I love "the sun gave forth its light without brightness." Procopius had never experienced a typical British summer. 😆

@mavisemberson8737

Жыл бұрын

There was famine because crops did not grow.

@peacenow42

Жыл бұрын

@@mavisemberson8737 and because of the choices of what they tried or did grow/raise

@GERMANVSFVLMINATVS

Жыл бұрын

😄 Got a kick out'a this one; many thanks, Helena McGinty!

@richardmyhan3369

Жыл бұрын

That's why I live in the American Midwest. We may have bugs and humidity, but at least we have the sun. 😂😂

@catpainblackudder01

Жыл бұрын

@@richardmyhan3369 The problem with living in the American Midwest is, you'd have to live with Americans, pro and cons about everything...

Refreshing to see channels that don't just read from Wikipedia, the amount of research is incredible

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! If you want some in-depth reading I would seriously recommend Harper’s “The Fate of Rome”

One thing I noticed in reading about Justinian's reconquest of Italy, is that pre-Plague, Belisarius would ask for 10,000 more troops and would get sent 1,000. After the plague, he would ask for 10,000 and get 100. Since he was still Justinian's favorite, despite Theodora's attempt to destroy him, I think this reflects there being fewer able-bodied men who can be spared from the rest of economy. Is that a fair conclusion, based on the demographic effects of the plague?

58% of the KZread channels I subscribe to are ancient history. Why did it take years to be recommended this channel? I'm pissed at KZread. This is a phenomenal channel.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@GuinessOriginal

Жыл бұрын

KZread is predominantly about pushing narratives and agendas

I’m actually taking a class with Dr. Harper this semester, he’s very knowledgeable about the plague of Justinian, I stayed after class to ask him a few questions about it last week

@antoninuspius5264

Жыл бұрын

Cool! You should ask him what he thinks about scholars such as John Haldon (Princeton) who criticized Harper's 2017 book very harshly.

@GuinessOriginal

Жыл бұрын

@@antoninuspius5264 what did he say about it?

20k dying / day in only Constantinople must have been completely terrifying. Amazing also that Belisarius once again, pulls through. Even better with such a meager force. A lot of the stuff sounds pretty familiar with the Bronze Age Collapse. The only thing the Bronze Age Collapse lacked compared to the period covered in this video was a big, killer disease.

@hollyingraham3980

Жыл бұрын

Funny, I was just reading an article today on how the sixteenth cause they need to add to Causes of the Bronze Age Collapse is ... Pandemic.

@sirrathersplendid4825

Жыл бұрын

I think most authors believe the Bronze Age Collapse was caused by prolonged drought, i.e. climate change. There was a time when historians thought the desertification of the Sahara - once Rome’s bread-basket - was caused by over-farming, but that too seems to have been caused by gradual (and entirely non-anthropogenic) climate change.

I wann say that using the term "Roman Empire" instead of "Byzantine" or even "Eastern Roman" gives so much more sense to this part of history, thank you for this video!

@MrAniseable

Жыл бұрын

Why?

@viperking6573

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAniseablefor me it makes me understand how the Roman state is the same in the classical times and medieval times

Just when I thought I had enough roman empire books, these videos make me go out and get more.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Happy reading!

@kimberlyperrotis8962

Жыл бұрын

Me, too, I can’t resist! I’ve ben been watching/listening to books, podcasts, and courses on Late Antiquity in the past year and find it just a fascinating period in our history.

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

List of books I need to get is longer than ones I have. I barely have time to read those

Fantastic! This is a great example of why I love this channel. Our understanding of history and therefore of ourselves as humans has grown by leaps and bounds in a very short span of years as the hard sciences has been able to tie events in the natural world to the arc of history. Truly remarkable! It's frightening to see the most advanced civilizations of the day repeatedly undone by the same kinds of climate & geological events we still see today. There's a lesson in this for us if we're wise enough to heed it.

