Alina Pash-Tini Zabutykh Predkiv (Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors) Reaction -Withdrawn Ukranian Entry
MTR takes a look at Eurovision 2022 Winning Ukranian song, which withdrew! Alina Pash, тіні забутих предків, Tini Zabutykh Predkiv (Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors) will NOT represent Ukraine in Eurovision 2022, for individualistic geo-political reasons. This song hits hard, and it's a disappointment that we won't be seeing this on the Eurovision Stage in 2022.
🇺🇦🇺🇦 💙💛 🇺🇦🇺🇦 I STAND WITH UKRAINE 🇺🇦🇺🇦 💙💛 🇺🇦🇺🇦
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WOW! VERY UNIQUE. NOW I KNOW WHY RUSSIA WAS BLOCKING UKRAINE FROM THE WORLD. UKRAINE IS FANTASTICALLY TALENTED AND BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU, GREAT WORLD FOR YOUR SUPPORT. WOW.
@GamePosition
Жыл бұрын
envy(
@live2020__
Жыл бұрын
Дякуємо!💙💛
Талантливый народ в Украине! Красивые и мощные голоса, сколько в них силы, боли! Слава Украине и ее героям! Победы над фашистами-рашистами. 💙💛
@tati8577
2 жыл бұрын
Гeроям Слава!
I always cry too when I listen to this song
Remember the ancestors but write your own history That has to be one of THE BEST use of quotes in the HISTORY of modern music. This literally made me feel PROUD of my heritage, my origins, my ancestral blood. It's not JUST ABOUT UKRAINE and their ancestors...it's about us ALL! And I connect to this song. yes, I don't understand ukrainian, I don't speak it...BUT I FREAKING FEEL IT! Goosebumps.
@user-lp1qr9ns6y
Жыл бұрын
🧡
@user-hc3zc8md5l
6 ай бұрын
🇺🇦🫶🏻❤️
Доброго вечора, ми з України!💙💛Glory to Ukraine!
Ukraine 🇺🇦 the Best 👌
This is the best music analysis ever!! Thank you!! I learned a lot from you!!
kalush did won but this song would be one of best winers ever. it touches straitgh to the hearth even i dont understand. epic song.
@jestem_kotek
3 ай бұрын
she was removed from the competition due to the conflict with Crimea
Як ви можете бачити зараз по новинах з України, то для нас таке ставлення до виконавців було не пустим звуком. Це дуже не просте питання. До Аліни Паш у багатьох не було питань, вона українка і зараз з Україною, але у багатьох були питання, тому буде інший. А ось Maruv мовчить, коли її місто, її країну обстрілюють. Тому тоді рішення, я вважаю, було правильним. Хто тоді це не зрозумів, то повинен зрозуміти це сьогодні. На сцені багато хто крутий і говорять всі правильні речі, а як до реального життя...
Я в Восторге!!! Я Восхищаюсь тобой Украина!!! Браво!!!🤗😍👌👍👏👏👏💙💛💙💛💙💛
You’re a good man Mike 🙏 Beautiful vocals & song. I 💯 agreed w/ your analysis. THX’s ✌️♥️
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks as always 😊
REspect from Kharkiv Ukraine
Alina Pash 🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️❗️
Спасибо вам большое за оценку ❤🇺🇦
Ця пісня більш потужна, ніж в Калуша, і вона теж перемогла би. Але сталось певне дежавю, коли в 2016 я сумував, що Хардкіс не пройшли відбір, але поїхала Джамала і перемогла, і от це сталось знову.
Дякую за реакцію! Вітання з України! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦💞💞💞
That lady in the interesting outfit made me cry.
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
It’s very emotional 😢
Вот это Класс!!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙂🙂🙂🌹🌹🌹👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👁️👁️😄😄😄😄😃😃😃
Thank u from 2024🫶🏻 I’m crying with u and with all of my country 🇺🇦❤️🩹
I'd love to see this as invited artist in Turin.
Alina Pash forged a document, and this is prosecuted in any country. I like her live performance and music, although I have a lot of complaints about the text, as a person who knows history well. Personally, I understand that artists are people who are immersed in creativity and often act recklessly in a public sense. Her visit to the Crimea, through Russia, was stupid. Alina could act honestly and publicly apologize for her act, which she committed at the age of 22, being at that time an aspiring singer. Ukrainian society is quick-witted, it could forgive her act. But instead, she forged the document and continued to lie. By the way, where is Alina Pash at this difficult time for the country?
