I just hope they nail Thrawn, really make him menacing and not feel like a glorified Rebels cameo. The character has so much potential in live action.

@kamilianos

11 ай бұрын

expect the worst so you don't get disappointed but may be positively surprised. I have no faith in Disney...

@legoboy468

11 ай бұрын

@@kamilianosyou should after they hit andor out of the park, have been killing it with bad batch and tales of the Jedi, and been making fun romps with Mando. Even at its worst, I’d still describe the recent Star Wars content as “okay”. And at best it’s amazing!! I don’t get the negativity.

@wordlesslfiddling

11 ай бұрын

​@@legoboy468but but it's not empire strikes back how can I like it its literally not as good star wars was dead the moment they introduced ewoks and yet here I am still watching every show so I can tell people how dead star wars is

I find Baylon to be the most interesting character so far. I actually find the scenes where the villains interact with each other to be the most lively parts of the show. I did think the scene with Hera and Chopper was fun (although she probably could have shot the ship down once they made it into space) and I also liked the scene with Huyang and Sabine.

Static shots and stiff dialogue? He really is George’s prodigy!!!

I particularly enjoyed seeing Hera Syndulla. She's that one friend who keeps hearing and paying attention to everything you have to say. Such a likable character. Baylan Skoll was nice too. I like his confident yet nuanced demeanor. He's a breath of fresh air after watching all those zealous inquisitors.

I think the first two episodes are basically like a prologue for whats to come in the series, since it ends with where rebels ended off, idk just my interpretation

I don't know how this ancient thing knows where Thrawn is since he's only been gone for the better part of 10 years, but my main theory is that it has something to do with the Purrgil. The Nightsisters were once tracking the Purrgil, they're aware that they can go beyond interstellar travel and actually become intergalactic, and word got out to Morgan Elsbeth that he was taken away by them, and the search has been narrowed from any known hotspots for Purrgil in the main Galaxy to a specific location in this other Galaxy. Certainly a bigger thing than I was initially expected, that being the Unknown Regions, but I'm just going to sit back and let Dave Filoni tell his story than try to overthink it.

So far I’m enjoying the Dave lead story telling over the Jon Favreau. Feels more character focused.

@Herkules16

11 ай бұрын

Dialogue feels smoother and more natural to me here than in the Jon lead shows as well

@kiki42719

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I prefer Dave over John by a lot

@ItsAnIsaac

11 ай бұрын

@@kiki42719 I do hope he gets back in the directing chair though. His work on the season 2 premiere feels unmatched

@dancingvalkyrie

11 ай бұрын

More character focused? Literally every character in this show emotes and behaves the same way, the acting and dialogue is robotic af lol

@ItsAnIsaac

11 ай бұрын

@@dancingvalkyrie Compared to Mandalorian though, I feel the characters take there time more to focus on how they’re feeling and what they’re going through. Mandalorian has its moments like this, but it feels mostly plot focused. Here I have a better understanding of where these characters are at mentality.

I definitely noticed the dialogue shots are so boring and flat - just cut to character talking, cut back to other character talking, cut back to first character, back to second, repeat.... No panning, no different angles, no nothing - almost like talking head scenes from The Office.

@Zabrakjedi

11 ай бұрын

Have you ever watched star wars.

Yeah that Baylon line really snatched my attention, in a good way.

I have a different feeling about the acting. Voice delivery may not be dynamic and wide-ranging tonally, but there is a lot of subtlety in the facial expressions and body language. In particular the girl playing Sabine is saying a whole lot with her eyes.

@cnh7262

10 ай бұрын

It’s just bad all around

The main problem for me is the characters somehow show much less emotions than they do in their animated version. They all have stoic faces, say their lines monotonely and have very little chemistry together. Which wasn't the case in Rebels.