@arta.xshaca

Жыл бұрын

Two trends I see while studying history are: A) when people from a rougher environment come to an easier one, they find it easy to dominate the area. B) when a civilization, empire or kingdom becomes increasingly weak, it makes another civilization, empire or kingdom to overtake and overrun them. The examples of (A) include the Aryan migration to Iran, Afghanistan and South Asia. The examples of (B) include the conquest of the Achaemenid empire by the Greeks led by Alexander. A combined example for both (A) and (B) include the Islamic conquests (Arabs living in harsher environment and the weakened Byzantines & Sassanids both helped the conquests).

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob, I appreciate it. This video was a pain to edit so I’m happy people are enjoying it so far. I’m excited to see where the research with this goes in the next few years. It’s definitely changed quite a bit since I first learned about it a few years ago

@Stupidityindex

Жыл бұрын

Does anyone really know what time it is? Do you trust church & state have left us all the history & chronology we need to know?

@dylath2304

Жыл бұрын

@@arta.xshacathis is mostly a myth, the biggest threats to established empires are other bordering empires, not “strong men from hard times” as the meme goes

@nancytestani1470

Жыл бұрын

Yes…

Best bedtime stories ever. Then I listen again with my morning coffee. Thanks!

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

20,000 a day died in Constantinople daily Edw: Ahhhh... today is gonna be good Just kidding, I know what you mean

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Pneumonic version is the most virulent and meant almost certain guaranteed death. Some hypothesise that it was the form responsible for most fatalities even though Bubonic was more common.

@alanpennie

6 ай бұрын

​@@anon_148 I believe the mortality is close to 100%. I remember hearing the story of one guy who survived it.

Loving the deep dive content you've been making lately. Awesome content, makes me want to read all the books you mentioned.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it!

That sun bit dimming was caused by Krakatoa exploding.

As a farmer I look at the almanac to see what baseline to expect in central Nebraska and it has been changing. Talk to the old timers and it is always I’ve never seen weather like this. Makes you wonder how it was for farmers that don’t have this information coped with what must have felt like an apocalypse Great video

@zakkart

Жыл бұрын

Almost as if the climate is changing.

@stevenschnepp576

Жыл бұрын

@@zakkart I didn't really buy climate change until I started gardening and looking at the specific records, trying to predict when to start my seeds.

@jojolafrite90

Жыл бұрын

Old times did see more extreme weather over their life than most people. Obviously.

@skankhunt3624

Жыл бұрын

​@@stevenschnepp576 they weren't trying to sell it to you bud, it's just the facts.

@stevenschnepp576

Жыл бұрын

@@skankhunt3624 People like you are why climate change deniers still exist, you know.

First time I've been this early for one of your videos. Stoked for this one! (comment made before watching, to feed the algorithm)

@alucardodracula

Жыл бұрын

Same!

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it!

@alucardodracula

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome it was a fantastic video, exactly what I needed to unwind

@GregMcNeish

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome I absolutely did enjoy it. The effects of climate (both period changes and acute incidents like volcanic or impact events) on history are such an exciting area for increased research. I've long felt that it's a big missing component in the narratives we tell of the rise and fall of empires.

Thanks for covering this topic

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure

Such an interesting period of time and not really talked about except by fans of history. Always interested in the Plague of Justinian and what exactly it was. Procopius notes sound a lot like what the Genoese witnessed 800 years later with the merchant ghost ships. Thank god for antibiotics. Curious if you would do a video on the Antonine Plague and it’s effect on the empire near the end of its golden age.

@mrbaab5932

Жыл бұрын

The plagues and walls of Justinian and Antonio.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

I have done a video on the Antonine and Cyprianic plagues

@mattstakeontheancients7594

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome fantastic will check them out.

I often bemoan KZread’s algorithm but today the Gods of Content smiled upon me and I found your channel! AWESOME

Brilliant stuff. All the sciences and clarity as well.

