Evga got out, Acer jumped in.... Okay then.

@ab_xar

2 ай бұрын

acer is selling them for a year now

@Zaaf2003

2 ай бұрын

Evga has been out for a year​@@ab_xar

@LitteralBeans

2 ай бұрын

Too soon bro

@TheAtomoh

2 ай бұрын

Now Sapphire is the best. Nvidia only has MSI and Asus, which make good gpus only for Nvidia. Their AMD gpus suck.

@Zaaf2003

2 ай бұрын

It was right when EVGA went out that ACER ran in

Shroud image popping up everytime Dawid says "shroud" is essential in every Dawid's video

@riven4121

2 ай бұрын

Three things that are a certainty with Dawid's videos 1. Shroud 2. Thiddy 3. Everything possible going wrong.

@OfSheikah

2 ай бұрын

@@riven4121 hey glad that Elma isn't the regulars!

@philtkaswahl2124

2 ай бұрын

Imagine Dawid talking about the Shroud of Turin.

@smet145

2 ай бұрын

Was looking for this comment 😂

I´ve owned a "gaming" laptop from Acer years ago. That thing ran so hot it melted its own fan. Never again.

@Sunlight91

2 ай бұрын

My Acer Gaming Laptop from 2010 burned through it's internal power cable.

@Vinterloft

2 ай бұрын

All "gaming" laptops are trash in some way. MSI and Gigabyte have the biscuit hinges which WILL break and/or chew through the internal cable, and Assus puts copious amounts of bloatware on theirs and are overpriced as hell. The only exception is Eurocom, their laptops use actual desktop CPUs and have more NVME and RAM slots.

@deher9110

2 ай бұрын

Acer has been shit until like last year with their nitros

@deher9110

2 ай бұрын

​@@Vinterloftfind fault in the legion 5 pro/7 series

@AnnaDoes

2 ай бұрын

That’s the Alma haunting

It makes sense if you look at the pcb and heatsink layout. Blower is throwing air over the pcb heatsink parallel to the fins and out the back keeping stagnant turbulent air off critical components. Then the blow through is putting as much cfm as possible through the open heatsink and is not sppashing back onto the pcb. Makes sense to me. Same concept as arctics freezer ii and iii aios.

@DawidDoesTechStuff

2 ай бұрын

Your explanation of the thought process behind it makes a lot of sense and it did seem to work fine. Thanks the comment. 👍

They had a A750 and I think A770 before this.

@shaneeslick

2 ай бұрын

Yeah they were one of the first with intel ARCPartner Models using this BiFrost Cooler

@strider_hiryu850

2 ай бұрын

i'm sure some of their prebuilts came with homemade graphics cards. maybe not. never bought an Acer prebuilt. but, it wouldn't shock me if they have.

@orca984

2 ай бұрын

The A770 is actually amazing

@Vinterloft

2 ай бұрын

And before that they were already making their own GPUs for prebuilts. I bought a second hand Acer 3060 Ti during covid

@mincraftgimer

2 ай бұрын

@@VinterloftOh cool! I didn't know that.

Acer does make some decent monitors. I've had one of their 4k 120hz monitors for 4 years now.

@dionykn1832

2 ай бұрын

I'm rocking an acer nitro 32" QHD 165Hz ips monitor which I got for €275 couple of years ago. Great buy so far

@hcsheat111

2 ай бұрын

i have a ed270r best monitor i ever owned

@Waldherz

2 ай бұрын

And good chromebooks.

@jijopov

2 ай бұрын

so you say they are only "decent" not GOOD, but "decent" at making monitors and thats it? you really are crazy

@yeti4269

2 ай бұрын

@@jijopov yeah they’re just decent lmao have you not looked at what LG, ASUS, and Zowie are offering nowadays? Those are good monitors

So glad I found this channel. Quickly becoming one of my fav tech tubers. Also the shroud gag cracked me up lol

Should have reviewed the Acer Bifrost A770. It’s a fantastic card for $250. I’ve been using it for months.

@Couchtripper

2 ай бұрын

does that have the same fan situation?