@lenseofficial

11 ай бұрын

hera has lots of good facial expressions, rewatch it

@nano31742

11 ай бұрын

Ahsoka’s actress was not the best choice either

@lenseofficial

11 ай бұрын

@@Niop_Tres you might be right, regardless you guys seem like you're just trying your hardest to find things wrong with it, thats all. If anyones lines are dull its ahsoka herself, she speaks so slowly

@stormy6029

11 ай бұрын

It comes down to bad actresses. We can all try to find excuses and say it's because of this or that...but honestly that's what it comes down it. It's not surprising that the male sith is the best character in the show even tho he's not in a lot of scenes. He's the best actor they've got and it shows.

@vojtar111

11 ай бұрын

I am not sure it's down to the actors. More like down to the directors, since it is the same for most of the actors and for sure at least some of them can act better. But yeah, Ray Stevenson has the best performances in these first 2 episodes. RiP @stormy6029

I think the first episode unfortunately had to set up a lot and introduce characters a lot of casual starwars viewers may not know. And those that are more into the shows and animation kinda felt dragged down by the first episode

It feels like the directing wants everyone to be like Din Djarin, slow talking, few words, intimidating monotone. I love Baylan, he's doing everything right.

Star Wars has so much potential to be cinematic, grand and mythological. It’s a shame we’re seeing these TV shows (and even some of the recent films) be a bit paint by numbers. I’m not sure I’m a fan of the StageCraft sets they use either, I think it’s making the stories feel a lot smaller than they should do.

@boat1280

11 ай бұрын

The volume stuff is such a crutch. Every show looks like shit except for Andor

@kamilianos

11 ай бұрын

Well, the big corporations knew about it and one had bought it. Then, they did not know what to do with it. Even their big money could not buy real talent in terms of writing and maintaining the lore.

@thelouisjohnson

11 ай бұрын

@@kamilianos Andor, Rouge One, Mando S1, Solo to some extent too. They can do it, they just don't keep doing it... in light of other big sci-fi franchises atm, Star Wars is falling behind when it could be so much more refined and better produced than it has been.

@comicop2513

11 ай бұрын

Love em or hate em, these stagecraft sets are saving them tens of millions. These shows are operating at a loss, you wouldn't get them otherwise.

@fredericofb

11 ай бұрын

@@comicop2513hate the stagecraft. Should be used sporadically

You're not wrong about the directing & shots. Let's give some leeway to Filoni, though. The man has been making a long & slow transition from animation to live action. Plus, Tony Gilroy has years of film experience under his belt.

@kylebookout1789

11 ай бұрын

Great comment!

I just dont understand how this map made thousands of years ago leads to where Thrawn is in this exact moment. Also, where has Baylen and his companion been with everything that has happened with Grogu?

@eddieharr

11 ай бұрын

thanks for that. Maybe. shrug@@Niop_Tres

This isn’t the first time Star Wars has gone outside of the galaxy: There’s the ending of Empire that got retconned to hell, the Yuuzhan Vong are Extragalactic in Legends and Kamino is Extragalactic although its sister galaxy is within the orbit of the larger galaxy. But this show seems to be introducing a entirely new galaxy that isn’t a sister to the main galaxy. I, like many, was expecting Thrawn to come from the unknown regions, probably back with the Chiss ascendancy. So this new galaxy took me by complete surprise and really opens up the mystery of Thrawns whereabouts

Agree on the acting. I was surprised by how flat Rosario Dawson seems, because I liked her in previous things. But maybe it’ll get better. When Sabine is doing her “I’m too cool for this” bad attitude routine, it just comes off feeling awkward and unnatural, but hopefully as she develops throughout the show the attitude will drop.

Morgan should have said "there is always truth in Legends" as Ahsoka did in Rebels.

The whole different galaxy thing is pretty exciting and weird. Hopefully weird in a good way... I mean, that could double the planets, species, force users, factions, etc. It could potentially be huge for SW going forward.

I'm dissapointed that fans will probably love this more broken and jaded story they did with Sabine and yet they don't like it when they did it with Luke. Otherwise, I liked the first episode a bit better but this one was still fun and left open a really cool future for the next episodes

I'm with you so far. I rewatched a few episodes of Andor just before the Ahsoka premiere. The difference was night/day. So much higher quality in Andor. But I really liked Rebels, so I'm hoping if I think of this as another Rebels season, it'll turn out ok.