As a Anthropologist I have to say .... Good job history dog ... You find those clues and you know ... Thanks for using archaeological data. 🤩💚💛❤️🖖🏿

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great video as always. Thank you. Just an idea but I love that you regularly include books you use as sources and was thinking a tour of your library/overview of good sources for different periods would be really interesting. I'd love to see what you use for these videos and learn new books to read to deepen my understanding of many of these topics.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’m going to do that at some point, I need to get it a bit more organized first though. There’s currently stuff just everywhere

@MeanBeanComedy

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome Impossible. 😆😆😝

you are a very smart guy and thank you for your videos

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

This is becoming the best history channel on KZread - and that is saying something

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Excellent documentary,on this medical/environmental topic

I very rarely comment and nearly never give a sign of approval on youtube historical videos but this is simply a great video: long enough, detailed, multi-faceted and fascinating. Also, thought provoking - not something commonly found in youtube videos.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I’m happy you enjoyed this!

@Stelios.Posantzis

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome I forgot to mention the extensive use of references!

I'm looking forward to reading the two books offered. Up to now, Justinian's Flea for the first pandemic and The Great Mortality, by John Kelly have been my guiding lights. Also Brian Fahey's superb book The Little Ice Age is a fascinating primer for the climatological dynamics of ocean and weather. Amazing studies.

Nice one!

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Marvellous, sweeping summary! Many thanks.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Excellent

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Outstanding content. Provides excellent perspective. With gratitude.

I heard some researchers identify krakatoa as one of the large eruptions around 540, there's evidence of a massive eruption from centuries before the modern one in 1880s. I also saw a video that mentioned illopango in el Salvador having a high 6 low 7 eruption around that time, but I later heard it was a century before in the early 400s so I don't know

@user-cg2tw8pw7j

Жыл бұрын

This smoke did not go to the Middle East, it seems that he loves this region

These videos are excellent. They remind me of a series the BBC did centuries ago which was just AJP Taylor talking to camera. Simple and engrossing and informative. 10/10

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

We're learning about Justinian right now. Perfect timing.

Great episode

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! God you enjoyed !

Fantastic video. Illuminating and also it's a good pointer as to which books to get to read more on this fascinating and scarcely known issue. These visits to lesser known eras or aspects of an era, complete with sources and quoted from authors, are the best way to use thr youtube hour long video format. You are also very good at threading the events and sources in a way that's frankly quite gripping.

The book, Catastrophe, by David Keys, explain the volcanic eruptions that caused global dimming and resulted in a mini ice age. The bubonic plague is just one of hundreds of things that was the aftermath of the eruption.

@nullvid

4 ай бұрын

This is probably the answer. Krakatoa

@lindakilmer2548

4 ай бұрын

@@nullvid I have heard Krakatoa as one of the possibilities. The other one was Laki in Iceland.

Nicely done sir, especially in the aftermath of the past couple of years. Hopefully more will see this and understand what a real plague is.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@ExecutiveChefLance

Жыл бұрын

We didn't Wash our Hands until the 1800's there is a Reason Covid-19 didn't kill more people and that reason is Modern Science and Medicine. We most likely won't ever have a Plague like the Black Death ever again. Well actually I almost guarantee that as we have Anti-Biotics. And Yesinia Pestis not being a common disease it does not gain anti-biotic immunity. Black Death simply will never be a plague ever again. We beat it. The only "plagues" that exist in Modern Times exist because they can change their DNA Code rapidly. HIV and FLU like Viruses like Covid 19. "Understand What A Real Plague Is" Perhaps you should understand Microbiology and Biochemistry a little better.

@kalrandom7387

Жыл бұрын

@@ExecutiveChefLance I sincerely hope you are right. But at the same time you are talking about a organism that has lived on earth alot longer than anything else, if I were a betting man, my money would be on it. The more we sanitize ourself against nature, the weaker we become. And there are superbugs that keep popping up here and there. We love to believe and take comfort in that belief of being the ultimate end-all-be-all, but at the same time we're still primitive. Our own overconfidence, will be our downfall.