@ericsalazar3731
2 жыл бұрын
Check her Instagram and you will know where she is🙂 She is standing with her country and supporting as much as she can.
@k_korniienko
2 жыл бұрын
@@ericsalazar3731 Ehm yes after that situation she would have to do this
@skeltek7487
2 жыл бұрын
She did not forge the travel document, but someone else did. Why is visiting Crimea made a crime anyway? Can’t people visit their acquaintances?
@MysticEchoOfShaiya
2 жыл бұрын
Та, да...
@modestapictor
2 жыл бұрын
@@skeltek7487 There are two ways to visit Crimea. She chose illegal one
Fat like! For your reaction, for being able to listen and feel! This is very rare these days. Thank you very much!
Something new, unexpected and unique
Really disappointed that Alina is not representing Ukraine in ESC this year. This song and performance is 🔥
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
It really is!
@andreasrw1288
2 жыл бұрын
Well, better for the other competitors because this could easily win
Thanks for your great and honest reaction🇺🇦
дякую 💜
❤Beautiful song "Тіні забутих предків", a real masterpiece, TRUE ART !!! ❤❤❤🙏🕊
all this is so disappointing, I mean that we missed it for Eurovision. I agree, Kalush did their best, and I'm happy as it turned out. But it would be fare if there was a chance for Eurovision spectators to see this performance live on stage. But who knows, maybe next year in Kiev ... I hope so much and I want it badly
This is a veeery beautiful song, unfortunately((( 💙💛
It's a shame Pash decide to forge a document. That's why she was disqualified.
Alina Pash Winner 🥰 Ukraine 💛💙
Дякую за коментар. Ця пісня найкраща,це душа нашого народу.
Masterpiece
💛💙🇺🇦
Thank you 🙏🏻 Ukraine 🇺🇦💙💛
The geo-political matters that don’t affect you is affecting all Ukrainians. And only because it matters for us, you can enjoy this Ukrainian beautiful song, otherwise it wouldn’t exist at all like everything that Russia has deal with..
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You are right. When I stare “geo-political matters which don’t affect me”, I did so as I dig at myself
@yaros3750
2 жыл бұрын
MTR All good, like your reaction tho. So natural..
В такий тяжкий час переплутати співаків з України і росії - величезна образа в сторону українців
I’m not sure if you still read these comments but really thanks for this reaction, it’s by far the most informative. I don’t know music theory and you explain the use of Ukrainian vocals, harmonics etc. much better than any other reaction video. I’d love if you could cover this more comprehensively, perhaps comparing Jamala’s 1944, Go_A’s Shum, Alina’s Shadows, Kalush’s Stefania, and Jerry and Alyona’s Theresa and Maria.
@karelkieslich6772
3 ай бұрын
It’s unfortunate that you mentioned a Russian singer here. I know that you didn’t mean it in a bad way and that it’s been pointed out many times and you might brush this off as “politics” or “nationalism” but I’d just like to add some context for those who might want to learn about this. Russia’s entire pretext for this war (and other similar attempts in the past 3 centuries) is that “Ukrainians are just Russians, and there is no Ukraine actually”, so confusing Russians and Ukrainians in this context this really hurts. What people often don’t realise is that while Western imperialism worked through othering using racism (“you are different than us, worse than us, and therefore we have the right to rule over you and exoloit you”), Russian imperalism worked in the opposite way, by refusing Ukrainian identity and culture (“you are just like us, just worse, and therefore we have the right to rule over you and exploit you, but you will never be different and independent, you belong to us”). Both are of course wrong. Understood this way, confusing Russians and Ukrainians has a similar effect like endorsing racist remarks: it enables subjugation and destruction of a culture. But Russians were allowed to get away with it for centuries exactly because they managed to convince the world that Ukraine is just some (inferior) derivate of Russia. Which of course is completely wrong, if anything, it would be the other way round. But that’s why it’s important to challenge these things. (I’m not Ukrainian btw and I hope this doesn’t looo like I’m speaking for them, I’m just repeating what I have learned from many wise Ukrainians.)
