4:55 did Micah just wake up? 😂

As a Milan fan, HUGE respect for Newcastle who gave us quite a scare. But they shouldn't just drop their performance when there is still time to equalize. It was truly astonishing to see the team just run out of gas like that. Hopefully the best is to happen in the future. As for Tomori, who I watch week in and week out. He's been our best defender 3 years in a row now, center back of the 21/22 (scudetto winning) season, and our best defender since the start of this season, it BLOWS MY MIND that he is in the same conversation as Dunk or Guehi when he is LIGHTYEARS ahead of them. At the world cup he wasn't even called up and instead Maguire and Dier were called up. That screams EPL bias and total ignorance of football outside the prem. As long as this attitude exists, trust me, England will not win a single competition in Europe.

@theonetheonlyjoey

5 ай бұрын

I completely agree mate... most England fans (or at least the sensible ones) have been asking why Tomori isn't in the squad for ages now In my eyes, he's our best centre back and I'm stunned that Gareth Southgate would rather pick his mates, than actually choose our best squad. As you say, we will never win anything with that mentality

@hartshaped

5 ай бұрын

it's a shame really when it comes down to it Milan should actually be going through to the knockout stage rather than the Europa league. If there was any justice PSG shouldn't have been given that scandalous penalty which would have seen Milan going through to the knockout stages, Newcastle to Europa League and PSG being eliminated

@ohimats

5 ай бұрын

@@hartshaped OMG you are right. And our win secured their qualification to the next round.... F***ing PSG.

After Leao and Maignan, Tomori had been AC Milan's most important player. He has been one of the best defenders in Serie A for the past 3 seasons,plays regularly in the Champions League and has won Serie A. The way he's disrespected in England is ridiculous

@JoshYNWA03

5 ай бұрын

Until Southgate and his boyfriends leave he’s in a tough spot there

@daviebananas1735

5 ай бұрын

@@JoshYNWA03Was the homophobia necessary here?

@jdogg448

5 ай бұрын

He's not disrespected in England, only by the England manager.

@darrylbrookes2780

5 ай бұрын

@@daviebananas1735 i dont think that was homophobia he never said he was scared of southgate or his boyfriends ..... or if ya want it to mean homosexual-odium or homosexual-misos meaning man sex hate or same sex hate depending if ya go in for the greek or latin meaning.... phobos means fear , just so ya know. just saying he has them and gives them preferential treatment not fear or hate is it really , ya think ya might be projecting a bit , maybe. the man might of meant boys who are friends, maybe he ment they hold hand or play hide the pickle but he never said it was a bad thing exept that tomori is in a hard spot while southgate keeps playing his boyfriends

@daviebananas1735

5 ай бұрын

@@darrylbrookes2780 Yeah, that’s how language works. It’s entirely based on etymology LOL. That’s why awesome means something that fills us with fear doesn’t it? You know what homophobia is, and why you’re defending it is beyond me. Do better.

As a Celtic fan I’m Not saying a word about Champions League football and any other teams performance 😂😂

These 3 are such a brilliant trio 👏

As Liverpool fan, please respect Leverkusen. They have perfect record in their group. Totally good enough to be one of the favorite to win the cup.

@steviegerrard3743

5 ай бұрын

was going to reply same thing, also flying and leading unbeaten in bundesliga as well. hopefully see us and leverkusen in final with us winning 😉

@Do27gg

5 ай бұрын

These guys don’t know much about other leagues, which is fair enough as most people only follow one league. I am worried about facing leverkusen

@yymediaprod

5 ай бұрын

Honestly the group they played in isn't the strongest Molde, Häcken & Qarabag were their opponents so it's not a big surprise but they are a strong team regardless

@n4ht4n80

5 ай бұрын

Don’t think they’re not good enough to win it but still think use will waltz through that competition, there’s just different levels

@safebans1369

5 ай бұрын

​@@yymediaprod It's their league form that should scare us too

I don’t get why people are piling on Newcastle. They overachieved in the first place getting into the UCL. Then they got a ridiculously tough group, and got injury after injury…even without the injuries, most people had them to finish bottom of the group when the draw was made!

