Pinning this video here for those who keep saying Safi ain't a Black Dragon (: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZpV50siFhaupm7g.html Hope you all enjoy the content!

@TheSabs-ix1ou

4 ай бұрын

He's legitimately not though, it started as black dragons because the original 3 are literally black dragons, first class dangerous monster yes, black dragon no

@Nacht_Blackbulls

3 ай бұрын

Are gore magalas elder dragons?

@TheSabs-ix1ou

3 ай бұрын

@@Nacht_Blackbulls no, gore are weirdly enough the only unidentified monster, shageru however is an elder dragon

@shantien777

3 ай бұрын

absolute trash what you saying.

@TheSabs-ix1ou

3 ай бұрын

@@shantien777 thanks for noticing I try my best

I swear when Safi opened its eye I thought it was going to monologue about taking Wyverian gold and burn down Astera while saying "I am bio-energy. I. Am. Death!"

It never sits right with me that Dhalamadur isnt considered a Black Dragon. Seeming as its destructive capibilities should be higher than any other Black Dragon

@daviddelapazgil7274

6 ай бұрын

Technically it is. In the lore it's referred (along other titles) as the black mountain serpent. It is also stated that it can destroy entire regions just by moving, making forest and mountains disappear, producing earthquakes and inundations when moving in the ocean, all this would obviously destroy entire cities. Then why it's not considered a black dragon? Literally because it's a serpent. Devs have declared that the "secret" final monsters of each game is created to be a "black dragon" level threat. Let's take for example Akantor, it is stated to fight crimson fatalis just for territory, but it's actually a flying wyvern due to his body, so it is stronger than a regular fatalis. Also Safi was created to be a black dragon but Devs said in a interview that they change his color only because they wanted to add variety and they thought red was cool, as funny as it sounds

@fishnutz5196

6 ай бұрын

@@daviddelapazgil7274 the "secret" end of story bosses as black dragon level threats make sense. Seeming how Shara Ishvalda was shaking the entire New World by moving underground and also the sheer power we see displayed by Giasmagorm in his fight too.

@davetolentino8973

6 ай бұрын

​@@daviddelapazgil7274they made Safi red color because most strong looking designs in MH tends to be black (this probably include Dalamadur and Gogmazios) and also to show the visibility of the remnants back when it was still a Xeno'Jiva.

@daviddelapazgil7274

6 ай бұрын

@@davetolentino8973 yes, it's all that plus what I've said.

@davetolentino8973

6 ай бұрын

@@daviddelapazgil7274 shame.. I'll stick to the lorebook

I appreciate how Iceborne’s three first-classes each invoked both an immediate kill condition and an emphasised weakness. It highlighted both how much more dangerous they were whilst still affirming their mortality. Hopefully Dire Miralis is next to get a revamp, be 6th Gen’s superboss.

@coldfire-blitz3122

3 ай бұрын

I want to see Dire Miralis hunt and fight a young Zorah Magdaros, to show off who's the stronger volcano monster and show off Zorahs deathnuke

There's a bit of misinformation to disseminate, so let's go over it all: - While "Black Dragon" is applicable, their true shared group is *Forbidden Monsters* in reference to how their members never had info given about them in marketing prior to the 5th generation - The Guild at large never burned records on the Forbidden Monsters, it was a small group within it that only did so for the records on Alatreon - Safi'jiiva isn't a Black Dragon or Forbidden Monster, but an entirely new one known as the "Red Dragon" to contrast Fatalis and the Black Dragons - "White" Fatalis is officially known as *Old Fatalis* nowadays

@bigbaz4632

6 ай бұрын

Isn’t the real group Dangerous First Class Monster? The one in which Fatty, Ala, Dire and Safi are all in?

@davetolentino8973

6 ай бұрын

Yeah only wiki categorized Safi as one and it's in presumed list not an officially declared one there's so many misinformations in this community.

@ivarramirezpaulsen8212

6 ай бұрын

​@@bigbaz46320:18

@ChronoPinoyX

6 ай бұрын

The term "Forbidden Dragon" is not a term used in the actual in-world setting of MH. That was a term used by the dev team to specify a group of monsters (the Black Dragons) that they are literally forbidden from talking about under any capacity in any of their promo materials. This was covered by Gaijinhunter's Forbidden Monsters video which covers the developers notes on the subject hence why I never used the term here as its a Developer Terminology, not one that's actually used in the game's lore. As for the burning of records, the Third Fleet Master says in Iceborne they burnt records because they "Feared the Old Gods" (plural) which is what they also referred to the other Black Dragons (Dire Miralis is also considered a devil as well) The Safi'jiiva aspect is something I also covered in an old video: Old Black Dragon vs New Red Dragon. This was originally just a hypothesis because we didn't know why Alatreon entered the New World until the Dive Into Iceborne Book released (which I can grab the info from if needed), that said Safi'jiiva's "presumed" status is a Fandom thing, I grabbed the info I had of how Safi is meant to be an opposite of Fatalis right off the book (with Safi actually having an original Black Dragon design) which makes it in the Black Dragon category as this category doesn't necessarily mean the dragon itself is black in colour, being linked to other Black Dragons puts them in the group as they are known under the Dangerous First Class monsters name as well Old Fatalis name has been around since MH2, both White and Old Fatalis have been used for ages

