"Apart from Jaitely & Gadkari, No One.." I Inside Modi's Government Meetings I Top Bureaucrat Reveal

Barkha Dutt speaks to Top Bureaucrat Anil Swarup in the 32nd episode of our podcast 'Inside Out with Barkha Dutt'.
Swarup talks about his interaction and 'disagreements' with PM Modi during the meetings, his life as an IAS officer, the 'coal scam', former CAG Vinod Rai, working under the govt of Manmohan Singh, the difference between Mayawati and Kalyan Singh, and much more.
Anil Swarup is an Indian author and retired Indian Administrative Service officer of Uttar Pradesh cadre and 1981 batch. Swarup in his 38 years of career has served in various capacities and later went on to become the Secretary to the Government of India.
He has served in various key positions for both the Union Government and the Government of Uttar Pradesh, like as Education Secretary of India, Coal Secretary of India, Additional Secretary in the Cabinet Secretariat of India, Additional Secretary of Labour & Empowerment, Export Commissioner in the Ministry of Commerce & Industry of India and as the District Magistrate of Lakhimpur Kheri during the Babri Masjid-Ram Janmabhoomi agitation under then chief ministership of Kalyan Singh.
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Chapters-
00:00 Promo
1:02 First meet with PM Modi
7:28 What went wrong after Demonetisation?
10:41 Manmohan Singh not a great leader
13:55 Ministers don’t talk in meetings
15:54 PM made factually incorrect remarks from Red Fort
18:00 Manmohan Singh didn’t take the responsibility in Coal ‘Scam’
20:14 Former CAG Vinod Rai let down entire bureaucracy
24:51 Mayawati Vs Kalyan Singh
30:22 Babri Masjid Demolition
33:10 How Jayanthi Natrajan was sacked
36:46 Toughest phase as a bureaucrat
37:19 Anil Swarup on Education Mafia
42:07 Swarup on Judiciary and Election Commission
48:06 Use of Photocopy Machine
48:33 ‘Bharat Ratna moment’ of Swarup
51:09 Credits
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  • @nirmal9542
    @nirmal95425 ай бұрын

    These interviews make ous trust in modi and yogi . It's great to hear good things about kalyan singh

  • @rakhimukerji7937

    @rakhimukerji7937

    3 ай бұрын

    Women's position in UP is bad.

  • @roman5782

    @roman5782

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@rakhimukerji7937Says a bangalan

  • @yourstrulytk12worldaffairs

    @yourstrulytk12worldaffairs

    Ай бұрын

    @@rakhimukerji7937 unfortunately yes. but not just in UP... whole country. we are improving but too slow...

  • @soodabhi

    @soodabhi

    16 күн бұрын

    what about the destruction of Supreme Court and Election Commission ? Coal auction- i agree wit you but then see how how telecom auction is being bypassed

  • @maheshpant518
    @maheshpant5185 ай бұрын

    1. I am also a retired senior officer of Central Government. 2. I am so happy to listen to this conversation. Mr. Anil Swaroop is absolutely right, honest, and bold. 3. I admire his understanding of government working. "Develop Systems" Use technology to make systems independent of persons. Systems are secular. egalitarian, and just. They help create good vibes all around apart from the direct advantage on the particular system. 4. I agree with him on the independence of institutions. Such voice of conscience is welcome. 5. Ministries need a lot of expertise which they must get from experts developed outside the government System. Should only IAS officers selected through the present system occupy the top positions of government? I have serious doubts on it. Present system does not ensure only men of competence and integrity reach the top level. 6. Thanks for sharing the "Bharat Ratn" moment. Let every officer long for such achievement. 7. Thanks Barkha for the valuable interview. Please reach my comments to Mr. Swaroop.

  • @papunkansabanik2490

    @papunkansabanik2490

    5 ай бұрын

    Very well summed up Sir.

  • @milindketkar9059

    @milindketkar9059

    5 ай бұрын

    Perfect

  • @hindustani323

    @hindustani323

    4 ай бұрын

    Dear sir this developing system is concept of PM modi who did in Gujrat as CM.I am sorry to ask you and Mr Swarup a question... Why didnt you a or Anil Swarup broughtbsystems when you were in postions & he was in UP? He had ben DM of Lucknow.Had he brought systems people didn't have to pay bribes or dallali to get driving license (even today)...Its people like you who have lead us down...when you all had to build systems you shied away dues to personal reasons and lavk of integrity towards this nation... Mr Anil Swarup built the system because he was told to by the leadership.He did creat it..If it was his bureaucrat predecessors & he would have created so many a systems before coal auction system.... Only weak people talk like that....

