I am protestant but I was moved by Brad Wilcox. He is filled with love and compassion and it is inspiring. Thank you!

@brittonrunolfson

3 жыл бұрын

He really is. I've met him on a couple of occasions over the past few years, at various events, and he is just like this in person. A heart of pure gold.

@noskalborg723

3 жыл бұрын

His talks are better than this in a lot of respects. I wish that there was a video like this one but with some apostles talking to some other Christians.

@andevious4743

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. I'm a Latter-day Saint, I was grateful for how civil and kind Steven Crane was. There are so many debates and videos online where someone just tears down another church. I'm so glad there is a discussion online that's helping to build bridges.

@mikkifrompreston4396

2 жыл бұрын

LDS apostles or prophets will never join a conversation like this

@uncatila

2 жыл бұрын

Mormons use the King James Bible and reject the same 7 books.

We need about a million more conversations like this! All believers should be allies in the war against evil. The Lord is coming. Let us all prepare the way for him together in peace and love and unity.

@skylerreddy5436

Жыл бұрын

Love your comment. We are believers and I love my brothers and sisters regardless of their religion. I’m lds and that doesn’t mean I am better than anyone else, actually it gives me motivation to help and love humanity.

@bardycopeland6295

9 ай бұрын

I love this comment. Even thought we may have very different views and ideas, at the end of the day we all believe in Jesus!

@commoncents5191

8 ай бұрын

This sounds like a discussion of math. “We believe in algebra and you believe in calculus.” Calculus is blasphemous! 😂

@christianerwin3964

6 ай бұрын

Yes!!!

@ericnelson9100

Ай бұрын

All you brain dead idiots need professional help

I have such great respect for these two gentlemen to sit together and discuss such a deep and personal message with each other. No matter what religion we are we ALL need to lock arms and stand together to fight the evils of the world. Just as they said the world see evil as good, and good as evil. We need to stand together, love God and Jesus together, and love one another, and we will triumph over the adversary. Amen, in the name of Jesus Christ amen, and all the inbetween hallelujahs!!

@1exlds90

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly trading the truth for lies and leading people to a false gospel is very sad

@mollysatinado2319

4 жыл бұрын

@@1exlds90 Which gospel are you refering is false? And how is leading a person to worship God and Jesus sad? Do you think God will punish you if you didn't know or believe the exact true gospel here on Earth? The God I worship doesn't punish for loving him and trying to follow Jesus - no matter what religion you belong too.

@14149bb

4 жыл бұрын

The day will come when you do not know the secret handshake and you will be cast out

@latter-daysaintchristian4134

3 жыл бұрын

@@1exlds90 lol, you will.

@noskalborg723

2 жыл бұрын

yes, and we should call "Christians" all who claim to worship Christ AND try to obey his commandments. why? Matthew 18: 23-35 I am very sorrowful when a fellow Christian calls us Latter-day Saints "anti-christ".

This is the most forthright and respectful and loving conversation between a member of the LDS faith and a Christian that I have ever seen. Neither side tried to avoid questions or mince words but they were so kind and earnestly seeking to better understand one another. I pray more people take notes on this event and how they did it.

Wow!! What a wonderful dialogue!! In peace & love they both shared their faith! I hope more conversations like this can take place! 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍

This was such a great conversation. It reminded me of what President Hinckley said once, "To people everywhere, we simply say, "You bring with you all the good that you have and let us add to it. That is the principle on which we work."

@robi1885

2 жыл бұрын

Such a wrong statement, the Mormons are making the same mistakes the Catholics did There traditions and opinions now cloud the truth The arrogance in the statement too, you bring what you have and we will add Such pride

@recalltolife3478

Жыл бұрын

There is none good, no not one.

@lindamartinez7006

Жыл бұрын

Good teachings correct teachings not false 666 teachings

@JonnyUtah777

6 ай бұрын

Mormons don’t believe in the biblical Christ as hinkley also stated when In Sweden.

@NauvooExpositor

6 ай бұрын

Well except you’re not adding anything to us, but thanks for the thought

Brother Wilcox. I have learned so much from listening to you and I’ve been a member all my 52 years. Thank you for speaking so plainly and also working so hard to highlight how we are the same. Outstanding missionary experience.

@uncatila

2 жыл бұрын

Im the president but im also a member.

@Mctwist42

Жыл бұрын

If you caught it, we are not the same. Mr. Wilcox would love to defend that position that we are not. God, Jesus, sin, resurrection, Holy Spirit, and many other points they disagreed on.

I appreciate the calm and collected conversation. I grew up in Utah and never have the faith explain like this. I'm still not LDS but I have understanding of those around me

@jonathanhill2948

2 жыл бұрын

You can get 2 young men or women to lay out more of the pieces of the picture. It will make much more sense when you get a fuller, complete picture. Don’t be afraid. They’re well behaved kids.

@DavidJohnson-tv2qq

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanhill2948 I second this! Get the missionaries to teach you! They don't bite and that is what they serve for. 😁

As a member of the LDS faith, I respect Steve for his ability to show respect and willingness to hear out Brad's representation of our faith. All too often, other faiths spit and hiss at us because our faith see's thing broadly than most if not all other Christian faiths. I did feel at times, this was more an interview and wanting to understand then a conversation, between two friends. Both men are great in their engagement with eachother but their humbleness and expression of love for God and Jesus Christ, makes them one!

@charlesmendeley9823

2 жыл бұрын

When you listen to Brad Wilcox talk to LDS youth, you know that this spirit of tolerance is not reciprocal. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKV2mremnrHJoc4.html

@ChristisLord2023

Жыл бұрын

While I do feel like you have been deceived by this churches doctrines, your statement about having a broader view stumps me. I do understand what the LDS faith believes very well, I don't understand how a 'one of many' god can be seen as a broad view in comparison to the Eternal all powerful God who created everything from nothing. Setting that point aside I have yet to get a question answered from anyone in the Mormon church. If you are exalted to be a god, do you still worship God? If so who would God worship and why wouldn't we worship the god that God Himself would bow down to worship? Or his God? Why would the scripture, and the words of Jesus Himself, contradict what Joseph Smith said? Paul does tell us that if even an angel from heaven contradicts the gospel message the apostles taught, with Holy Spirit influence, then he will be cursed. With this in mind, why would I now choose to go against the revelation God gave us through His Word, and believe something that, not only changes the Gospel message but also changes the very nature of who God is?

@adh02us

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristisLord2023 The wisdom of Jesus' teaching in parable is becoming more and more clear to me. People may have been frustrated with Jesus for not being more explicit in his teachings, but he knew what was best for the people and he knew that milk should come before meat for those who were not mature enough in their understanding of spiritual things. If we are spiritually and intellectually honest with ourselves and with God, we should approach His mysteries in humility, realizing that we do not know the smallest part of them. We would also be wise to humbly seek whatever further light and truth is expedient for us to receive. We need to seek grace and an understanding heart so that when we receive a truth from God, we don't reject it (seed sown on stony ground). What is helpful to keep in mind is that we are all still learning, and not only do we have an incomplete understanding of God's mysteries, but many of us don't have a complete knowledge of the scriptures or the doctrines of our church. The problem with these discussions is that they always get pushed to the fringes and we end up saying things that may not be accurate or even what we believe, but just a response that we've arrived at logically based on what we do believe.

@ChristisLord2023

Жыл бұрын

@@adh02us that is an awful lot of word salad to say that you don't believe God has successfully transmitted His message clearly. This is one area where we disagree. God said, in His written revelation, through divine inspiration, who He is and that we can have personal relationship with Him. I am not sure from what you wrote which side of this debate you are on, but I do know what is "theopnuestos" (God Breathed). 2 Timothy 3:14But as for you, continue in the things you have learned and firmly believed, since you know from whom you have learned them. 15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work. This tells me that God's Word is enough for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. Jeremiah 17 :9“The heart is deceitful above all things, And [d]desperately wicked; Who can know it? This tells me that a strong feeling about the book of Mormon may not be the Holy Spirit speaking to me. I choose to trust God and His inspired Word over the "revelation of Joseph Smith which came almost 2000 years later and contradicts it.