@omegaman6494

5 ай бұрын

Agree, gutted for Newcastle as a spurs fan

@roody59

5 ай бұрын

@@omegaman6494 I imagine you can relate as a Spurs fan #bottlers

@ListerWalkthroughs

5 ай бұрын

I'll preface this with, I'm a Newcastle supporter. So I'm probably bias. Since takeover there's been a change in how fans of other teams interact with newcastle supporters. it SEEMS like it's from a place of jealousy, but of course I don't know the inner workings of other people. But that is why it seems like people are basking in our 'failures' more now. No one cared about Newcastle being rinsed by Mike Ashley, and fighting relegation every year, but we weren't a threat to a clubs position higher up the table. Now we have ambitions to be in those positions, those fans are worried. Which is weird, because beyond anything, a more competitive league is way more interesting than City just running away with it every year. I love seeing the likes of Aston Villa, Brighton, (newcastle, more so last season) battling for those top positions, makes the league way more interesting. But I think a lot of fans (or should I say, a vocal minority?) of the traditional big 6 feel entitled BECAUSE they're fans of one of the big 6. Big 6 is a myth and no team should be held higher than any other. You can be knocked off quicker than you can climb up.

@GIBBO4182

5 ай бұрын

@@ListerWalkthroughs I don’t support Newcastle, so I’m not biased. It is definitely jealousy. People think their club has some devine right to be above you because of history, and they don’t like the fact you took “their” UCL place away from them

@Saaarmbii

5 ай бұрын

Everyone's jumping on them because it's hilarious to watch there fans squirm

Newcastle's biggest aim should be to keep Howe in the driving seat and not jump ship expecting another coach could do more. When you talk about the spine of a team, he's exactly that. The players work for him so the new owners ought to plan their project with him being at the top of the list.

@kb5509

5 ай бұрын

When people talk about a spine of a team, they're referring to the central positions on the pitch. Is Eddie in goal, centre half, midfield and up front?

As a rangers fan, gutted for Newcastle. Brilliant to see them doing well again and hopefully see them in Europe next season 🤝

@M66CBH

5 ай бұрын

Pointless. Imagine we didn’t come back to the Scottish league and went down south.

Gotta give respect to Leverkusen, they haven't lost a game yet this season, Alonso has them purring.

Absolutely love this podcast. There not one episode that I’ve watched that’s failed to make me laugh ❤

good episode. keep em coming and ill keep watching

Love the show, thanks!

Idk how tomori isn’t a guaranteed started in the England squad

@ElBarcoGaming

5 ай бұрын

if you watched the game you'd see Milan go long a lot from the back and don't play out from GK as much.. England do. Horses for courses. He's a great player but a bit of a square peg for England

@chingwez

5 ай бұрын

@ElBarcoGaming Milan do play a lot from the back if you watch them in Serie A. Against Newcastle they had to play it long a lot to beat the press because Newcastle were pressing really high

@Do27gg

5 ай бұрын

@@ElBarcoGaming you’ve just based your opinion off one game

It was a tough group for Newcastle tbf, no excuse for United tho

@Question3verything

5 ай бұрын

100% Newcastle went out on their shield.. United went out with tail between their legs.. As a United fan we never deserved to go through so I wasn’t too bothered … we would never have got past the next round anyway

@Do27gg

5 ай бұрын

@@Question3verything if you made it it out the group you would have more chance of qualifying next year as it would help englands coefficient

Thank once again guys 🙌🏻👏🏻♥️

Gary Lineker was right, John Lineker is a well known ufc fighter 😅 never thought that he might be named after Gary 😂

Great pod!!

Best thing to watch before school getin

To have still been in with a chance of qualifying from the group of death on the last day was a fantastic performance. Even without the injury carnage it would have been a remarkable achievement to qualify from the group. Man Utd on the other hand, are a shambles.

Great podcast 😎

@4:56 is Micah's first contribution to the pod😂 AAAAAUUUUEEEERRRRGGGGHHHHH

There are Brighton and Westham here. They also have a chance. Eliminations games are different with league games.

16:56 Micah flexing his ear muscles. 👂

@AnthonyODOnnell-tt8gh

5 ай бұрын

😅

I'm a Geordie living just outside Milan and was watching in local bar. I told all the old guys that second half Newcastle would fall apart. They kept saying no no no, you're too fast. In the end i was facing Italian insults and lord knows what. Truth is it was about game management and that comes from the manager himself. We've been found out recently, with a Boss great at getting us to a point, but without the skills and experience to deal with being there. It's going to be a long season and there will be some hard questions.....