@TheMuserResolute
3 ай бұрын
Hi there! Thank you for your comment. I was quite emotional with this one because of how artists are either being used as pawns and/or censored. A lot of people were upset that I mentioned Samoylova in this one and assumed that I thought she was Ukrainian. I definitely mentioned her knowing she was Russian, but as an artist who was denied the ability to perform because of this war - more or less another independent victim rather than a representative for Russia (if that make sense)
@karelkieslich6772
3 ай бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute Thanks for reacting! Sorry, I know that you knew she was Russian and I really didn’t mean to add another comment to reprimand you (sorry if it came across that way), rather just add some details to why this is controversial/hurtful, perhaps more for other visitors to your channel. I also know this might not be the place as your (fantastic) channel is focused on music and you maybe don’t want these discussions here. But I fear very much for Ukrainian culture and I think it’s important to defend it, as it’s under not just military but other, smarter, forms of attack, one of them is through the means of culture. In this sense, there’s a big difference between Samoylova and Ukrainian artists. Yes, Russian culture is now repressed by the Russian state, but it isn’t in existential danger, like the Ukrainian culture. Quite the opposite, Russian culture is being used (very cynically) to justify Russian imperial ambitions. I’ll quote the Russians themselves: Mikhail Piotrovsky, the director of the State Hermitage Museum in St Petersburg, said [about visual art but it applies to ballet, music etc. as well]: "Our recent exhibitions abroad are just a powerful cultural offensive. If you want, a kind of special operation, which a lot of people don't like. But we are coming. And no one can be allowed to interfere with our offensive." One striking visualisation of this was when Russian army bombed the theatre in Mariupol, under which hundreds of children were hiding, and then covered it with images of Pushkin. To “mark the territory”, to literally erase Ukrainian culture. So Russian artists not just indepensent, Russian state uses their culture as a form of soft power, to destroy Ukrainian culture, in addition to literally physically killing Ukrainian artists. Russian artists who Russia sends to compete and perform aren’t independent artists, they are carefully selected and always willing participators in this - the ones who we don’t hear about are the real victims. Which is why again it’s hurtful for Ukrainians to have their artists put in the same category. Btw, Pushkin himself wasn’t an independent victim: even though we now seem him as part of the literary canon, Pushkin in his time was directly personally involved in suppressing and ridiculing Ukrainian (and Polish and Caucasus) artists and there are many really vile poems by him and Lermontov and others who we never hear about and never read, but if we did, we would probably see them differently. (Btw, I’m not saying Russia is unique in doing this, of course not; but while we usually analyse British or French imperial artists critically, we are yet to do that with Russian imperial art.) There are entire generations of extremely interesting Ukrainian artists but a lot of their art we will never know about because Russia killed them, erased them and replaced them with Russian culture. Which is btw precisely one of the things that Alina Pash is singing about in her Forgotten Ancestors. So one way to honour them is to recognise how Ukrainian culture is now yet again at existential risk while Russian really isn’t, and not confuse these two things. I hope this make sense? Again, my intention is not not to lecture you, just to add some context.
@karelkieslich6772
3 ай бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute And let me just repeat, I really love your channel, it’s by far the most informative and you have a great taste and your love for music is just contagious! Thanks for all this content! ❤️
думаю, она бы тоже победила. песня душевная
the song is very good, but it violated the law of Ukraine, so everything is fine
@dmytrodergachov959
2 жыл бұрын
The song did not violate the law of Ukraine, but Alina did. And it is very sad because the punishment basically affected not only her but a lot of Ukrainians who voted this song to be in EUV-22.
@user-rk5lo8lp7e
2 жыл бұрын
@@dmytrodergachov959 в каком месте наказания коснулись тех,кто голосовал?
@dmytrodergachov959
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-rk5lo8lp7e в сердце. Те кто голосовал хотели видеть ее на Евровидении. По-моему это и ежу понятно.
Шановний коментатор, сподіваюсь ви тепер прозріли. Не допустимо забавляти вбивць-рашистів і залишитись пухнастим одночасно. За свої вчинки потрібно нести відповідальність. Тому не плачте з нічого. Аліна усвідомила свою помилку., хай навіть такою ціною., бо людей в моїй країні російські окупанти позбавляють життя.
@user-fn1xv4hr2i
2 жыл бұрын
Вона давно її усвідомила. Категоричність - погана річ. Життя - це шлях, який пройти без помилок неможливо. Головне, що людина зрозуміла і виправилась. А своєю категоричністю Україна часто програє. Це стосується не лише артистів, а загалом інтелігенції, яка покидає країну. І на арену виходить що-небудь, лише тому, що одягло вишиванку. Кожна країна підтримує таланти, а нашій до цього ще далеко. Патріотизм - чудова річ, але у всьому є межа де закінчується здоровий глузд і починається абсурд.