@adh02us

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristisLord2023 I'm sorry that it sounded like I was suggesting that God did not clearly transmit His message. That's not at all what I meant. I was more meaning that we tend to have blind eyes and hardened hearts so that we don't clearly receive His message, even though it is clearly given to us (the seed is a good seed, but our ground is barren and does not allow for the good seed to grow). There are a lot of snares that would keep us from perceiving truth. For an example, look at the Pharisees. These were people who faithfully kept the law of Moses. The words of the prophets that they claimed to follow clearly prophesied concerning a Messiah. Jesus Christ is this Messiah. He is the great Jehovah, the Creator of the world, Alpha and Omega, the great I Am. Yet they were offended by him and rejected him and said that he had a devil. How did this happen? We are blessed to see more clearly than the Jews whose blindness caused them to reject their own God. However, have we slipped into similar blindness? We may just have our own Tanakh we cling to, gripped with fear of being deceived or guilty of blasphemy. This tendency may stem from a righteous desire to follow the true and living God, but how do we ensure that we not reject that very God through hardness of heart, blindness of mind, and being gripped with fear? 1 Thessalonians 5: 19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. God hasn't given us the spirit of fear. We put our trust in the true and living God, and trust his Holy Spirit to guide us to discern truth from error. It sounds like you are interpreting the verse from Jeremiah to mean that you should block out any potential light or truth for fear that it "may not be the Holy Spirit". James 1: 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

1:13:45 "In the Bible, I don't read about second chances." The entire Old Testament is practically God giving his people chance after chance after chance.

@noskalborg723

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@Forestgump12able

3 жыл бұрын

This is what the Title page of the Book of Mormon says. How Metviful God has been to men.

@byard55

2 жыл бұрын

I I don't think he meant "second chances" in this life -- but second chances after the grave (listen 30 second later.)

@jinkazama5720

2 жыл бұрын

@@byard55 there is second chances in the world to come Jesus Christ had preached fhe Gospel to the Spirits in Prison 1Peter 3:18-20 though they try hard to explain this words of Peter differently, still there is 1Peter 4:6 that needs to be addressed as well plus the words of Jesus Christ regarding this matter JOHN 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. And another is what Jesus Christ hath said regarding forgiveness in this world and in the world to come MATTHEW 12:31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Yes we do believe that Jesus Christ's Grace is so encompassing and this is true in our daily lives towards happines and progression in this life and in the world to come not for us But also for those who were born since the time of Adam and upto the last person that will still be born on this earth We also know that the Atonement of Jesus Christ is so real and powerful and hath a universal application Amen

@jamesmccluskey391

2 жыл бұрын

These verses of Scripture might help; Those who die without accepting Christ via baptism on Earth (by circumstance) are given 2nd chance... Peter explains why the gospel is preached to the dead 👇 Dead given chance to accept Christ's atonement for sin in spirit world after death but before judgment - 1 Peter 4:6 Christ speaks of how the hour for the dead to hear the gospel has come - John 5:25 All that are in their graves are about to hear the gospel of Christ - John 5:28 Christ preaches to the dead in spirit prison so they can accept the Gospel before final judgment, with mention of baptism as being essential - 1 Pet. 3:18-21 If the dead who have not had the chance to hear the Gospel are given the chance to accept Christ and his atonement after death as per 1 Peter 4:6 and Matthew 27:52-53, then a baptism for the dead on earth must be conducted so that person can accept Christ's atonement and salvation and resurrection as per 1 Corinthians 15:29. According to John 3:2-7, salvation requires baptism. Therefore, those who have died without baptism require something special: a baptism by proxy performed by the living on their behalf so they can accept Christ's atonement. ...Thus, the ordinance of Baptisms for the Dead was and is necessary Baptisms for the Dead - 1 Corinthians 15:29 Dead given chance to accept Christ's atonement for sin in spirit world before judgment - 1 Peter 4:6 Christ preached to dead in spirit world during 3 days of death following crucifixion -Matthew 27:52-53 Baptisms and resurrection of the dead official doctrine - Hebrews 6:2 The dead shall receive the gospel in their graves - John 5:25-29 The living must perform certain ordinances for the dead so they may progress and be made perfect also - Hebrews 11:35-40 In the latter days, a critical, mandatory event: the living will take great interest in the welfare of dead ancestors - Malachi 4:5-6 Baptisms for the dead are necessary for salvation and resurrection of those who have already died - 1 Corinthians 15:29 Sacred places for Baptisms for the dead are necessary, and are conducted in temples - 1 Peter 4:6, 1 Cor. 15:29 The 12-oxen baptismal fonts (used for baptisms for the dead) inside temples described - 2 Chronicles 4:2-5, 10 & 15 He rejoices that his soul will have a chance at being saved from hell after he has died (baptism being required) - Psalms 16:9-10 Ordinances are to be observed exactly as they were delivered - 1 Cor. 11:2

Thank you for the beautiful dialogue to both of you.

Everything Brad says resonates with such love and compassion. You can tell he fully believes every word he says.

@fayelewis5476

2 жыл бұрын

"If you sincerely drink poison, it will kill you: if you sincerely cut your throat, you will die. If you sincerely believe a lie, you will suffer the consequences. You must not only be sincere, but you must be right."

@crawfordzoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@fayelewis5476 you either did not watch the video or you didn't understand anything that was discussed. So sad.

@1exlds90

2 жыл бұрын

@@triciamorrison4450 insecurity is when a religion persecutes anyone who leaves or questions thier organization in anyway or shows no compassion to them.

@triciamorrison4450

2 жыл бұрын

@@1exlds90 I don’t know where you get your information from but I haven’t found that in the LDS church at all and I’ve been going off and on for the past 25 years. They’ve always shown compassion toward me. And isn’t that exactly what you’re doing to them. Persecuting them. I clicked on your channel and found several videos that bash on the church, so that’s quite hypocritical of you to say.

@1exlds90

2 жыл бұрын

@@triciamorrison4450 if you haven't been to the temple it probably does seem like that.

“We are not earning heaven, we are *learning* heaven” - Brad Wilcox

@kaylaursenbach3044

4 жыл бұрын

maxwell lol what??😂😂

@diverseratman

3 жыл бұрын

@Maxwell this is good stuff. I'd say keep at it, might be a best seller someday or even a pretty good sci-fi movie. Anyways, I like it so far, would love to hear more.

@diverseratman

3 жыл бұрын

@Maxwell This is great stuff.

@Convexhull210

3 жыл бұрын

But Mormonism teaches that you must get to heaven by your works. It rejects the blood of Christ.

@KnuttyEntertainment

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure we're on board with the whole saved by grace thing. And we definitely do accept the blood of Christ. It's kinda the whole focus and purpose of our Sunday sacrament meetings. We have this whole thing where we drink water that represents the atoning blood of Christ. Like catholic communion, but every week.

Brad, thank you so much for your testimony and willingness to share what we believe as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You have a beautiful gift to teach. It’s conversations and events like this that, in God’s time, will help others to understand our doctrine and be willing to listen to who we are and what we have to offer. ❤️

It’s refreshing to see an evangelical Christian be so kind and respectful toward the LDS faith. 💛

@AndrewGiles688

3 ай бұрын

Ignoring the beam in thine own eye?

His Grace Is Sufficient by Brad Wilcox, is one of the BEST talks, I've ever heard. It has been a consistent source of comfort, encouragement, and peace, when my I feel like my life is going to crap. Respect to both men!

@lds1ph

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. I watched it a hundred times and will watch ut again.