When they showed that Thrawn was outside the galaxy I instantly thoight maybe, just MAYBE, we might be getting thr Yuuzahn Vong.

I've always been fond of Disney's take on New Republic era because it's so distrusting of each other. It's the power vacuum that just gets bigger and bigger when it becomes inevitable for the taking. Instead of being cautiously prepared, people are arrogant of what came before and the ignorant are left to pick up the pieces and figure out what to do. The acting still feels stilted in some ways, but I do love the dialogue between Huyang and Sabine. I'm glad it's not making the villains unrelatable or easy. It's like a game of cat and mouse and the new Republic and good characters don't realize they are the mouse from a looming cat waiting to strike. I'm still floored by the soundtrack and the visuals. I just feel truly spoiled as a Star Wars fan because we are getting live action content that either nods to what came before and in general it's just nice to see when all you're Star Wars reading connects to what was established.

Again, I agree with your critique. And yes, despite the negatives, things seem to be improving. Wizard!

Il make this point: this show has some fine ass actresses in it

One thing I find funny is the people who are "done" with Star Wars boycott this without even watching the fucking thing. They're clowns, they call Ahsoka boring but praise Andor lmaoooo

Both are amazing.

I feel the same with the acting, and the somehow unfazed Sabine with the lightsaber stab, but enjoying and looking forward to it

I like both. :/

@lenseofficial

11 ай бұрын

@@Kryptomi who says he's taking it personally?

@boat1280

11 ай бұрын

You can have a different opinion than someone lmao, it’s ok

@Zabrakjedi

11 ай бұрын

@@boat1280 sounds like you can't handle that my opinion is different than Greedo.

@swishfish8858

11 ай бұрын

​@@boat1280No you can't. This is the Star Wars fandom. If you disagree, you're evil!

@al112v4

11 ай бұрын

Eh I agree with Greedo. Andor did pretty much everything better than this show on the first 2 episodes respectively.

I feel like the lightsaber fight with the ex-inquisitor didnt look great ewpecially because of the overcast sky clashing with ahsoka's lightsabers, if it was maybe just turning dusk, the sabers couldve stood out more against the background

Ironically, the best way to make this show look more visually interesting would be to make the camera look more flat and static, like the OT. Give it that lived-in, real feeling. It looks too clean, too professional, too hi-fi. The purgill being obviously CG but having that puppet-like stop-motion twitchiness really created a dissonance for me, and my roommate, who Im watching this very slowly with, agrees.

Imagine if we got the , cinematography, directing and writing level of andor, but with these characters and stories, the best if Both world, that’s would be sick, but just like the prequels Dave Faloni like George is a great storyteller and world builder, it’s just in his directing he’s not super great at communicating emotional personality in his actors and scenes, I mean there are certainly amazing moments in the prequels in terms of acting, and same with Ahsoka, but both projects contain stale performances a lot of times

I really enjoyed both episodes. I hope you can enjoy the coming episodes! If not, then I’m sure you’ll be looking forward to Andor season 2!

I'm afraid you're not gonna like much anymore if you keep comparing everything with Andor 😏 And yes, I absolutely enjoyed Ahsoka so far.

I really hope it gets better! Totally agree with everything you said

These first two episodes have been the two most serviceable episodes of Star Wars i've ever seen. Never watched Rebels, but watched TCW. That might play a factor.

The direction feels like its taken a ton of inspiration from the prequels, which isn't the best

Honestly I agree with you, for me the only thing that bothers is the weird flat acting. Long pauses between lines, scenes drawn out without any reason. I get the style they are going for, but it's not directed good enough. But that's the only problem I have. Maybe the lightsaber duels a bit also, I wish they would use less fast cuts

100% agree, glad to see I'm not alone.