@Looser_23

2 ай бұрын

@@Couchtripper yes. But with RGB

@EDGE234

2 ай бұрын

Intel cards are not very good.

@GizmoTheGreen

2 ай бұрын

I ahev one, love it. it cost me double that here though... lol

@cessnacitation-x

2 ай бұрын

@@EDGE234 That's just not even true, have you even owned an Intel card before?

Your videos are a vibe dude it's really fun to hear and watch you

Hey Dawid, I just realised since its 2024 now and the market is kinda nice, why dont you try a 2024 version of "CUSTOM VS PRE BUILT pc 2024 edition " video it'd be fun to watch

@Boogie_the_cat

2 ай бұрын

I just realized I have 2 ears.

@GaganDeep32469

2 ай бұрын

that's great@@Boogie_the_cat

@sirkyoj1

2 ай бұрын

My cats breath smells like cat food.

@AnnaDoes

2 ай бұрын

@@sirkyoj1haha same. Especially right after he’s eaten 😂

You gotta update that into man, your filming skills, lighting and overall quality is crazy good and it doesn’t do it justice anymore!

I would have preferred seeing Dawid portrayed as "Arnold Schwarzenegger covered in mud in a jungle" instead of him throwing an acer straight into a river. Could photoshop his face over Arnold from a scene in the movie maybe

Man the "Shroud" pop ups are Amazing ❤❤

I wonder how many are going to get the joke about Arnold in the mud ... took me straight back into my child years thanks for making me feel old in a video about a GPU Dawid ! Verry Nice

11:03 yeah Acer Predator RX 7600 is $300 USD on amazon, with many other cards with the same GPU for $40 less. I'm considering getting a 7800 XT some time soonish.

nah it does totally have the potential to have the benefits of both. the fan is there for actual cooling, and the blower is just a built-in exhaust for the whole system so it doesn't get too heat-soaked. the fan being there for cooling allows the blower to run at a slow enough rpm that it isn't noisy. in theory anyway.

I have just purchased an Arc A770 version of this, only tested on one game - world of tanks - temps went up to a max of 77 c after about 1 hour of use, mine is a very good airflow case. Ive recently set the fan curve to not run till 55 c and it seems quite happy with that when not under load. Case in question is a Thermaltake level 10

I appreciate the noise that sounded like Star Trek Bridge sounds with the space scenes... its the little things in Dawid videos that make them truly epic.

I feel like trying to revolutionize a cooler design after this many years is a fool's errand. It's not like the laws of air mechanics and thermodynamics have changed. The best you're going to get is something comparable to what already existed, which is what we're seeing here.

@Boogie_the_cat

2 ай бұрын

The laws of air have changed to restrict drones in certain zones. I'm sure the fan community has something to say about this, and apparently it is saying "blower" I'm not sure how to parse this. I'm going to take mushrooms and talk to the fans in my area to see their opinions.

@TonicofSonic

2 ай бұрын

Marketing ploy like pretty much everything else Acer does.

@AnnaDoes

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s all just marketing

@mintymus

2 ай бұрын

Yeah let's just stop all R&D, everything good has already been done already.

@Memorygant_

2 ай бұрын

@@mintymus What an overreaction. Because one aspect of one product in one market has been mostly solved, you take that to mean we should stop all R&D? Chill out

I had an ASUS Dual 7600 that was an absolute overclocked and undervolted champion. Never had any crashes outside of getting the tune right

That heatsink coverage is nice, it would still perform better in a dual fan setup though

I've been using the XFX RX 7600 actively, and I haven't encountered any crashes. In fact, I've even undervolted it to squeeze out more performance without any stability issues.

"Babe dont wake up , acer make gpu now"

I have had acer monitors and laptops, including my current ryzen 5800h with 3060. I have always had good experiences with acer.

@RaffyART1995

2 ай бұрын

My cousin has been using one for 7 years now and it's his main driver for his house building business.