@1exlds90

4 жыл бұрын

I watched it he's very emotional

@HelibearWomble

4 жыл бұрын

Love that talk. "we are not earning heaven, we are learning heaven."

@lds1ph

4 жыл бұрын

From that talk: We not only know what Jesus saved as from. We also know what Jesus saved us for... Besides asking "Have you been saved by grace?", we should also ask "Have you been changed by grace?", "We will all be saved. The only thing left to be determined is what kind of bodies we will be resurrected with. How comfortable we will be in the presence of God".

@danvan2683

4 жыл бұрын

It makes me so mad the way this guy handles the bible, you guys have no idea how much has been sacrificed and the gospel preserved to trust men like this that obviously don't know his scriptures, it really is a perversion to gods word,

We need this more in our world today. Not telling each other they are wrong but embracing the differences and sharing the similarities in unity.

@1:18:55 “Mormon’s heaven is huge and hell is very small; in many religions, hell is big, heaven is small.“

@pauletteforeman2194

2 жыл бұрын

The real Mormon heaven is the celestial kingdom and it’s very small.

@_andrewmoody

Жыл бұрын

@@pauletteforeman2194 In your perspective

Thank you for this great conversation. We need more of this type of positive communication and sharing perspectives. Love it!

What a tough, but mostly respectful dialogue between two believers. It is easy to "arm chair quarterback" this event and so I will refrain from doing so. Biggest take-away... 1. In essentials, unity; 2. In non-essentials, liberty; 3. in all things, love. #PraiseJesus :-)

May we stand arm in arm against the powers that are working against freedom of religion everywhere

Wow, Brad just enlightened me so much. His wisdom and eloquence with words jut amazes me.

@markkrispin6944

2 ай бұрын

Don't let yourself get brainwashed by this Mormon cult leader. Stick to the Bible only as the Word of God.

As an exMo, Brad is one of the few Mormon leaders I can actually stand

@TheSandyStone

4 ай бұрын

You should watch videos on what he says with youth and when the public light is not there. Changed my mind about him.

Inspiring conversation this was beautiful. He did not rely on scripture(tho he could) but his heart, masterful.

@FromAgonyToLight

2 жыл бұрын

I was also impressed that brother Wilcox did not bible bash, I guess he knew that using scripture would have led to an argument. I’ll try to follow his example if I’m in that situation to not hurl scripture.

I m a LDS from Costa Rica and independently of religious belief ,I m LDS because the statements from Mr Wilcox makes sense to me more than the reachs of other religions based on Roman catholic Church boundaries

@estherlewis7458

Жыл бұрын

The true, original church was started in Jerusalem. Acts 2. It was nothing like Catholicism or Mormonism.

This is probably the best LDS/Christian dialogue I've ever seen!

@mckenzieshoaf3959

2 жыл бұрын

i agree! non-contentious and full of mutual respect and genuine curiosity.

@lindiwesoko7876

Жыл бұрын

LDS are Christians

I needed this. Thank you!

Thank you both for doing this!

Quite possibly the most valuable video on KZread! So refreshing to watch!

I came upon this little gem and came away even more impressed by Brad Wilcox. I love how he preaches the love of Christ with such passion and power!

Thank both of you for this message of love!!!

I have been searching weeks for a discussion like this.

I appreciate and love a honest Mormon so I can understand them better this was a lovely debate that’s what I like seeing may not agree but can be in the same room.

@joeb2588

3 жыл бұрын

That's true about them being in the same room without argueing. Outside of a debate I wouldn't argue. In a debate I would just say, "look my dinner is getting cold so I'll make it quick." "Joe Smith is a charlatan. He's not a prophet. The Book of Mormon has no backing archeology anywhere. Kolob? The Book is blasphemous for even existing any using Jesus name. No financial transparency The Mormon temple ceremony is a rip-off from Masonry The Mormon church worships Joseph Smith more than Jesus he Book of Mormon is not a record of ancient Americans as Joseph Smith claimed, but instead is a 19th century work of fiction/plagiarism"

@jeffreysmith7542

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeb2588 First of all I would like to correct you on several points you got wrong. 1. The Book of Mormon has no backing archeology anywhere. Not true. There are many examples of claims being made in the BoM that contradicted the science of it's time but than later the old science was proved wrong and the BoM proven right. 2. No financial transparency Yeah so what! No matter what they choose to do with the money people will complain either way. But, I respect this position far better than what evangelical churches do where they pretend to be transparent but are consistently get caught in financial scandals. Much more so than ours have. 3. The Mormon temple ceremony is a rip-off from Masonry Except that there is that possibility that free Masonry was just a break away from old rituals that took place in the temple of Solomon. If it is the case than it really isn't a problem. 4. The Mormon church worships Joseph Smith more than Jesus. That one is just flat out untrue. 5. Book of Mormon is not a record of ancient Americans as Joseph Smith claimed, but instead is a 19th century work of fiction/plagiarism I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion but with their being multiple witnesses present during the translation process I find it hard to believe Joseph could have dictated what needed to be written without having any notes or scripts which the witnesses have testified that he had none.

@SubjectNate

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeb2588 Nice to know there is one more person in life I can completely ignore. Thanks for identifying yourself.

@noskalborg723

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeb2588 a present exhibit A: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4ifj66ekrm7f5s.html but in case you don't want to listen to a remarkable story. Here is the list found there-in (please ignore the accidental timestamps "blue text"): the 17 points of the true church: 1. Christ organized the Church - Ephesians 4:11-14 2. The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ - Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18 3. The true church must have a foundation of apostles and prophets - Ephesians 2:19-20, 1 Cor. 12:28 4. The true church must have the same organization as Christ's Church - Ephesians 4:11-14 5. The true church must claim divine authority - Hebrews 5:4-10 6. The true church must have no paid ministry - Isaiah 45:13, 1 Peter 5:2 7. The true church must baptize by full immersion - Matthew 3:13-16 8. The true church must bestow the gift of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands -Acts 8:14-17 9. The true church must practice genuine divine healing - Mark 3:14-15 10. The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate individuals - Heb. 1:3, Acts 7:55-56, John 17:11 & 20:17 11. The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone - Luke 24:36-51, Acts 1:9-11 12. The officers of the true church must be called by God, not taken upon by themselves - Hebrews 5:4, Exodus 40:13-16 13. The true church must claim revelation from God - Amos 3:7 14. The true church must be a missionary church - Matthew 28:19-20 15. The true church must be a restored church (previously removed, then re-instated) - Acts 3:19-20 16. The true church must practice baptism for the dead - 1 Corinthians 15:16 -29 17. By their fruits ye shall know them -Matthew 7:20 ** Why are these things important? -Hebrews 13:8

@andyg806

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeb2588 Evidently, this video completely missed you...

Amazing explanation about the LDS doctrine, in a sincere way. We do not understand all God's relationship with man but we know that we will have all eternity to learn more. Being respectful and having a sincere approach is elemental to cherish ideas that we might not share is the first step to love one another.

@sothpaw13

2 жыл бұрын

There won't be both Mormons and Christians in eternity with God. They are totally different where it counts. It's one or the other so choose wisely.

@Sk8StGeorge

2 жыл бұрын

@@sothpaw13 We will all come to the unity of faith. ALL Christians (and good people who never knew Christ) who have strived to be obedient will have their chance to accept or reject the Saviour.

@sothpaw13

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sk8StGeorge that chance only happens during this life. In “Hebrews 9:27 (NKJV) it states: “And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.” Being a good person won’t get you to heaven as there are no “good people”. The Bible says, Luke 18:19 (NKJV): 19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.” We don’t have all of eternity to figure this out. That is a lie from the devil himself.

@Sk8StGeorge

2 жыл бұрын

@@sothpaw13 Guess I believe in a more merciful Savior. Time will tell. In the mean time, we need to stick together as fellow Christians.

