I love the fact Dave said 'I didn't interrupt him' then checks himself and says maybe he did 😂😂

@jaccblikky8977

Жыл бұрын

A rare time where he's held himself accountable

Two things can be true at once: - Punk should've kept his cool during the scrum and addressed the rumors at another time; - Khan should've drawn a line in the sand with the EVPs and Hangman Page, as well as address the Colt Cabana rumors;

@MyChannel-ol1zz

Жыл бұрын

You’re asking too much of people to understand that.

@RolfeSenpai

Жыл бұрын

@PUFB Why not? Mr. McMahon was the most successful heel character in history, and he literally ran the whole company. As long as you put business before your own ego, you can make it work.

@joeyskywalker1322

Жыл бұрын

@PUFB The Elite since late 2019 to early 2020 have only been EVPs by name they have no real power

@joeyskywalker1322

Жыл бұрын

@@RolfeSenpai Vince was a on screen character he wasn’t a wrestler it’s definitely a conflict of interests not to mention Vince wasn’t a mark

@RolfeSenpai

Жыл бұрын

@@joeyskywalker1322 Vince literally made himself the world champion and was the main villain of his own promotion for years, what are you smoking? lol. The entire main event of Wrestlemania 2000 revolved around Vince and his family fighting one another. Vince wrestled multiple times on PPV, including Mania. Did you even watch the Attitude Era my dude?

The difference between MMA and pro wrestling is you have to look after the other person in the ring. If you don’t trust the other person to do that you don’t work together. Simple as.

@robbymarton74

Жыл бұрын

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 How old are you? 😒

@nebulous798

Жыл бұрын

@@robbymarton74 What did they say that you took issue with? Its true, Professional Wrestling is a two men dance, to do any high risk spots you have to trust the other person has your back. Or you just saw 'MMA' and immediately started typing?

@carlosr6462

Жыл бұрын

there're multiple cases of guys that hated each other but still work with each other in the ring, it's call being a professional...

@user-cx9gq2ud6t

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosr6462 edge and Matt hardy is a perfect example

@paha4209

Жыл бұрын

I would rather say the difference to MMA or Boxing is that the people who have beef don´t see eachother on a weekly basis backstage like it is likely the case in wrestling.

Even after all of this the answer is maturity. Maturity can fix this. Even after the fight, realizing you were wrong and forgiveness, maturity could fix it. Putting what's best before your ego, all parties, could fix this. As a fan I hope they do

@pooldead7712

Жыл бұрын

Punk has always caused trouble where ever he has gone, punk gone is whats best

@chero666

Жыл бұрын

Wrestling has a long history of temper tantrums and immaturity, sadly

@kyril98741

Жыл бұрын

They already try to fix this after hangman done that promo before Don. Punk was petty enough to go to public space and humiliated Hangman and the Elite. You need both side to be mature and you can see why aew only bringing back the elite.

@blablablaa14

Жыл бұрын

CM Punk is not a mature person

@vonryan5248

Жыл бұрын

I get that Punk is not mature nor humble, I hope he gets there.

This will be a great Dark Side of the Ring episode

@TheSilentHeel

7 ай бұрын

Nah, I don’t think there’s enough there. It would be a pretty weak episode imo because no one is really gonna talk.

As a CM Punk fan for years, I can say that Phil Brooks is his own worst enemy. AEW rolled out the red carpet for him. Heck All Out was Punk’s crowning moment. And yet the guy STILL could not be happy and made the entire company look bad in public, intentionally. At this point, he is more trouble than he’s worth and I hate saying that. But it’s true.

@kyril98741

Жыл бұрын

They even made stupid decisions to do stupid squash match and try to get Punk to become ultimate Chicago babyface.

@jamiejones8521

Жыл бұрын

The not so elite made him look bad for several months taking shots on BTE.

@Haiirofox

Жыл бұрын

Your Dad needs help.

@gjcfp36

Жыл бұрын

I don't think he meant to make the company look bad, he just couldn't control himself. Which is arguably worse and why as a Punk fanboy I can understand them not bringing him back. The dude just clearly has almost no self-control. How do you put a guy like that on live TV again??

@ParvezKhan-jg8gj

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the hangman page's promo This is where everything has started.

Can't wait for punk to tell his side of this story on the jim cornette podcast lol 🤣🤣🤣

The prophecy of Eddie Kingston comes to completion.

@thisguysays1081

Жыл бұрын

Turns out both Moxley and Kingston were right. "CM Punk: Fragile mind, fragile body, fragile ego."

The recurring theme of this whole mess, whether It's Hangman line or the allegations of the Elite spreading rumors about him, is Colt Cabana. I think that's the point, I think it's still all about this obsessive grudge Punk has with Cabana, this perceived betrayal by a friend he never got over and everything that relates to It infuriates Punk in an unhealthy and maybe patological way. Think about it, both Kingston and MJF said much worse worked shoot stuff in their feuds people could believe to be true. Kingston screamed at Punk that nobody wanted him there. MJF questioned if Punk was ever capable of being a top star in the first place, saying he was always second in WWE to guys like Cena and Triple H because he wasn't as good. But they also hinted at Punk being secretly a bad guy in disguise. When I watched Hangman's promo I thought It was exactly the same kind of worked shoot stuff they were saying and part of this recurring theme of "Is Punk just pretending to be a nice guy and will he turn heel and reveal himself eventually?". Except I actually thought Hangman was the tamer of the three. Why would Punk get so angry to bring it up 3 months later and be three times as unprofessional as Hangman was, publicly ruining a character AEW invested in for three years. And why would he be so angry to do that tirade at hte scrum, which managed to be damaging to both himself, as he truly looked like a mad man, and the company, who he buried in different ways? And when you consider It all started from forcefully looking for a way to bring up Colt Cabana himself during the scrum and keep referring to him while being in complete denial about it, saying he didn't care about him and in the same breath mocking him for sharing a bank account with his mother, that's really all It comes down to. Punk is obsessed and paranoid about this situation to the point of becoming completely irrational about it.

@jackhughes7637

Жыл бұрын

I think you're missing the fact that Hangman didn't run it by Punk. Kingston and MJF talked everything through with Punk. That's the difference.