  • @kkrishn11

    @kkrishn11

    3 ай бұрын

    L

  • @gowrivellasamy9625

    @gowrivellasamy9625

    Ай бұрын

    Ya mr swaroop, so pappu talks with facts? He sleeps with the enemy of Bharat, it is fact which you are not sharing? Once a upon a time, congress said digitalisation xant be done especially rural India. Today most rural India people has a bank account and knows how to pay via digital. Who is smiling now? Is is easier to condemn but many who can condemn do not know how to get it done. During covid, bjp managed to contain and help build the vaksin, on top of that helped other countries. Even the great west n USA was struggling n refuse to help helpless countries, who was the one who came to the rescue? Think before you open your mouth

  • @amitbrahmo
    @amitbrahmo3 ай бұрын

    Anil was an absolute delight to listen to! Very articulate, frank and convincing in whatever he said. Very objective in his assessment of Manmohan Singh and Modi. His one expression- set up good systems instead of catching a few bureaucrats for an alleged scam, is an absolute gem! It's true If even administrative decision making without a guilty or criminal intent, is shown as a criminal action, then obviously decision making will suffer. We served as bureaucrats for nearly thirty forty years and a few decisions could very well have been wrong ( in hindsight). Doesn't mean we have to be treated as criminals. Looking forward to reading his book. Well done Barkha and kudos Anil.

  • @nagarajansundaramofficial
    @nagarajansundaramofficial6 ай бұрын

    Nice interview. His experience with Kalyan Singh and his adoration for him worth cherishing. Finally his Bharatratna moment was really heart touching. May his tribe increase. Bharkha Dutt too, do some good things occasionally !!! Thanks Bharkha Sister. Hats off to Mr. Anil Swarup

  • @India-bw5uh

    @India-bw5uh

    6 ай бұрын

    Hijda burkha wali

  • @vikasnarayanan6711
    @vikasnarayanan67116 ай бұрын

    bureaucrats and judges are never responsible for anything in India. They should be held accountable. There is a huge lobby.

  • @markjitu

    @markjitu

    6 ай бұрын

    they should be held responsible ,but by whom ?

  • @banjo4us1

    @banjo4us1

    6 ай бұрын

    @@markjitu By the dictum of their appointment. The mandate should change. Most bureaucrat in India are thugs and do not have noble intentions. However I am not saying that everyone is engaged in wrong doing

  • @markjitu

    @markjitu

    6 ай бұрын

    @@banjo4us1 but who will held them responsible is a question ?

  • @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    5 ай бұрын

    This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha

  • @SantoshKumarsp57

    @SantoshKumarsp57

    5 ай бұрын

    Don't know about judges. The actual people who run the country are executive class. Politicians come and go.

  • @MsAuckland
    @MsAuckland5 ай бұрын

    Anil ji a man with clear mind and thought. India needs this kind of legend.

  • @viraj1205
    @viraj12055 ай бұрын

    Thank God interview still continued with Anil Swaroopji even after he calls PM Narendra Modi is great leader and Ex PM Manmohan Singh is great person.😊😊😊

  • @manojsatapathy4122

    @manojsatapathy4122

    5 ай бұрын

    Bal... Burkha has learnt this art very painfully...As it is Anil ji calls a spade a spade and praises the worthy.... No doubt....❤

  • @Liberty55555

    @Liberty55555

    5 ай бұрын

    No He called modi is not leader. because modi dont give credit . listen carefully. thank god he is alive.

  • @Liberty55555

    @Liberty55555

    5 ай бұрын

    @@manojsatapathy4122 yes she dont like Moti

  • @DriveDawn

    @DriveDawn

    5 ай бұрын

    He is a great politician.. not a great leader. Great Leaders don't ignore burning issues like Manipur or Farmer Protests.

  • @viraj1205

    @viraj1205

    5 ай бұрын

    @@DriveDawn You may have your opinion but country is witnessing change in every sector.