A very interesting and useful study, thanks.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you. This seems extensively researched and well summarized.

Props for the mention of the battle of Camlann in correlation with the global environment changes. The Arthurian legend seems like an analogy for the loss of the 'golden times' in the face of famine and upheaval, created by those who hoped to see those same golden times return. 536CE being the lowest point possible.

@sirrathersplendid4825

Жыл бұрын

I can just imagine the environmental protestors of the 540s with their banners and magical orange powders, throwing themselves in front of passing chariots and blocking Watling Street.

Love any video covering the reign of my favorite emperor

Excellent video! 

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Fun to see Lester Little cited, he was my advisor at Smith where I majored in Medieval Studies.

Your videos are PHENOMENAL! Thank you for deep dives on a time period I've only scratched the surface so far. Your other videos on the Gothic and Vandallic people and condition of WRE helped my understanding tons. A historian Jimmy Neutron, crafting a symphony of only the illest facts on illness. The dankest of the 'Dark Ages' (term deemed outdated by most modern historians). I'm going to show off my neckbeard here for a second and say I recently played a mod for Warband, set in the year 457 AD.... it's nice me thinks

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I haven’t played that mod but I’ll have to check it out! I would seriously recommend Harper’s “The Fate of Rome” if you want a deeper dice

@qboxer

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome great book. Fundamentally changed the way I looked at antiquity and history in general

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

@@qboxer yeah, absolutely! I’ve been trying to find one for east Asia but so far no luck

Such an interesting topic here

Thoroughly enjoyed this! Well done

Scientists just discovered that Y. Pestis also can be transmitted to humans through human lice. This lice also loves to hide in cloth and hay that people filled their mattresses with. It can live without food for 7 days. It’s crazy to think that there may be more vectors than just the black rat flea. It has also been found in fleas in rabbits.

Great video, very informative, loved it

Always love the topics your videos cover! Keep it up

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Thank you for giving us your academic background in the Information segment. It helped me decide to listen. I like your approach, too. Best regards!

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

Thank you for a very informative and interesting video

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

great video, thank you!

Incredible work as always

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for all your efforts. You explain things well and truly connect the dots. The videos are well produced with great visuals. I always want more visuals though, but your's are great. If I could afford it I'd be a patron. Thank you

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Really great, comprehensive video. As always, please keep it up. You are amongst the great history channels on KZread.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Very informative and detailed - Thank you!

Very nice assessment of this period.

That was good watchin 😊

Great video!

I had heard that one of the volcanoes was Krakatoa in Indonesia, in fact there was some documentary suggesting that it was the only volcano errupting at the time. They found evidence in the strata, etc. So I was surprised that it didn't even get a mention. I know your research is often far more scholarly than some random documentary though hahaha. Have you read anything about this? Is it just some misinterpretation of the the strata or did they just simply make it up lol? I'm always interested to hear your opinion. Thankyou for another very informative video, as always 😊

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

I'm on the same ship as this guy. I've seen it, volcano erupted to its own destruction yeah?

@chellybub

Жыл бұрын

@@troydodson9641 nah it's still there, that's pretty confirmable, like how in the 1880s it errupted

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

@@chellybub I mean to say in the Documentary I watched. That the volcano erupted so hard it destroyed itself. I already don't know much about volcanos and I won't remember their words well enough to quote them

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

So, Krakatoa isn’t really in the current literature. It used to be, but that was before we had more data derived from the hard sciences. There were a handful of references about some sort of eruption which come from half rotted documents from Java, but it’s not clear when or what exactly they refer to

@tech4pros1

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheFallofRome there is the possibility of more than one large eruption occurring very close to one another (weeks to months apart). A couple of very explosive eruptions that were powerful enough to punch a considerable amount of material up into the more stable layers of the stratosphere occurring within weeks of each other would definitely produce drastic atmospheric changes.