@9087ac

Жыл бұрын

💯

@BlackWind-rx5il

Жыл бұрын

@@jackhughes7637 I didn't miss it. I don't think It was right from Hangman either. I just don't think Punk's reaction to it is "proportional" to what Hangman did. Punk says it's a matter of professionalism, then turns around and acts twice as unprofessional as him. He says it's about a shoot comment ruining his image, yet Hangman's line Is fare less effettive in that reguard than many worked shoot lines by Kingston or MJF that were green lit by him. He says "he's trying to run a business", while proceeding to piss on that business by saying the management is bad, the talents are bad and make It to the top of AEW doesn't really count as "doing anything in the wrestling business". Punk was irrational and inconsistent all throughout. It's all "do as I say not as I do". And It all stemms from the Colt Cabana thing. Hangman's comment was about him, the Elite rumors were about Punk wanting Cabana out of AEW, the whole tirade at the scrum revolved around Cabana. It's clear as the light of day.

@East10Outpost

Жыл бұрын

Well said. It's strange to me too. Rather or not hangman cleared it with punk, what he said was VERY subtle and only known to punk. Punk made it known to the world when he pulled his stunt. Honestly I was over the moon punk was coming back, but he's proved to just be a spoiled brat. Hard pass

@FrozenSurf

Жыл бұрын

@@jackhughes7637 oh boo hoo. Poor punk. He needs to grow up

It is really like night and day with Dave being on video versus audio only.

@johnwetmore9559

Жыл бұрын

When he’s on audio he’s probably also working on other stuff and that’s why he rambles.

My dad is a huge CM Punk fan and he’s freaking out right now. When Punk lost the title on Dynamite my dad threw the remote at our TV and now there’s a giant crack in the glass. 50” OLED TV pretty much ruined over a pro wrestling match.

@scesfizia

Жыл бұрын

Your dad sounds likes a moron. I hope you didn’t inherit his iq.

@wingsofdomesticthreats

Жыл бұрын

Smh i know that feeling far too well, broken many flatscreens with my fists.

@sangan3202

Жыл бұрын

what a mark

@TheEDSguy

Жыл бұрын

@@wingsofdomesticthreats I hope you’re speaking as Wings rn lololol😂

@quentinkaasa47

Жыл бұрын

Lol That reminds me of when The Rock ended Punk's historic title reign at the 2013 Rumble. There was a news story about an old man who had his liquor store broken into and he was robbed. When he was being interviewed about it, the old man said he was more upset about The Rock beating Punk for the World title.

I'm really gonna miss seeing the Punker in AEW. This would make a great episode of Dark side of the ring though.

All this debacle has only person to blame... Tony Khan! Tony could have prevented this months ago but he allowed this because " it makes good wrestling if the wrestlers hate each other in real life"(words he said when asked about heat between Baker and Thunder)

@imfreviews

Жыл бұрын

You are totally correct. Too bad Tony only knows the words, not what they really mean.

@SeanStrife

Жыл бұрын

In defense of Thunder Rosa and Britt Baker, they're also professional enough to put their personal issues aside to put on the best product they can. That's something Punk just wasn't able to do.

@twodogsandstuff

Жыл бұрын

All of this could have been avoided had TK been the boss and steered that media scrum away from the tirade. He sat there making stupid faces while punk buried the company. If TK would have interrupted and said something like: "Hey, we are getting off topic, we just had a great ppv and a great main event. Lets focus on that." And if Punk ignored him and continued anyway then he would be in the position to just fire him. I like Punk and its a shame everything went the way it did.

@imfreviews

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanStrife You could be right, but we don't know what he did or didn't try to do. Dave himself says that there were rumblings, and clearly Tony did little or nothing about it. Punk is in a position where he doesn't need the job and could speak out - how many others are there who maybe aren't so fortunate?

@joeyskywalker1322

Жыл бұрын

@@imfreviews Punk got heat in AEW once Colt stop being featured on AEW and that just happened to be around the time Punk came to AEW Tony khan was actually gonna release Colt but the AEW locker room went to bat for him and TK sent him to ROH instead

Lmao at Dave making it super clear he wasn't his usual interrupting self with Brett. Can't wait to see it lol

“You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

Good stuff Garrett!

@starbreaker269

Жыл бұрын

Didn't expect to see you geekdom

@AndersonTenecela

Жыл бұрын

Geekdom!!??

I can’t see the video version of the podcast on the wrestling observer website it’s still audio for me. Why is that?

One of the best Returns of all Time is ruined. Such a Shame. It's so sad.

@christophermarriott1681

Жыл бұрын

His return wasn't ruined. CM Punk ruined his run.

@juliolopez6289

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermarriott1681 Shit talking children helped push that along though.

@nickhughes8179

Жыл бұрын

No, the Elite couldn’t handle that Punks segments drew 1.025-1.4 million while their goofy cosplay crap would dwindle that audience down to 750,000-875,000. Punk exposed the Elite for the phonies and delusional twits they truly are.

@juliolopez6289

Жыл бұрын

@@nickhughes8179 Stop Nick when he's telling lies!

@ps3Rambo21

Жыл бұрын

Blame page and the elite for being jealous of punk.

I think a lot of people are gonna ease off of Dave when they see how swole he is

@nebulous798

Жыл бұрын

this made me lol

@saief3213

Жыл бұрын

Years holding that microphone up

@bigdaddyroy5382

Жыл бұрын

Why so he can try to work you? Just cause he's jacked up on shit doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. Goldberg vs jericho is a prime example Goldberg got taken down by jericho 20 yrs ago almost not when Goldberg is in his 50s

@nickhughes8179

Жыл бұрын

Blablablaa Steroids are a hell of a drug. One of Dave’s arms is bigger than both Cucamonga kids combined.