  • @naveenarora
    @naveenarora5 ай бұрын

    Madam Dutt: This is the most neutral and intellectual interview that I have seen being conducted by you. It showcases your talent as a journalist. I have never admired your type of biased journalism. But, in this case, keep it going. Respect for Mr. Swaroop.

  • @Nibha28
    @Nibha285 ай бұрын

    Outstanding conversation. Mr Swaroop is most inspiring civil servant. I am definitely going to read his book. Thanks Barkha.

  • @shashikalapawar2420
    @shashikalapawar24205 ай бұрын

    Very very proud of you Mr. Anil Swaroopji. May your tribe increase multifold. We need people like you.

  • @budhadevmoitra3669
    @budhadevmoitra366910 күн бұрын

    I salute Anil Swaroop sir. I was in a mid sized CPSU. I had few wrong and misleading ideas about how bureaucracy works at the top level. Coal scam,in particular. Excellent Barkhaji, as usual 👍 wonderful.

  • @arunyton
    @arunyton5 ай бұрын

    15:05 - you cannot have something in between, esp in a huge country like India where communication from the top leadership cannot be confusing or indecisive. So PM Modi is doing the right things to ensure development is delivered in the country in the most efficient manner and also delivered fast.

  • @mahavirbisht9330
    @mahavirbisht93305 ай бұрын

    One of the best interviews i have ever seen...India needs more civil servants like Mr. Anil Swaroop 😊

  • @chillpillrohit
    @chillpillrohit6 ай бұрын

    After a long long time, I'm watching a candid interview which is factual, logical, devoid of politics & sycophancy, important for our nation and much needed at the eve of our grand finale (2024 elections). Wish we had many more up standing bureaucrats likes him 🙌

  • @backreedlib

    @backreedlib

    5 ай бұрын

    You think Anil Swarup is not a Modi sycophant?

  • @papunkansabanik2490

    @papunkansabanik2490

    5 ай бұрын

    @@backreedlib I suppose he spoke what he thought the ordinary Indian citizen should know about the ruling BJP leaders and the erstwhile UPA leaders. His views I assume is not influenced by sycophancy.

  • @shaktishivanand624

    @shaktishivanand624

    5 ай бұрын

    I agree with you. ❤

  • @maitreekrishnatreya8798

    @maitreekrishnatreya8798

    5 ай бұрын

    Agree

  • @tommythomsen2507

    @tommythomsen2507

    4 ай бұрын

    Abhi bas bhakt bureaucrats

  • @surendranathpavuluri
    @surendranathpavuluri6 ай бұрын

    I am impressed with Mr. Anil Swaroop and his candid, honest disclosures.

  • @hindustani323

    @hindustani323

    4 ай бұрын

    Need for you all to travel widely & treval deep inside the people & systems..You will abuse the same bureaucrats days & night. Had they all beentruthful & honest,this nation would have achieved within 30-40 years of independence.See nations like Israel,China n so many who ghot freedom much after us & where they are.Hsve you seen any bureaucrat today living a single n normal life? All their lives not only they live off the land,save their salaries & invest it but also most of yhem mske big money through many means.Go and ask aanny lower bureaucrat about their realities.Sont go by what they speak.They think something,speakk something & do skmething. MrvAnil Swarup served for max time in UP.Why UP is what when wea their.With his via sion,honesty,talent and like wise with all ISS,IPS the state should have been one of the richest in the world....see where it is....Had present CM not been their,most of the empty land would have been occupied by mafia.All this had been happening since time immemorial.All that was because of loud mouths like him existing since independence.TWitjout abny accountability they get best of facilities,houses,luxuries and above all future securities in terms of money... Don't you see that kids,wives enjoy the perks they are not entited,don't you know that the problems we face everyday like dalai to be paid for licenses, admissions etc we have to pay would have been fixed decades back had they been honest and committed? Dont you think all this rapes,kidnaps, won't have happened if these pwople did the job even with 50% honesty? I am sure you have not gone so deep to see the ground situation.Had it been so,you wont have been impressed so early.

  • @shasheebvij
    @shasheebvij5 ай бұрын

    Hats off to Mr. Anil. Wow....Great BD for bringing in Anil ji....The lesser known people in our Indian eco system

  • @lovesharma4883
    @lovesharma48835 ай бұрын

    The "Bharat Ratna moment story" at the last brought tears to my eyes. ❤

  • @IndranilBiswas_
    @IndranilBiswas_5 ай бұрын

    What a great conversation! Anil ji should hold a masterclass session on professionalism, management and integrity. I am sure such a session would help many of us.

