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If you want more Johnny Marr guitar, try some of his solo albums like The Messenger or Playland. Or his album with The The - Dusk, which gets really weird at times. Avoid Marr's 1st solo album Boomslang, which is garbage. Also you really need to hear Peter Hook's group Monaco on Music For Pleasure.

@PhantomSnake84

4 жыл бұрын

Glad to see another Monaco fan. Monaco is definitely my favourite New Order side project and Music For Pleasure is a massively underrated gem of an album. It just got lost in-between 1997's mammoth releases like Be Here Now, OK Computer, Urban Hymns, Ladies And Gentlemen We're Floating In Space and Blur's self titled. Electronic had a few great tracks but to quote Johnny Marr, the best Electronic album is The Best Of Electronic because they were always more of a singles band. Monaco were consistently brilliant. Even though their self titled follow up album isn't as spectacular as their debut, it's still solid with some great highlights. Glad Hooky's bringing it back this year.

@thedelacruz

4 жыл бұрын

Mónaco! Yup..Potsy is the best alternative to Bernard that exists. Saw them in NY a lifetime ago.

Neit Tennant (lead singer of Pet Shop Boys) was also in the group and was the lead singer in 'Disappointed', he can also be heard on background vocals in 'Getting Away With It'... a great album. I liked 3 songs from this album (Getting Away With It, Get the Message and Try All You Want).

As mentioned before do check out Peter Hook's band Monaco: Music For Pleasure. It was the most New Order sounding side project mainly because of Hook's signature base sound and Dave Potts' Bernardesque vocals on some of the tracks. Some really solid tracks on this one! New Order with a bit of bite to it and a hint of Noel Gallagher/Oasis.

I would have never recommended this album for you. Having heard your review of Technique. You dont have the background, experience or the real like of electronic music in general to adequately put youself in what came out at that time or how it does have a timeless sound in its own way now. I have talked to many about this album over the years and nobody, I repeat nobody has ever mentioned Tighten Up as being one of the better songs on here. Its one of the least liked if you polled people who did like this album. Which explains why you like it. Because you like rock music, alternative etc I would recommend staying with rock music honestly. Stay in your lane with what you know. You might their last album Twisted Tenderness more as its more "rockin" so you can follow along with your strings on your banjo. I see a Hootie and the blowfish or Dave Matthews review in your future. Those are probably more in your wheelhouse

So now we know what Ryan Gosling thinks of Electronic.

It’s very refreshing to see a reactor who has critical things to say! That said, I love this album and yes it is silly in places. It has lots of Marr but his thing at this point in his career was he was trying to get away from his association as a “guitarist-for-hire”. The main influences in the album are Kraftwerk, Technotronic and all that Italian house music from around 1989; the 49ers, Black Box etc. I love the WTF effect of both Marr being as synthy as possible and Sumner rapping! In 1991 it sounded fresh as can be but it is very dated now. In June 1991 in the UK rock was dead. Nirvana didn’t really arrive until the autumn and Nevermind and to some extent U2’s Achtung Baby revitalised rock. Electronic’s first album is a snapshot of where indie dance rock was just prior to that moment. So it also probably helps if you were there. Electronic’s 2nd and 3rd albums are much more heavy on guitars but also for me much much more boring.

@henrywallace7996

Жыл бұрын

This context is important. 1991 was immediately post-acid house, the peak of rave, and before Britpop and grunge. It was a time when guys like the KLF (I’d love to see Alex react to them) could be huge pop stars. Techno had won over the SAW dross of the late 80s, thankfully, but with kids now making their own dance music in bedrooms, guitars were out and computers in. Those guitar bands that remained turned to dance rhythms and ‘Madchester’. As for this album, when I first listened to it I was a bit of a rockist, and like Alex I thought it needed way more Marr. But as I came to appreciate synth and dance music more, I came to actually adore it. Yes, it’s cheesy, yes, it sounds like it was made on an Amiga (and probably was), but it’s a delightful pop album that does what it’s supposed to. Personally I don’t find it boring at all (whereas I am bored by Republic); I think it’s quite sprightly.

