Meltzer sees himself as the elder statesman of wrestling fans. All the marks quoting him over the years has gone to his head making him believe he's some kind of scientist practicing a mysterious science or alchemy.

@maxwelljacobfreedom

Жыл бұрын

The Fauci of wrestling

@RaytheGrayt

Жыл бұрын

@@maxwelljacobfreedom Couldn't have made a better analogy

@bunimaheart95

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen his office lmao

@kingofkings69ner

Жыл бұрын

As someone who's been watching wrestling since the early 80s and knows more about wrestling than your average fan considering that I've been in the wrestling business, I never listened to Meltzer considering that he's never been in the wrestling business.. I don't understand why people listens to Meltzer considering he's full of shit

@jamesedmonds7519

2 ай бұрын

​@maxwelljacobfreedom Fauci is a qualified professional with a lifetime of work behind him. Meltzer is an author who has never formally trained as a wrestler. Crap analogy.

AEW is proof as to why you should ignore Marks.

@BetterCallJamie

Жыл бұрын

AEW is proof is why you should Avoid AEW

@georgebrice8329

Жыл бұрын

AEW is the very example of this Era of wrestling is the worst ever period

@demat1628

Жыл бұрын

I wish Dixie knew this when she was paying attention to them.

@EL_Chapo187

Жыл бұрын

That’s a whole fact

@jacobfloyd8782

11 ай бұрын

You’re a mark, too.

I used to admire George Steele's turnbuckle work

@georgecosrove3651

Жыл бұрын

Ikr. 🤣

@Joe_Parmesan

5 ай бұрын

The Rock's eyebrow work was as phenomenal as AJ Styles' forearm work.

@Scorch1028

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, the way he ate the stuffing out of those turnbuckles, was epic.

@LetsGetDerpy

2 ай бұрын

I really look up to Sting and his face paint work.

@szczesciejestkoloruczarneg749

2 ай бұрын

lol

A modern pace basically means you cut out all of the time that is wasted doing dumb things like locking up, wrestling holds, and selling moves, so you have more time to do exciting things like diving over the ropes, doing flips that almost make contact, and building constructs out of random furniture… Cause professional wrestling shouldn’t look like two guys struggling for control… it should just be guys running around like they’re on meth, wrecklessly throwing their bodies around until they’re paralyzed!

@jbbrolic

Жыл бұрын

Selling is WAY more important for the storytelling in a match than the moves. People bash Hulk but him selling, practically begging for mercy before hulking up doing a few moves and his bad finisher has emotional impact, something you don't get in current era matches.

@gilbertjohnson3622

Жыл бұрын

@@jbbrolic those hulkamanicial eyebrows didn’t hurt also

@lostinthought7349

Жыл бұрын

This guy f**king GETS it 👏 if I had an e-fed that I'd been running since the 90s, I'd hire you in a murmured heartbeat!

@absolutez3r019

Жыл бұрын

Except that's exactly what's wrong with most forms of entertainment today. Everything is explosions and mindless action with no dialog There's no emotional relation to the characters, and if no-one cares about the characters the outcome is meaningless

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

@@jbbrolic bash hulk? What’re you talking about?

It's sad that we never get to see Shane McMahon's tronwork anymore.

@MrSweetpoeticjustice

Жыл бұрын

or Foleys Cage work

@jasonmyers8600

Жыл бұрын

@@MrSweetpoeticjustice Or Val Venis's towel work.

@MrSpeed-lt8gr

5 ай бұрын

or Stone Cold's Beer Work

@mickeyd8768

2 ай бұрын

Triple H's Water Works.... :D

Meltzer has never took a bump ..booked an angle laced up boots or even set up a ring ..why do people listen to him ..I have no clue

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Wut?

Bret and Owen were great turnbuckle workers, Bro!

@brianwait5458

9 күн бұрын

true, especially Bret

Lmao Love it when Russo and Snow shred melter

@darbs3168

Жыл бұрын

It's the best

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

How so...? They’re both almost as bad as he is

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

@@DS-616 fail harder? What?