  • @mohammadbelgami3082
    @mohammadbelgami30825 ай бұрын

    Remarkable clarity from Mr. Swarup. What an intellectual you are and kudos to you for your brave opinions on several issues. You are truly an outstanding bureaucrat. All the best

  • @MrHimanshuPal
    @MrHimanshuPal3 ай бұрын

    Really enjoyed watching this interview. Thank you Mr Swarup for your contributions to the country

  • @va8085
    @va80856 ай бұрын

    Everyone who has met Modi compliments him for being a patient listener & one who dedicates time for good ideas. Glad to have a leadership like him 🇮🇳

  • @nemlhouvum7351

    @nemlhouvum7351

    6 ай бұрын

    May be a good listener but ideas not taken. He is also a frequent lier

  • @arbitram

    @arbitram

    5 ай бұрын

    He is a liar is what this guy is saying you don't understand??

  • @mohitforimprovement

    @mohitforimprovement

    5 ай бұрын

    @@arbitramCan you give an example of a lie that has impacted our country as much as congress’s herald Case scam?

  • @ishanabhavsar

    @ishanabhavsar

    5 ай бұрын

    Modi ❤

  • @rishabhverma2675
    @rishabhverma26755 ай бұрын

    ThankYou BarkhaDutt ma'am. ThankYou Anil sir for this interview and book. IAS officers like you are so important for our nation. Excited for ur book

  • @gautamnatrajan1990
    @gautamnatrajan19903 ай бұрын

    Thanks for another great interview. This is very insightful.

  • @RS-vu5um
    @RS-vu5um3 ай бұрын

    Great Interview. Every Indian should watch it. Kudos to Mr. Swarup. Hope we have more officers like him. I was very much moved when he talked about the proudest moment in his career wrt Health insurance.

  • @sunilkorde3077
    @sunilkorde30775 ай бұрын

    Great...!!❤ Very upfront, candid and Frank. We must have many more in system..

  • @suhridghosh5852
    @suhridghosh58525 ай бұрын

    Wonderful interview. Actually i admire Shri Anil Swaroop Sir. He was Secretary Coal when i was working at Central Coalfields Ltd, he delivered a speech at our Ranchi HQ. He gave brief speech, it was so beautiful and inspiring. I just admire him.

  • @umakantamishra9023
    @umakantamishra90236 ай бұрын

    For the first time pressing on like button for Barkha’s show 😊

  • @bunnuram

    @bunnuram

    3 ай бұрын

    I like Barkha 2.0 much better than Barkha 1.0 as the interviewee is at the Centre of conversation and the questions are intelligent and not loaded in a particular direction.❤

  • @user-zb9or4qc2z
    @user-zb9or4qc2z5 ай бұрын

    Amazing interview. Actually gives an inside view into the corridors of power. Mr. Swaroop actually gives some info that would otherwise never be available to the common citizens. Keep up the good work Barkha.

  • @SanjeevVerma-cb1vd
    @SanjeevVerma-cb1vd6 ай бұрын

    Great conversation. Eminence respect to Mr. Anil Swarup. India needs such bureaucrats!!!

  • @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    5 ай бұрын

    This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha

  • @parwezshahid50
    @parwezshahid506 ай бұрын

    Wonderful story indeed.He is extraordinary and distinguished IAS officer.

  • @bunnuram
    @bunnuram3 ай бұрын

    Sir, an intelligent,illuminating, articulate,honest,respectful and engaging conversation of a career bureaucrat. Thank you for giving us a peep into how the Indian government machinery works.

  • @krishveena
    @krishveena5 ай бұрын

    Mr Swarup comes through as a very honest and upright person. That he has survived being so is a testimony to the belief that if you want, you can indeed be true to yourself in any setting. The fact that he is able to do that in an interview with Barkha Dutt speaks volumes for his courage of conviction. Well done, Mr Swarup. Need more people like you.

  • @nithin909
    @nithin9096 ай бұрын

    We can sence that the devil 👿 is trying hard to make him talk negatively about Modi...

