about the law?

@lindafinch1520

2 ай бұрын

@@Julie..1 Yes, I do know its cross examination and have watched other cases. I am also a paralegal and know quite a bit about the law. I said that because a good prosecutor knows that not objecting on grounds of "asked and answered" can lead to "badgering of the witness" and other issues. Being you asked me those questions leads me to question you in your own words; "do you know anything about law?"

@Julie..1

2 ай бұрын

@@lindafinch1520 ehhh if you’re a paralegal then you should know asking the same question in other forms to a witness is something that’s used by both prosecution AND defense to make sure the witness understand what they are being asked. It’s an actual tactic commonly used in the court system 😌 If you bothered to watch the trial there were lots of objections by the state in regards to “asked and answered” and some of them were overruled 🤷🏻‍♀️ watch before interjecting yourself into something and asking a question that would have been answered had you actually watched the video you’re commenting on and or the case in itself ☺️ and indeed I know the law 🫶🏼

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

They do object at some point

I really can’t stand this judge.

The burning question I would have if I was on the jury is why did Mr. Miu have a knife at a water rafting event? At the same time the Defense does a good job of showing self-defense on the part of Miu.

@chw512

2 ай бұрын

Lots of tubing going on in apple river and knife commonly used to cut ropes that hold tubes. It's not weird at all, very common actually

@katherinesteves8721

2 ай бұрын

Yes and this question was asked and answered during the trial. His wife said he had it for the ropes.

@mistyevans8160

2 ай бұрын

That was stated and kindve a mute point as so many men and now women alike carry pocket knives.

That kid was ripped open from bow to stern by a grown man and just had to sit there and watch it on video over and over. His life will never be the same. Coddled my a$$.

@Caliphane

2 ай бұрын

The 17 year old drunk and high toddler right

@devonglide1830

2 ай бұрын

He wasn't a kid, he was a 24 year-old man who already had two felony convictions under his belt. I'm not saying he deserved to be stabbed, but he was a grown man, heavily intoxicated, multiple criminal convictions, out attacking an old man with a pack of what could accurately be described as droogs. Again, I don't know if Mr. Muir is guilty or innocent, but this guy is not some kind of angelic child as you would suggest.

@Cwgrlup

2 ай бұрын

He’s a lying sack of 💩

@TheDirtyLicker

2 ай бұрын

See how this woman here doesn't have the facts and thinks this is a kid she is exactly the same type as Madison who isn't testifying ...... you know the woman who can really take a punch and not drop her belongings. She really needed a "mediator".

@Caliphane

2 ай бұрын

@@TheDirtyLicker I don't know if the jury is going to pick up on any of this. My understanding is it's mostly comprised of old people there's a 90 year old on the jury. Edit: I was wrong there are some younger people on the jury as well

Am spoke well . That lawyer’s a kerk

😢 that poor guy!

@foobarrel9046

2 ай бұрын

Yes, it is terrible to be falsely accused of murder when forced to defend oneself against an aggressive mob who has surrounded and is assaulting you.

@angelapyle7301

2 ай бұрын

Ikm, terrible actions led to terrible endings.Guy,still be allowed a mediocrum of sympathy,he didn’t know his actions would lead to deaths & injuries 😢

This young man was intending to solve this crisis, he only made it worse , clearly evident on the video. This was so tragic!

@virtualbeing5195

Ай бұрын

His friends started the crisis that he made worse. That's more tragic for their intended victim, the defendant, now convicted man.

Terrible defence attorney

Stabbing people is as sinful as that old man.

@Scott-et4kd

Ай бұрын

Nope. You are quite wrong.

Why did a grown man hit a woman in the face tho?

@angiejorah

Ай бұрын

He didn't. Jawahn doesn't yell "He hit a woman" until after Miu was punched, slapped, and pushed down into the river twice.

Brave young man. Could tell it was traumatizing for him to be up there.

So glad you got some justice today, AJ! ❤

@rawveganterra

2 ай бұрын

Yes AJ is a warrior 🦾 stay strong young man.💛

@virtualbeing5195

Ай бұрын

This was another loss of justice even if you don't realize it. That's even more tragic, but that will happen in this world.

@rawveganterra

Ай бұрын

@@virtualbeing5195 Hu? Are you sober?

He answered a call for help and was attacked by unhinged man who could have walked away but instead punched a woman and pulled a knife

@godcuck7793

2 ай бұрын

So they couldn't walk away?

@CarrieV9

2 ай бұрын

@@godcuck7793Miu approached them. He could have rejoined his group. All of their tubes were tied together. He started walked away and then came back to continue the conflict. He has a fully developed frontal lobe and more than 2 times the life experience. Why was his judgement so bad? Why was his behavior so off?