@bunimaheart95

Жыл бұрын

​@@bustersales6921 why do you watch his show then dumbo

@TL2354

2 ай бұрын

Meltzer

Andre the Giant had great rope work when he’d do the spot where he gets tied up in the ropes

One of the top 5 best Professional Wrestling Matches I've ever seen live in person, was Al Snow vs Val Venis. It was the main event on an independent card at The Grand Casino here in Minnesota. The best part, bar none, had to be their rope work.

Ray Mysterio had top notch rope work

@8Bitorbust

Жыл бұрын

Always Crisp.

Al should start his own podcast.

@JeffLane22

Жыл бұрын

This is from Al's podcast

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

You’re joking right..? Al snow is a clown lol

@Nostalgia9478

Жыл бұрын

@@bustersales6921 Clowns draw, Bro

@Nostalgia9478

Жыл бұрын

Al and Foley would be better than Conrad and Foley

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

@@Nostalgia9478 draw what?

The Japanese Rope Work style is underrated

@VaniFoxOfficial

Жыл бұрын

I would say "rope work" is more of a Mexican thing.

@MasteroftheDDT

Жыл бұрын

I'm a huge Muta mark. Well, I was but lookin back his rope work wasn't very polished

@exiaR2x78

Жыл бұрын

Japanese rope work is shibari, probably what Meltzer gets up to with the Elite lmao

@Spooky_515

Жыл бұрын

Rope work sounds like a porn term. Dave is like “Ray Phoenix was on fire, he put in rope work all over my face! What a savage!”

@8Bitorbust

Жыл бұрын

However, people are starting to take notice. 😉

Captivating rope work. Al is the best.

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

...sarcasm..? Snow is almost as bad as meltzer

@Spooky_515

Жыл бұрын

@@bustersales6921 nah not a chance. Al made a career in the business, not writing about it as an outsider

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

@Random White Dude lol are you being ironic/sarcastic...?

WTF has Dave Meltzer been smoking The guy is legit making New Jack look straight edge lol

@SamsarasArt

Жыл бұрын

Guess Tony's sharing his coke lol

@survivingwatson7430

Жыл бұрын

atleast new jack would be like yo im fucked up so youd expect some wild shit w him😭😭

Austin’s beer work is the best in the business

I learned something new today. When I watch matches from now on, I’ll pay closer attention to their rope work.

The ropes were convinced those guys were killin eachother

I think it's when you hold the tag rope better than the last guy? Ha.

@Am0ment0fB

Жыл бұрын

Oh wait, they don't do tags in tag matches in Aew. Ha.

Earthquake had amazing rope work when setting up his finisher.

Haha I love Al Snow and Vince together.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Said no one ever

These marks today call wrestling holds, "rest holds"

The ring crew does rope work

I assume rope work refers to the ability to spring board off ropes while people stand around waiting for you to land on them.

"Ropework - The skill of using, maintaining, and repairing ropes. It's used by climbers, seafarers and military personnel. Ropework includes tying knots, splicing, making lashings, whipping and making proper usage and storing of ropes" Dave Meltzer must have seen the wrestlers make the ring ropes prior to the match when putting my the ring together. He's so thorough that he incorporates this into the final rating of their matches.

I guess in modern wrestling as in modern music, doing it old school is short hand for doing it right...

Seriously though, we need more Rope Work combined with a Modern Pace and I think that could bring back the casual viewer.

Meltzer is trying to be like Jericho making up saying’s trying to get them to mean something.

"Meltza' gave 'em a 7-stah' match fo' dey'uh rope-wo'hk in da Tokyo Dome, bro!"

Modern pace to me sounds like the hollywood term for "modern audiences" every hack writer uses to excuse there film from being God awful, Dave Meltzer to me is the woke equivalent of wrestling, it's a shame that wrestling is in such a bubble that no one watches it and that these "wrestlers" are all padding themselves on the back constantly for doing horribly in the ratings and in the ring.