@milicastanar9654
Жыл бұрын
Драга Софија, да ли је Алина погрешила што је прешла мост и видела своју родбину? Не, није. Мостови су ту да споје људе, а не да их раздвајају. Закон који имате је криминалан.
Thank you for going speechless, silent, turned in.
I’m not really a person who follows Eurovision, but why did this song (and the others) not represent Ukraine in the end? And for me personally I’d actually kind of want to hear the rant. I get that you’re not really effected by it and might not want to be so political or emotional on here, but in times like these I feel like it would honestly be kind of fitting to say something about the situation even though it will most likely not change anything. But maybe that’s only me overreacting, since I’m somewhat close to the Ukraine) Okay… I somewhat retract my message. I just wrote a long rant and deleted it again since it doesn’t seem fitting. I guess it’s just important to get rid of your emotions in some way, even if no one will hear it. Stay safe everyone
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Heya! Thanks for watching :). I was really weighing it up. There’s actually a lot I cut out from this video from the beginning (and of course the rant part) because in hindsight I was way out of my depth making the claims I did. I shot this video before Russian troops went into Kyiv so at the time, being so isolated, I didn’t realise how bad this was going to get. As a result, I did find a lot of what I said somewhat insensitive considering I wasn’t in the thick of it
@krutu4na_masa
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute Спасибо вам за обзор, реакцию на песню, и главное спасибо за признание своего не понимания политической ситуации в Украине. Война в Украине идёт с 2014 года, РФ оккупировала Крым и это очень болезненно для украинцев. Думаю вы уже поняли это. Ещё раз спасибо вам.
Slava Oukraïni
You said it, I don’t get it either. Such a masterpiece!!
Yulia Samoilova represented Russia, not Ukraine.
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, she was banned from performing in 2017 for the same reasons which is why I included her
@Alla_Alla
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute ,Please answer me honestly. If Diana Ankudinova went to Eurovision with a good song, would she be able to win? How would her voice be received in Europe?
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
It’s such a difficult question. Her voice is amazing, no doubt. Considering the political climate and the fact that people are always voting politically in Eurovision, Russia doesn’t stand a chance in the near future 😔 Imo it depends on Diana’s song choice. Diana is so unique that I would also imagine that there would be many critics who don’t quite understand her music. So in summation, it’s a difficult question to answer considering the variables. Could she win? Absolutely, but it’s dependent on song choice, staging, the political climate of Europe, and of course what else is in the competition that year
@Alla_Alla
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute ,Thanks for the answer . I understand . I agree that music suffers because of politics. Conductor Gergiev and opera singer Anna Netrebko are already being asked to leave opera houses in Europe. It seems to me that the war should not affect music and art.
@Alla_Alla
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute ,I am using google translator. So sorry if the translation is wrong. Thanks.
Зрозуміти чужій людині тяжко але вона порушила правила і мусить понести за це покарання. Україна це не Росія.
i from Ukraine, and i sad too(
Banning Russia from Eurovision is the weakest of weak-ass sanctions applied on them. Not my thing, musically-speaking - but I'm absolutely with it on principle. 🇺🇦✊💙💛 (wearing my new I STAND WITH UKRAINE T-shirt, coincidentally)🤘
@ChrisPage68
2 жыл бұрын
And don't self-censor. Germany also shot itself in the foot by not selecting Eskimo Callboy.
@Alla_Alla
2 жыл бұрын
PageMonster , Watch this video . Maybe then you'll understand. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gZ2nrM2pd7zWcdI.html
@ChrisPage68
2 жыл бұрын
@@Alla_Alla I understand Crimea was stolen by Russia.
@Alla_Alla
2 жыл бұрын
@@ChrisPage68 ,We also want peace. We don't want our guys to die either.
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Germany absolutely shot itself in the foot not picking Eskimo Callboy. Silliest decision.
❤🥺
I'm literally crying🥺💙💛
alyona alyona & jerry heil - teresa & maria - reaction 🙏🙏🙏
🇺🇦🇪🇺❤
Я не розумію, зараз проблем з перекладом немає, які ваші проблеми
ЮЛІЯ САМОЙЛОВА ЦЕ ВІД РОСІЇ, ТО НЕ ВІД УКРАЇНИ!
dont cry(
Yulia samoylova is from Russia 🤦🏻♂️
@TheMuserResolute
Жыл бұрын
Correct. This video was pointing out artists who were unable to perform due to the conflict. And Samoylova is one of them
@eugenes9620
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute this "conflict" called ruzzian invasion in 2014..and samoilova repesented agressor
Radzh marvel at the new Ukrainian songs, as they appeared at the hour of the war with Russia
Samoilova - is russian not Ukrainian
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
I know. This is not about Ukrainian artists. It’s about artists who could not perform because of the situation
Yulia Samoylova isn't Ukrainian!!!