@sothpaw13

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sk8StGeorge Jesus is merciful, incredibly merciful. But He is also just. His mercy can’t conflict with it. He created the plan of salvation and He has laid it all out in His Word. Anyone who ends up in Hell is there by their own hand, not our Savior’s.

finally! a respectful conversation - thank you - peace & love

I definitely do agree that our Earthly pilgrimage is exactly like a school... And we learn through our mistakes.... Try over and over again and finally get it right and realize that we will know we were not created to fail...

As an apologetic graduate from Liberty University I find this interesting not bashing each other

@SpiritGuide11111

3 жыл бұрын

As it should be. We all have a role to play and in this time of division we have to come together as we get through the tribulations. We all love the teachings of Christ and we can always find common ground and love in our heavenly fathers children. He wants all of us back home not just different religions

@jameslamere740

2 жыл бұрын

Why would they bash each other ? It's a mutual jerk-off session .

@uncatila

2 жыл бұрын

Its Smashing not Bashing

@uncatila

2 жыл бұрын

@@jameslamere740 the mutual sin of Onan?

I just like to say that I'm very appreciative at the gentlemanly manner the these two gentlemen have with each other instead of anybody being cynical are sarcastic about the doctrine of the LDS because that's usually the thing that takes over and other people questioning the LDS person is that there is an assault weapon trying to come out during conversations that turn into ugly arguments and then nobody should even be talkin about having because the minute that happens the ego is taking over an ego. Is serious downfall when it comes to talking about God in general ego kills...truth.

@spencerstokes8575

3 жыл бұрын

Maxwell false everything about that conspiracy theory

“We don’t read about second chances.” The entire concept of repentance and the purpose of Jesus Christ’s atonement is to extend second and third and fourth chances to those who fail over and over again. Really great conversation to listen to, enjoyed the respectful discourse. Just hard personally as a Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints to hear there are no second chances. Glad to see this video overall.

Thanks for sharing this frank and important conversation. False worldviews can sometimes be exposed simply by being exposited.

The first sin was the hiring of the sound and lighting of this production. It almost made it impossible to watch.

@zertmcdirt7843

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the crackling of those mics was very annoying. The lighting was terrible as well.

So nice talk!

What a wonderful conversation. Usually these debates between Christians and Mormons turn kind of ugly. This was a blessing.

So great to see Christians coming together in the spirit of respect

@estherlewis7458

2 жыл бұрын

Christians worship an exalted man from another planet?

Thank you for this. Let's join together in love against the true enemy. Realizing both come from places of love, trying to live up to what we believe, serving and loving and relying on God.

Loved this. Would love to see more! What a great example to talk about strongly felt sacred text and feelings and being civil and building each other still in the process.

Thanks for sharing your honesty in ❤️ and praying,

Bro. Wilcox is a great teacher. If you listen carefully, he is actually expounding upon great truths and deep doctrine, but with simplicity and love, it is amazing.

I sense the evangelical space and I see the LDS space. To me the LDS space makes more sense.

@johnlewis6526

3 жыл бұрын

I’m very happy to know that

@kassidyj97

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more

@AString95

3 жыл бұрын

Please reconsider as Jesus is not our spirit brother. Our God wasn’t a sinner and this is what the Mormon Church teaches. God bless.

@45s262

3 жыл бұрын

@@AString95 no its not. Notice the words in our hymn. Offering divine or To be like man , almost. Iow like man but without sin... but even more clear, we absolutely believe that only the sacrifice of the first born without spot or blemish was God's son. He who was without sin took the sin of the world upon himself. We emphatically believe and teach this. 1. O God, th’Eternal Father, Who dwells amid the sky, In Jesus’ name we ask thee To bless and sanctify, If we are pure before thee, This bread and cup of wine, That we may all remember That offering divine- 2. That sacred, holy off’ring, By man least understood, To have our sins remitted And take his flesh and blood, That we may ever witness The suff’ring of thy Son, And always have his Spirit To make our hearts as one. 3. When Jesus, the Anointed, Descended from above And gave himself a ransom To win our souls with love- With no apparent beauty, That man should him desire- He was the promised Savior, To purify with fire. 4. How infinite that wisdom, The plan of holiness, That made salvation perfect And veiled the Lord in flesh, To walk upon his footstool And be like man, almost, In his exalted station, And die, or all was lost.

@AString95

3 жыл бұрын

@@45s262 Joseph Smith and Snow both said God was like us, a man. I do not know such a god. My God has been God from everlasting to everlasting (Psalm 90:2). Jesus is not my brother. He is my Lord and my God (John 20:28). Certainly the Mormon church teaches God was like a man, and that we may become a god ourselves. This is a false gospel.

I love you all

this needs to be standard listening to LDS people, Brad is soooo clear and concise.

Brethren that was great! Getting to know each other is what we need.

@danvan2683

4 жыл бұрын

The gospel is what you need, jesus needs to be your foundation BEFORE the realization of joseph smith is undeniable, more mormons leave belief altogether because they didn't have the historic foundation of the lord and his gospel, they based everything on the restored version. Please don't be afraid to test all things, I pray the lord inspires you to research his truth, not the church history till you have enough of the bible to preserve faith in jesus.

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve No one is going to hell. There is no such place. The idea of hell/Devil/Satan was used by 10th century clerics to scare the shit out of children and adults---to keep them compliant and PAYING!!

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve I'll try to remember your name, Steve. It'll be difficult because there will be so much to see and do over "there" that things that seemed important on earth, diminish to insignificance. Will you remember my name when you meet God and he tells you, "Steve. You deserve hell but there is no such place. I know you're disappointed but you'll get over it. Here are the keys to your heavenly mansion....it's located right over there next to Davey Jones place. If I can accept Davey I can accept you! I [God] didn't create no JUNK!! Welcome to heaven!!"

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve You'll remember ME when the time DOESN'T come...

@daveyjones9930

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve You're too forgettable, Steve!

Anyone else hear the Holy Spirit behind everything Brother Wilcox says? It’s wonderful.

@scotthix2926

Жыл бұрын

No - he said Eve did a good thing by eating fruit of the tree of good and evil. Giving up sinless immortality and perfection.

@Killthesefears

Жыл бұрын

@@scotthix2926 yeah but that’s what was needed.

@scotthix2926

Жыл бұрын

@@Killthesefears But if something was needed in addition to God's creation, then creation was not good and lacking completeness, aka the 7th day rest. Which is the whole point of Genesis chapter 1 of a perfect world.

@Killthesefears

Жыл бұрын

@@scotthix2926 let me ask you this, then: if that was the whole thing and there was to be no more, how would God who is all powerful, all knowing make that world without the rest of the picture in mind? He didn’t. He gave us the choice to sin, yet made a plan for when we did, knowing the outcome. It is all a part of His plan. Don’t get this confused with the idea that God wants us to sin, He doesn’t want us to but He knew that we would. It’s not about the sin, it’s about what we learn because of it, hence progression. If we didn’t sin, then we wouldn’t have known but if we didn’t know, we wouldn’t know how to learn. Get it?

@scotthix2926

Жыл бұрын

@@Killthesefears many points will have to break it up. 1 - "there was to be no more" - assuming creation - everything was created and we (humans) ordered to be fruitful and multiply. A little nuance - in hebrew only God creates, man makes. So we would make more humans through procreation which Adam and Eve were free to do, before the fall. 2. yes He knew we would sin, yes he gave us the choice. 3. Plan - what was his plan? Are you LDS thus you believe we grow or become greater than man. I do not believe this. Adam and Eve were fully human and in perfect communal relationship with God in Gen CH 2. The story of the Bible (from orthodox point of view) is us returning to that Genesis CH 2 communal level. So we believe sin has not benefitted us at all. We already were with God. 4. Learning/Progression - The tree was good for learning, Ch3:6. However, the better way of learning would be from the creator of the tree of good and evil, not from the tree. However, Eve (i would have also) choose her own path to knowledge instead of God's path to knowledge. Her way brought about shame, God's way does not.