@omegamark9178

Жыл бұрын

For real,if they are soooo great in the ring,then why are they able to fill whole episodes of botchamania by themselves

@JohnKobaRuddy

Жыл бұрын

Patting not padding. You are the very modern audience Hollywood talks about.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

​@@JohnKobaRuddyHow so?

Peter North had excellent rope work

Rope work is what they always called doing the jump roap drills in the boxing gym lol never heard of that in wwe

No offense just playing devils advocate, but aren't all wrestling terms made up.

@andrewminnich5106

23 күн бұрын

If you're goona be that guy I'll be the guy who then says well that can be applied to any spoken word language in human existence

Me as a current day wrestling fan that is always for the current thing always likes matches that involve a solid workrate, good ropework and a modern pacing. That is when my wifes boyfriend let's me watch wrestling.

,"I can't cope, piss up a rope"

Too funny

Meltzer has ALWAYS been a joke in the business,it's only because of the bullet club/elite fad that launched him into this conjob of being an "expert"

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Lolwut

I know people look fondly upon the attitude era but looking back on it there's clearly a lack of rope work

Omega and Bucks probably talk to Meltzer about "rope work" all the time so he repeats it... Bucks don't do wrestling they do gymnastics into their opponent's waiting arms maybe it is a gymnastic expression.

Good solid crisp Rope Work!

"Rope Work?" Sounds like an AVN Award

Doink's clown work was top notch. 5 stars!

@omerta316

2 ай бұрын

Dink made it 6

Rope work 🎉

I haven’t had my rope worked in a couple weeks, I’m gonna explode here!

Meltzer just makes words up and the Smarks just eat it up like the dude invented the dictionary, it's quite both sad and pathetic.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Lol calm down, champ

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

Yep

Meltzer must've been thinking of how those cruiserweights jump and bounce on the ropes

I hear Hangman Adam Page knows his way around a rope

"Rope Work?" Sounds like a porn review

It’s like Corny says Dave was bitter the wrestlers didn’t like him for years and now the younger ones worship him, he’s got to make shit up for them to look good.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Kornet is a clown

@kellerblair2952

Жыл бұрын

@@dickhollywood4935 You can’t even spell his name right, so whose the real clown.

5 Star Rope Work

Tajiri, Les Kellett and The Undertaker had awesome rope work. :P I really miss when wrestlers would get tied up in the ropes by the arms or hanging by the neck. That was some 5 star rope work. :P I would argue that Dave isn't an average fan... he is a nob head. PS. Justice for turnbuckles!

@nellsun2521

Жыл бұрын

I remember as a kid watching Andre tie Hogan to the ropes using his ripped vest pieces. It was so obvs fake but my grandad was genuinely disgusted saying "arrrghh!".

@8Bitorbust

Жыл бұрын

Ehh for the most part I agree except I sometimes thought The Dead Man's rope work was stiff. 😉

I don't think Dave is a bad guy, but his thought process really is hurting the business

I thought ‘ropework’ was a boxing term for where your back is to the ropes and you’re defending from punches.

I'll always watch Al Snow lol Work rate is a legit term used within sports tbh and you could use it in Pro Wrestling.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

“I’ll always watch al snow” Said no one ever

@jabronisauce6833

Жыл бұрын

@@dickhollywood4935 Clearly I said it as I enjoy listening to the man... God you wrestling fans are so weird.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

​​@@dickhollywood4935Not a fan huh?

@TL2354

2 ай бұрын

How can it be used in wrestling?

Bro..? Bro...BRO!!

Rey Mysterio has the best rope work in the business. George The Animal Steele had the best turnbuckle work in history.

It's not just the wrestling business. It's the woke ideology

@eaglesandowls

Жыл бұрын

wrong

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

Right

Glad Al has been tearing Dave apart

When you have lads who reckom they dont neer to listen to advice it makes you think how much of the art is being lost. Sad how much will be left in 50 years.