Proud to be a Geordie but also very concerned.if we don't take our chances early on against Fulham we will get comfortably beaten! Eddie has been very loyal to the current squad but he needs to get a goalkeeper, a centre forward, a wide forward, centre half and a no6. The striker, wide forward and a goalkeeper is the minimum we need to do next month and I have full faith in Dan Ashworth and the board to give Eddie the tools to finish top 4 and go on a real run after Christmas.

@douglasdouga-ji3gn

5 ай бұрын

You won, cheer up son 😂

I agree: I thought we (Newcastle) just went for it too soon against Milan. Had it still been 1-1 with five minutes to go, we could have gone for it more then. We have to be proud of the effort we made though.

@hartshaped

5 ай бұрын

I don't think it was that they went for it too soon personally, they statistically dominated the game. What it essentially came down to was tiredness and a difference in quality, I don't think anyone can hold it against Newcastle that their patchwork team ravaged with injuries, consisting of players that nearly got them relegated don't have the same quality and experience as a full strength and rested AC Milan side. Newcastle 8 shots on target and Milan have 2 (which they scored). I think the tactics were pretty spot on, they created loads more chances than Milan, unfortunately the manager's tactics can lead to chances created but the players have to have the quality to finish them.

@nellypringle2875

5 ай бұрын

@@hartshaped Ah, look at Schar’s bombing run forward for their second goal though. My point is it wasn’t really time for that yet.

Bayer Leverkusen shouldn't be forgotten in the Europa League, certainly not behind West Ham and Brighton.

Girona's chairman is Pep's brother which makes the City-Girona thing even more interesting.

Rumour has it Micah is still searching for his left earbud in that apartment 😂

Micah's first input today.... AAARGGGHHHHHHHHHHRRRrrrrrhhhhhhhh 🤣

Man Utd performance in going out last season was like spurs under conte bringing in an defender when needed a goal - played as of a draw good enough when wasn’t

Micah taking the car in for a service 🤣

16:56 Micah's earphone falling out 😂

I have to say as a man United fan and I know we’ve been terrible for a long time but have some of that shearer Newcastle have been poor for a while now can’t hide behind being in Europe now, you three blast us every week and rightly so 😂

@AnthonyODOnnell-tt8gh

5 ай бұрын

Can't disagree!

Thankyou Micah for reminding me to have a chuckle at every opportunity. Do you guys feel that positional adversity grew your work ethic as pundits field or does regular starting do more good. Asking for my 8 year old

Newcastle would've progressed through to the knockouts if their squad wasn't decimated with injuries

@34:35 it would be funny to have a selection from both temas :)) ManCity + Girona XD

Aww, Alan - you missed a trick there not saying "and it's goodbye from him"!

Yes gaz definitely do ep on new champions league format 👌 and you should’ve told your mate neither of them would finish top 😂

Question. Would any of the three of you swap your broadcasting position for a coaching role at your beloved clubs (City, Newcastle, Leicester) specific to the position you played? i.e Strikers coach/ Defensive coach? Or are you happy being off the grass but still involved in the game via television?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can you cover Rangers in the Europa league this season. We finished top of our group and are into the last 16. I know all the English hate Scottish football, English football is superior bla bla bla BUT Europa league seems to be a completion where we create memories. Even with teams like Liverpool and AC Milan in there. Love the show guys, much love from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 see you at the euros 😉

I found out a certain Brazilian footballer named his son after Gary Lineker crazy influence but some reason they spell it in different variations 😂

Has anyone ever gone from finishing 11th to 4th before in the PL or similar other than Leicester? Such a big jump so soon, I think the Toon have done well to compete and still be up there in the league and in the cups, but it was always going to be hard transitioning from a bang average mid table at best side to being seen as a UCL team, I think if they add a few more they could have a very strong end to the season, important to remember that on top of the injuries to key players from last year like Willock, Botman, Wilson, Burn, Longstaff etc they literally lost their 2 biggest summer signings to a ban and an injury, they are essentially weaker than last year currently, and playing more games.