Thank you Alex for the shout out :-)

I can't wait till you get to Mazzy Star, one of my favourite bands

You would enjoy their best of more I think and I also think you would enjoy Johnny Marr's latest solo album and Monaco's output.

The Orchestral flavour comes from Anne Dudley aka The Art of Noise

@jasonkraley

2 жыл бұрын

amen! thank you Anne Dudley for her time organizing, writing and composing the orchestral tracks throughout this album.. as Art Of Noise was reevaluating their status as a musical presence over their previousdecade, she took on a unexpectedly fantastic composing career! generous soul, esp if you meet her! and she's working to release a new Art Of Noise album post-pandemic!

@3anaurv2

2 жыл бұрын

She made a great work with pet shop boys on Very.

My guess is you don't like this album for the same reason you don't like Republic. I don't want to say more than that as it isn't for me to tell you what style of music you like. Essentially is just taste. I actually think Republic is an improvement on the Electronic album. Yet Electronic is highly praised and Republic derided (although not as universally as some like to claim), I'd say you're right about this debut being more a Sumner album. I think he began the project as a solo album. Indeed, the three Electronic albums can be thought of as bridges between New Order albums. Electronic (1991) lies between Technique (1989) and Republic (1993). I know you already get this from your comments in the video. Anyway, after the more refined electronica (and Bernard!) of Republic, Electronic's Raise the Pressure (1996) alternates between dance and guitar tracks. The third Electronic album, Twisted Tenderness (1999) is dominated by fizzy guitar songs with electronica mostly confined to the background. This leads nicely into New Order's rocking Get Ready (2001). P.S. Hooky's Monaco Music For Pleasure (1997) may be more to your taste. It's New Order meets Britpop.

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like Electronic and Republic have perfectly fine "vibes" or "moods". I was totally on board with the feel that Republic had as I was listening, the cheesy 90s stuff didn't even really phase me all that much. The issue I have with these albums is that the songs are flatlines. They're not acting like progressive, sprawling songs, yet that's what the composition is. No peaks and valleys, just a plateau. And it makes the music monotonous and borderline boring.

@jupitermadcat

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlexHaitz what are your favorite New order albums

It's a little difficult to transport myself back to 91 when I first picked up this album versus now. I think I had some similar thoughts to yours. It wasn't a great album, and I found myself preferring Lightning Seeds' Cloudcuckooland (which I had bought at the same time). However, the album has grown on me over time. I start really liking some of the nuance in the tracks that I didn't hear before.

@misterkite

4 жыл бұрын

haha.. like one of my favorite parts of the album was the horn section of some distant memory.... right when you were like "music!"

@eboethrasher

3 жыл бұрын

I remember liking this album MORE when I first got it than I do now. Strangely enough.

Had this album back in the day, but somehow never got played much and is now lost with little if any regrets.

Get the message is a great track....its a standout.....some creative endeavours like this album are highly praised in the moment, but they dont age well, for all kinds of reasons.....I love this album because it takes me back to a time and place. That time and place was a moment where a lot of alternative and indie bands were breaking into the mainstream, and at the same time dance music was huge and the two movements were combining in ways that were fresh and new....but it hasn’t aged well.......you had to be there.....

this sounds so... "sigh, typical/whatever" but if you lived through the end of the 70s, were amazed as the synth/electronic potentials given to the 80s and then graduated through the 90s, there was a fascinating, pivotal shift in musical culture, like electronic music, "techno", (sometimes illegal) raves, etc in the 90s.. this album attracted my interest w/o any reviews.. admittedly, "as a whole", i don't like it.. but i own it, & grew to really enjoy "Idiot Country" (VERY unexpectedly), "Patience Of A Saint" (Neil Tennant guest vocals were a surprise), "Getting Away With It" & "Get The Message".. i know that makes up a small fraction of the album - the rest i dismiss still.. but there's a fascinating amount of "blood" in those songs considering they were made over 30 years ago.. gotta give credit to future creativity of that time.. the 2013 remastered 2-CD release was much needed audibly, plus a number of unheard tracks as well... thanks for your honest initial impact review!