@lexorcism

Жыл бұрын

@@bigdaddyroy5382 Woosh

i wonder what would have happened if the rumor of punk being why colt wasnt on AEW didnt get reported on. Would page have cut that promo? would Punk found it in himself do go down the road he did mentally. Would things culminated to this point or would things have lasted longer? But for the Observer and youtube channels, its worked out great, gave them something they could milk money out of for all its worth. So atleast its not a sad situation for Dave. "you can make money off it"

@GreyLeo

Жыл бұрын

Nope it wouldn't have more than likely cause we know elite made it up cause how else would we know that Nick Jackson "Saved" Colts job? Also TK should be blamed because after Hangman cut that promo and said "I'm not worried about getting into trouble in the back." TK should of said as soon as Hangman made his non drawing money behind to the back after you match with Punk you're gonna raise his hand and you will be suspended for a month with no pay. Also I believe if Cody was still there this wouldn't of happened the way it did

@BainesMkII

Жыл бұрын

Even if it wasn't this particular trigger, something would eventually have happened with Punk. "Locker room cancer" isn't limited to a single event, and Punk has a history of making enemies seemingly everywhere he goes.

@SplitGoose

Жыл бұрын

@@BainesMkII Who said he was a cancer. Because tons of the guys backstage loved Punk. He was a major force of good for the youth going forward. Now all they have are the Elite unfortunately. Hopefully Daniel Bryan steps way up into a locker room leader role. But why should he. He has a family to dedicate himself to instead. Welcome to the fall of AEW. Maybe it'll last as long as Impacts fall lol

@Matt-cr4vv

Жыл бұрын

I think something would’ve eventually happened anyways. I think Punks time in AEW really blasted a light on the fact that he is almost impossible to please. After listening to his podcast with Colt back in the day I totally understood his issues regarding his injuries and travel. But the issue he had with his placement and wrestlemania etc just came off to me like someone who got 85% of what they wanted and decided that because they didn’t get all of it that their entire time was a waste and horrible. And seeing how things went with AEW firmed that up for me. Look at his time in AEW as a whole. He came in and got the treatment of the top star from day 1 (which I agree he deserved). He gets a light schedule like everybody there does. He likely was being paid millions of dollars. Even when he got hurt he came back in the same spot he was in and immediately won the world title back and unfortunately got hurt right away. But even with all of that good that happened he chose to use his spotlight to tear down a ton of people in the company. Even without the post scrum fight his choice of how to be in the scrum would’ve taken all of the focus off the show and any success it had and instead focus on everything negative that he chose to say. Even if you agreed with the stuff he had an issue with such as hangman’s promo just consider the fact that he waited months to air it publicly. He easily could’ve squashed that behind the scenes in that time but chose not to. To me that says that whether it was this or something else he would’ve eventually found some issue.

@SplitGoose

Жыл бұрын

@@BainesMkII I don't want to be THAT guy. But you only named Jericho and we all know Jericho is just looking out for himself and his spot.

Sometimes listening to Dave is physically painful

We'll definitely hear all sides of this story one day. It isn't going to happen while everyone is still active wrestlers, especially in AEW, but once the Bucks, Kenny, Page, and Punk are all retired and/or out of the company, they'll tell the whole story, just like Bret and Shawn did. As for Cody, I think he had similar issues to Punk. He didn't like how the Bucks and Kenny were doing things, but I think he was going to stay and work through it until he got the offer from WWE which was probably higher than what Tony was willing to offer a guy who could never be world champion and never be truly be the main event. Cody really hurt his value in AEW with that world title stipulation. The big offer from WWE and his issues with the Elite got him to leave. It looked like he tried to mend fences a little on his way out with that press release where he mentioned the Elite, but I don't think they'll ever be close again. Even Kenny kind of buried Cody when he was on Observer Radio after Cody left. There was definitely some issues there.

We dont care what type of man in CM Punk. We just love what he does in Camera. Bring Back CM Punk that will be the Right Move for AEW. Because the 3 Idiots wana be Comedian EVPs cant do anything about Ratings. Tony Should take a Leadership and Balance the Two Forces.

@TheJSexton24

Жыл бұрын

Man I can’t wait to see if 200K viewers leave again when they return

@DontAdoreYou

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@christophermarriott1681

Жыл бұрын

Shut up. AEW doesn't need CM Punk.

@jackhughes7637

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermarriott1681 AEW needs life support. Their biggest rating was episode 1.

Punk seems like he goes out if his way to be a jerk. It’s not the first time he’s had beef with multiple people. What gets me is the part of the scrum where he said if people have a problem to come see him, then he gets mad when they come to see him. I get he’s probably pissed that he was injured again. He’s probably mad that they barged in. He convinced himself that everyone is out to get him. Instead of him talking to them, he just assumed they’re the ones with the problem, not him. Well clearly that’s not the case. Either way, I stopped watching AEW when punk was on for my own reasons weeks before this incident. Now that he’s gone I watch again.

@ryanjacobson2508

Жыл бұрын

If you constantly are beefing with other people wherever you go then you are the problem.

@Matt-cr4vv

Жыл бұрын

A big factor for me is how long he let the issues fester instead of handling them. The promo he was mad about happened around 3 months prior to the scrum. If he had followed his own standard of going to the person you have a problem with and talking about it he had 3 months to talk to those guys and get it taken care of behind closed doors professionally. He didn’t do that and let it fester for months and then blasted in publicly. And evidently he didn’t even bother to figure out if they’d even done what he accused them of. Because all of the journalists have said that they never heard the stories from the Bucks like he claimed. Maybe they all covered for them but when this stuff happens in multiple places you just have to narrow it down to the common factor, which is him.

@johnnyfootlong1772

Жыл бұрын

there were literally zero negative stories about Punk until the elite started spreading rumors about him in the lockerrom, infact everything was extremely positive. How would you react if your BOSSES started false rumors about you in your work place?

@JC-ok4yx

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnyfootlong1772 Zero? He got in fights in RoH. Got into it with people in WWE. He has had "issues" with people everywhere he goes. Also, there is zero evidence it was the Bucks who were talking to Meltzer about the backstage rumors. For all we know it could have been Evil Uno, a referee, or even a tech guy in the back. The only person who has said the Bucks were causing issues is Punk, even though they've denied it, Dave has specifically said it wasn't them as well. So why do we automatically believe him? The truth is we don't know and we can't assume. Either way, he said that if they have a problem they should go to him, but based on the things we DO know, like what he said publicly at the scrum, it seems to me like he was the one with the problem.

@Marcellus-ro4ko

Жыл бұрын

But also at the same time, people can’t handle honesty and the truth. Most people in corporate jobs often put on a fake smile and kiss ass to get what they want and that’s the whole truth about. Nobody except Punk really has the balls to tell it how it is and speak up when he’s not happy with something.