@kingofflames738

5 ай бұрын

​@@ChronoPinoyXThe ingame terminology used for them and many other such monsters like Dala, Amatsu or Narwa, is "Calamity Class Elder Dragon". It was used within Rise a few times and is the highest official canon threat level. In Iceborne the Third Fleet Master tells us that a group of weird people came up to her telling her to fear the old gods. They're not the guild, they're the group that's hidden within the guild. The guild would like nothing more than to collect as much knowledge about Alatreon as possible. Those robed people are against it. Safi is Calamity Class.

They're not called Black Dragons. Those are officially known as Forbidden Monsters. There is only ONE "Legendary Black Dragon" and that's Fatalis. The others only have Black Dragon in their title because they were mistaken for Fatalis. Dangerous First Class is a fan made term. The games and books never called them that. The only official classification is "Calamity Class Elder Dragon" which is the highest official class. It also includes the likes of Narwa, the Morahns, Dalamadur, Amatsu, Gaismagorm and other such monsters.

@justsolcastle406

5 ай бұрын

First Class Dangerous is an official term, people just use it wrong. In Monster Hunter Tri they call Alatreon a First Class Dangerous monster, but Alatreon is pretty explicitly the weakest of the forbidden monsters so this “tier” barely means anything.

@kingofflames738

5 ай бұрын

@@justsolcastle406 nope, they actually don't. You won't ever see Dangerous First Class ever used.

@devilbananalol2800

5 ай бұрын

@@justsolcastle406 First class dangerous taxonomy has NEVER been used in any game

@theblackflag

5 ай бұрын

Bruh fatalis have other skin. White fatalis

@ryakuthearmynekodude

5 ай бұрын

Well acTuAlLy 🤓☝🏻

Safi'jiiva is one of the best Elder Dragons to ever exist, I hope Capcom will make more Elder Dragons like him in the future.

@kennethsatria6607

6 ай бұрын

We have yet to see the other dragons of the legend of the sapphire star, itd be nice to see the green dragon

@Blazegaming-te7li

6 ай бұрын

@@kennethsatria6607 the emerald star

@serenity3157

6 ай бұрын

​@@kennethsatria6607I also kinda hope they made a non siege on his fight.

@yikes6969

6 ай бұрын

hopefully not because fighting a dragon that just stands in place while swiping its claws and trying to bite you is boring. Plus his super ultimate attack can be avoided by simply standing behind a little rock.

@briansbowls5738

6 ай бұрын

@@yikes6969 and? other super attacks are avoided by just superman diving

I hope we continue to get a balance of reimagined and original monsters in 6th gen, including black dragons. I loved that we got not only Alatreon... not only Fatalis, but Safijiiva. A completely original monster of such immense power. I'd love to see Dire Miralis get a second chance, but I'd love to see new designs even more.

“6th generation monster Hunter coming soon” it got announced like a couple hours after this video went up LMAO

@ChronoPinoyX

6 ай бұрын

I call that perfect scheduling (:

The fact that gogmazios isn't a black dragon is outrageous

@shantien777

3 ай бұрын

HE IS. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4mHr5hymJachqw.html

@voltagelagiacrus5410

8 күн бұрын

He is, the guy just didn’t put him in this video for some reason 💀

Love Fatalis man. Fighting him in the first game and mhw always felt like fighting the very pinnacle of everything. Have always wanted to fight white and crimson. Hopefully one of thosr will make it into wilds.

I wonder what category Gaismagorm and Shara Ishvalda fall under. Of course Elder Dragon, but they seen maybe on par with some of the Forbidden Monsters

@MurasakiRenn2006

4 ай бұрын

Probably on calamity class

Dire miralis is such a gem

So dalamadur and gogamzios not in the list? One is a snake that makes everest look like a ant hill for it to how big it is And the other spits oil that become nukes at will with plasma beams.

@shantien777

3 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4mHr5hymJachqw.html THEY ARE. This vid is just crap

Sigh. This is why this community is in a mess of misinformation. Black dragons are not a thing and never have been. First of all they were called forbidden monsters which consisted of (fatalis alatreon and dire miralis). This was not a power class just final bosses that were not ever advertised. After the 15th anniversary forbidden monsters were done away with. In terms of power and tiering they are all calamity class elder dragons in which all final bosses consist of. So every final boss like giasmagorm amatsu and shara are on the same tier as "black dragons". The misinformation has to stop and youtubers need to be the ones to do it

@kingofflames738

5 ай бұрын

Can't agree more.

@faking2221

5 ай бұрын

Agree

@Xero-rr2ol

4 ай бұрын

except they arent. they are all far stronger then the rest. Fatalis "The black dragon". alatreon "blazing black dragon". dire miralis "Smelting black dragon". Black dragons are a thing as by their titles.