  • @rakhimukerji7937

    @rakhimukerji7937

    3 ай бұрын

    Nithin900 paranoia?

  • @remesanvp

    @remesanvp

    9 күн бұрын

    Exactly, you said it.

  • @pubgaf3356

    @pubgaf3356

    Күн бұрын

    Lol, exactly 🤣🤣

  • @beaconlight2016
    @beaconlight20166 ай бұрын

    The story of KALYAN SINGH JI was really impressive.🙏

  • @tstanmoysamanta
    @tstanmoysamantaАй бұрын

    this gives me hope about Modi & Yogi's leadership.

  • @ManishKumar-zj5wq
    @ManishKumar-zj5wq3 ай бұрын

    It was nice listening to an honest civil servant. Thanks.

  • @chandruchristuraj6099
    @chandruchristuraj60995 ай бұрын

    great Interview ,, we need officers like him..the last discussion is quite impressing

  • @sitachowkulkar7324
    @sitachowkulkar73245 ай бұрын

    I am glad I watched this interview.very impressive. Hats off to Mr.Swaroop for his honesty

  • @colfasih1able
    @colfasih1able5 ай бұрын

    What a rockstar of an officer. It was a treat to listen to him & draw safe conclusions that if the bureaucrat wants, the bureaucracy can work!

  • @rpsingh16
    @rpsingh165 ай бұрын

    Super, India needs many such courageous, confident and committed officers who can stand up and speak for TRUTH and challenge Falsehood, an IAS does not have much to loose so they are in best position to protect for India's interest, glad to know there are officers like Mr. Anil Swaroop in India

  • @yajatsen2657
    @yajatsen26576 ай бұрын

    GREAT CONVERSATION. WHAT A GREAT AND HONOURABLE MAN MR ANIL IS. THATS THE TYPE OF BUREAUCRATS WE NEED FOR THIS NATION TO PROGRESS, UNFORTUNATELY VERY FEW OFFICERS ARE LEFT TODAY LIKE HIM. I WILL DEFINITELY READ HIS BOOK.

  • @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    5 ай бұрын

    This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha

  • @108gi5
    @108gi55 ай бұрын

    An honest, highly articulate and learned civil servant. We need more content with such people. Well done Barkha. Good interview

  • @poonamshivdasani4320

    @poonamshivdasani4320

    5 ай бұрын

    CIBIL servant bring diplomatic

  • @RatanKumar-ql9xx
    @RatanKumar-ql9xx5 ай бұрын

    One of the best interview that I have seen in a for a long time , Thanks Barkha man and Anil sir

  • @papunkansabanik2490
    @papunkansabanik24905 ай бұрын

    Listening to Anil Swaroop speak candidly about the shades of various assignments, colleagues, political masters, gets me to deeply appreciate his quality and character. Great Bureaucrat he is. Hats off to him.

  • @kiranraavi4240
    @kiranraavi42405 ай бұрын

    I heard one speech by Mr. Anil Swarup, and that inspired me to continue my preparation for UPSC though I had given up seeing the lack of independence of sincere officers today.

  • @saradaramsatyavada4943
    @saradaramsatyavada49435 ай бұрын

    Very informative! More civil servants should come forward to point out the weaknesses of Government!!!

  • @bhadra008
    @bhadra0083 ай бұрын

    Amazing Sir 🙏🙏🙏 wowww. Thx Barkha Dutt for an excellent interview. Just asked enough and listened. Rare nowadays.

  • @vikyathebbar3199
    @vikyathebbar31995 ай бұрын

    As usual Barkha is an expert in interviewing people who are not pro Modi and puts prompting questions to such people

  • @Kseraseera

    @Kseraseera

    5 ай бұрын

    She is a silent supporter

  • @nspihu

    @nspihu

    5 ай бұрын

    Well this interview actually shows how good the PM actually is...

  • @mohan7642

    @mohan7642

    4 ай бұрын

    Barkha is modi critic. She is anti national

  • @pankshas001
    @pankshas0015 ай бұрын

    Amazing and mind blowing conversation. Too good. Too Positive and Neutral. We did not want to hear some one who keeps talking about how good Modi is but rather a person who can give honest feedback. Superb.