I think the Liger/Graham match was Starrcade '91. That was the first wrestling event I ever watched live.

You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me Triple H to CM Punk

@Suspect333

Жыл бұрын

Triple H isn't that stupid.

@TheJSexton24

Жыл бұрын

Failure = 5 million for about 20 matches and drew the most money in company history….yea

@christophermarriott1681

Жыл бұрын

Triple H couldn't live with his own failure of getting his NXT Black and Gold brand get put out of its own misery. Sit down.

@QuackMamba34

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermarriott1681 I was sitting down when I commented this.

@Syfcobra8549

Жыл бұрын

Lmao Punk would rather die than go back to WWE Look at how he talks about Cabana and he was a former friend,WWE and Triple H "almost killed him" and they fired him the day he got married so imagine the anger he has towards them

Shocked hearing Dave and Bryan shit on Punk every day. Not even the Jaws of Life could separate their mouths from swallowing Kenny and the Young Bucks.

@earthtodarius5012

Жыл бұрын

Pot meet kettle

@jamesmiller5331

Жыл бұрын

Swallow being the operative word.

It’s nice finally having Dave on video. 👍

@Psycho5275

Жыл бұрын

I'm never going to get used to it

@dc4ever967

Жыл бұрын

Not really his face looks like a brick house

@SaiSriKannanandaBossaSwamikal

Жыл бұрын

He sure is a eye candy

@thencb41

Жыл бұрын

He finally cleared an area in house to set up the camera.

@KentaObscuro

Жыл бұрын

@@thencb41 I was about to say the rest of his house looks like an episode of Hoarders

It seems like a lot of people didn’t want anything to do with Punk. That’s very shocking to hear. It’s the equivalent of meeting your childhood hero and you wish you never met him. I will lose all respect for Punk if he goes back to WWE. Just my opinion.

@SplitGoose

Жыл бұрын

Why would you? He's likely grow up since his time there. Triple H seems more likely to play ball with Punk. I think Punk, Cody and Roman will make a huge difference in the product

@goleafsgo332000

Жыл бұрын

@@SplitGoose People talk. WWE Probably have word on what really happened in AEW. Why would they want that in their company? Too much negativity is bad for a work environment.

@SplitGoose

Жыл бұрын

@@goleafsgo332000 You're acting like you know what happened lol. You point is invalid if that's your whole argument

What an embarrassment. What a disgrace. What a waste of money, a loss of future money and great tv. A stain on AEW that will never go away.

Dave: I didn't interrupt him. Me: I don't believe you.

It’s just so sad how this situation gets escalated and feelings are sore. AEW I think will be fine but I hate how this has turned out for Punk and how he put himself in this position

@caligulalauren9071

Жыл бұрын

He put himself in this when evp’s spread rumors to dirtsheets and hangman gets personal? Was he supposed to just eat the disrespect and move on while the elite fan base shit on him for a lie?

@DWMCrasher98

Жыл бұрын

@@caligulalauren9071 Dude, we don't even know if The Elite even did it or not. It's literally he said/we said bullcrap. For all we know, Punk might've just thought it was them and they didn't even do anything

@kingslayer2999

Жыл бұрын

Fu*k The Elite nothing but immature Ego maniacs who only care about protecting there spot and Burying guys like FTR and they couldn't handle it when a Legit Draw came into the company. CM Punk took a stand to there BS and they couldn't handle a Rebel and a Outlier on there roster. I Hope CM Punk chants start up and follow the Elite when they return. Seriously all this trouble over Adam Page opening his mouth and crying over a Jobber like Colt Cabana. AEW is done the company is a Clown Show Circus and in the span of 3 years has embarrassed itself worse than TNA ever did also Omega and the Bucks shouldn't have been EVPS in the first place so something like this was always bound to happen. Screw AEW and Clueless Money Mark Tony Khan.

@DWMCrasher98

Жыл бұрын

@@kingslayer2999 you're not a clown.. You're the entire circus. Peace

@kingslayer2999

Жыл бұрын

@@DWMCrasher98 Elite MARK!!!

One thing that's been made clear to me in all this is that the wrestling world has moved past the need for CM Punk. I was happy to see him back, but after he showed himself willing to bury the first legitimate alternative to WWE in years, still in its crucial early years, to make himself look good? Instead of being the bigger person and sorting this drama out privately? Yeah, go away and take your early 2000s pop-punk angst with you.

@luislopez7716

Жыл бұрын

He doesn’t need to put up with anything he doesn’t like. And notice how all the guys who caped up for Punk have been relegated to the dark. The elite are not good for the growth of wrestling.

Punk: Hbk, we're both alike. We don't drink. We don't do drugs..... Hbk" ...we both lost our smile.😎 Punk:😕 Wow. THAT'S WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE🤯🤯🤯🤯

I used to be a huge Punk fan, but his attitude just proves to be toxic no matter where he goes. Like, even if some of this falls on the Elite, why does this stuff always gravitate to him? He is the common denominator in every problem that arises.

@m_k574

Жыл бұрын

Bro, that's the attitude we love about CM Punk, he is the voice of voiceless.

@amcdonald7479

Жыл бұрын

@@m_k574 He is made of glass and a child .

@Sickillj

Жыл бұрын

Its pretty much a given when you sign Punk, Tony must of understood what he was getting into, when he signed him. How could anyone think that getting punk onboard ,wouldnt come with some kind of drama.

@jackhughes7637

Жыл бұрын

That's what happens when you take an opinionated person with a backbone and drop him in a toxic environment where nobody wants to question why certain things are done.

@pigsoftheindustry

Жыл бұрын

he's not the common denominator, colt cabana is. Tony would rather have colt and the evp's than punk, so buyout talks...

It is all a work to set up a Kenny Omega vs. Larry the Dog feud

@BirdGang6

Жыл бұрын

Isn’t the chairs match between Nick Jackson and Ace Steel on the same card?

It's really a shame that it got to this point. Worse is they didn't try to make money from it. Shame on everyone involved. Grow up and realize adults make compromises for the benefit of the fans and the business as a whole.