@mr.breadman4181

3 ай бұрын

​@@Xero-rr2ol Exactly like if it ain't a thing then why the fuck are all the most powerful dragons called the Black dragon their name or a variation of that

@zinnia6997

Ай бұрын

​@@Xero-rr2olExcept when it doesn't, like Safi and the Fatalis variants

It warms my heart to see Safi finally being recognized as a black dragon level monster......now it's just amatsu and dalamadur left

@yikes6969

6 ай бұрын

He shouldnt. His weak ass ultimate cant even break a little rock.

@nunocampea2395

6 ай бұрын

i love Spahi by the fact that if it was left alone it could evolve even further and could probably take on Fatalis

@thierrycarlow3810

6 ай бұрын

Its painful because all final bosses are around "black dragon level"

@crossfire4691

5 ай бұрын

@@thierrycarlow3810 gogmazios, akantor and athal ka aren't

@SobBaget602

5 ай бұрын

@@nunocampea2395 can already, he is pretty much a counter

Next MH should make the appearance of the "girl in the white robe" or the "scarlet mystery man" because they gave us the most sus quests in old monster hunter games and that includes the Forbidden Monsters.

the legend of the 6-horned fatalis may yet one day grace reality... ...and may we hope to survive the calamity that follows

Very nice video, you should also cut it into shorts for extra content

My favorite part of the black dragon lore is that Alatreon is a complete outlier even there. I believe Dire Miralis was classified as a black dragon due to some perceived relation with Fatalis(same skeleton, and Fatalis and Miralis are similar in terms of naming convention). But then, there’s Alatreon, who’s just… really, absurdly destructive. He popped up on scene, was so cataclysmic that the guild went “oh fuck” and branded him a forbidden god.

Just an addition to specify things a little bit more. Technically speaking the concept of black dragons its a fan invention made by the existence of fatalis, alatreon and dire miralis for the mere motive of being black colored. The only moment in MH history where devs have used this therm was in a interview where they specified that safi was designed originally to be black coloured but they made him red to contrast with fatalis because they also wanted to be his contrapart, but they are equivalent in therms of power. In reality most "final secret monsters" are made to be a "black dragon threat level", the problem here is that a lot of people have romanticised fatalis and the black dragon category a lot. They usually use the history of how a fatalis destroyed Schrade to determine his power but keep in mind one thing, as impresive as it could sound, it only consist on destroying one single region and we have the same examples with other monsters. Is stated that Dalamadur can vanish entire mountains and cities just by moving, Amatsu can pull entire forests to the sky just by being there, a ceadeus youngling who was compared to a kid who is still growing his teeth can produce massive earthquakes, even Akantor have notes referencing that it doesn't have any natural predators and his only threat are Crimson Fatalis, who fights him only for territory. The only ones who are not that powerful are maybe Gogmazios and probably some other monsters who I can't remember right now. We need to remember that the answer to why other monsters doesn't attack cities at that scale like fatalis did it's literally stated in the lore. Normally none monster would attack any city on purpose unless it have a very specific motive and fatalis motive was because white fatalis commanded him to do it during the great old war, because humans where a threat to the ecosystem due to overhunting and colonization. The same occured with Safi for example, Alatreon went to the new world because he was also a threat to the global ecosystem.

@drpepp.

6 ай бұрын

Ok where you have the Info that the White fatalis commanded Black fatalis? Since i know Black fatalis attacked castle schrade due its hate for humans

@oriondye3212

6 ай бұрын

Its the older lore. They have since retconned it along with the existence of the ancient civilization.

@drpepp.

6 ай бұрын

@@oriondye3212 ohh ok that makes sense then

@daviddelapazgil7274

6 ай бұрын

It's the older lore yes, but since we don't have any information about why fatalis was in the castle in iceborne we can only attach to this information until something new comes up. Anyway, supposedly, the only retcon we had recently was the confirmation about us killing fatalis in older games being non canonical and being the one in iceborne the first canon fatalis killed. If you are curious this comes from the great old war history, basically humans were too broken and started to overhunt monsters, due to this the strongest monsters made an alliance and fought back organised against humans. The leader of this group was white fatalis. At one moment humans made an amalgamation of monsters and mechanical parts called the equal dragon weapon. This aberration was so powerful that it was necessary for white fatalis to fight it, being successful at destroying it but getting injured at the process. Then, some strong monsters were sent to different powerful human countries to destroy them, monsters like fatalis and probably alatreon as we saw in iceborne new lore. The first fatalis sent to Schrade failed his attack and fled to recover, but white fatalis sent another one, the one we fought later on, the first fatalis felt betrayed and retired to a volcano core transforming into a stronger crimson fatalis variant. These monsters are known right now as "forbidden monsters" because nobody has seen them since the old war, so who knows if there are more monsters who participate in this war. There are some theories about these powerful monsters not showing up in recent times being for example that they are still recovering from the war or that they decided to not intervene with humans until it is necessary again but these are just theories.