This is excellent and informative. Thank you.

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

Excellent video, great information, and truly love the climate data you showed and covered, thank you.

Very interesting indeed. On thing I would note is that recent research indicates that the human body louse Pediculus humanus and possibly the human flea Pulex irritans were also significant vectors spreading Y pestis Certainly studies of the Black Death indicate that the body louse was very significant as the main vector spreading the contagion. I would suggest that body lice would have also been the main agent spreading the disease in Constantinople.

Thank you! Very interesting. I got hooked on Byzantine history with John Julius Norwich's books and am still a fan.

Fascinating stuff.

Roman history is just crazy. The first two Punic Wars should have dropped Rome to its knees but instead made their hegemony stronger. The Late Republic civil wars (91-31) were even more devastating to the status quo, but the empire not only adapted, in some ways it was just getting started and set up its true peak. The Crisis by every measure should have ended Roman history but once again they endured the worst and rose above, but then the 5th, 6th and 7th centuries each saw sustained decades of strife without a century or more of let up like the previous times, and they seemed to stack on top of one another. Even THAT wasn't quite enough to close the book on their history, and the Macedonian renaissance gave the Romans and Mediterranean trade just enough to carry them into the late medieval period.

I live in eastern Canada's (Quebec) rural areas. I deal with a lot of fields rats (voles). They reproduce at an unreal rates. Extremly hard to deal with. I'm not a farmer but i live in the middle of farmland. Fields rats (voles) carry a lot of diseases and we have to be extremly carefull. Maybe it's hard to understand how rats can become a vector in a pandemic, but i can figure out why. You have see it. Sorry not sorry for my english, i'm french-canadian. Salut et merci.

@JHimminy

Жыл бұрын

We killed off the weasels and stoats and ermines that eat them as fast as they breed!

@themuckler8176

Жыл бұрын

Mink

Justinian: I'm going to change people's lives for the better with my rule! The plague and eruptions: "we don't do that here"

I would absolutely love if you could dive deeper in the technical part of history as a science and speak on the topic of historiography a bit. I think that's an aspect that doesn't get enough attention in the context of historical pop culture and I think you would do an amazing job oh explaining the intricacies and methodology when it comes to reading and understanding primary sources.

I have been following the scientific developments in the historic great plagues of history, but this video is a great addition. When we consider how disruptive the relatively mild COVID pandemic has been (about 1% mortality), it’s just incredible to imagine societies where around 50% of the population died within a few months or years. And yet, it’s happened several times in recorded history alone. It’s probably been happening since humans first started living in large towns and cities. We used to think that was about 4,000 BCE, in Mesopotamia, but of course, the discoveries of sites like Catal Hoyuk and Gobleki Tepe in the last 50 years or so, seem to be pushing the likely beginnings of civilizations farther and farther back in time. (I stick to a strict definition of civilization as meaning “living in cities”, not subjective things like having polite cultures. For example, I once saw an opinion that the “first evidence of civilization” was a healed broken human bone. I disagree with that sort of definition, there’s no reason to think that our hunter/gatherer ancestors didn’t help feed their relatives who with were laid up with injuries, too. The definition of a city by population varies a lot, but I think a minimum of around 500-1,000 people is a good starting point for the earliest ones).

Thanks for another excellent episode and also for the one on Gobekli Tepe are there any plans for an episode on the civilisation that built the megaliths and hypogea in Malta or the mehrgarh civilization?

I saw another doco about this period that caused worldwide famine. Turns out it was the explosion of a super volcano. Krakatoa.

Like 10 years ago, I happened across an historical trade mag [?The Historian/Historian Today] with a piece about the late Roman southern Anatolian [Lydian or Lycian] folk tale of Artus Rex, inc works (round table, sword in stone, Lady in lake, etc). Never been able to confirm so unsure if joke, hoax, or one of those things ignored for vested interests. Anyone ?