Two takeaways from this episode: 1. I'm really getting tired of the 8-episode limited series. They just feel like movies stretched out just a bit too much, which leads to mid-seasons that really drag. 2. That line about how people are still loyal to the Empire just because of greed really bugs me. I want to see something Star Wars dive into the people that support the Empire out of a place of ideology. Not to glorify the bad guys or anything, but think about the storytelling possibilities you could get out of a character that supports the Empire because, while they definitely did horrible things, still sees it as an overall net positive for the galaxy.

@Newt0rz

11 ай бұрын

It also didn't strike me as a very astute observation. Ahsoka was taking what the boss said about his workers at face value, and these dudes made a point of screaming for the Empire before they shot futilely at her. Greed is hardly motivation enough to become a martyr.

I really think the villains are the best part of the show so far. Baylan is a very interesting character, a Jedi from the Clone Wars who is a mercenary for the Empire and wanting Thrawn’s return with all of the different motivations is fantastic. He is a different kind of villain with layers that aren’t stereotypical for antagonists. The shipyard part was great, bringing in good dialogue and action. But some of the characters feel static like you pointed out. Still not the biggest fan of Star Wars Rebels, so I have some of that bias.

Glad you enjoyed this one more!

I completely agree. The acting (particularly from the actress portraying Hera) is noticeably lacking. The idea of the story itself and it’s direction are great. And especially the relationship between Baylon and Shin totally works. On the whole, I do like Ahsoka so far (in spite of some legitimate acting issues). I believe Baylon and Shin are going to turn out to be Dark Jedi (not Sith). To explain the differences SORT OF think of it in terms of Superhero/Supervillain archetypes. Hero = Jedi (Luke/Obi-Wan) Anti-hero = Grey Jedi (Ahsoka/Qui-Gon Jin) Anti-villain = Dark Jedi (Baylon/Shin/Mara Jade as the Emperor’s Hand) Villain = Sith/Inquisitors (Vader/Palpatine/Maul) That’s my VERY oversimplified generic understanding/explanation of the “differences” between the primary Force wielding archetypes.

@fundhund62

11 ай бұрын

To my mind, the acting has been the best in live-action Star Wars since 2005.

@wilmeech

11 ай бұрын

Can you point to specific lines for the acting? Becuase I honestly have no idea what you mean

@ArlenKundert

11 ай бұрын

@@fundhund62I’m very happy you enjoyed it. For me, I’m not at all getting the same “Mama Bear” tenacity and “…when I say ‘jump’, you say ‘how high?’…” military leadership persona that the animated version of Hera projected. Not trying to push you to dislike it in anyway, but I personally feel so far her portrayal and continuation of Hera is somewhat lacking. I still very much enjoy the show on the whole, and maybe the acting will improve or grow on me, or a bit of both.

@ArlenKundert

11 ай бұрын

@@wilmeech ​​⁠take for example how she (Hera) engaged with the dude on Corellia, vs say how the animated Hera engaged with Thrawn in the battle on Atollon. I get that those are very different scenarios, but even though Thrawn had objectively the advantage, Hera still TOLD Thrawn “what’s up”. In all of Hera’s live action engagements, she doesn’t feel like she commanding the situation, more reacting to it.

Most importantly, Chopper is still a tiny psycho.

I’ve like both episodes more. It’s definitely in the building stage, but I like it so far

It's not just you @hellogreedo.Original Rebels felt more like 1977 Star Wars than anything else in AGES. So far Ahsoka feels more like the prequels: slow and self-serious

I agree with what you said about the acting and cinematography. I'd also add that lightsaber action is absolutely boring and uninspired. The bad guys are actually interesting and I hope they do something interesting with the other galaxy. I truly hope star wars will be able to create something with the mystical and force aspect on par with what Andor was for the political and ideological aspect. That said, I feel like Ahsoka has at least a story it wants to tell, while the Mandalorian kinda lost it after season 2. Many of the problems of this show could have been avoided making it an animated show probably

Will we get a blue force ghost Kanan? Or is that season 2 kinda stuff

I hope we get a bunch of chiss ascendancy stuff along with thrawn.