@deathclawproductions6723

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@daviddelapazgil7274While yes technically the only retcon was that Fatalis was never fought until world, that’s mostly because the whole “Equal Dragon Weapon” thing is a scrapped concept from the first game that never made it in, with the Dragon War also falling to that category as well.

He wheeled all the elements. He’s basically the avatar.

am i crazy for wishing Disufiroa was canon to the black dragon lineage? he's an absolute freak but i cant help but love him for how he is in Frontier

"Likely coming in the future". My brother in Christ they literally revealed it at the game awards

Absolutely awesome video! But there’s one monster I’ve always wondered about. “The Akantor” it’s described as a “Black God” does that mean it’s also a legendary black dragon?

@Darkwarp1994

3 ай бұрын

Nope it's class as a flying wyvern including ukanlos dispite how humongous they are plus akantor is said to be related to tigrex through an ancient ancestor they share

Hey, its been a while!

Frontier has it's own Dangerous First Class Monsters in Merphistophelin and Dhisu Fiora. Merphi is like Alatreon and can control every element, while Dhisu can control it's own unique element known only as "Frozen Seraphim" which is a combo of Ice, Fire, and Dragon all at once.

My biggest MonHun headcanon is that there are a series of ultradragons called red dragons, and are very much like black dragons but instead of focusing on death they focus on life. Where black dragons are all about destruction and the falling of life, red dragons are all about renewal and the cycle of life. I think that Safi’Jiiva is the first recorded red dragon, and that Gaismagorm might be one as well. They’re both focused on recycling and destruction moving upwards, and it makes them very, very different foes from black dragons.

@myriad8275

Ай бұрын

Safi’s reasoning for needing to be killed was because it’s existence drains the life energy of everything around it, leaving it a barren wasteland. That doesn’t really help a cycle and seems pretty destructive

gaismagorm: welp, he dint think that i'm a black dragon as well

up to this day dire miralis theme hits diff

so, u said white fatalis is literally coming from another dimension through the eclipse of the sun and moon together ? what if all fatalis comes from that supposed dimension ? or I dunno its complicated :(

@davetolentino8973

5 ай бұрын

this is from the lorebook A Black Dragon whose name is left in legend as the threat that destroyed a country.What's the truth of history handed down as a legend? Where does it appear from, what kind of creature is it, and for what? It's hard for me to believe that it lives in Castle Schrade. I wonder if it transcends time and space and puts itself in a distortion. It's hard for me to believe it, but I've heard some outlandish rumours about someone suggesting a connection to another world somewhere in the desert. However, if a similar event were to occur in Schrade, the more I thought about it, the deeper my devotion would become. With the appearance of the Black Dragon, the world line where it was repelled from, and the possibility of creating a world line that couldn't be achieved... Assuming the existence of a parallel world that's different from historical facts, it makes sense to me that it's a fairy tale. I would also like to consider the reason why it's related to Humans. (From a memoir of a person who manages a certain letter)

Did I miss some dialogue in iceborne? When was safi classified as a first class monster?

@elk3407

5 ай бұрын

The Iceborne lorebook Capcom put out. He's supposed to be a rival to Fatalis, and because World was a reimaging of MH1 he acts as the Fatalis of the new world. Even his seige is supposed to call back to the time limited Fatalis seige events of MH1. Safi was even supposed to be black at first before they realized almost every single one of their most powerful monsters are black

@irateamatsu

5 ай бұрын

@@elk3407 ah I see. I need to get my hands on one of those.

Imagine if alatreon got a variant which was called Avatar Alatreon able to use all elements at once and highly resistant to all elements but not immune but just all at one star in hunter note’s meaning nearly immune

@drewwilson9938

5 ай бұрын

They’d have to make escaton dodgable then

@Fenyxclips

5 ай бұрын

That would be an intense fight!

@nightingale8395

5 ай бұрын

Fr

There are 2 more black dragons but infomation is scarce in terms of lore: Disufiora and Merphistopholin.

@SobBaget602

5 ай бұрын

not canon yet

@Dragnarok1

5 ай бұрын

@@SobBaget602 heh "yet".

@YJDDK_7Zodiac

5 ай бұрын

Sad

@YJDDK_7Zodiac

5 ай бұрын

Idk why they're not cannon

@Dragnarok1

5 ай бұрын

@@YJDDK_7Zodiac capcom has the rights to them. Give them time.

Imagine if Saphi could evolve even further, gaining black scales and emiting a pure white glow. And now imagine that it can take on Fatalis and win. my friends i present to you The Great Userper

@bluepaw7

5 ай бұрын

no. it's not gonna evolved again. Red is its final form. and i heard that Red dragons is already on par with the Black dragons. so maybe we can expect another Red dragons coming in the next installment.

@Fenyxclips

5 ай бұрын

Would take a Blue Dragon to be added into the mix.