Wow! What a cynical reaction and the insistence of “more Marr” was quite annoying. This album was a full collaboration between Sumner and Marr. Johnny Marr was wanting to branch out at that time and explore electronic music. He is present on every track on this album. Seems as though you went into this album with a predetermined expectation which would have only been met if you were hearing the Johnny Marr of The Smiths. How sad because you closed off to what you considered “boring” music which actually is anything but boring. It’s beautifully produced and arranged. Of everything has to have a screaming electric guitar as the overwhelming sound of a song for it to of value. There is beautiful ACOUSTIC guitar from Johnny on “Get The Message” and plenty of electric guitar as well on almost every track. Don’t you wonder why this album was universally reviewed so positively? The only agreement I found with your reaction was on “Soviet” and “Feel Every Beat”. I can’t imagine what your reaction is going to be like for New Order “Music Complete” if you so thoroughly thrashed this album. I’m heading to that reaction now. Hopefully you’ll have less preconceived expectations.

Idiot country, The patience of a saint, Gangster, Try all you want, Get the message, Getting away with it and Some distant memory. This album is a masterpiece man.

That's an awesome album ! Did you listen to the track disappointed ?

I love your Velvet Underground videos but you skipped their debut album! Also take a listen to The Lemon Twigs (Go To School), Foxygen(Hang), or Talking Heads (Talking Heads '77)

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

I heard their debut years ago. It’s probably still my favorite from them.

Excellent Marr-only version of Getting Away With It here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p22ut5iQm6XWebA.html 3 Morrissey Albums: Viva Hate or Bona Drag/Your Arsenal/Vauxhall & I (by some distance the best).

Get the Message brings back so many good memories of that era in Manchester for me. 1988-1992 was buzzing here... good times, good music, good football, good girls, good drugs, good clothes... I started seeing my partner around that time too...and we're still together!! Fuck!!. If I'd have killed her back then, I'd have done my time by now!! haha. I saw Electronic live.....yet I'd never seen New Order. One of my biggest regrets.....and now, without Hooky, i don't want to.

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

And Bernard can barely carry a tune these days too. Stephen's still a drum beast though.

@mana3735

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlexHaitz Yeah, I've seen the latest footage on KZread..not good. They were never the same after 1990....that unique magic they had had gone for me. There's something about the 90's and onward where these groups HAD to produce the hits whereas the 80's they seemed to be more free to do what the fuck they wanted. In the UK anyway. I suppose it was because the "indie" scene became the mainstream.

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

I actually don't dislike the "vibe" of Bernard's 90s output. With Republic and this album. My issue is that the songs are either boring or un-adventurous.

i loved this album when it came out & still do...very cohesive & soothing w/ all of the strings...i like almost any JD/NO permutation...(2nd half of Republic is boring though)...& i guess i could see someone thinking the same of this album but i suppose i just dig the vibe & you don't...to each their own

The second Electronic album is better and more Marr.

It's not the angle now. It's the angle at the time it was written and at the time this did the business.

the 3r d album twisted tenderness is way better imo. check that one out , mooore marr guitars there.

Listen to The Cure albums from beginning to end. Ik you don’t like The Cure that much

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

I want to do more of them! Don't know if I'll go chronological yet or not.

I loved JD, New Order and The Smiths so much that I wanted this record to be fantastic. It wasn't. Can still listen to Tighten Up. I think JM was to embarrased to decline the offer, but what do I know?.The stuff JM did with the Pretenders and especially The The prior to this is amazing.

You wouldn't know Marr had anything to do with this album, he must have been on keys - slightly a waste of Marr that, but then he probably wanted to do something very different to The Smiths. Getting away with it is brilliant though.

I liked this album at the time but it's hard to listen to it now. The production is really dated (it already was when it was released though.) AND the mastering level of the album is so low !!! Well. I still love some of the songs : "Patience of A Saint" (Because it sounds very Pet Shop Boys , with social comment etc... ) And "Getting Away With It" is a great radio-friendly pop record. Oh and "Get The Message" of course.