I feel like the biggest hurdle this show has to overcome is to get me to like/care about the characters who aren’t Ahsoka. Part of the reason I didn’t like Rebels was because I didn’t really like the characters that show introduced.

I haven’t watched it yet but I have a feeling it’ll be great or terrible or really good, really bad, pretty good, okay, or not good

Hey Greedo! I love your 3P0 Ewok picture. Do you happen to know where you got it?

Haven't eeen a hellogreedo in a long time.

It's official. Lightsabers are useless. Sabine got Qui-Gon'd and was up and about a couple of days later. That infuriated me.

@christiancividino455

11 ай бұрын

Not quite. Placement was different, Sabine was stabbed on the far side of torso while Qui-gon was stabbed dead center. It’s like with real life stab wounds, some are instantly fatal and some aren’t depending on where damage is sustained. Also Obi-wan had to fight Maul for several minutes so Qui-gon didn’t get quick medical attention like Sabine did. How quickly treatment is administered ie surgery also has huge effect on survival rates for stabbings.

The visuals are definitely going for the visual aesthetic of rebels which works fine in animation but less so in live action

Andor was the most George Lucas thing created in a while Ahsoka is more laser sword stuff, though I, like you, enjoy the Baylin character

Classic hello greedo, love it.

I have to say I fully agree with your thoughts on these episodes. I've been surprised at the amount of purely positive feedback the show has recieved. Hey, I'm still excited for the rest of the season, but these episodes havent been great imo

tbf, beginnings never were Filoni's strong point

Not spoilers, just speculation. I think they’re playing with the Yuuzan Vong. Maybe the Grysk? So in my theory, Thrawn and Ezra got dragged out to that neighbouring galaxy and they’re coming back, but with a warning. The “other species from the next galaxy” are coming. Thrawn knows who they are, because the Chiss are already familiar with them. Now what I’d love to see, is a curveball. I’d like to see that Palpatine saw this coming, way before episode 1 in the world between worlds. He created the Empire and a method for creating a standing army quickly. He needed to rapidly unify the galaxy because the threat that’s coming is massive. It makes Palpy the “sort of” good guy. It flips Star Wars on it’s head, it shifts the paradigm in a way that the franchise sorely needs. Your whole perspective of every event is changed by knowing what Palpatine saw and why he did what he did; he was actually trying to save everybody, by force, by dark means, because there isn’t time. I’d genuinely love to see that, but that’s just me. It also explains “somehow, Palpatine returned”, because he did, through the world between worlds. Someone scooped him out like Ezra did to Ahsoka, before he hit the bottom of the tower…

Are we really going to skip over the fight scene between Shin and Sabine? Are we all seriously pretending that nonsense didn't happen?

@ModeMan101

11 ай бұрын

It was just a training lightsaber, they don't do as much damage when you're impaled by one.

@jmorgan3977

11 ай бұрын

@@ModeMan101 Whatever. Who said that?

@ModeMan101

11 ай бұрын

@@jmorgan3977 I did, sarcastically. 😉

Amazing

Morevillian scenes in general is good

Were it not for the unfortunately necessary exposition, I think these first two episodes would have worked much better cut down into a single installment. I agree that the whole thing has seemed rather cold and stiff thus far, with scenes and story beats feeling overly drawn out and a general feeling of emptiness permeating the whole thing. One could argue that might be what Filoni was going for, but if so, the execution seems a little too stuck in the shallow end of reverence for its predecessors.

I agree overall with this take. Sabine in particular seems very off to me. Her character as shes being portrayed seems not only flat, but also unrealistic.

Yes I agree. I enjoy it but it's missing something. Perhaps you're right… I'll have to watch again and look for the acting. I found Dawson's performance a bit dull.

Idk what I love more...The awful dialogue? The horrendous acting? The hilariously bad fight scenes? The terrible chemistry the actors have with each other? It's so hard to decide...