@xunnian5305

5 ай бұрын

@@bluepaw7 I hard that the Xeno from MHW is actually the special Jiva to ever exist because of the environment it was born in. If it were ever to reach the state of maturity, ie Safi, it would most likely be at the level of crimson Fatalis if not White Fatalis considering that a regular Safi from IB is already at the same level as the Fatalis.

@bluepaw7

5 ай бұрын

@@xunnian5305 nah. It is matured in iceborne. The one we fought and fell to the void in mhw wasn't dead. They just flee to secluded valley and choose to metamorphed there.

@xunnian5305

5 ай бұрын

​@@bluepaw7 The Safi is just another entity that happens to reach maturity, while the Xeno is confirmed to be slain by the hunter, I think it's mentioned in the game either through a cutscene or dialog, can't remember.

Video about black dragons and puts safijiva?? Alright then even with a quick Google search you can see that safijiva isn't one and it can be taken down by top class hunters and first class monsters. Would've made more sense to add Merphistophelin and its elemental version.

@elk3407

5 ай бұрын

False. He's literally set up as an equal rival to Fatalis. Cry about it

@kadajhunter5940

5 ай бұрын

@elk3407 did i strike a nerve? I'm only stating facts. Until capcom gives it the actual title of black dragon to safi he shouldn't be on the list even if he's "rival" to fatalis. Like i said, merphistophelin would've been a better pick since it's an actual black dragon.

@elk3407

5 ай бұрын

@@kadajhunter5940 Black dragon isn't even a title Capcom uses in the first place.

@kadajhunter5940

5 ай бұрын

@elk3407 Yeah, it's more of a fan thing than anything else, and the person who made the video should retitled it to just first-class monsters rather than blackdragons.

@kingofflames738

5 ай бұрын

Yup, its title isnt Black Dragon, it is Red Dragon. It is around equal to the likes of Fatalis, Dalamadur, Amatsu, Narwa, etc. because all of them are Calamity Class Elder Dragons which is the highest classification of Elder Dragon there officially is. It's stated directly in Rise before/after one of the Narwa hunts.

isn't safi a elder dragon. I'm pretty sure they said he's the teen version of xeno and the adult would possibly be able to be classified as a black dragon

@sephirotten2413

22 күн бұрын

In the iceborne book it said safi has power rival to fatalis and the devs made him red because they are tired of making black dragons

What about the Black Dragons in Frontier?

Interestingly; White Fatalis’s official name has been revealed by Capcom. It is now Old Fatalis.

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

Seems like they're currently sticking with Old Fatalis. All materials originally had "Wht" or "W" on their names to indicate "White" Fatalis, then they replaced it in 4th Gen to "O" for Old Fatalis. Both are still valid and I personally prefer to go with the colour naming they had (:

I hope wilds gives us something new to look forward to.

Why isnt zorah magdaros on the list? His energy created a hole ecosystem and he has also massive destructive abilities, tho he doesn't use it that much

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

Despite the Zorah Magdaros being known to potentially cause mass destruction if it ever ended up dying, it's a case very similar to a volcano erupting. Zorahs aren't inherently destructive by nature, Black Dragons are. Black Dragons purposely cause destruction hence they are considered genuinely "evil" by many, Zorah Magdaros actually promote life by releasing bioenergy to nature upon death to promote new life, they just need to do it in a safe place as opposed to an already existing ecosystem (Guiding Lands is likely a case of a dead Zorah becoming a new region)

@Darkwarp1994

3 ай бұрын

In simple version of chrono reply think of zorah like one of the versions of godzilla it doesn't care where it's going and is only dangerous to those who stand in its way by mistake or if you do something that makes it want to attack you

Cool

Unnatural history channel is going to have a hard time explaining these guys.

@athos9293

6 ай бұрын

He just can't seem to acccept that Monster Hunter is a phantasy game which contains things that were never meant to be explained biologically

@athos9293

6 ай бұрын

Some things. The majority was

I know savigiva was in a craxy lore but was it really classified as a black dragon

@grogmadman522

5 ай бұрын

No it wasn't

@rashanmcrae9166

5 ай бұрын

@@grogmadman522 i thought so

@Darkwarp1994

3 ай бұрын

Everyone just assumes it is due to its lore saying it might be as strong and could rival fatalis but I rather have an offical classification just to put this debate to bed and I'll agree with whatever said

the timing

Altough they are not part of the main series, there's 2 more coming from Frontier and Online, Dhisufiroa and Merphistophelim

Hey, you’re missing Disufiroa. Hmmph

@firenze6478

5 ай бұрын

And merphistophelin

@Darkwarp1994

3 ай бұрын

I think he going by main series games only online and frontier sadly aren't main series monster hunter games

Safi'jiiva is classified as a Black Dragon as well? HOORAY!!!!

@KyloB

6 ай бұрын

Was confirmed by capcom a while ago in one of the encyclopedias for gen 5, they didn't specifically say it was a black dragon, however they said they created Safi to be an equal and direct rival to fatalis. Which for all intents and purposes, means it fits into that category.