I'm so grateful, as a Latter-day Saint, for people like Steven Crane, David Barton, and Richard Mouw for not being overly critical about the Latter-day Saints. We need to have more dialogue like this.

@recalltolife3478

Жыл бұрын

Not a conversation. It was a Mormon monologue.

@patrioticwoody

Жыл бұрын

@@recalltolife3478 Watch the whole video again.

@recalltolife3478

Жыл бұрын

@@patrioticwoodyDon't need to watch it again. If you add up the minutes Wilcox hogged the floor and add up the minutes Crane used for his sorry rebuttals what you get is a Mormon monologue. Crane was pathetic.

@patrioticwoody

Жыл бұрын

@@recalltolife3478 Maybe, maybe you just find Steven Crane as that weak and unwilling to stand for what you believe to be the true faith, or it could be that this was not a debate but rather an interfaith discussion with two people trying to understand each other's perspectives.

@recalltolife3478

Жыл бұрын

@@patrioticwoody I can't imagine the Apostle Paul sitting around "dialoging" with a Mithras Cult member, desperately trying to find common ground.

Great presentation by the member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

We have all things only because of God's grace of love and grace and love are the similitudes and the synonyms of one another...

I know that My Redeemer Lives 🙏 He is my Prophet Priest and King

Brad was almost overly nice. I wish he would have posed some of the harder questions like “if there are no second chances, do you believe that all who have never heard the name of Christ (a majority of people who have lived on earth) condemned to hell?” And pushed Steve a little more on some of his beliefs

@trustme8935

2 жыл бұрын

They both weren't there for that

@christophercowan1645

2 жыл бұрын

Paul answers this in acts 17

@AndrewGiles688

3 ай бұрын

Did Jesus preach a gospel of not being overly nice? Do you like God who is love isn't loving towards all of His children?

"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth His secrets unto His servants the prophets." Amos 3:7

@binren3984

3 жыл бұрын

You do realize the reason for old testament prophets of God. No offense but prophets of old are not the same as having the spirit of prophecy. God has revealed the mystery and that is Jesus Christ Who has saved mankind from eternal death. Christ is our only mediator to God the Father We are very fortunate, we have one Canon with complete instructions What God wants and what he wants from us his earthly imagers. Peace

@prayerwarrior7778

3 жыл бұрын

I believe God speaks to prophets. But the LDS ‘prophets’ are Not God appointed but self appointed. Jesus said My sheep hear My voice (John 10:27). We hear His voice and don’t need to go through a man because Jesus is the only way (John 14:6).

@kassidyj97

3 жыл бұрын

@@prayerwarrior7778 if this were true, Christianity would be united, and it's not. The Evangelical minister really downplays the differences between the denominations, but these are major differences. For example, Jesus teaches Nichodemus that "unless a man be born of both water and the spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." This practice is baptism. Without baptism we cannot enter into heaven, and yet many Churches do not teach this. I would consider that a major difference, and is the reason a Prophet is needed... to bring the Church together.

@prayerwarrior7778

3 жыл бұрын

@@kassidyj97 I’m extremely thorough so allow me to try to be as brief as I can. I’ll try not to write a book. if we cannot test things then everything God says is relative. That argument is bs. Many people have spiritual encounters that they THINK are from God but are really from Satan (that is how Islam was started). And the Bible confirms this (2 Cor 11:14, Gal 1:6-9, 1 John 4:1, 2 Peter 2:1, Matthew 24:24 ect). I did not make this up. Also He says in John tell that His sheep will not follow the voice of another. A voice of another means a voice not from God. Hello, false religions. Biblical Christianity is not as divided as the Mormons say. I’ve been to all denominations. We disagree on issues such as woman pastors, baptism by immersion or sprinkling, should the book of Enoch be added to the canon, post or pre trib rapture. We disagree on secondary issues, it’s not that they are not important but that they are not related to the gospel or salvation. We all agree (Methodist, Baptist, Lutherans, Angleicans, Prest, Assembly of God ect) that there has only ever been ONE God (Isaiah 43:10, Psalm 90:2,). The triune nature of the Godhead (John 1:1-3, Hebrews 1:3, Col 2:9, Col 1:15-18, John 4:24, John 8:58 ect ect). The virgin birth, the physical resurrection. Sin. The need for a savior. God is Holy. Salvation by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-10). The Holy Spirit lives in those that believe in the Son (John 3:18, John 1:12, Eph 1:13, Romans 8:14-15, 1 Cor 3:16). Mormonism violates multiple essential Christian doctrine such as the trinity, salvation by grace through faith, and there only ever been One God. It is therefore not Christian, not any more do than Islam is. Muslims believe in a version of Jesus, but it’s not the biblical Jesus. Mormons believe in a different Jesus than the biblical one. No, you don’t not need to be baptized to be saved. You must be born of water (the physical birth) and spirit (the spiritual birth) as John 3:5 says. Read John 3:1-8 for context. Also look at the thief on the cross in Luke 22:38-43. And then check John 3:18, Mark 16:16. Romans 10:9. I’m sure I am forgetting some verses but that should prove my point. I am not saying that we should not be baptized. But that we do not need to be baptized to get to the Father, because THAT IS ONLY THROUGH JESUS (John 14:6). Look at Eph 1:13. We are sealed to God because of our belief. Amen thank you Jesus for the CROSS!!! What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus? What can make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. Oh, precious is the flow that makes me white as snow. I’m curious though. Because I am confused. I know in the LDS faith that Heavenly Father and Jesus are ‘separate in being but United in purpose’ (D and C 130:22). Do you worship Heavenly Father only then? If so, did you know Jesus recieved worship. Matt 28:9, Matthew 28:17. Or if you worship both, and they are separate beings, is that not like worshipping two gods? I’m curious because every time I ask someone I get a different answer. I even had one missionary say ‘yes we worship only Heavenly Father,’ then I showed her where Jesus is worshipped and she changed her mind to both, then I asked her the above question and she said just Heavenly Father again. It’s very confusing to me. You say that a prophet is needed to bring the church together, but that is the Holy Spirits job. How come many Mormon prophets contradict each other? Brigham Young taught in blood atonement and Adam was our God and denied the virgin birth? Yet modern Mormonism does not hold to these teachings. What about the facts that African Americans did not get the priesthood until 1978? What about the fact that one prophet said “Mormon means more good” but the current one says “Mormon is a win for Satan”? What about the wired doctrine that children of gay parents could not be baptized and then three years later that doctrine was changed, yet when it first came out it was regarded as revelation from God? Does God change His mind?

@Mine4062

3 жыл бұрын

@@prayerwarrior7778 Sorry, I too will probably write too long a response. 😄 I'm not sure but I think Oliver Parker meant to direct his reply about "If that were true then Christianity would be united" towards the first comment made by Bin Ren about how we don't need a prophet because we have the holy spirit. At least, that was my first thought when I read Bin Ren's assertion. After all, if the Holy Spirit was being followed perfectly, why are their 90K denominations of christian? I'm also not LDS (I'm protestant) but in answer to a few other of your questions I think they would say that God does not change but that prophets are mortal men just as the prophets in the Bible and are not infallible perfect beings. They can make mistakes. They DO sin. As for African Americans not getting the priesthood, I would say the LDS church has been more liberal at accepting other races into their fold than Christian churches. If we are holding them to account for racist views held in the past by members, we would not like to be held to the same standard. Even all the way up to Jim Crow, MANY protestant Christian churches actively preached against integration and remained silent or worse in regards to their civil rights supposedly in the name of Jesus Christ.

I am so glad left the church.

Great dialog. I am LDS but I basically agreed with evangelicals on every issue.

And we are playing the part of God when we raise and train our children and we sometimes let them experience things that we could prevent because of the lesson that they must learn from the Mis- Take....