@khalidhatim7035

Жыл бұрын

The guy lacks self-control, and is so unhinged and unpredictable, that he would go on a press conference to bury the company, just bc you want your little mjf vs punk match doesn't mean he should be allowed on national tv with a mic in his hand after what he did, also, the guy is injured again, and most likely won't be fit to compete until february, wtf are they supposed to do with him then?

@SeanStrife

Жыл бұрын

If the parties can't at least cooperate, the end result is gonna suck, and that's all on Punk.

@mr.whisper3338

Жыл бұрын

@@SeanStrife This is far from just Punk's fault.

I will always be a CM Punk fan, sad that this occurred. I doubt he will wrestle again. Great memories of him always.

@denisegerard2188

Жыл бұрын

get rid of cmpunk and we are no watching aew anymore.if all of us that want punk back they will loose money. WWE is getting better now

@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419

Жыл бұрын

@@denisegerard2188 gotta be honest, I agree. The bloodline storyline alone has engaged me more than post punk aew has.

@SplitGoose

Жыл бұрын

@@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419 Doesn't help that TK is a worse booker now than he was before. I believe that Cody MUST have been responsible for all the good. AEW is an overbloated WWE lite

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

@@SplitGoose TNA Lite, more like. And yeah, lots of the problems in booking seem to have begun around the time of the backstage shit... Which will continue, of course, as Sammy Guevara is one of the good ol' boys.

I refuse to believe Brandon Cutler didn't have his camera during the brawl and there is a video somewhere.

@chasekozak7206

Жыл бұрын

I’m speculating that TK had everyone delete the footage of what happened. No one has looked good in this situation. Punk came off a miserable SOB with a fractured ego while the Elite has came off for marks for themselves as EVPs and there inner circle of friends. All parties need to go.

@scottferguson3842

Жыл бұрын

You know Tony isnt going to allow The Elite to come out on live TV and bury Punk. But, I'm sure there will be plenty of jabs on BTE.

@zlanath

Жыл бұрын

@@scottferguson3842 if BTE actually comes back, it's kinda jumped the shark now....

I still don’t understand why there’s a thought of “They owe us an answer!” It’s just like any other company when questions are asked; for better or worse, no company truly deserves to answer any questions unless you’re a shareholder. If you’re “press” or a fan, no we’re truly not entitled to an answer by the company (especially when there’s the probability of legal things happening).

@MinusFiveStars_

Жыл бұрын

My thought exactly

"the fans have the right to know" basically feels like "why didnt you give me the scoop for the Observer buddy." I dont necessarily *need* to know, interested to know but not NEED. these wrestlers' lives arent pertinent info to my daily life But Dave NEEDS to know because its part of his business. I just feel Dave trying to spin it another way just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I used to want this situation to end as a work but now that its irreconcilable i can live that the fact that one party stays and one goes Anyone arguing that business should continue to insist should remember that these wrestlers have no issue with money and that these issues they hold are personal Don't force these parties to involve themselves with each other anymore because they do not choose to

Dave tell us how that story of punk getting cabana fired got in the observer??? Who told you this and why????

@DontAdoreYou

Жыл бұрын

His best friends who’s he been defending through the whole investigation

@TheJSexton24

Жыл бұрын

@@DontAdoreYou yeah I know just think it’s funny how they don’t talk about one of the main reasons all this happened

11:10 CM Punk is the Draymond Green of wrestling

Another 30 minutes of Dave rambling.

Its a work. There is no footage, no photos, no charges being pressed. TK could terminate Punk's contract, if he attacked an EVP. Its all just the hype machine, while the big star is injured!

@hezekiahramirez6965

Жыл бұрын

Yes, everything is a work. Sasha and Naomi are secretly still working with WWE, Owen Hart has been hiding in Vince’s house for two decades, Punk wasn’t injured, Shawn and Bret loved each other and Montreal was an act, Ric Flair was working with Jim Herd when he took the world title belt to the WWF, Vince and Ted Turner were always working together, Droz was never really injured, Angle never broke his neck, and Vince is actually still with WWE. The investigation was a sham. Nothing ever happens and you can’t ever believe anything no matter how much evidence there is. This is very intelligent and you’re a critical thinker

@elberno4243

Жыл бұрын

@@hezekiahramirez6965 wasn't Sasha & Naomi's return already confirmed? Owen is dead. Stop believing everything! In wrestling, there is always someone pulling the strings and this is hilarious to them... And me😂😂😂

@elberno4243

Жыл бұрын

@@hezekiahramirez6965 Montreal was a work. If I'm wrong on that, then we all need to question the morality of buying WWE produce

I’m going to miss Punk. Everything he was involved in felt epic and real. I don’t see myself watching for much longer

@Superior_uno

Жыл бұрын

Best stuff on the show. All logical. Made sense. Nothing silly

@misterbrocoli

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

At this point, MJF's departure is inevitable. He's the only top star left in that miserable company that cares about his craft. The rest have either left (Punk) or been marginalized (Wardlow, Hobbs).

Having the picture now behind the idiotic words adds so much

People are calling Hangman a lot of things for saying that "workers' rights" line. You notice what they're NOT calling him? A liar.

@StevenBeverage

Жыл бұрын

The other thing about that is only a small percentage of the audience "knew" what he was referring to. Everyone assumed it was about Colt Cabana..but it was topical at the time because of the tweet he sent out about sasha and naomi...but it didnt necessarily have to be about Colt. It was a vague line in a fiery promo leading up to a PPV title match where he was putting Punk over. The story of him being a big star and fake is the angle to get people interested in a match everyone knew the outcome..after that promo alot of people switched and really werent so sure punk would win...it added necessary intrigue... 3 months later Punk goes into business for himself 10x harder...couldve been solved so much easier and more professionally.

@coldsnap5742

Жыл бұрын

@@StevenBeverage I keep forgetting that Sasha and Naomi's situation happened around that time. But otherwise, yeah, absolutely. Judging by that 30-second vignette on the last Dynamite, the Elite were absolutely willing to turn this into a storyline--but Punk wasn't. In a way, I should thank Punk. I tend to hold grudges. He showed me what that does to a person.