@Hhammer

5 ай бұрын

Chelsea went from 10th to winning the league the next season

@kennyw218

5 ай бұрын

Yes before fpl

As a Villa fan, if we qualify for the Champions League our experience of European football in the Conference League will be vital. If Newcastle had had that experience before they played in the CL I think they would've got through.

The UFC fighter is called John Lineker….always wild when you see Brazilians with names like that 😂

Newcastle were up against it with PSG, Dortmund and AC Milan in the CL group, but credit for having a right good go. ⚽👍

John Lineker, ex-UFC fighter, was named after Gary. He was a legit ko artist and great to watch.

@Youafool500

5 ай бұрын

How does that make any sense to you ?

@blackholesupersloth3276

5 ай бұрын

@@Youafool500 In what way brother?

@daviebananas1735

5 ай бұрын

@@Youafool500His surname isn’t Lineker, you dolt. You just don’t understand Brazilian naming conventions. He was named Lineker after Gary.

@blackholesupersloth3276

5 ай бұрын

@@daviebananas1735 Thanks

I love the show lads 😂😂😂

Hi, a club that improved so much n so quickly wanted to win all ,they didn't allow themselves to build in full force like the big guns.UNWA.

I think the Champions League should be just that. For Champions. Re-introduce the Cup winners Cup and the UEFA Cup for the 2nd and 3rd. That should be it. Sadly, the game is all about money now.

Gary : did you know Robbie Fowler, the famous dyslexic ex-footballer, has named one of his kids after you? They call him Gary Linelicker!

umm... you guys don´t notice that Bayer Leverkusen is in that competition, right?

obviously biased but the only game of football that has physically had me in tears of joy was the Boro in the Uefa Cup games, to get to the final we found ourselves in the position of needing to score 4 goals in not one but two cup games and boy did we do it, has any game caused anyone to have "tears of joy"???

I agree with Shearer the tool are a head of schedule don't think the fans will turn on manager they're proper fans and are happy to see the progress done properly not on oil money

Be careful what you're saying Gary, the gagging order in place from the bbc seems to believe you can't have an opinion 😢/ 😅. Keep doing what you're doing, Gary, & if you have an opinion about something, crack on mate, express your views as, & when you feel like something needs calling out 💪

for context - 2 years ago, 6 of that squad were bottom of the league under steve bruce., Little wonder we struggled vs last season's semi finalists

The UFC fighter named after Gary is John Linekar

Everyone see shearer Richard Millie 👌🏽 all black very clean.

I feel like Micah's chewing gum also wanted to say something. It kept on creeping out 😂

Micah - "I have an opinion because you all haven't had to turn your volume down for a little while" Alan - "I'd be amazed if they are/no Micah"

Pep is legendary for taking on struggling sides and turning things around 😂😂

@n4ht4n80

5 ай бұрын

Why would the greatest manager of all time stoop down to a low level club just to appease people who say he’s never done it at a lower level? Why doesn’t Ronaldo go to Accrington Stanley and prove he’s the best ever cos he’s only ever played at good clubs. Such a daft narrative, the best in the world go to the biggest clubs in the world with the best resources. Simple

@dragonballfanscantread2383

5 ай бұрын

@@n4ht4n80 Hardly the greatest when all he's done is ripped off Michels/Cruyff and never done what Fergie and Shankly/Paisley did - build from scratch.

@n4ht4n80

5 ай бұрын

@@dragonballfanscantread2383 opinions r opinions got no problem you thinking fergie, they’re the only two in the conversation in my opinion

@user-tg6vq1kn6v

5 ай бұрын

the point was Pep is entirely UNPROVEN at any club where he doesn't have the best talent and resources available. Barca - he literally walked into managing one of the best XI's of all time. Bayern... Klopp was his only headache. Man City - unlimited resources and can afford to sell his best players at then end of every season... again Klopp his only headache. Pep would do fuck all at Man United - it's not his sort of gig

@n4ht4n80

5 ай бұрын

@@user-tg6vq1kn6v my point is it isn’t his fault that he won everything at his first ever managerial job. If fergie started at United and won everything he wouldn’t have taken a lesser job to prove himself, he’d think of himself as the best in the world and only go up from there. Just because pep succeeded at Barca doesn’t mean he should take a lesser job to prove to everyone when every club in the world wants him

I think europa league would be detrimental to our league form and there’s still a lot of top teams in that competition so not guaranteed to win it