@godcuck7793

2 ай бұрын

@CarrieV9 Now ask that of the teens. Why didn't the just keep moving? You already can tell he isn't of right mind, yet you charge him?

@devonglide1830

2 ай бұрын

@@godcuck7793 Of the five people stabbed, 4 were in their 20's. I don't mean to split hairs, but technically only one of the stabbing recipients was a teen.

@liamdamon

2 ай бұрын

@CarrieV9 where in the video did you hear a call for help? I hear teenagers screaming that Mui is a r*per & a p*do. But I don't hear anyone calling for help...

Why are you defending the stabber?

@Troublesome91x

2 ай бұрын

Cos he was defending himself, simple!!!!

@Lord_Humungus

2 ай бұрын

Becuse he was the victim

Poor guy. Holding in his intestines. Brutal.

I can’t get over the pain this young man is in, having to relive this terrible experience, my heart goes out to him. God bless you AJ, praying for your continued recovery and strength.

@Lord_Humungus

2 ай бұрын

He ran full force into the knife trying to attack a man on the ground being harrrased and attacked by a mob😂😂🤡🤡💩💩

@Thundernymph

2 ай бұрын

The idiot impaled himself on the knife....look at the pics and video.

I cannot believe all the comments against this witness who almost lost his life! The trauma he went through is horrific! This whole drama would most probably not have happened if you take alcohol out of the equation . But even so, if the defendant hadn’t had a knife, everyone would be fine today and we would have never heard of this altercation. It’s heartbreaking.

@Lord_Humungus

2 ай бұрын

Poor baby

@NonContentMakerZ3

2 ай бұрын

He is lying, a bad actor, combative and smug. And in the river he was also the leading attacker among a mob. What are you missing?

That defense attorney should've been held in contempt.

@godcuck7793

2 ай бұрын

You don't even know what that means. Stop talking.

@LokiPokey1

2 ай бұрын

Why? Please provide a sound argument.

@rev3737

2 ай бұрын

For what? Do you even know what it means? Lol

@jakesblink4609

2 ай бұрын

'Held in contempt' 😂😂😂 Gimme some of that blunt

@notrustfunderz

2 ай бұрын

lay off the crack pipe

Hmm, he was quite the tough guy till he met a desperate man!

So he lied about taking a knife from the kids when it was his own knife. He lied about the kids approaching him when it was he who waded across the river to make contact with them. He lied about being assaulted when he threw the first punch, a sucker punch knocking a woman down. He lied about fearing for his life because he had multiple opportunities to leave the area, but stayed. He then lied to police later claiming he had heard someone was stabbed and the suspect looked like him when he knew he had done it. And again he lied when he claimed he feared for his life when he casually tossed the knife away attempting to lose and destroy the evidence (because a person who truly fears for their life does not toss their weapon away while still in the area of the other party). This waste of good oxygen should be locked up forever!

@kayjay7585

2 ай бұрын

I don't think the evidence supports that he punched, hit or slapped the woman, but he did forcefully contact with her, but at a time when she and the rest of the group were hostile and belligerent. Neither that he could leave. Before the violence broke out, there was no need for flight and after it broke out, he was kept from leaving. I don't think you can call him the aggressor. His actions were certainly odd, but he didn't start calling these teens pedos and robbers and tried to instigate others to join in on the abuse. Other witnesses were in fear for HIS safety. I don't know what the verdict here should be. The whole situation clearly would grant self-defense, but how he used the knife also clearly went too far. But then again it was 13v1 and he was in a very vulnerable position standing in a river. But again, the way he just sliced the others really looks kinda off. But again, it kinda seems like all bets are off when young people bully and mob and elderly man like that.

@LovernotafighterFL

Ай бұрын

​@kayjay7585 He was not kept from leaving. He never tried to leave... it was a big wide river with many places to walk away

@angiejorah

Ай бұрын

@@LovernotafighterFL The "victims" could have walked away and not surrounded Miu.

This guy is AGGRESSIVE he plays the victim role pretty good I have met a few "mediators" in my day that always seemed to be a victim to the ladies while being highly aggressive to a "threat" which is usually who you are bullying to get your sick jollies. If a bully gets cut it don't make him a Saint. Ole Saint Mediator here "I didn't go for his back but if you want to say I did I mean we can go that route but it doesn't make much sense" watches a video of him holding a guy down while his friend beats him. Sure! Talk is cheap a wolf dressed like a sheep is still a wolf.