@BlackWind-rx5il

Жыл бұрын

@@StevenBeverage you touched the point. The recurring theme of this whole mess, whether It's Hangman line or the allegations of the Elite spreading rumors about him, it's all about Colt Cabana. I think that's the point, I think it's still all about this obsessive grudge Punk has with Cabana, this perceived betrayal by a friend he never got over and everything that relates to It infuriates Punk in an unhealthy and maybe patological way. Think about it, both Kingston and MJF said much worse worked shoot stuff in their feuds people could believe to be true. Kingston screamed at Punk that nobody wanted him there. MJF questioned if Punk was ever capable of being a top star in the first place, saying he was always second in WWE to guys like Cena and Triple H because he wasn't as good. But they also hinted at Punk being secretly a bad guy in disguise. When I watched Hangman's promo I thought It was exactly the same kind of worked shoot stuff they were saying and part of this recurring theme of "Is Punk just pretending to be a nice guy and will he turn heel and reveal himself eventually?". Except I actually thought Hangman was the tamer of the three. Why would Punk get so angry to bring it up 3 months later and be three times as unprofessional as Hangman was, publicly ruining a character AEW invested in for three years. And why would he be so angry to do that tirade at hte scrum, which managed to be damaging to both himself, as he truly looked like a mad man, and the company, who he buried in different ways? And when you consider It all started from forcefully looking for a way to bring up Colt Cabana himself during the scrum and keep referring to him while being in complete denial about it, saying he didn't care about him and in the same breath mocking him for sharing a bank account with his mother, that's really all It comes down to. Punk is obsessed and paranoid about this situation to the point of becoming completely irrational about it.

@Syfcobra8549

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but he should have said that to Punk in private not on TV That line had nothing to do story wise and it started a sad chain of events that damaged AEW image

@BlackWind-rx5il

Жыл бұрын

@@Syfcobra8549 Yes and no. No to "it didn't have nothing to do story wise", because it sorta had, it was in line with the whole "Punk is not really a good guy" Kingston started in their feud and MJF touched upon too. Yes because it was a shoot and in my opinion shooting is never good. If you're lucky people don't get too angry, work it out and turn everything into a work and you have some compelling television, but when you're not...well...mess like this can happen. And you don't want to flip that coin. I've always thought that in this situation no one is in the right. No one. Everything was handled badly by everybody involved. I only believe that when it comes to the most damaging behavior in the situation, Punk "wins" by a couple of miles.

AEW needs these challenges to happen(along with HHH taking talents back) in order to grow

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

HHH taking the talents back will help WWE grow, certainly. AEW isn't going to get bigger, however, because the money mark would rather play with his indie friends than run a business.

@LuisReyes-pb4dt

Жыл бұрын

AEW is a high end indie promotion where the owner let's certain wrestlers dictate what goes on .

@TimMullins2

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't seem as if AEW will ever grow and that it's actually reached his peak and will come back to where they were. With Tony, and his choice to have wrestlers as evp's, the company will always be centered around a clique of indie level wrestlers. It's like a good ole boys club, aka all friends wrestling. The only thing left for AEW, now that the casual fans are leaving the product, is for them to somehow someway drive away their 750k die hard fans. That is more likely than the company "growing."

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

@@TimMullins2 Exactly. They've reached their peak. There was a shot to grow, if Tony grew a spine and sided with Punk over the Cucamonga Kliq, but it's clear that chance is gone. They're becoming even more indie and silly now that the only adult who was there to do something OTHER than bilk the money mark is gone, it's all downhill from here. The likely ends for AEW? Either someone snaps their neck doing something completely unnecessary on national TV, or Shahid pulls Tony's allowance away like Dixie's daddy did to her.

Funny thing is if they turned it into a work everything would’ve come off as just one big massive work.

@Superior_uno

Жыл бұрын

If it draws money who cares ?

@_.El._

Жыл бұрын

@@Superior_uno right but I was more on the fact that if turned into a work, ppl and everyone would’ve just thought the scrum was a work all along.

Damn Dave ramble’s and rambles about the same shit over and over 😂

Can Tony continue with The Elite as EVPs?

@subzero9113

Жыл бұрын

Thats the questi8n. Also the Elite put themselves in the position of confronting Punk. This was how it would have ended regardless. EVP speaks for itself regardless.

@Ermac_______________________69

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully not, they should hire qualified people with years of experience in those specific roles not pro wrestlers winging it.

@nefilim5800

Жыл бұрын

I guess is pretty clear that they were EVPs in name only, they all lost a lot of their creative impute way before Cody left (one the reasons he left probrably).

@kimchi2780

Жыл бұрын

@@subzero9113 Here is the thing. They are EVP's and theyn went to confront him with AEW Legal. This is exactly what they should be doing as executives.

@ryansollom2171

Жыл бұрын

I don’t see how

I hope, still, they find a way to make their money and build their brand off of punk. Ultra heel "i never dropped my title" punk vs MJF in february and then he works on roh or something away from the elite locker room

2 mins in and he still hasn't said anything how do ppl say this is the number one source

I don't know why WWE would want him. Not only are fans starting to see through him, but it seems inevitable this'd happen in WWE too.

@hezekiahramirez6965

Жыл бұрын

Because it would boost the stock price. It’s not long term but it never is. They want to sell the company so they want to pump up the stock and dump it as soon as possible

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

He's hyper talented. Yes, he has an attitude, but as guys like Hogan or Shawn prove, you can get away with a LOT if you're a generational talent.

My thing out of this was how punk was the world champion at put everyone’s livelihood at risk. As much as people want to be tribal 2 major companies is good for the business it’s good for the wrestlers. WWE can’t put EVERYONE on tv and some AEW wrestlers would never be looked at by WWE. So when punk went and did the scrum and said what he said and made the owner look pathetic. It really did make the company look really bad. Thank god for Mox and the rest for keeping it interesting. But to see this man jeopardize peoples jobs over ego and not think is a big deal is awful.

@tommurrayGTR

Жыл бұрын

No. He highlighted that there was good and bad in the company. He also highlighted that the owner was not taking charge so he was being forced to take care of things. End of the day, had Tony taken care of the mess Punk would have went home that night and no fight would have happened. Instead it festered for weeks/months until the return/PPV and afterwards Punk blew his lid. He didn't jeopardise anybody else's livelihood any more so than the Bucks/Omega/Page did his. Page went out, and in one interview turned the opinion on the top babyface over a rumour. That was apparently not on the script, THAT is messing with Punks wrestling character, that is messing with the company and that's making Tony look bad because he has Wrestlers on live TV going off script on his top star. So... if you're going down the self righteous rabbit hole, you had better look at the other guys who helped the situation get to where it got/is.