This was great

I love how respectful they are of each other and the way they approached this. Brad Wilcox actually really moved me, I can tell how much he loves his faith and how deeply a part of him it is. My only issue is that we DO worship a different God and a different Jesus, and Christian’s shouldn’t be afraid to speak the truth even if someone gets a little butthurt over it. Mormons can say they have a wider lens they view God through all they want, but it doesn’t change the objective truth and facts that the characteristics of the Christian God and the Mormon God are very different. This conversation is certainly impactful though and im so happy I stumbled upon it.

we need to look to our shared beliefs and work together to fight to the attack on christianity. Loved this! We believe in the same Jesus.

@1exlds90

5 жыл бұрын

I don't believe Jesus is my brother He is my God

@nephi30

5 жыл бұрын

Heidi Reis John 20:17 17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Jesus is our God and Father of our salvation and eternal life. But even He has a Father, who is also our shared Father. The Father of our spirits. Romans 8:16-17 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Mosiah 3:8 8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary. Jesus was like God the Father before this life. He is the Jehovah of the Old Testament and yet even he has a Father in Heaven that he adheres to and worships. He taught us to pray unto the Father in His Name. At Christ’s baptism as he rose up out of the water it was the voice of the Father coming out of heaven saying that this was his beloved Son in whom he is well pleased.

@wightman1525

5 жыл бұрын

We may believe in a person with the same name but there the similarity ends. Mormons believe in a created Jesus, the spirit son and first born of God and one of his wives. This makes Jesus a created being, contrary to the Bible which tells us he has existed "from the beginning", and less than God. Mormons believe that Jesus is the oldest of God's spirit children and that Lucifer is a younger brother, Evangelicals reject this and believe as the Bible teaches that Jesus is God in the flesh (Emmanuel, God with us). Evangelicals believe that Jesus accomplished everything necessary for salvation, living with God for eternity. Mormons believe that Jesus' atonement provides only a partial salvation (essentially resurrection) and that to live eternally with God (Celestial Kingdom) requires works and obedience to earn their way there. There is nothing wrong with civil dialogue but the gulf is far too wide to assume that we have real fundamental and essential beliefs in common.

@kevinj5738

4 жыл бұрын

We most certainly don’t believe in the same Jesus. Jesus is not my brother He’s my Savior. LDS go to heaven through works not accepting Christ.

@jhabernathy690

2 жыл бұрын

We don’t share anything with you! Mormons are headed for hell lest they repent from this poisoning from Joseph Smith

A bridge builder on the Protestant side is Baptist Minister Lynn Ridenhour from Independance Missouri. He has a You-Tube channel with his name. He heads up Building Bridges Ministry, Independence, Mo. Lynn says a mature thing about believers of other faiths: "I may disagree with them, but I will not criticize them."

@1exlds90

4 жыл бұрын

Lot's of pastors are watering down the message. Thier not doing unbelievers a favor. Lds requires that everyone must eventually take Thier secret temple endowments to get to Thier father in heaven.

@rickdavis2235

4 жыл бұрын

Ray Conger I saw Ridenhour's video and he's either not a baptist preacher or he's extremely ignorant to Mormon beliefs. The Mormon church contradicts everthing in the Bible and because of that, they believe in a false god and a false Jesus so they won't be going to heaven. He should be praying for them and trying to lead them to the real Jesus instead of smiling and supporting their faith while they and their families go to hell. Just because he's a baptist preacher doesn't mean he's not lost too.

@delkeith285

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickdavis2235 And you actually love this god whom you profess to worship?

@rickdavis2235

3 жыл бұрын

@@delkeith285 To be clear, I don't worship a god. I love and worship the one and only GOD of the Bible, YHWH. The creator of everything that was created. Don't you?

Be united in the Big love to all God's children, His love for All

There are so many scriptures refuting certain views expressed in this conversation, I'm kind of blown away!

@rodneyficklin9281

2 жыл бұрын

I have found you can wrest the scriptures to support many different belief structures, why are there over 2000 christen denominations? All having different doctrine, and there are very different if drill down in. I would rather find the common ground and let the rest work it self out.

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

@@rodneyficklin9281 all having differences on tertiary doctrines, but evangelical (Bible believing) Christians are United by the gospel. That we get to God by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone

But this has been very pleasant to listen to ive learned a great deal..i love how mr wilcox explained everything he answered alot of my questions very well

@fayelewis5476

2 жыл бұрын

The word 'Bible' did not even come about until 200 AD.. The Book of Mormon was written in 600 BC. The word Bible is from the Latin Biblia. The last book of the Bible was written as late as 90 A.D. and the collection and canonization of all the biblical books developed over time thereafter. However the Book of Mormon speaks of the 'Bible' nearly 600 years before the New Testament was even begun to be written. Joseph Smith was definitely a con man. 2 Nephi 29 3 And because my words shall hiss forth-many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible. 4 But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. And what thank they the Jews for the Bible which they receive from them? Yea, what do the Gentiles mean? Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto me, in bringing forth salvation unto the Gentiles? 6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? 10 Wherefore, because that ye have a Bible ye need not suppose that it contains all my words; neither need ye suppose that I have not caused more to be written.

@lei9810

2 жыл бұрын

@Faye Lewis A translation is the act of transferring linguistic entities from one language into into their equivalent in another language. Joseph smith translated the Book of Mormon from the original language into modern english, he didn’t copy word for word. Meanings of words change over time, so the exact same word used then won’t necessarily have the same meaning it does now. For example silly used to mean “blessed with worthiness”, whereas now silly has a completely different meaning. The word Bible was used correctly to describe what we understand today as the bible, the word of God and a testament of Jesus Christ. That is not a good argument for Joseph Smith being a con man. Joseph smith had a 3rd grade education, and to complete a book with the details, stories, and numerous different styles of writing as he did in the short time he did, is 100% a miracle. Just a friendly suggestion because it is very interesting, but you should look into why it’s pretty unbelievable that he could have written a book like the Book of Mormon! Also, not trying to be confrontational, just want to add in some clarification!! :)

@fayelewis5476

2 жыл бұрын

@@lei9810 The good news is that you don't have to believe the Book of Mormon is true or join the LDS church or believe that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God to get into heaven. Forgiveness of sins, eternal life, exaltation and salvation are all free. That is how much God loves you!

@lei9810

2 жыл бұрын

@@fayelewis5476 I completely agree with you!! Salvation comes through Christ and Christ alone! Joseph Smith is only someone who points to Christ, invites us and helps us learn how to go to Him and become more like Him in nature :)

@lei9810

2 жыл бұрын

@@fayelewis5476 and in response to the last message that I think you may have deleted (I can’t see it) , yes the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians, but why would that mean that they don’t speak the language? I think that would mean even more so that they would speak the language since they were surrounded by it. For instance Africans who were enslaved in America, did they not over time learn to speak English, which is not their native tongue, even though English is the language of people I’m sure they despised and still have feelings of hatred and resentment towards, they still learned how to speak English. Point being, just because you hate a group of people (for good reason even) doesn’t mean you will never learn their language. Again, not a very good debate on that point. Though with king zedekiah I do admit that I don’t know much on that topic, but I think it’s really amazing that you’re that knowledgeable on that, I wouldn’t be able to quote dates like you have :)

It's The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints

@1exlds90

5 жыл бұрын

Lot's of religions use the name Jesus Muslims believe he was a prophet Hindu and new age believe he is a guru. But Jesus is God eternal his blood apart from works is a christians eternal hope

@legacy756

4 жыл бұрын

@@1exlds90 Yep but officially that is the name of the Church, like legally

@johnmarquardt1991

4 жыл бұрын

But it's not the Jesus Christ of Christianity.

@legacy756

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnmarquardt1991 the concept of Jesus in Christianity is incomplete and false

@binren3984

4 жыл бұрын

@@legacy756 How did you arrive at that conclusion that Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible is incomplete ?