@madambutterfly1997

6 ай бұрын

@@KyloB technically Safi'jiiva is the Elder to Rule them All

@KyloB

6 ай бұрын

@@madambutterfly1997 don't know if I'd push it that far, I only go off official info. Speculation tends to muddy the waters.

@Darkwarp1994

3 ай бұрын

​@@KyloB first off i mean zero offense for this reply but that's mainly going by speculation due to it not being said outright plus going by main versions of them all black dragons have something black dragon on their titles but safi doesn't which is the main reason I won't see safi as one unless capcom outright says it instead of everyone assuming outright just because it's as strong lore wise as fatalis it's my view and getting outright said by capcom yes its a black dragon dispite it's title is the only way that view is going to change so again I mean no offense to this reply

@amaurygatelier1157

3 ай бұрын

It isn't. But it's said to rival them so it kinda belongs on the list regardless

aside from Savi Jiva the Red Dragon, I'm kinda disappointed that no other titled Black Dragon introduced after Dire Miralis, I really loved fighting all of them across generations and platforms

Question if safi is a black dragon does that mean xeno is as well? Xeno IS a baby safi I think it could be in a new category like minor black dragon where it can become a black dragon but at the time doesn’t have the power to be considered one

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

In this case no. Whilst Xeno is a baby form of Safi, it doesn't have the same innate abilities to make it the same level as Black Dragons. It can evolve into a Black Dragon, but it by itself is not. Works the same way as Gore Magala not being considered as a fully fledged Elder Dragon until it becomes Shagaru Magala.

@JayoplaysGames

5 ай бұрын

@@ChronoPinoyXyeah that was what I was thinking also thanks

What about the King of Elderdragons Guanzorumu?

Im not sure but isnt Dalamadur a Black Dragon?

By the way you forgot two other black dragons Disufiroa and Merphistophelin. Disufiroa comes from monster hunter frontier and Merphistophelin is from monster hunter online

safii's a special case, he has the power of a black dragon for sure but isn't categorised as one, he's instead refered to as a red dragon, the difference is negligeable however there's one thing safi has that the other elders and black dragons don't, it's complete control of bio energy which kindda relates to dragon energy, but it's also why it is weak to it, now bio energy is kindda just the "essence of wyverns and dragons that died" and is a bit BS overall, but it's cool to see a monster able to fully take advantage of it, might be able to tank a fatalis though the matchup would depend on if the environment is rich in energy or not

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

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I would love to fight Safi but why did they make it a seige and not like fatalis. I killed fatalis and Alatreon so much but never safi once 😭

@pootytangluvr619

5 ай бұрын

They did lessen the requirements for Safi and he's now able to be solo'd. He just takes several hunts as you get his power "down".

I liked the part where anywhere it has been said Safi jobs being s black dragon but still is on this video

@SobBaget602

5 ай бұрын

he's on their lvl

@ivasanchezify

5 ай бұрын

@@SobBaget602 true but that does put in the category

And fun fact : THEY ALL REALLY FUN TO FIGHT.

white fatalis is canonically called old fatalis now

@Xero-rr2ol

4 ай бұрын

same thing

I never see any love for gogmazios

@firenze6478

5 ай бұрын

A nigh unkillable exploding tar dragon who shook off a dragonator and wore it like a decoration. The same kind of dragonater used to tear into monsters like white fatalis

@xTGRxREAPER

5 ай бұрын

@@firenze6478 yup the one and only

@Superfammucon

9 күн бұрын

He is the coolest!! Nothing hits like proof of a hero after the dragon cannon went off

Safi is not been know as a black dragon yet

Wait Safi is a black dragon? I thought she was just a really strong elder dragon

u are missing some like Disufiroa and Merphistophelin

@firenze6478

5 ай бұрын

I like you. Always felt that the nigh unkillable tar monster gogmazios and the mountain destroing snake shah dalamadur should have been black dragons too

Safi jiva should be a Red Dragon right?

These all the BBCs?

Merphistophelin and Disufiroa 0_o

Fatalis, Angry Fatalis, Old Fatalis... and the others

You forgot the merphistophelin , and isn't the Amastu a black dragon ?

So… one of these things is not like the others… safi’jiva was explicitly stated to be the red dragon an equivalent to fatalis but not a black dragon

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

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but....but you forgot Disufiroa

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

Frontier monster, not mainline unfortunately so I didn't add to the list (plus I lack the necessary sources regarding its full ecology)

Monsters are only considered Black Dragons is because they were originally confused as the original Black Dragon Fatalis. Alatreon at first was first confused to be Fatalis but it obviously wasn't, and all of them have "Black Dragon" in their titles, "Blazing Black Dragon" "Smelting Black Dragon" etc. Safi was never confused to be Fatalis nor does it have a "Black Dragon" title so it isn't a part of the same group

I never see any love for gogmazioz

5:48 correction it’s the teenager form

It was hell just hell😢 and pain

i dont know if safi was officially classified as black dragon

@daviddelapazgil7274

6 ай бұрын

He isn't a black dragon because he is red, no pun intended, the devs literally said this xD. In an interview they declared that in the process of making Safi he was black coloured at the beginning, but they also wanted Safi to be a contrapart to fatalis, so they decided to make Safi red to emphasize this contrast and to differ them, but Safi is a black dragon in intention and concept. Basically fatalis is the king of monsters and Safi jiva is a demon who came of the sky to destroy everything (if you know safi ecology you know what I meant).