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

So, Guy Halsall talks about this briefly in his book “Worlds of Arthur”, the gist is that this “Artorius” lived in the second century, and probably fought Armenians (were not certain on this as the inscription is eroded). There is probably no connection to any sort of historical Arthur outside of a name, and we’re separated by at least three centuries

@davidrogers8030

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFallofRome Thanks, but still mystified as this could be long enough to turn into a strangely detailed legend, and not scholarly enough to know if King "Bear", rather than bear guardian, indicates superficial or intense study. Don't remember all details, couple of pages, but it made a compelling case I don't know what to make of.

Similar things also happened in 13th century if I remember...

@8bitorgy

Жыл бұрын

You remember the 13th century?! You must be really old

@SkyFly19853

Жыл бұрын

@@8bitorgy no wonder why I feel old....

535AD was the year of a massive volcanic eruption in/around Indonesia.. it caused catastrophic weather changes globally.

As a geologist, I would be very interested to know which are the candidate eruptions/volcanoes for this period of volcanic climate disruption. Is Yellowstone a candidate? It’s a super-volcano, but I’m not sure if it erupted during that period.

@AndDiracisHisProphet

Жыл бұрын

i don't think so? i read that it erupts only every few houndred thousand years

@brian7android985

Жыл бұрын

Big rock in air go boom, or something like that.

@brian7android985

Жыл бұрын

Meteorite [that's the word I was looking for] You can see in tree rings that something sudden happened in Europe at that time. I have always thought prob a volcano in the Northern hemisphere, to the West of Europe. But what set the volcano off?

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

The one volcano we can sort of pinpoint to this period is Ilopango in El Salvador, but then again maybe not because some recent work indicates it erupted a few decades prior to the period in question. We used to think it was the 530s but now it’s looking like the 450s. Beyond that we don’t have enough data to say which ones erupted. I’m not certain of Yellowstone, but that one hasn’t surfaced in the literature

Awesome!!!

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

A possible location for the super volcano is in El Salvador. I believe samples of ash taken worldwide match those from this particular volcano.

In my law studies, I only ever knew Justinian through his codification. Until your videos, I finally saw him for what he was. Thank you.

Nice summary of recent findings. I did notice the graphics designer used an icon that depicts the SOUTHERN hemisphere around 11:32 when the narrator speaks of a 🌋 volcano having exploded in 535 CE in the ⬆️ NORTHERN hemisphere.

Nice

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

I wonder if this time period had any influence on the apocalyptic writings of the new testament, particularly revelation, since they were written late and edited often.

So, I’ve actually been looking for a more accurate climate graph, but so far no luck. What we have is derived from Greenland ice cores and tree ring evidence, and is really just generalized to the northern hemisphere. But who knows, maybe in a few years we’ll have a more accurate graph for more regions

@MrAniseable

Жыл бұрын

Which tree? Is there a 1500 years old tree? Or wooden buildings? I don't get it...

...Yersinia Pestis - Laws of Acquisition ... Damned Ferengi !

I recall, in the Peace Corps, reading the book, "Rats, Lice and History." while listening to rodents scampering around in the ceiling above. Who needs Halloween stories when reality can be just as terrifying! This video's consolidation of more recent research relegates the book I read and following revisions to curious antecedents, that gave rise to our current more complete, but equally terrifying, knowledge. History matters, and I hope videos like this increase public interest in, and learning from, it.

Interesting. As far as I ever knew, fleas rapidly multiply in hot, dry weather. That's when I have seen them become overwhelming.

So your next video is about Procopius Secret History?

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Well, it’s on the to-do list

Black death existed before; what makes it, at times, so deadly?