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

@@tommurrayGTR All true. Unfortunately, it's going to fall on deaf ears, especially here on The AEW Observer.

8:45 Tony did say they were suspended until further notice. Dave trying to baby face himself now because he didn't get the blood he wanted. Also, the fans were so cliquish and triggered over this whole thing and the press conference that it made it hard to make an angle out of it. All those whinging fans would have just found something to moan about. Sigh

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

Yep. The indie Marks that make up most, if not all, of AEW's fan base were mad because Punk wasn't kneeling to the gymnasts. They loved him shitting on WWE, but as soon as it turned toward AEW, that tune sure changed.

Phil Brooks just can't get out of his own way. gonna be a dark few years ahead for him

@jesuszamora6949

Жыл бұрын

I don't know how. He has the company by the balls and can either ride out his contract or take a big ass bag of money and return to acting and comic books. Hell, if rumors of HHH being interested are true, Punk can have quite the triumphant return, or he can go to NJPW and at least be surrounded by professionals instead of gossipping children.

Tony Khan needs to be the BOSS, not some money MARK.

@christophermarriott1681

Жыл бұрын

You need to shut up and be a mark.

@meavid

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermarriott1681 Better me than Tony!

Sometimes Dave does come off as a mark. Vince SAYS he does what the fans want. He’s done it. Yes. But he’s also resisted A LOT. A lot. Sometimes Vince did the right thing. Sometimes he didn’t. I don’t know how someone would deny that with a straight face

@TheSilverPhoenix100

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, and there are also times that Vince not listening to the fans was the right call as lets not kid ourselves, wrestling fans dont have a fucking clue what we actually want and we would have a revolving door of top guys with no one getting over if a company did everything we wanted

This is the antithesis of Bret/Vince: TK did everything in his power to keep Punk happy. He put the belt on him prior to him leaving, instead of screwing him out of it. If anything, Punk was Shawn Michaels and gave himself the Bret Hart ending.

21:51 Page started it ALL. Tf do you mean he didn’t say a word? Sure he didn’t after it all stems from him

I wish they , mostly Dave would let the other guy get his thought and points across and stop interrupting

Hopefully TK stops playing favorites now because that is part of what got this mess started. Then again Sammy is STILL getting screen time even though he consistently behaves like a child.

Jericho rightfully called CM Punk a cancer for the locker room.

@mintberrycrunch2530

Жыл бұрын

Jericho continues to grab as much power as possible

@earthtodarius5012

Жыл бұрын

@@mintberrycrunch2530 Lol, Jericho helped build the company. He's actually practicing what he preaches in getting the younger guys over. He's more than proven his worth to AEW. Don't let your bias amplify your ignorance.

@jackhughes7637

Жыл бұрын

@@earthtodarius5012 Build??? Their biggest rating was the first ever episode in 2019 and his segments are usually the least watched every week. The guy doesn't like the fact that he's a joke nowadays and cm punk is still taken seriously as a main eventer.

@RavenGlenn

Жыл бұрын

@@earthtodarius5012 What young guys has Jericho gotten over in AEW? He creates factions where he remains the star and has all the attention. Hell his current factioned killed the momentum of everyone in it so he could be the guy again.

@carlosr6462

Жыл бұрын

Jericho is a cancer to the content of the show.

I have an honest question. Just if this is different or if they should have taken the same approach: Back when Shawn Michaels and Bret hart had that backstage fight were they literally HATED each other - WWF back then still had them wrestle and kept Personal and Professional matters seperately. Because both guys knew the business meant more than their feelings. (I think you will never like working with everyone in your workplace, that's a fact. And some may argue that sometimes you have to do what is best for business instead of for your own ego). Should they just have let this get settled peacefully backstage, so maybe keep punk and the elite separate from each other and just go out there and perform individually? Because the reason for my comparison here is, Shawn Michaels was to his own admittion - a d**k to nearly everyone backstage back in the 90's. But he was one of their biggest draws nonetheless so they kept him around for business purposes. Wouldn't it have been a better move to keep punk around because He was one of the biggest draws in the business for AEW right now? Or are those entirely different Situations? Asking the Real experts here, i just made that comparison in my head... maybe i am totally wrong i just want to know.

This can all be laid at one man's feet, Tony Khan . If TK was more owner than wrestling fan he would have been the adult and made these guys get their acts together before it all boiled over and AEW was left with egg on it's face looking like it's amateur night !!!! It was fun having Punk back one last time , but he sure did show his true colors when his ego wasn't stroked properly!!!!! In the meantime and in between time that's it another edition of stampede wrestling!!!!

How anybody could wanna support or work with Punk is crazy, he has literally caused issues in every lockerroom hes ever been in, He Has had beef with some of the nicest wrestlers ever such as Kevin Owens, Hangman page, AJ Styles for no reason so how anybody could think hes not a problem is insane

You guys know the truth and it’s not what you are painting

It's going to be punk vs Roman or punk vs Kenny, both are the biggest matches that can be made in 2023...

@scottferguson3842

Жыл бұрын

Punk vs Kenny in a ladder match in LV in 2023... But, instead of a belt, briefcase or chip hanging over the ring it will be Larry. In a roomy, humane cage of course.

I am convinced and nobody can change my mind that what triggered Punk is the injury, knowing that he would be out for a long time once again and that probably will never sniff the title scene in the future because he is injury prone and old and everybody in the locker room hates him he probably thought that it was time to burn the bridge with AEW and start over elsewhere by unleashing on every single top asset of the company. Remember that he not only shoot on the elite, but also on MJF and Kingston saying that Tony Khan forced him to work to every single jerk there was out there that had it out for him. CM Punk knew that he was done in AEW and used the scrum to bury the EVPS and emasculate the owner on his way out

@scottferguson3842

Жыл бұрын

Agreed that he was frustrated from the injury at the scrum. I guess time will tell in regards to what The Elite did or didn't do to Punk during his time there.

there are always exceptions to the rule Macho man lex luger , buff bagwell lol some people were never brought back

They dont HAVE to tell us anything. We arent entitled to know. If they want to tell us then fine.

dave looks a lot like lou ferrigno

I just like picturing punk reading all the comments and watching dynamite every week going. “Jericho couldn’t draw a dime, MJF peaked, FTR only got over cause I wrestled dax, if they let me back I’m gonna fight hangman first day,”

D-Melt my man!