Oh Meltzer has made a whole career of making shit up. So his new term here is no surprise. I’d love to see Meltzer and Al in the same room and have Dave pull “rope work” out. Just so I can see Al’s reaction. 😆

I'm still not entirely sure what workrate is supposed to mean tbh. Back in the day, it was considered to be this weird average of how many moves were performed in a match's runtime but I think even Meltzer backed off on that concept given how ridiculous it is.

@shaolin1derpalm

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't get it. I was almost sucked into it around the ecw era, but to me working is maximum crowd involvement, preferably with minimal filler and maximum efficiency so to me, high workrate would be getting alot out if nothing

Everyone looks up to him because the marks who sat at home fantasizing about wrestling; playing the video games; and running e-fed's got into the business and became wrestlers and promoters. Now, no one cares about drawing money. All they want to do is make friends, have fun, and live out their fantasies and expect other people to pay to see them jerk each other off.

Any hardcore wrestler who has good under the ring work is fine with me

All this talk about rope work and no one is addressing the ring apron work...the steel steps work that goes on during entrances...

Screw Meltzer. Jumped up mark. But I love to see Al get riled up over him haha. Great videos guys

Redefining the term Rope-A-Dope?😆

No wrestler in history had better turnbuckle work than the great George the Animal Steele!

How do you work the ropes? Ever see flair’s way of running the ropes during his heat 😝

You’re just jealous because Dave is so hip, young and cool.

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

😂

Why no turnbuckle work? Eash, the Ropes have a better Union and are in with the Mats.

Hey bro

Rope Work On A Pole Match 😂

Rope work is a perfectly cromulent term.

Personally, I think Vince Russo and Al Snow have captured lightning in a bottle! Oh!! And let's hear it for Ropework!

Wonder what Uncle Dave means when he says uhm uhm uhm you know uhm.

Really isn't every term just made up at some point in a fictional business.

@goodday2760

Жыл бұрын

No.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

@@goodday2760 what...?

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Duh. Words/language mean nothing. Russo & snow are complete nobodies

What work

Just the fact that Dave Meltzer thinks Rey Fenix is any sort of good or relatable wrestler really really really lowers the credibility rating

In the shower, Dave Meltzer has “soap on a rope work”. 😂

stop. bullying. meltzer. bro!!!!

Every supposed smart mark is just a mark nowadays. Hearing how some of them talk about wrestling, even the journos, they don't come across as if they know wrestling at all.

Isn’t the 619 ropework lol Rey Jr.

Given the wrestler Dave was talking about, I'd assume he's talking about the way he walks and jumps all over the ropes in the corner to execute his moves. If Al or Russo have a better description of what he's doing, I'd love to hear it. It's not traditional use of the ropes.

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

Snow is a bum who never drew a dime. Russo is Russo. Not much else needs to be said lol

@hermonymusofsparta

Жыл бұрын

@@bustersales6921 cooe harder

@bustersales6921

Жыл бұрын

@@DS-616 pardon...?

People like to pretend it's not related to politics

Isn't he the same dork that coined the phrase "work rate"?

Does Russo not realise the brand is the nickname of the aryan brotherhood.

Rey Mysterio has unmatched rope work. Also, Taker walking the top rop is amazing rope work for a 7ft man.

@cakeisbetterthanpie9169

6 ай бұрын

So what is rope work?

Salsa music Davis confusing wrestling specialized Japanese BDSM porn, although considering what he's been liking the last few years he probably doesn't understand the difference because some of the people he watches that are in both

Meltzer is good for a few things. Making fun of him. Wait, that's about it.

Melter Magoo

@TL2354

2 ай бұрын

Meltzer

Rope work= How you lasso and hog tie.