@ArlenKundert

11 ай бұрын

The dialogue wasn’t so bad (to me). The acting (primarily Hera) is definitely lacking. The fight scenes aren’t awful, but they are only okay, but absolutely not great. The chemistry between the good gals, yeah, that’s very much lacking (again, especially the actress portraying Hera). The Bad Guys/Gals, that’s been pretty much spot on; be it, acting, dialogue, chemistry and so on. Sadly, my biggest criticism is that we’re not getting any more of Baylon after this (for obvious reasons 😢). Ray really is bringing it as Baylon. I’m assuming he and Shin are ultimately going to turn out to be not Sith, but Dark Jedi. My vastly oversimplified understanding of the difference between Jedi, Grey Jedi, Dark Jedi, and Sith is generically somewhat akin to the differences between Hero, Antihero, Antivillian, and Villain. EDITED: And yes, I get why the comparison between Hero/Antihero/Antivillain/Villain and Jedi/Grey Jedi/Dark Jedi/Sith is at best an imperfect analogy. I’m just trying to keep it simple.

@eliwatchedthat

11 ай бұрын

@@ArlenKundert funny you mention Hera’s acting. I thought she was a lot more like her animated character than any of the other characters were. Besides Ryder, of course. Clancy always delivers. Sabine and Ahsoka felt like different characters and the acting definitely felt stiff for both of them IMO.

@ArlenKundert

11 ай бұрын

@@eliwatchedthat and for me, live action Hera was as far from animated Hera as I could imagine. I didn’t at all feel the “Mama Bear” tenacity that she had in Rebels. Sabine for me felt much closer (but still off) to Tia’s performance from the cartoon of a smart, slightly snarky, fearless engineer, albeit feeling a little forced at times. Rosario Dawson also felt like a mostly accurate continuation of the evolution of the character of Ahsoka. At least that’s the world according to Arlen…

@eliwatchedthat

11 ай бұрын

@@ArlenKundert I see where you're coming from. I think Disney is trying to show us that a decent chunk of time has passed since Rebels and that these characters have developed into who they are now. However, the lack of background info as to why these characters have developed the way they did and why they are the way they are now leaves a lot of unanswered questions. It's only been two episodes, so I'm hoping that the rest of the show can answer some of those questions and bring a bit more life to these beloved characters.

@vojtar111

11 ай бұрын

​@@eliwatchedthat I am totally for character development, but I dislike when significant stuff happens off screen. Like what's the point of watching 2 episodes of Sabine and Ahsoka settling their beef and being butthurt towards each other when we didn't even see what happened between them. Also Ahsoka as a (ex)Jedi could be a little nicer when trying to reconnect with Sabine again. I am not happy about how Disney Jedi now are the ones who like give up on others and become misserable.

I defiantly have an issue with the acting. Aside from Ray Stevenson and David Tennant, most of the acting is just very flat, especially for Hera, Sabine and yes, even Ahsoka. All the personality and energy Ashley Eckstein, Venessa Marshal and Tiya Sircar brought to those characters is just absent for me. I also don't get what's made Ahsoka such a stick in mud, all that energy, that spunk, is just gone. Also she's acting surprised that Sabine is rebellious and doesn't listen, when 1, that's how she's always been, and 2, Ahsoka wasn't any different in her youth. Maybe that'll be something that gets brought up later. But when you think about it, with the exception of Obi Wan and Yoda, the entire line of Master and Apprentice Ahsoka is a part of is full of those who were rebellious and didn't listen, i.e. Dooku, Qui Gon, Anakin, her and now Sabine.

The show is okay they just need to either pick up the pace or replace some of the actors, or cancel it.

For me, the two episodes nearly had me in tears. This is what I wanted when i entered the cinema in 2015. These are the sequels.

Yuuzhan Vong War... Star Wars was cool... new Galaxy

Vong!!!

I think the show looks fantastic. And the acting is pretty darn good. Totally disagree with you in these areas.

Some of the scenes are shot for shot homages to previous movies & shows, which is awesome. The scene with Shin & her spy droid on Lothal is shot exactly like Maul & his droid on Tatooine in Phantom Menace - good stuff.