You´re only missing the context and time when it was released. That´s something that you can´t solve, and it´s not your fault neither.

you should react to women - public strain!

2 guitarist, and there's no guitar, that's the secret. The order is Technique, Electronic and républic. This is why republic and this have the same sound . Bernard take the band and mixe , it's the end of factory, lot of trouble. But, the secont and 3 lp from Electronic are with guitar and , for me ,much better than this and particulery the last.

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It's a bland album and it's probably the best out of the three albums that they made. To be fair they had some decent singles (very handily there's a greatest hits album that collects them so you don't have to bother with the albums). Johnny Marr picks his guitar back up on the third album if you're interested.

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It's a lovely album and it has more energy than the contemporary New Order album Republic. But at the same time, it all sounds a little empty, as if songs lacked a little personality. It's perfectly crafted, pumped full of talent and technically flawless. Just not passionate.

Top album The Clash London calling Tears for fears the hurting The cardigans life Echo and the bunnymen Porcupine The Cure wish simple minds new gold dream the police outlandos amour u2 pride the name of love Bowie let's dance My bloody valentine loveless Go to the best, don't waste your time

@AHD270

4 жыл бұрын

Psychedelic furs Mirror moves

@AHD270

4 жыл бұрын

Roxy music Avalon

@AHD270

4 жыл бұрын

XTC best of Ultravox best of

@judewebb965

3 жыл бұрын

Lets Dance??????

Marr said he wanted to make a disco album. Both he and Bernard played guitars AND keyboards. You heard Marr throughout, but his keyboard styling is very simple. Also, the Bernie/Soviet comment was ignorant. You are a very smart guy, so I blame ignorance due to the media who fed you that load.

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

It was merely a joke. He honeymooned in the Soviet Union for 10 days in 1988.

It's not an album i'd bother with, to be honest....the 2 songs you liked were the big singles. I liked those ones. The track of theirs i play most these days is the instrumental b-side of Get the Message called Free Will....love that one.

@rediscoveryrecords1348

3 жыл бұрын

He liked Tighten Up. That wasnt a single

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lol.

You're not missing anything. This album was a boring waste of time when it was released, and hasn't aged particularly well. I think the reception in the music press had more to do with the reputation of Marr and Sumner, along with the general embrace of the "hot, new" club music scene.

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

I like how this album has been regularly recommended since my New Order videos, and as soon as I listen and share my indifference to the album, everyone in the comments are like "yup". To the people who recommended this album, show yourselves!

@jeffreycarldean

4 жыл бұрын

Don't blame me, I voted for TMC.

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

The lone hero.

@PhantomSnake84

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlexHaitz I've constantly been recommending you Monaco's Music For Pleasure since reading you were going to react to Electronic! Far better album and it still baffles me that New Order fans hold Electronic in much higher regard. Apart from a few great singles (Getting Away With It, Forbidden City, Get The Message, Twisted Tenderness), Monaco's jangly guitars have aged so much better than the 90s programming on Electronic. It's funny how Republic gets maligned for the exact same thing Electronic gets praised for....

@AlexHaitz

4 жыл бұрын

I'll have to start throwing that into the polls!

It's a very mediocre album. Totally forgetable. I recall being pretty excited when I bought this when it first came out, being a huge Smiths, JD and New Order fan, and the big disappointment that followed. I only enjoy 2 songs and not that much really. So much good music out there to waste time with this...

A very Vanilla album for two very accomplished artists.

Should have done here come the warm jets!!!! This suck! Just listen to The smiths if you want any Marr

That was album was complete shit when it came out, and it hasn’t aged well. Stale old shit.

the first postpunk super group... unfortunately... lame edm pop

@rediscoveryrecords1348

3 жыл бұрын

I always chuckle when people try to knock things with labeling with them a genre or subgenre and do it incorrectly. You do realize the term EDM wasnt used until about 2004 right? Some 14 years after these tracks were made in 1989-90? Dumbass

@rediscoveryrecords1348

3 жыл бұрын

Btw supergroup would be 3 or more members no? 2 people is a duo. Dimwit