Magpie was so unlucky definitely.. That referee error in Paris eventually proven costly 😡😡

On the subject of the ownerships and who does and doesn’t qualify for the ucl what would happen if girona finished higher in the lge but city won the ucl so they automatically qualify. I imagine girona would h pushed down to the uel but not 100% sure

we dont have the squad to sit back and defend with the injuries we have, 2 years in after being favorites for relegation to champions league who cant be happy

micah is absolutely right about what man utd needs❗️.. they need a couple of real fighting men like: gattuso, keane, makalele, macherano and others like them🎉💪.. i’m a chelsea fan myself and we also need guys like that😉.. and i agree with alan that newcastle is way ahead of schedule and they will figure out, how to cope with that🥳.. i guess they will, when they figure out, its a good thing😎.. btw i ♥️your show🥰.. the chemistry, banter & dialoge absolutely awesome 🥳.. inter in italy is a great example of how to make succes with the right mentality: EVERYTHING for the TEAM😍.. also leverkusen in germany🎉

@hashshashiinme7656

5 ай бұрын

Don't you have caicedo?

@kb5509

5 ай бұрын

Needs more emojis to drive the point home

How is it possible that when people talk about Manchester United they never mention the big injuries we had this season. When talking about Newcastle or Spurs this was always part of the conversation.

Micah Hamilton = Little Meeks

The views go down when Micah came back

That Man U game is the first time i see a team look so bad, from the fans, to the players to the coaches and owners.

Love it boys

The draw was really tough already and with the injuries they picked up it was always going to be an almost impossible task to get out of the group for Newcastle. That being said, they were unlucky with the penalty they conceded at the end against PSG on matchday 5, and may be if they'd got the 3 pts there things could've been different.

So if there are these multi club ownership laws in the CL, explain RB Leipzig & RB Salzburg to me

For any big clubs, for a long time for generations, A player or players had to perform consistently for many many enough seasons and then groomed as star(s) no matter their connections and backgrounds but now new kids on the block generations, even before they join any clubs, they all are superstars, spoiled. thus many are manipulated by unknown commercial forces behind the scenes, not playing as a solid team like passionate young one used to be sort of like before being rich and famous things are used to be careful and sneaky sneaky, but nowadays they make scenes so obvious

After the group stage draws the pundits all said the EPL teams will go though with ease. They are so full of themself. Newcastle had some injury problems. I didn't expect Dortmund winning the group with their fluctuating performances they show in the league

@Mike72-vv5zr

5 ай бұрын

DORTMUND a team Rangers knocked out with the future ballon dor winner in Bellingham

bayer leverkusen can also win the uel probs ? they look really strong.

@bimapriambada1098

5 ай бұрын

Don't worry they will fall off, they are German version of Spurs some pundit from Germany said that. Even though I love them since Lucio,Ballack/went into UCL final era but I know them pretty well that they're not ready yet

@alidaniels2487

4 ай бұрын

As a Liverpool fan, they're the only team I'm remotely worried about in the coming round

Very british comment by Lineker saying West Ham are favourites in the EL - Bayern Leverkusen vs Liverpool should be the final

UEFA's multi-club ownership/Integrity of the competition rules only apply if the same legal entity is a majority shareholder/ controls the majority of the voting rights of two or more clubs. Don't think that applies to City and Girona because CFG aren't the majority shareholders of Girona.

This and the overlap need to do a crossover, and invite thierry henry, that would be incredible 😄🤘

I think Newcastle are and will be hamstrung by ffp and its affect on their ability to sign those top players to take them to the next level. You can say they are ahead of schedule but really they need to be winning a trophy and cementing top 4 in the next 2 seasons. At lot depends on the owners patience when things don't go well. Another important thing for Newcastle is their academy. That needs to start bringing players through for the first team and to sell. As a city fan I find it interesting to watch Newcastle and their development due to the similarities in the ownership. I think football wise they're in a pretty good place, they'll be ups and down for them. But their fans can enjoy the ride. The Premier league is very competitive right now. Probably 3 of the 5 best teams in the world right now. Plus villa, Newcastle, spurs. It's funny English football is in a very strong place right now. Probably the strongest its been since the late 70's early 80's?

Brazilians called Gary? Or perhaps Dutch called Alan lol. Any Italian Micahs????