When we read the scriptures, it helps to ask ourselves if we are interpreting scripture literally or symbolicly or somewhere in between. Each group interprets some things both ways.

Speaking as a Roman Catholic Christian, I really appreciated this dialogue because it helped me better understand BOTH points of view. 😊

@alexbakerloo1979

4 жыл бұрын

Hi friend. I am Christian too. Quick question about your belief and some thing I wondered about what Catholics believe. Do you believe Mary is the daughter of God since God is Father of all?

@quinataanthony

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexbakerloo1979 Your question is far more complex than, at first blush, it appears. But I'll answer it as succinctly as I can. 😊 The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary is a "creature" of God, in that she created by God, as we all were. We do venerate, but we don't worship her, as the Mother of God, because by doing so, we are acknowledging the divinity of Christ. I HOPE that answers your question. If you have any more, please feel free to ask! Blessings! 🙏

@alexbakerloo1979

4 жыл бұрын

@@quinataanthony hi friend. Thanks for your reply. Ephesians 4:6 says God is Father of all. Following your answer, do you believe this does not apply to Mary? Is Mary not a daughter of God in the same sense as all other female Christians? I understand how you interpret she was the Mother of God, at least whilst Jesus was incarnated but pre-crucified

@quinataanthony

4 жыл бұрын

I tried to answer your question, NOT knowing what kind of Christian you identify yourself as, since LDS members (which I suspect you might be), identify themselves as Christian, as well. With regards to your question, even the angels are "creatures" of God, having been created by God. When Christ took form as Jesus, "5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[b] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Philippians 2 5:11. Now, if JESUS didn't consider himself special while He walked the face of the earth, what are the chances Mary did? ,“Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.” Luke 1:38 This "sonship" you bring up was written AFTER the resurrection of Jesus, not before, or during, so your argument, by Christian scriptures doesn't hold water. 😊

@quinataanthony

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexbakerloo1979 It does AFTER the resurrection of Jesus, just as it does for you and I.

After listening to both sides. I’m feel so blessed to be a LDS ❤️

2 Peter:17 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, of whom I am well pleased" said the Father to the Son.......

@danvan2683

4 жыл бұрын

Please dig a little deeper on who jesus is and what exactly his gospel is and means to you, your church should be secondary to your personal devotion to the one that redeems you, when the truth about smith hits you in the heart I pray the lord can catch you. Please check out: The ex mormon files, this is stories of people who found the gospel and a relationship with the lord, amazing stories wherever your heart is with god. The gospel topic essays, look into the footnotes and research from lds.org, and please remember that jesus predates and has nothing to do with the history of the mormon church, these claims need to be looked at separately. He was crucified on a cross made of wood, yet created the hill on which it stood. I was born and raised in the mormon church, I've seen both positions in this dialogue, please don't be neutral or subjective to the christian claims about the mormon church, I pray you educate yourself and retain the lord when its over.

Great video

This was so good- Evangelicals and Mormons need to band together more and realize they have more in common than not

@tyleradams4191

Жыл бұрын

I would have to respectfully disagree the LDS member kept agreeing with the evangelicals questions but his words simply disagreed with him it’s like he would say yes we agree perfectly and then state something that completely disagrees with the evangelicals statements

Please note the huge difference between the two beliefs. We see monotheism and polytheism. Both can’t be right. We can and should be polite. But to say that since we are both well meaning so it doesn’t matter, is to reject the gospel.

You see how the guy on left , is kinda pressing gently but Wilcox still trying to bring back brotherly love despite the difference , he doesn't care about the difference he cares about having a good open heartfelt sharing time 😍

@AndrewGiles688

3 ай бұрын

The guy on the left is Brother Wilcox. Stop judging, be more kind.

Like two kids discussing why their favorite action figure is the best. BUT, doing it as respectfully as they possibly can. And that's the gold here! No violence is going to stem from this conversation - which is saying a lot when it comes to dogma. Personally, I think we'd all be better off focusing on what Jesus focused on in the synoptic gospels (love others as self - as you have done .. to me), instead of following all sorts of religious authorities. But I'll settle for people doing their best to be respectful while discussing teachings of their own religious authorities. I do appreciate it.

@AndrewGiles688

3 ай бұрын

Jesus set Himself up as the ultimate religious authority. He wants a secular teacher, He called Himself God and died because of it. God is real brother. You don't have to make up your own purpose because I know it can't be fulfilling trying to do it as best you can. The better way is Jesus.

@leem3299

2 ай бұрын

Oh, if there was a way to know which of us is finding more fulfillment. Sounds like you think you would win that contest. More power to you. It must feel good thinking you feel better than me. Can you site where Jesus set himself up as the ultimate religious authority? Where did he call himself God? And reading the Synoptic Gospels it seems clear he died because he sharply critisized the religious authorities of his community, and they felt it was their God ordained DUTY to silence him. When you don't bow to those who think they speak for God, it's very - very dangerous. Jesus showed the way, and exemplified actually living his own teachings - in the very situations he warned his followers they might face if they followed him. Following Jesus will draw ire from religious authorities first and foremost. At the end of the day, we both agree Jesus is the way to follow. I just think your understanding has more to do with believing the "right" things. The Synoptic Gospels don't focus on belief. Look up what Jesus' answer was when asked what we need to do to have Eternal Life in the Synoptics. Do you want the reference? I'm willing to site it if you're curious.@@AndrewGiles688

Nice conversation. Definitely two completely different religions.

I actually found this conversation incredibly unhelpful. There was this pattern. The evangelical would bring up a topic and ask the Mormon a foundational question. The evangelical would bring up how he differs from the Mormon and explain the evangelical belief. Then the Mormon would say "we are the same" or "we believe the same thing". And then the Mormon would backtrack on what he had just said. All the Mormon wanted to do was equate himself with evangelicals, but clearly described things differently. The Mormon was a smooth talker and instead sharing Mormon doctrine he just wanted to sound like he was the same.

This is important. As our culture continues to degrade, the evil elements there will reign down persecution and hate on churches like we've never seen before. (They are already using the power of the gvt to discriminate against christians.) We need an understanding dialogue more than ever because even though we might differ in the details our goal is to show Christlike love on the least of these among us. We should be combining our energy to push back the evil, not arguing with each other.

Good discussion

When Brad spoke of the many nuances in Christianity . But mormonism is just as diverse. There are hundreds of mormon sects with their own prophets and apostles. Even in the big church, the members are divided. I was a devout mormon for 30 years and was saved by grace, learned the history, and left. I loved the church and was shocked when I learned the truth. There are too many problems with the changing doctrine. Also, mormon VIP heaven requires me to be one of millions of wives to one husband. I never wanted to be a God, so mormon VIP heaven feels more like VIP hell. Mormonism is all about them and what God's going to give them by making them a God. Loving the biblical Jesus and being saved by grace is all about Him and what He already did for me. I will praise Him until my very last breath. I pray that the mormons, will open their eyes to Jesus Christ!

@rconger24

6 жыл бұрын

Bubble Popper more like a dozen.

@1exlds90

5 жыл бұрын

The Mormon church are on a massive exit wards are closing and stakes condensing even several temples have closed

@julietingram6396

5 жыл бұрын

The doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is that God's ideal pattern is one man and one woman. He may command differently from time to time, as stated and seen in the Old Testament as well as in the Book of Mormon, but that is the exception, not the rule. Either you were taught by someone who misunderstood the doctrine, or you yourself misunderstood it. This sort of antagonism is not Christlike, and I hope we can all learn from one another with patience, faith, and love. I can testify that as a member of His church, I know and love Jesus Christ. He is the Savior of the world and He will come again.

@MakelleBell

4 жыл бұрын

@@1exlds90 No temple has ever closed, unless to be renovated, cleaned, or rededicated....and the rare occurrence of war/political factions.