  • @RajendraDadheech
    @RajendraDadheech5 ай бұрын

    May nd blowing interview . Thanks to both Barkha and Mr Swaroop

  • @dkbhattlaw
    @dkbhattlaw5 ай бұрын

    Very informative, candid and at times touching episode!! Governance in the midst of innumerable pulls and pressures is indeed a very complex job. Anil ji has beautifully uncovered many hidden aspects thereof with his flawless narration of few instances.

  • @14madwho
    @14madwho4 ай бұрын

    Just Brilliant and simple. Very very clear interview Anilji. A candid and simple interview focused on facts not opinions. It is a testament to your integrity of your bureaucracy. Major respect. And certainly buying your book.

  • @vijayshah5483
    @vijayshah54835 ай бұрын

    Punch line of this interview is Narendra Modi is motivator

  • @thippannam.s.jamadagni7447
    @thippannam.s.jamadagni74475 ай бұрын

    Oneof the best and candid interview of a honest beaurocrrate.😊😊

  • @anand1311
    @anand13113 ай бұрын

    What brilliant interview this was!! Got to understand many things! Thanks to both of you!❤

  • @nocontexx
    @nocontexx4 ай бұрын

    amazing interview very very important one everyone should watch this

  • @mohanbhavnani3681
    @mohanbhavnani36815 ай бұрын

    Loved listening to the conversation between you and Anil Swarup, feeling very enlightened, educated, as i am such a big political animal. I will see this interview at least a couple of times more to check if i have missed anything. Mr Anil is so soft spoken, indeed a pleasure to hear him Barkha, i am an avid watcher of your channel. All the best... Thank you.

  • @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    5 ай бұрын

    This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha

  • @breathlessMay
    @breathlessMay5 ай бұрын

    This is what a great and fulfilling interview feels like. There is something magical about listening to directness, logic, reason,....

  • @siddharthramtekkar1153
    @siddharthramtekkar1153Ай бұрын

    We are fortunate enough to have people like Anil Swarup Sir who had played a major role in ones life. A supreme example of how you must do your work with ethics and need not be bothered about any foul power. You are a true inspiration Sir. Thank you for your services !! The story to sum up the interview was heart touching.

  • @arjanmakhijani637
    @arjanmakhijani637Ай бұрын

    Kudos to Sir Anil Swaroop ji The likes of who are stiill there Such honest candid neutral outspoken intellectuals are needed to train our blossoming Indians

  • @arjanmakhijani637

    @arjanmakhijani637

    Ай бұрын

    A true Bharat Ratna 🎉

  • @maheshbabbar07
    @maheshbabbar075 ай бұрын

    The best podcast I saw recently. More such interviews should be done with officials

  • @shauryamalik8473
    @shauryamalik84735 ай бұрын

    What a great interview, what great insights, mazaa aa gya, kudos mojo story and our dearest, best and brightest barkha dutt.

  • @weekendkidskitchen7036
    @weekendkidskitchen70363 ай бұрын

    Such a wonderful insight and well explained scenarios without being biased.. country is so proud of such bureaucrats.

  • @ThePratigyan
    @ThePratigyan3 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview

  • @karma_aum
    @karma_aum5 ай бұрын

    Good informative interview ... please put Mr.Anil Swaroop's name in the TITLE ... not just "Top Bureaucrat" ... he deserves some respect 🙏

  • @manojsjoshi

    @manojsjoshi

    5 ай бұрын

    Totally agree

  • @RajKumar-yg1nz

    @RajKumar-yg1nz

    5 ай бұрын

    ​yes Mr Anil Swaroop's name should be given prominence, otherwise he will be clubbed with the normal run of the mill beuracrats

  • @narenyen

    @narenyen

    5 ай бұрын

    I feel that the top bureaucrat is more appropriate because prima facie, the name did not ring any bell for me.

  • @AIBOKAJ
    @AIBOKAJ5 ай бұрын

    Loved the discussion .... Keep it up with the Podcast. Mr. Swarup's honest and candid verbalisation is simply appealing.

  • @rabisahoopuri
    @rabisahoopuri5 ай бұрын

    great conversation, hope and expect from all Indians officers should be like him. God Bless him.