I got an Acer Predator in 2017, still using it in 2024 as a work from home PC.

got one of the a750s with this design lately and honestly... the build quality punches way above its price point ($180 at the time i purchased) so good job acer. feels premium and looks slick

I have the 6700XT Red Devil edition and it's a Beast in 1440p Gaming and draw just 140-160w during Gaming and Damn Silent as well :)

Love how Dawid is still referencing a game that will turn 20yo next year. Freaking Alma, man 😂

@MotoCat91

2 ай бұрын

First horror game I ever played, so good for it's time

@alexrose1ukv2

2 ай бұрын

Stop talking about Alma Dawid has almost got me replaying fear so many times now it's not funny lol

@hrayz

2 ай бұрын

Alma. Alma. Alma!! (Summoning with the power of three)

Tge mouse clicking is a really good way to put noise into perspective, really helpful!

ACER's Predator cards get hot. I had one of their 16GB Arc A770 cards, and this card got up to 90*C in a high airflow case running Unigine Heaven benchmark on its first pass!! I returned it and bought the ASRock Phantom Gaming version, which ran Heaven without a hitch, never going above 74*C.

We need more LINOOOOOOODE

@mobarakjama5570

2 ай бұрын

And that weird Glove company, I forgot the name, it starts with V I think 😂😂😂😂

how the hell do u lose a computer tower ..?

@Sau1-g00dman

Ай бұрын

Sir a second graphics card has hit the tower

@sentientcardboarddumpster7900

Ай бұрын

I really don't wanna talk about it ok

I wonder if the crashing is from the acer card specifically or just in general RX 7600 cards. You could’ve put an msi card in there too maybe. RX 7600. To see if it crashes or not

@vuri3798

2 ай бұрын

Most likely RDNA3's fault. A friend had that issue during the few months it took AMD to find a fix with his 7800XT, he'd always crash once or twice a day no matter what but Cyberpunk was one of the games that would keep crashing like that.

@Ben-Rogue

2 ай бұрын

@@vuri3798 The 7600 has been out long enough that any early driver issues should be well and truly fixed... The PCB seems fairly spartan compared to even the AMD reference board. I wouldn't be surprised if Acer's corner cutting is causing stability issues

@vuri3798

2 ай бұрын

@@Ben-Rogue Yeah tbh I would have liked to see him dive into that a little more. I don't remember Acer's Arc cards doing worse in that way, and AMD already supposedly fixed (twice) the consumption issue that would cause these crashes on RDNA3, I also don't think Dawid saves videos for months. But I've recently seen users who bought OC models and Adrenalin automatically fucked up AIBs settings wen booting up. That's why I said most likely not surely, but I would have liked to know more...

@lewzealand4717

2 ай бұрын

@@vuri3798Yeah is that why all the day one and subsequent reviews of the 7600 never mentioned any crashes? You've now seen two, TWO! cards with problems, clearly all GPUs are trash.

@Treysz

2 ай бұрын

Whenever I upgrade my GPU my PC crashes or black screens like Dawid's. In fact I'm dealing with it right now, it happened on multiple mobos (asrock/asus) and with 6600 XT, 1070 and now my 4060 TI. It eventually fixed itself but I had to reinstall windows, use DDU in safe mode but I still am getting crashes about 1-2x a day. I use OCCT to stress max power on CPU/GPU and it is fine so IDK what's happening

great design... hope the trend catches on, i like the idea

I loved the fan design and was thinking of getting one if there's a price drop in a few years but im now reconsidering.

Acer: Get the best from both design (I am always genius) Dawid: Looks more like going to get the downsides of both design (because I know Acer too well) Me: (pressed like 👍)

The prebuilt running at completely respectable temps is my biggest takeaway. You should do a series on just how much a single 80/120mm case fan can handle.

@darthpotwet2668

2 ай бұрын

A lot, I'm getting sub 60 with a 3070ti

@markjacobs1086

2 ай бұрын

It's not really about the temps that make negative pressure questionable. It gets a lot of dust sucked into the case & the dust filters, eventually seriously clogging up the limited airflow there already was. Positive pressure fares so much better in that aspect.

@musashigundoh

2 ай бұрын

That heavily depends on how far you're willing to stretch the definition of a 80/120mm case fan - since technically, those over-9000 RPM Deltas they use in servers and mining ASICs count as case fans too.

"Arnold SWAT and egger". The close captioning trying to understand dawids accent leads to some hilarious results.