So Meltzer admitted he has contact with Adam Page

CM Punks charde has finally fade away. Ppl see through his bs

@nickhughes8179

Жыл бұрын

Everybody also now sees the Elite for the political phonies they are too. Cosplay Vanilla Midget Kliq complete with whining to the boss about your coworkers and only working with your friends. Just like the Cucamonga kids’ idol HBK.

Punk screwed Punk. He couldn't be the bigger man and let his issues with Hangman and the Elite take a backseat to his role in AEW. Instead he generated the single biggest PR disaster in AEW's history and torched his own career in the process. Even you thought Hangman and the Elite could have handled things better CM Punk was clearly the one who escalated the situation to this point. He was completely unprofessional and if I were Tony I wouldn't bring him back either.

CMP = CTE

Wow over half hour of absolutely saying nothing. Ha.

To let you know how casual wrestling is to not marks I told my friend CM Punk is probably out of the company He responded with: "Why?"

@BlackWind-rx5il

Жыл бұрын

The wrestling internet community doesn't ever stop to consider certain things. Like for example....think about the most viewed, most famous channels that talk about wrestling....how many views do they get on their videos? For a few thousand to a hundred thousand mostly. How many people watch Dynamite? Almost a million. How many people watch RAW and SmackDown? From a 1.6 to 2.2 millions most times. The overlapping is not that huge. But it's not like everybody that is on the internet are marks and those who are not who watch the shows are casuals who don't know how wrestling works. There a LOT of people that know exactly how wrestling works and have opinions and stuff but don't go on the internet to speak about It. Because they don't want to, they don't feel like they need to, or quite simply, they don't have time to, because maybe they're older, they have work and families. The vocal fans on the internet are a fraction of the general wrestling fandom. Dividing it into just casuals and marks is just simplistic and not realistic.

macho man and hulk. Savage hated hulks guts and they still worked together

“Ya know…ya know…”

What type of investigation does not interview every single witness and participant? What kind of legal professional does not do everything they can to prevent the confrontation to protect the company?

Overall bummer. But, now they can use the money they were paying Punk to sign United Empire.

Punk has always been a pouty crybaby and this was bound to happen, but now where does AEW find itself? With a clique full of idiot clowns who are going to prevent AEW from ever getting beyond the point where it is, now. In the end, this was really all Tony's fault.

@christophermarriott1681

Жыл бұрын

Dumbest shit I've heard today. AEW doesn't need CM Punk. Get off the drugs.

@buddabudda

Жыл бұрын

@@christophermarriott1681 Not what I said, little buddy. Learn to read words

lots of Punk merch on sale soon ..........

One aspect of this that is never mentioned is Punk's likely frustration with how the Bucks did not do what was best for business and drop the titles to FTR at All Out. You would have had a real co-main event, the biggest tag match in AEW history and all of wrestling in many years for all the titles. They could have built that all summer instead of just having the rush build for the main event. Instead the Bucks dropped the belts without even getting pinned and then tanked Punk's ratings each week with their six man main events with Kenny. Meanwhile, FTR had nothing to do again on an AEW ppv when they were white hot all summer. That is part of the reason Punk said while he is trying to sell ppv's, the Elite EVP's couldn't manage a Target.

Not sure how this drug on so long, 5 weeks? Not a murder investigation. Should have probably been handled within a week.

@ingloriousmax

Жыл бұрын

Think it was like 8, next ppv is already in 3 weeks. I agree waaaaaay too long.

@pooldead7712

Жыл бұрын

Legal issues that's why

@chriskay1449

Жыл бұрын

Legal issues. Those always take a lot of time when you have lawyers on both sides + AEW's legal department.

@khalidhatim7035

Жыл бұрын

Leave it up to gene on his couch to tell you how long an investigation should have lasted, some of you are really dumb

@RavenGlenn

Жыл бұрын

"Legal issues" isnt a valid excuse. If I walked into someone's office at work and they got up and assaulted me while I had the head of legal standing next to me? I would not be suspended for getting assaulted.

CM puke ruined his career for no reason.

I know backstage details on events are popular and interesting but grown men being upset because they couldn’t get the scoop on some gossip on an altercation is nasty.

At the end of the day its a lose- lose situation: -We as fans are back to square one as Punk is out of the wrestling business and we are uncertain if he will ever return. -Aew loses its biggest star which is obviously bad for business. -The elite don't look good with rumours of them pushing Cody away behind his back and now the whole Punk situation. The focus all this time should have been growing the AEW brand, but all this drama has stunted its growth. So everyone is worse off, except for maybe WWE.

Jim cornette was right about you

No one wins in this. Not the Elite, not Punk, not AEW. and especially not the fans. This is terrible for everyone.

CM Punk screwed CM Punk.

@nickhughes8179

Жыл бұрын

Tony Khan screwed Tony Khan Coming soon Dave Meltzer screwed Dave Meltzer

its sad how pathetic this has all gotten this will go down as one of the biggest black eyes in aew history and the fact that they couldnt get past their egos and make money NONE of these involved can EVER say they love this business and want to make money in this business and ANYONE says they don't want to work with CM Punk are saying hey i don't like making money i only care about myself screw the business

@Em3ga

Жыл бұрын

But Punk hurt their feefees. He was just suppose to let them losers talk shit about him. "Elites" got alligator mouths with humingbird asses, writing checks that they ass can't cash.

@TheFrontzClub

Жыл бұрын

@@Em3ga we don't know what is true or not when it comes to people talking about CM Punk everything imo started happening after ACE Steel joined AEW earlier this year i think ace got into punks ear someone "leaked" rumors of the bucks and hangman going to the dirt sheets to blame punk for cabana's situation even tho tk was letting him go no matter what and it all snowballed and then punk vented and he's suppose to be the bad guy

Oh..so it's a work..

The really sad thing is this make AEW look SO MINOR LEAGUE COMPARED TO WWE.................