I don’t know how you can say PSG when they barely scrapped out the group with a bad call in Newcastle and not getting sent to 10 men. They come up against a top team they will get thumped, I don’t know if they make it past the rd of 16.

Maguire over Tomori 😂😂

This trio is GOLD 😂😂😂 MESSI NEYMAR SUAREZ

Wild that people were bemoaning Newcastle finishing bottom of the hardest group while Man United got a free pass for finishing last in a way easier group

@Randomness012

4 ай бұрын

In what way did Man U get a free pass? 🤣🤣 they’ve been absolutely rinsed in the media and on all social platforms.

People are trying to compare Newcastles exit to Utds but there's no comparison one was the easiest group the other was the hardest group one team played for their badge the others just turned up and I'm a Liverpool fan

RB Salzburg and RB Leipzig did play against each other in the Europa League 18/19 and UEFA did not care a tad about its own rules. It was solved with the easiest of legal tricks. Disgrace.

@ewanmorrison9716

5 ай бұрын

UEFA investigated both RB clubs back in 2017 that led to many senior board members having to leave there role and concluded that after the changes nobody at either club had any influence at the other club, this allowed both teams to enter the same competition and not break section 5 of uefa rules

@imagesbirds5066

5 ай бұрын

Nice quoting you the UEFA press release and falling for the charades of Red Bull, but still maiking my point. Both clubs belonged and still belong to RB group, aren't functionally independent. It was, is and will be a disgrace to sporting integrity, when a common owner could dictate the outcome of a game. @@ewanmorrison9716

Love the fact shearer will still be crying about NOCUPCASTLE fumbled out of the carabao cup to a really poor chelsea team 😂😂😂

Supper bummed, I’m a Liverpool fan and I did want to see more premier league teams advance except for Man united 😂😂😂

Does Micah not have an inside voice

Not a mention of Rangers winning ther group , a good away win against an on fire Betis

@yttommy76

5 ай бұрын

This has trended to English pundits talking about English football with typical arrogance and disregard /disrespect for anyone else. All about money and buying players also - Ange proving all the cheap lazy pundits wrong.

didn't know this existed

Why do they look sad when they talk about Arsenal's achievements so far?

What happens if Girona wins their league, City comes in 2nd in the PL, but City wins the Champions League... who goes into next year's CL then?

Lik-a-ninho!!!! 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

Love seeing oil clubs lose.

People are so quick to forget that had Newcastle not been robbed in Paris could possibly be going into the Europa League right now... if not better, perhaps going into the Milan game with even more confidence having beaten PSG on their turf. Now rival supporters can be unmoved by that, but in general it's bad for English football because that has had a significant effect on the coefficient for the league and that one decision could effectively cost England the extra 5th place spot. That should really be of interest this season to the likes of Man Utd, Spurs, Brighton, Villa, West Ham Not only that but the cock up with PSG has actually also robbed Milan, who should technically be going through to the knockout stages now.

@skillen19

5 ай бұрын

As a Villa fan I would be livid if that fifth place CL spot is lost and Man Utd pip us to 4th. Long may they continue losing now.

@hartshaped

5 ай бұрын

@@skillen19 well this is the issue now, had Newcastle gone into the Europa League, the chances of England securing the 5th Champions League spot would have greatly increased. We could get to the end of the season and let's say Villa have a dip in form and end up 5th, they could miss out and while I'm sure the narrative will be "it's Man Utd and Newcastle's fault" but the real truth is had PSG not been given a pen, Newcastle would be in the Europa League boosting England's coefficient.

@skillen19

5 ай бұрын

@@hartshaped that's true but Newcastle had a tougher group, Man Utd had a much easier group and stuffed it up so wouldn't blame Newcastle for failure to secure that 5th spot. For me Man Utd don't deserve a Champions League place for their poor but very funny performance this year.

@ianmuir3640

5 ай бұрын

Years ago in Scotland half the league were in Europe every year due to the coefficient

@owenwadders3689

5 ай бұрын

Defo Newcastle were robbed against psg, that had a massive effect on Newcastle staying in Europe, Cant see PSG getting too far as were fortunate in the group stage!

Why is Micah wearing his nans glasses though ? Lol

Micah tipping psg to win the champions league is woeful ball knowledge, donnarumma is as bad as Onana for mistakes these days