Ejecting high heat right out of the case might make sense also assuming that airflow is limited. If some of the components produce less heat cooling the hot parts with hotter air and cooler parts with cooler air could net a benefit to going to a full internal circulation build. Also theres only 2 fans. End of the day you have to test both configurations in representative cases with all their other fans.

so do we now call this the new acer I suck, blown, and spit edition?

@gianlucamorelli

2 ай бұрын

It blows and sucks at the same time too lol

@michaelreyes1358

2 ай бұрын

@@gianlucamorellieyy wtf

Such a weird design haha. I thought it was a low profile card from the thumbnail but nope. Good one D!!

@cppctek

2 ай бұрын

TIMMY JOEEEEEE!!!! The man the myth and the legend! I hope you are doing well my brudduh!!! Did you ever see the video that I made about you a few months ago? I really really hope you are doing well!

Dawid! They also have Acer Predator BiFrost A750 8GB. It cost 240 USD on AMZN. There is also A770 16GB variant but it costs much more, about 360 USD.

thank you for making such great entertaining content 🙂

Everyone in our family owns an acer laptop, ultra book, normal ones or gaming. The only place that smells of plastic more than my house is in a kardashian

@Cyba_IT

2 ай бұрын

As a computer technician that opens a lot of laptops I don't recommend Acer to clients. They seem to use cheaper plastics and skimp on small things like minimal damping protection for the hard drive/SSD and the least amount of screws to hold it together. Acer do make some good high-end and gaming laptops and some good monitors but their mid to low end laptops are rubbish imo. Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo, MSI and MS Surface are much better although HP, Asus and Lenovo mid to low can be hit or miss. Dell seems to be good throughout and Surface only really start in the mid range and are good also. MSI make great gaming laptops as you probably know. I mean no offence, I just recommend a better brand that's all.

Acer Makes Graphics Cards Now. And It's Weird... uploaded 18 seconds ago... Hell yeah.

@darthpotwet2668

2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah

@steelfox1448

2 ай бұрын

Hell yeah

I have the a770 Preditor in a mini itx case and can definitely say it runs quiet when pushing 3440x1440 at max settings in various games with a 5700g... reaches 80c at max

As far as the crashing goes did you have the AMD Adrenalin software installed or did you do the GPU drivers manually? I have a 7900xt and noticed that with the Adrenalin software I had random crashes in games but when I did a DDU and just manually installed the drivers without their software it resolved my crashing issues.

😮ACER NITRO SUCK FACE EDITION. 😂😂😂😂

Acer most definitely produces some very high end, high quality laptops (not only gaming ones) besides the cheap budget ones and some good monitors too, and saying 'they are not terrible' is simply highly ignorant.

Blower fans are still awesome at keeping the GPU thinner and it blows the hot air out right away. With that secondary fan the blower doesn't have to run as fast therefore reducing the noise so this is a clever design though there is still room for improvement.

I think HIS has had the solution to the problem of noise with blower coolers with the IceQ for years, it has a dual-intake design which both drastically improves cooling compared to stock blower coolers and even at 100% speed the noise isn't terrible. I got an IceQ HD7870 and loved it.

It's kinda smart regular fan does most the cooling and the blower blows it out back of case doing some extra cooling

The cooling should be more than fine. The blower will keep the ram and gpu cool while exhausting the heat out of the ATX case. The standard fan/heatpipe/fin combo will handle the vrm/power handling components. This will cut down on a large chunk of the heat building up inside a ATX case. The key thing that will be needed though is for the case itself to have a proper fan intake to get enough cool air in the case for the card to utilize, while also having decent exhaust to dump whatever minimal heat does build up.

Before you put the card back together did you remove ,clean then replace the old thermal pads and thermal paste?

Do you test before you open up the GPU or do you test and then you open it up?

@Cyber_Gas

2 ай бұрын

usualy he tests before he opens it up than he opens it up but he puts the openning before the testing and calls it travelling in time sometimes

0:06 what a great picture of you!

this is b4 taking it apart ,i get it and think wot a great idea !!!! u got a cooler with an extra exhaust fan and i really like it

I have an acer CB5-571 Chromebook from 2016, I still use it everyday to monitor Octoprint Jobs and stuff. The battery is still holding up. Installed a 128gb ssd years ago and have gotten more than my moms moneys worth out of it.