Seriously AsspieDave as a fixation on the LuchaCrap "wrestling." I'm going to be spicy with this, but Mexico and Japan never got it right, or understood, what the U.S. guys were trying to teach them. Instead, they took in the information and bastardized the crap out of it by forgetting what psychology is and how to actually work a match. So they took the idea of pro wrestling, then infused it with their "warrior pride" bullshit (Aztec/Samurai crap). It turned it into either,. a circus stunt show where everyone is doing flips and twists and crap at full speed, with no idea of psychology and selling (Lucha), or they legitimately beat each other with strikes and drop each other on their heads , again at full speed, with no idea of psychology or selling (Puro). And because AsspieDave and his ButtBuddyBrian are overly pushing this narrative as both being the be all and end all, not only people getting brainwashed on this propaganda, but this is also resulting in guys/gals actually doing the work risking life, limb, and eyesight on trying to imitate that, honestly, niche garbage from Mexico or Japan. Meanwhile normal guys are either watching WWE or the old stuff.

Russo gets a lot of shit, but he seems like he'd be a fun guy to crack a beer with.

So Ray Fenix does a lot of stuff where he’ll run on the top rope or springboard from the middle to the top rope and stuff like that in super creative ways. Not everybody’s cup of tea but it’s fairly impressive. I actually don’t mind making up a new term for it, because I’ve never seen anyone who uses the ropes like he does. I personally wouldn’t bury someone for 9 minutes because he called it “rope work,” but I’ve never laced up a pair of boots. Basically if Russo had watched the match, or almost any Ray Fenix match, he’d know exactly what Meltzer meant. (This is my first time hearing the term as well, and it was easy enough for me to figure out.) So not sure about the choice to act like Meltzer burned down the Sistine Chapel live on air without bothering to watch the match he was talking about.

@justlookin28

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more.. I understood exactly what Meltzer was meaning with that term.. They haven't seen the match and I'd love to hear what term they would use for Reys style on the ropes? But according to Al snow i wouldn't have a clue because i never wrestled.. lazy argument

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

​@@justlookin28That's not what he said my man

Whats the deal with dave ? Was he a former wrestler? How is he involved in the business who pays him for his botched 5 star system i don't get it.

I don’t think he ever said it was an official “insider term” or something. And I think anyone with a brain (not the people in this video) would understand that he meant the work Fenix was doing from off the ropes.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Duh. Snow & Russo are nobodies

@TL2354

2 ай бұрын

Nothing gets by you, huh

@johnnymizanin4835

2 ай бұрын

@@TL2354 I am smarter than Al, Russo and their fans.

How was the term used in context, and was it an accurate description of what was going on? Did he attempt to do a whole dissertation on the meaning of the term or was it just a throwaway line in a free flowing conversation that didn’t really have any bearing on his overall point. Not the biggest Meltzer fan these days, and there’s a lot you can criticize him for, but this sounds a little petty imo.

@dickhollywood4935

Жыл бұрын

Derp

@lancethefilmguy9392

7 ай бұрын

What he means is that Rope Work isn't a real thing

@Thecallmemisterajp

7 ай бұрын

@@lancethefilmguy9392 And there are traditionalists who clown Russo for describing himself as a “writer” instead of “booker.” He’s not really one to talk. Meanwhile, say what you will about Meltzer, but people tend to dump on him for offhand remarks that really weren’t meant to be emphasized during the conversation, when listening to his show in context it’s clear what he’s trying to say. And I tend to defend Russo more than most, but for someone with his reputation to try that hard to clown someone else on their wrestling knowledge and authenticity is kinda weak.

rope work is a term in the circus I'm not kidding

@SamsarasArt

Жыл бұрын

Kinda sums up the majority of AEW matches.

“You’re killing our views” Haha BRO has 7k views 🤣

There is zero chance that Dave wasn't communicating with some geek, who used this monstrosity of a term, and Dave, being the king of internet wrestling shilllords, took it for himself and nobody is a better example than Rey Fenix, so it just works for the goobers. It's just another moment in pathetic internet wrestling fandom.