@Apbt-rv7zw

4 жыл бұрын

@@MakelleBell yeah Heidi is a troll who just speaks negative of anything LDS.

1st Peter 3: 19: "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison." Don't know how much more clear about what Christ did after his death and before his resurrection than that!

Good convo- I grew up Mormon and I can say for sure they do not believe in the biblical Christ. They think Jesus n satan are brothers. They forgot to read the Bible I guess. They also teach your works get u to heaven, not Christs sacrifice.

This was such a good conversation! There are so many people trying to defend what the lds church believes and they're so far off in their doctrine that it's painful to watch. I'm so glad they got Brad Wilcox for this cause he actually understands what we believe and how to discuss it.

@bjt7897

Жыл бұрын

I have been a member of the church all of my life, and this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that the LDS church believes in "multiple Gods".

@amyhiatt1177

Жыл бұрын

@@bjt7897 it's been a while since I listened to it, but you may be mishearing it or misunderstanding what's being said. Do you have a time stamp? Since you're a member then you know that we believe in one god, but we also believe we can become like God. Maybe that's what they were talking about?

At 40:00 Brad cracked me up. Way to sum this whole thing up in the way that truly represents that lives we live!

@1exlds90

4 жыл бұрын

Not really salvation doesn't come by being good. Many atheist are charitable and have high morals.

@saltybear8734

4 жыл бұрын

@@1exlds90 As Christ taught in Matt 18: the kingdom of heaven is likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. He forgave his servant ten thousand talents, but his servant would not forgive a fellow servant a hundred pence. His lord said to him "O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses." Forgiveness is given to all who will bow down and worship the Lord. It is not given because a person deserves it. But then, the Lord expects us to serve him well. You cannot separate the Lord's forgiveness from a man's willingness to follow Him and obey His commandments. If you find fault with a single word of this, you either do not understand or do not follow the teachings of Christ. Christians believe this. Latter-Day Saints believe this, because we are Christians. If you think this is not what Latter-Day Saints believe, then either you are mislead, or you are attempting to mislead others. So yes, when Brad says that Mormons have their hands full just trying to not swear, he really means that we are trying to behave as Christ would.

what about Act7:55-56

@1exlds90

4 жыл бұрын

To be filled with spirit is to Know the joy of the Lord. Meaning are salvation is secured in Jesus work for us.

Being an LDS it made me understand the nature of God

@maxstooksberry9458

Жыл бұрын

Can I ask what the nature of God is? Does he have flesh and bone, or is a spirit? Is he the only eternal god, or was there a god(s) before him?

I think this was nice and I wonder why the LDS rep didn’t go into all scriptures that support (which there are) but I thought it was interesting the humility that showed.

I have read the King James version, the Spanish Reyna Valera version, and the JST translation side by side, and the JST translation, is the one that reads hand in hand with the Reyna Valera version, including periods, and comas. Unbelievable! King James has entire paragraphs that were eliminated, but that are found in the JST, and the Reyna Valera. Joseph Smith did not speak Spanish.We thank Thee Oh, God for a prophet! Testimony of a former evangelical.

@seanchaney3086

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Smith revised the KJV, he didn't "restore" anything...

@genac74

5 жыл бұрын

That made know sense whatsoever. Do you know what textual criticism is?

@prayingpatriot8018

5 жыл бұрын

My biggest problem with the Book of Mormon is the numerous anachronisms it suffers, including the obvious plagiarism of the KJV language from a book supposedly to have been written in a time, hundreds of years before the KJV ever existed. From a land to which it had no access to any Old World records relevant to the Torah (OT).

@genac74

5 жыл бұрын

@@prayingpatriot8018 The biggest problem with the book of Mormon is that it doesn't come from God. It misleads people.

@prayingpatriot8018

5 жыл бұрын

+genac74: Um...that is my entire point. The idea that some people assume Mormons are Christians is untrue.

God will bless you both. Communication is what it is the best. Different ways to get to the same place.

@rickdavis2235

4 жыл бұрын

Linda Cook You don't understand Mormonism. They don't believe in the God or the Jesus of the Bible. It's a long story but there's only one way to God and it's not through the Mormon church that contradicts everything the Bible teaches.

@rickdavis2235

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve Sadly true, Steve! Where in the bible does it say that God used to be a man who came to earth to impregnate Mary to produce Jesus, his "brother" Satan, and everyone else? Jesus created Mary and everything else that was created because He is God in the flesh and the Bible tells us that over and over.

@rickdavis2235

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve Linda didn't imply that Mormons were doomed. She pulled an Oprah Winfrey believing that there are many ways to God. Mormons that don't believe in the Trinity or that Christ was God incarnate are doomed.

@rickdavis2235

4 жыл бұрын

@Steve I gotcha now, buddy! lol In her defense, she's just a lost soul who's probably never opened a bible. I find it hard to believe that anyone who has read the bible would become a Mormon or any of the other religions that contradict it. God Bless.

@hopeinchrist9412

3 жыл бұрын

@@rickdavis2235 Where in our doctrine does it say that God impregnate Mary.

@1:11:37 “This life isn’t the last chance for us to learn/grow. That’s good news for parents whose child has committed suicide… it’s a beautiful doctrine that God giving us as many as possible chances. .. That’s only my hope so that I’m very grateful for that doctrine. “ - modified gospel.

Apologia Studios could learn a thing or two from this reconciliation approach. Thanks to these two for avoiding contention!

I often find Protestants hostile towards those that don’t believe as they do. It is sad in this day when we should stick together as allies. They seem to forget that as much as they feel others are in error so do others feel about them. It is good to see people merely having a dialog in a respectful manner.

@Selah57

4 жыл бұрын

cabarete2003 there can only be one truth. One of these positions are a grave error...

@1exlds90

4 жыл бұрын

If Mormons want to stick together with other religions why do the shun members who leave Thier religion and kick out Thier church schools students who join other religions

@deborafrench2316

4 жыл бұрын

They don’t

@rickdavis2235

4 жыл бұрын

@@deborafrench2316 They don't. That's your answer? lol I've talked to Mormons and their biggest fear in leaving the church is family and what will happen to them. Why is it so difficult to get their names removed from the records, sometimes requiring lawyers to get done? You should check out the Wilder Family videos on leaving the church. She was a tenured PhD professor at BYU and her husband was a high priest and they left with their entire family. Why do you suppose that people in such a high position in the church would just up and leave?

@ArsPraestigium

4 жыл бұрын

@@deborafrench2316 Yes, Debora, they do. I grew up in Utah. Only "true" Mormons can enter the temple, others are considered apostates (one of many things Mormons share with Muslims). Anyone is welcome to enter a Jewish Synagogue or Christian Church.

I love Brad and the truth he shares 🤣

@FourofSix

8 ай бұрын

Brad had to apologize and take videos down after sharing “truths”…example Wilcox: "My dear friends, I made a serious mistake last night, and I am truly sorry. The illustration I attempted to use about the timing of the revelation on the priesthood for Black members was wrong.”-Feb 8, 2022

I met brad Wilcox hes so awesome

1:08 Steven Crane: "In essentials, Unity. In non-essentials Liberty. And in all things Love." Brad Wilcox: "How come the Mormons are left out of that?"

@Elizabeth-rk3do

2 ай бұрын

Latter-day Saints are left out because they worship a different God, believe in a different Christ, and teach a different gospel.

I am LDS and enjoyed this discussion but I was a title bummed out that Steve didn’t get to talk more.

@Song-Girl-Still-Singing

5 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Glen.Danielsen

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Perry Why?

@ThomasGirdwoodMusic

4 жыл бұрын

@@Glen.Danielsen Why not?

@Ten25zerosix

4 жыл бұрын

Why? He doesn’t know the truth.. lol he just knows the basics

@3dfymyworld484

4 жыл бұрын

@maxwell these are the words of someone that has no clue of beliefs and only learns from youtube...