@troydodson9641

Жыл бұрын

You can't ever say it was one specific thing. Similarity I see is interconnectedness. Disease had the pinnacle of a trade network to deal with in these gigantic empires. Mongol's mere landmass presence with the trade network of an increasingly widespread merchant republic, making voyage pitstops for whatever reason. Also consider what was normal then vs now. Want to have fun on a day off? Hang with your friends. Bed time, most people didn't have an individual closed off room. While I think more people can read more than is usually depicted, books aren't everywhere, with other people and parties. People may not know exact details on disease, but know some things about sickness. How does a guy who has the best detailed description of THIS affliction tell a continent? There is way more to it, but those are some of my ideas.

@WagesOfDestruction

Жыл бұрын

@@troydodson9641 Something is different, the disease was always there and suddenly it goes viral, why? I think it has something to do with rats and fleas near humans but these conditions have existed long before ancient Rome

@TheFallofRome

Жыл бұрын

Well, the Roman population was never really healthy, especially by our standards. The most reasonable explanation is that the weather of the 530s seriously devastated the crop yields, and justinians warfare created an environment of constant low level finding conflict, both of which seriously weakened the population of various regions. The sudden appearance of a disease not native to the region just tore through a seriously weakened populace

The plauge was the end of the ancient world. It disrupted medditeranian centric trade which never recovered. Also what vestiges of roman civilization and governance remaining in the west disappeared.

Epic history did a wonderful job for this period but you went into it like a onion nice job as well.

@TheFallofRome

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Thank you very much!

The mystery is why would Yersenia Pestis develop mutations to survive in the lung before mutation to survive in fleas gut. The first mutation would seemingly be useless since bacteria don’t transmit easily through respiratory tract as opposed to viruses which are much smaller and lighter can be easily airborne with cough? Back to original host of the yersenia pestis the rodent, I never seen or heard rodent cough to even make the bacteria become droplets to spread!

I have studied weather since a child. The swing in Temperature of 30 degrees or more from day to night as well as from freezing to 60 is a bit strange. But since weather records only go back for a blink of the eye in time who knows it may be a cycle. I am sure as you go back in time weather was more severe. Also we are subjecting the earth to many frequency's not natural to the planet. Hundreds of millions of watts of it every day for years. The microwave levels are rising all the time with cell towers and radar, let alone thousands of orbital devices.

What happened during the lockdowns is the food waste from human consumption disappeared, this in turn forced the rats to go further for food, with no humans around it was a free for all, then out come the humans again with our waste, but now the rats have established themselves even closer to human populations, with the waste comes a boom in numbers and i have seen so many huge rats all over since lockdowns.

@user-cg2tw8pw7j

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The Middle East used poison and the problem was solved

Thanks you are magnificent

More volcano, Less sun, Less Vitamin D, Less Immunity, More Disease.

There was a very quick reply to Peter Sarris' Journal article by other researchers, who have the established view that the Plague of Justinian wiped out a large proportion of the population of the ancient Near East. It contained some compelling arguments about the limitations of Sarris' methodology. I'm not a historian, only a casual enthusiast, but I recommend trying to find it if you haven't already.

@TheFallofRome

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I actually came across that yesterday, funnily enough. I’m of the mind that it really did wipe out significant portions of the population, but I would also caution that judgment by pointing to a general lack of population statistics. Still, the mass graves are very telling, as is the archaeological decay in the middle of the sixth century

@stooge_mobile

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@@TheFallofRome awesome! Hey I was wondering, did you take inspiration from Military History Visualised for your visual style of presentation? It's a winning formula!

very interesting, thank you. felt like an almost collab with @GeologyHub but you didn't say "caldera"

My big plague question is this: How did the Plague of Athens strike the Athenians but not the Spartans (or their allies?)? Sounds like Olympian scale, weapon grade biowarfare to me. Sorry if I'm vaguely off topic here.

Arturius.

Gotta give it up for the 6th century! 1,500 years ago... that's only about 50-60 generations.