@MartinFGayford

11 ай бұрын

It’s like poetry - it rhymes

Love this show so far, has great potential

I have much of the same issues with Ahsoka that Greedo has. The acting and the dialogue do feel very flat and dull, also utterly emotionless, while visually I would call the show okay, but uninspired. Action scenes are dynamic, but lack proper tension. In animation, you could get away with any Force-user single-handedly cutting through a bunch of droids or soldiers, but those scenes do not translate well into live-action, because it's unrealistically easy, with no sense of a struggle. Same thing with lightsaber fights, in animation no one bats an eye, but here I would like them to have meaning. Maybe my biggest issue though is feeling that this show was made JUST for fans. Mando's S1 (which I'm actually not a big fan of) wasn't, and Andor definitely wasn't, I could actually watch that show with family who have only ever seen the movies and they still enjoyed and understood the story they told... but Filoni's stuff is always heavily aimed at diehard fans. I've watched tons of stuff and read about 120-130 novels from the old EU, but I don't want these series solely catering to the most devoted fans, I want them to be accessible. Not just good Star Wars (whatever that means), but good stories in their own right that anyone can enjoy, even if they are not in too deep. And with Ahsoka, I feel myself beaten in the head with Rebels and other lore. Have you seen Rebels? You should have seen Rebels! Do you know the lore? You should know the lore! Well if you don't, here is 30 minutes of exposition to tell you why these characters are important and why you should like them or care about them. Doesn't do the trick? Too bad for you then. I think this is a pity, because the protagonist (Ahsoka) and the antagonist (Thrawn) are both among the most intriguing characters that the EU or non-cinematic Star Wars ever came up with and both have the potential to be iconic in live-action. From that perspective, I really would have preferred if Filoni introduced them in a more standalone way, instead of making his show a sequel to Rebels. You know, to make these great characters more accessible. That's usually my problem when lifelong fans like Filoni make shows for fans, we're lost in the details and the lore. Story and characters to me is more important than the lore. The silver lining is that Andor didn't hook my immediately either, so there may still be a chance of this turning out to be good, but I definitely want more spark and substance from the actors and the story.

The inconsistency on how these Disney plus Star Wars shows are being filmed is so annoying.

I'm the opposite, i find the dialogue in Ahsoka more interesting than Andor, i really got bored of Andor. I preferred the Boba Fett show over Andor. Different Opinions make the world go around!! be boring if we all agreed on everything. I don't think we should be too harsh on Dave Filoni i think we should give him a some slack so we can get him producing 'consistency' (star wars needs consistency imo) & Dave's previous shows Rebels and Clone Wars were a slow burn and you had to hang with those shows through their early days to get to the real meat and potatoes, and they were worth the wait.

I totally agree, there is something about the direction when it comes to the dialogue that make the characters dull. Everything else is top notch.

its always the same with dave. its starts bad and stupid and it ends on massive payoffs amd great storytelling. he just loves to plant shit in a boring way so that you explode when shit hits the fan

Although I agree the acting is wooden, Star Wars has always had wooden acting, so I didn’t mind it.

Classic Greedo lol

You gotta nail the writing. Unfortunately Filoni ain’t a writer - like his mentor and while some of that wooden charm harkens back to the good ole trilogy days; it does indeed tend to fall flat. Disappointed thus far - it’s boring, paced slowly, and that dialogue is cringe.

Surely you watch good shows other than Andor, no? Did Andor ACTUALLY spoil you? I mean, I'm watching this show totally not thinking about Andor, and I still don't like it. I have experience with other types of storytelling outside of Star Wars that has shaped my taste. That's what's "spoiled" me if anything.

sounds unbearable to me. flat acting and bad camera work, from all i heard sounds like a good thing to sleep to but not so much to watch

I just can’t get into it, something is missing here. Bland, boring, slow moving show. Acting is horrible and it’s not immersing me. Wish it didn’t try so Hard to “girl boss” Everything. Why are they playing her force abilities Down?