@davetolentino8973

6 ай бұрын

Because it's not

@leoxgamer1342

6 ай бұрын

@@daviddelapazgil7274 you don’t have to be black to be a black dragon it’s a tidal not really a literal description

@daviddelapazgil7274

6 ай бұрын

@@leoxgamer1342 the "black dragon" concept is only a fan thing, it has never being used by the Devs before 5th gen when they where talking about Safi as I said and they weren't even using the concept as a category of monsters. Literally the black dragons are named that way (by the fan base) because they are black coloured and extremely powerful referencing also the title of fatalis who is "the black dragon", there are even monsters black coloured like akantor that haven't been counted by the fan base as black dragons or extremely powerful monsters like amatsu who aren't also black dragons, so the concept of black dragons have been romanticised a lot and usually it only leads the fans to misconceptions. If we want to use "official categories" the correct way to call these monsters is "dangerous first-class monsters" for monsters like the secret final bosses (Shara, dalamadur, amatsu, etc...) or some special variants or regular monsters and "forbidden monsters" for monsters like fatalis, alatreon, miralis and very few more ones, the forbidden stuff is because of their lore basically. So if we put ourselves the most accurately possible black dragons don't even exist

@yikes6969

6 ай бұрын

@@daviddelapazgil7274 safi came to destroy everything but his ultimate cant even break a little rock

Alright hear me out i think behemoth is a black dragon/first class monster it has control over magic, multiple elements, and can summon a huge meteor that kills everyone caught in the blast

@bokadam2851

19 күн бұрын

No, its not even part of the lore so why would it be classed as a black dragon 🤨

@broodi1291

10 күн бұрын

behemoth isnt even a dragon and isnt in monster hunter universe lol he is just a collab came from final fantasy 14

@VoxTek426

10 күн бұрын

@@broodi1291 fair point

You forgot merphistophelin

did i read the words "black" and "white fatalis" right? regular fatalis is black, crimson is (mostly) red and safi is also red and white fatalis is - who would have thought - white and not black if anything you could argue that kushala is black, even though it is more silver and grey but what

When did capcom confirmed that safi'jiva is a black dragon? LoL

Safijiiva is NOT a black dragon. It is no where stated officially that it is a black dragon, only that it's visual design was inspired by fatalis.

@planelattice2783

5 ай бұрын

They were referring to its quest design being similar to fatalis’s in mh1 rather than visual but you’re correct about your first statement.

@Jpmrocks7

5 ай бұрын

@@planelattice2783 Then they did a horrible job at recreating the fight from MH1, cause Safi is nothing like MH1 fatty, outside of "realistic dragon".

@planelattice2783

5 ай бұрын

@@Jpmrocks7 I’m talking about quest design not it’s fight, in mh1 you had to do up to 4 fatalis quests to slowly drain his hp and then kill him in the 4th quest, each quest had 20 minutes and you could kill him in the 2nd or 3rd quest if you dealt enough damage with your team. They took this structure and copy pasted it for safi’jiiva with some tweaks.

Technically speaking, the black dragons are better known as the forbidden monsters as others have stated. Only a few of them have the actual moniker of "black dragon" in their English title. Dire miralis is the "smelting black dragon," Alatreon is the "blazing black dragon," and normal fatalis is simply and most poeticly "Black Dragon." While white fatalis is a forbidden monster you can't really call him a black dragon, his English title is "Ancestral Dragon." He also more commonly known as "Old Fatalis." Safi is also not a black dragon, he's classed as a new type, known as "Red Dragon." Granted allot of this is pure conjecture from player hypothesis as the devs have given no known information on the black dragons as they are true to their names "forbidden monsters." Always a fun topic to discuss though.

The strongest black dragon is the white one.

@yasosubi

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, lighter skin is better

When was safi ever considered a black? And if we count online games you missed two official (but non-mainline) black dragons.

How is Gog not a black dragon?

Didn't they confirm safi isn't a black dragon?

Safi isnt a black dragon clasification

Alatreon are easy but the problem is the nuke😂

Where is disufoara and merphistothilin

safi is so fucking cool

Fun fact. Safi Jiva and Xeno Juva are straight up aliens to the world of minster hunter as jn their origins are not from that planet

@mudshrooze

4 ай бұрын

Frick my stupid thumbs clicking the wrong letters

Heroes Of Might and Magic

Dire mira is a black dragon safi isn’t it’s was trying to become one though

Safi is not a black dragon. It’s a contender but not a black dragon. Also for those who played dragons dogma will notice how similar it looks to the main red dragon of that story

@rohangardiner

5 ай бұрын

It's a first class dangerous monster. The group black dragons are included in

@bluepaw7

5 ай бұрын

@@rohangardiner true. but it is a red dragon. and maybe there will be more red dragons in the future just like black dragons.