  • @sulekhagopinath145
    @sulekhagopinath1455 ай бұрын

    Thanks a lot Polina. Quite excited about starting these exercises!❤

  • @sanjaytibrewal8519
    @sanjaytibrewal85195 ай бұрын

    Brilliant Guy. Thanks for speaking your mind. Great interview Barkhaji

  • @vijshanker
    @vijshanker5 ай бұрын

    Very rightly said, Manmohan Singh's govt. and Narendra Modi's govt. are two opposite extremes. We need the qualities of both the govt. We need a leader who would allow us to speak our minds as in Manmohan Singh's govt. and the decisiveness of Narendra Modi's govt.

  • @anu3971

    @anu3971

    3 ай бұрын

    bureaucrats are smooth talkers and always expert in hiding which go against them.PM have to take responsibilities for scams but bureaucrats are untouchable in eyes of law mockery of Indian justice system.

  • @ManCan1203
    @ManCan12035 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview. Honest. Succinct. Even emotive. Thanks.

  • @sunilshegdeable
    @sunilshegdeable26 күн бұрын

    Barkha, thanks for this 🙏. Bring more of these. This is enlightenment.

  • @sardarsourav
    @sardarsourav5 ай бұрын

    Loved the interview. Made me believe even more that the Government's work is God's work.

  • @var309
    @var3094 ай бұрын

    Nation is in good hands if we have people like this still around. What an amazing officer and leader.

  • @mackingsangma2136
    @mackingsangma21366 ай бұрын

    This interview is a very challenging thank you ma'am

  • @Brahman-ology
    @Brahman-ology5 ай бұрын

    Reputed and accomplished IAS with te attitude of a leader who thinks and speaks like an entrepreneur We need politicians with such characteristics everywhere

  • @lavin7513
    @lavin75136 ай бұрын

    She is trying so hard for him to say bad about Modi🎉

  • @victormike3154

    @victormike3154

    6 ай бұрын

    Absolutely

  • @pranaln

    @pranaln

    5 ай бұрын

    SPOT ON ! She forgot who she is dealing with :)

  • @dangmeipunshi
    @dangmeipunshi5 ай бұрын

    I had a chance to listen to him when he was the Coal Secretary.. really never forgot his charismatic personality from than… Great minds…

  • @jyotsnendrasingh5674
    @jyotsnendrasingh56742 ай бұрын

    My salute to Mr Anil Swarup

  • @subhashnigam4940
    @subhashnigam49405 ай бұрын

    It was a very fascinating interview. Thankyou Barkha ji and respected Anil Swaroop ji. The interview made me enlightened about the working in the government. Please do more such impartial interviews in near future. I feel very happy about coming to know the works of Mr Swaroop. That inspires me.

  • @varunfedele2529
    @varunfedele25296 ай бұрын

    The Burkha lady, I would never appreciate her for what she did during mumbai blasts

  • @sujithkumar2041

    @sujithkumar2041

    6 ай бұрын

    What happened, did she set off the blast?

  • @agnescraig2912

    @agnescraig2912

    6 ай бұрын

    Hahaha good reply!! Well done

  • @D__Ujjwal

    @D__Ujjwal

    4 ай бұрын

    @@sujithkumar2041sh literally helped erorist during 26/11 by providing the ground reports of what our commandos were planning

  • @umaduttbhargava7762
    @umaduttbhargava77626 ай бұрын

    A wonderful interaction. Kudos to Mr Anil Swaroop for the candid narration of his experiences and views.

  • @princekumar4168

    @princekumar4168

    4 ай бұрын

    It's Anil Swarup

  • @umaduttbhargava7762

    @umaduttbhargava7762

    4 ай бұрын

    @@princekumar4168 I stand corrected. Thanks

  • @siddharthwankhede31
    @siddharthwankhede315 ай бұрын

    Amazing interview ! Proud to know that good folks are doing their deeds for betterment of beloved country

  • @sklpat
    @sklpat2 ай бұрын

    An excellent interview with an honest ex-bureaucrat which gives us considerable insight into the way things are being done at high places. Thank you 👍

  • @divakarannair652
    @divakarannair6525 ай бұрын

    When Manmohan Singh was Finance Minister and did wonderful job, he had a capable PM in Narasimha Rao who solidly stood by Singh and covered him in Parliament when others went after Singh.

  • @tejaskhanwalkar21

    @tejaskhanwalkar21

    5 ай бұрын

    True.