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
I know.
Мені як Українцю також дуже сумно що цей шедевр не попав на євробачення через незрозумілі, та безглузді суперечки...кожен раз слухаю і кожен раз задаю питання, чому??? Сумно...(((
@lidiawolanskyj5560
2 жыл бұрын
Нащо було їй брехати? Це нормальне плавило всюди-якщо хтось зфальшував заяву, вона стає не дійсною!
One thing - Samoylova is a russian singer
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, correct. She was barred because the competition was held in Ukraine that year and she had apparently violated laws.
@Slavoyar_And
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute oh, exactly, I forgot. By the way, thanks for really cool reaction, appreciate that💙💛
Samoylova is russian, come on! you shouldn't make such mistakes, you know that's the topic which hurts to us
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. I know she’s Russian. She wasn’t able to perform because it was held in Ukraine that year
Samoylova it’s not Ukrainian 😡
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
I know. I meant Samoylova got banned as it was held in Ukraine that year. If it was not held in Ukraine, she would not have gotten banned
@nuka.coffee
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute Julia was used by kremlin to show Ukraine as a bad guy. But Ukraine was a victim of russian aggression since 2014 (not since 2022 when it became full-scale). So russia choose a candidate that will resonate because of her difference. Unfortunately she was abandoned and forgotten just right at that moment when the goal was reached. There’s even a video somewhere on the internet where she says she feel betrayed. Ukrainian politics is like always defensive. Sometimes it touches our own people who are not honest in those insane days for our nation we have for the last 8 years.
@Diolanika
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute конечно, что тут скажешь? . Моральные уроды! На украине живет очень много русофобов. Дай Бог России - матушке сил и терпения в борьбе с врагами! Задачи будут выполнены! Живи, Россия! И процветай, моя Родина! 🙏
You should of left in the rant imo
@TheMuserResolute
2 жыл бұрын
I was weighing it up. I actually shot this video before Russian troops actually got into Kyiv. At the time I didn’t realise how bad this was going to get. I feel like I may have been a little insensitive in my rant, especially in a situation where I wasn’t affected.
@ChrisPage68
2 жыл бұрын
Should have.
Ahaha samoylova don't have anything with Ukraine) this is rusia singer!
@TheMuserResolute
Жыл бұрын
Correct. I have gotten this comment a lot and there’s a misunderstanding. Samoylova was affected by the conflict. My video was not in sympathy of Ukrainian performers, but a commentary on those who were unable to perform due to the conflict. Samoylova could not perform in 2017 as the competition was held in ukraine
@eugenes9620
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMuserResolute this "conflict" called ruzzian invasion in 2014..
Фу...
Смешно🤣🤣🤣 Такая хрень. Без обид, ребята. Одно и то же. Украина больше ни на что не способна, видимо. Опять стиль Джамалы. 🙈🤣
@user-vw4ku7hf9n
2 жыл бұрын
Украина всегда в финале и лидерах евро , а на что способны вы? Загнать свою страну в днище, чтоб от вас везде отказывался цивилизованный мир ?
@chinchyk8330
2 жыл бұрын
Так Алина не едет на Евровидение. Едет Калуш, и эти ребята точно не похожи на Джамалу. Кстати, по зрительскому голосованию на отборе победили как раз-таки они.
@user-jn2ls3zy6l
2 жыл бұрын
"без обид" - та де там. це б було смішно й грішно ображатися на заздрісне створіння
@Diolanika
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-jn2ls3zy6l больше ничего не умеете. 🤷♀️
@Arina_panchishina
2 жыл бұрын
Украина даёт пиzды на фронтах второй (ой, уже нет) армии мира. А что мы ещё должны уметь?)))) Мы ценим свои корни, мы боремся, мы растём, мы учимся. Ну а вам приятного деградирования))) Добро пожаловать железный занавес 2.0. Не так желаю вам смерти, как изоляции страны, которая говорит только ложь, упивается в своих имперских идеях. Захлебнитесь.