@kingdamazo7266

5 ай бұрын

​@@rohangardinerIt's still not a Black Dragon

@haramberoth117

5 ай бұрын

​@@kingdamazo7266it's not a literal fucking thing jesus. Just like not all monsters are wyvens. God he's a black dragon level threat

@deathfromthedepths

5 ай бұрын

​@@kingdamazo7266Point is that Black Dragon is a fan classification.

I Know Some People Might have Complained with Rise Sunbreak not having a "Black Dragon" but i Believe the Canon is Tier Class one Monsters With Safi Jivva in Icebrone I Personally Believe Gaismagorm is a Tier Class 1 Monsters Vocals in it's theme Destroy Ecosystem into Dead Emepty wastelands with the Qiruo and having the Lore being the Fairytale of "The Archdemon of the Abyss" Even the Qiruo keep on going after the Monster Death and Making Other Monsters go Insanely Powerfully needing the best Gear to Take Down ECT

Wait so Gogmazios isn't a black dragon??

@user-dr7bh4xg3u

6 ай бұрын

No hes known as the giant halbert dragon

@kingofflames738

5 ай бұрын

It's in the same class as the ones with the title Black Dragon. Calamity Class Elder Dragons.

@camil3545

5 ай бұрын

Well for starters, Gog is actually Blue underneath all the tar.

@kenmillete8552

5 ай бұрын

@@camil3545 now thats something i want to see

@firenze6478

5 ай бұрын

He’s easily the most durable for not even reacting to being stabbed with a dragonator and effortlessly carrying it in his shoulders for years

The game devs specifically said Safi isn’t a black dragon. He was originally going to be a black dragon but they decided a new gen deserved a new color. So while Safi is a first class monster, he’s actually a red dragon. Not a black dragon. Developer statement; “Safi’jiiva is designed as the equal/counterpart/rival of Fatalis. They wanted to make another Siege fight where you could cooperate with other players, and came up with the idea of depleting energy levels. In terms of design, they wanted to make an equal of Fatalis, while also giving the surprise that “this is what Xeno’jiiva will look like as an adult!”. When they design monsters that look really strong, they tend to end up black-colored, so they made Safi’jiiva red instead to change things up. They wanted it to look like a simple dragon rather than a very original creature design.”

@davetolentino8973

5 ай бұрын

Quite different from this.. it doesn't state any equal/counterpart thing. (PRODUCTION NOTE - Kaname Fujioka) In "MHW:IB" as well, I wanted to include a new Siege with 16 players. Therefore, Kulve Taroth and he changed their minds, skipped the preparation stage of collecting traces, and implemented it until they cooperated only in battle. However, I didn't like the fact that you can only play with people who are good at it, so I used depleting the earth vein energy and let them go to the deepest part, so even if you didn't fight directly, you could hurt them or throw them out their breath. The system allows each player to contribute, even if it's just by letting them play. The reason we put it in at the time was that we wanted to provide end content that would change the perspective of the player, such as Awakening weapons, rather than just collecting materials. In designing it, I wanted to create the surprise of "This is what Xeno'jiiva looks like when it's grown up". but at the same time, I wanted it to be The Dragon, the rival of Fatalis. However, when it comes to strong-looking designs, it tends to be a black colour, so instead, he decided to try a different colour that can be described in one word, and he took on the challenge of creating art from the word Red Dragon. I made it so that you can see her faintly, and you can feel the remnants of her from the days of Xeno'jiiva. So, rather than originality, he's aiming for a simple dragon statue of her.

@zorro8027

5 ай бұрын

@@davetolentino8973 So you got the direct translation? Nice. Yeah the equal/counterpart/rival was because the translation I used wasn’t too sure about which they used. Either way, Safi is a rival to Fatalis, and is not a black dragon by design purposes. Thanks man.

@davetolentino8973

5 ай бұрын

@@zorro8027 no problem..Fatalis wasn't planned for Iceborne anyway so instead they created a large dragon that looks like a stereotypical dragon like Fatalis so he's a rival by design, lorewise Safi's rival is Alatreon.

@DCompani13

5 ай бұрын

This was the comment I was looking for.

@bluhmer1990

5 ай бұрын

@@davetolentino8973 What is your source?

im like 90% sure safi aint a black dragon

@davetolentino8973

6 ай бұрын

Yeah.. the official term is Forbidden Monsters. Safi's literally the opposite of them there's nothing forbidden about him .

Black Dragons aren't even a legit category bro. Alatreon, Fatalis and Dire are all just forbidden monster and Safi is not in forbidden category. Try not to spread misinformation next time.

Where's Gogmazios?

@firenze6478

5 ай бұрын

That unkillable tar monster should totally be a black dragon along with shah dalamadur

@firenze6478

5 ай бұрын

He also didn’t add disofiroa and merphistophelin

Safi isn't considered a black dragon.

@ChronoPinoyX

5 ай бұрын

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