  • @ravisingh2144

    @ravisingh2144

    5 ай бұрын

    Manmohan was the one who made us bankrupt. The financial policy was forced by the IMF for the aid. He was the reason we were in the mess.

  • @saythemosthumanofthings3243

    @saythemosthumanofthings3243

    5 ай бұрын

    None of this is true.

  • @ssam3826

    @ssam3826

    3 ай бұрын

    Sonia Gandhi too protected him when he was PM. Why not mention that?

  • @riderchallenge4250

    @riderchallenge4250

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ssam3826 protected lol more like used him

  • @sathyanarayanan9997
    @sathyanarayanan99976 ай бұрын

    Very good interview; wonder really how Anil Swarup managed to be in government service for so long and under so many government!

  • @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    5 ай бұрын

    This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha

  • @gautamgangulyguwahati9717
    @gautamgangulyguwahati97173 ай бұрын

    Anil Swaroop is an incisive, judicious, courageous and bold gentleman and an outstanding officer ,once .

  • @sanjanalaha
    @sanjanalaha4 ай бұрын

    Enjoyed this conversation ! Would like to see more such civil servants being interviewed.

  • @PC_CP
    @PC_CP5 ай бұрын

    For the first time I am appreciating you Barkha. Return to the fair world and leave the treacherous past behind!

  • @bharatdesai6197
    @bharatdesai61975 ай бұрын

    PM Modi shows his leadership abilities by singling out Mr Swaroop in Secretary meetings. This what makes him a successful leader who can deliver in 10 years which Congress could not in 60 years.

  • @tapschaudhuri

    @tapschaudhuri

    5 ай бұрын

    Classic comment. 👍💯

  • @anjutolia3943
    @anjutolia39433 ай бұрын

    India needs civil servants like Anil swroop. Hat's of him

  • @rahulr9132
    @rahulr91324 ай бұрын

    Commendable interview. Amazing Person he is.

  • @pushpindersingh1819
    @pushpindersingh18195 ай бұрын

    What happened after the coal mines were auctioned? Were the mines used for supplying coals to power plants? Then why are power plants importing coal from Indonesia and Australia through Adani and paying 2 times the price? What is Mr. Anil Swaroop's solution now?

  • @Vishwajeetvpsingh
    @Vishwajeetvpsingh6 ай бұрын

    Nice interview, it is good to listen people who were part of the system.

  • @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    @user-cv7jg8dl9d

    5 ай бұрын

    This babu was earlier busy being a 7 janpath doormat and was a former coal secretary. Recently there have been a lot of IAS secretaries who have gone to jail including that IAS Pooja Singhal, Sammer Vishnoi, HC Gupta Kropha and others. Quite a few of them have been found with wealth upwards of 100 crore. . It seems this erstwhile 7 janpath doormat has been trying to ensure that the CBI/ED does not knock on his doors and he ends up behind the bars. And so is sucking up to the current regime. The state of UP has anyways seen many honest singhams bite the dust when this regime changed. Further the fact that he had stable tenures in a corrupt and rotten state like UP tells me he was privy to all that else he wouldnt have survived. Just look at the plight of a really honest officer like Ashok Khemkha

  • @Abskuran
    @Abskuran5 ай бұрын

    An excellent interview Hats off Barkha and Anil

  • @MrJsganguli
    @MrJsganguli2 ай бұрын

    amazing interview. Kudos to Barkha for bringing out he best out of this guest.

  • @surendramohanashok4375
    @surendramohanashok43756 ай бұрын

    I have seen the PM talking cheerfully with farmers,weavers, labourers,masons,school children and students yet never lose his calm.

  • @Ravanandashaheadan

    @Ravanandashaheadan

    6 ай бұрын

    Why should he loose calm when talking to farmers, students etc? 🤔

  • @ArjunRadhakrishnan-wu3tj
    @ArjunRadhakrishnan-wu3tj6 ай бұрын

    Good point. Build systems to stop corruption.

  • @sauravjaiswal2204

    @sauravjaiswal2204

    5 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Female Govinda Govinda

  • @riddhoghosh4079
    @riddhoghosh40795 ай бұрын

    Amazing! Massive props to Mr. Swaroop for such a candid interview.

  • @shivaparmar9306
    @shivaparmar93063 ай бұрын

    We need more officers like this

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