Cool GPU design!

The thing with this bifrost cooler design is (and Dawid does talk about this), aren't most blowers enclosed on 4 sides to form a little tunnel to shoot the hot air out? Does it still work if you make little cutouts all over the place to increase the airflow of the axial cooler?

Using adaptive sync on my 7900XT used to cause crashes in some games before I reinstalled my drivers after using the AMD cleanup utility. Might have been what was causing problems here too.

Watching this on Acer XF240H. Pretty satisfied with it over the years.

The bigger fan is pulling air in from the case and then the second one (squirrel cage style) is ejecting it from the case out the port. It's a pretty smart design actually.

If that blower fan is sealed off even somewhat from the axial, I could see that working really well

@sttrsp9700

2 ай бұрын

I feel a case with bottom intake would be great for this card like a lian li o11

Used to be an Acer hater cuz it seemed like 'the laptop your parents bought in 2011 to edit a family photo album' But got an acer predator helios something in 2021 and man, ive had like 6 gaming laptops over 10 years and this one has been THE best. Been using and abusing it for 2 years now and the fans are still like new and it runs the same? Never had a gaming laptop fan last more than a year before it sounded like gravel so i gotta say i was really impressed

I've had the Acer iPredator A770 for a couple of years and I love it.

@Cyber_Gas

2 ай бұрын

Intel arc ? Huh they are here for year max

@letitiabeausoleil4025

2 ай бұрын

@@Cyber_Gas I was roundin up. You are roundin down. It was launched Q3'22.

Interesting concept, I know blower designs are noisier, but the idea if dumping some of the heat out in a distinct direction makes some sense to me.

Think I got the idea behind this cooler design. With the blower the heat gets ejected through the IO plate outside the case, which makes the coaxial fan more effective in blowing through the finstack. it therefore does not rely that much on open spaces in the shroud. An aircooled CPU should also benefit from this cooler design as the air the gets blown through the graphics cards is cooler.

Seeing as you're in Canada maybe you can help what would a budget option be for a 16 gig graphics card? A couple of the llm programs I want to play with require a 16 gig to run them locally and therefore it doesn't need to necessarily be a 16 gig for gaming I was wondering if you had any suggestions. I don't think there's anything out there as a used option for something that size. Pretty sure anything 16 gig would be new there wouldn't be anything used. Trying to imagine how you manage to misplace a desktop computer given their size LOL

You do test the video card BEFORE opening it right ? It kinda hurts that the factory thermal solution is tampered with before testing. Great vid btw !!

@CheradenZakalwe

2 ай бұрын

He does, this was quite clearly stated in the vid.

I'd love to see a card with a DC Cross Flow Fan at the back-end that blows the full length of the card out the back of the PC. I'm not sure how useful it'd be, but you could have wider fins, stack cards, and it wouldn't recirculate the air. (and though more expensive than the usual fans, it should still be way cheaper to cool a 7600 than what this card costs - but I highly doubt one could cool a 4090) LTT recently did a video about a case with a cross flow fan.

All the Acer GPUs of this style were on sale during Black Friday 2023. I believe 240 USD or less. I was considering them, but my pc case is the NZXT H1. I figured the hot air would get trapped in the bottom or go back up into the case. I settled for the Asus RX 7600 instead. It hasn't given me any problems at 1080p.

Since the 7600 appears basically to be a reference card style build, the only trick is the cooler. I think you are correct, the "best of both worlds" solution here is for ACER's own use. When they make prebuilts with horrible airflow, the blower part of the card will do a lot to mitigate the airflow problems, and the more normal fan will "help". Considering the amount of heat pipe, fins, and copper, it seems like even if the blow through fan wasn't working at all that there would still be significant cooling going on. So I think they have built a very good card for their own business. It is way too expensive for what it is, though!

I got the Acer Predator BiFrost A770 OC and I quite like it so far. Glad to see Acer keep using the hybrid fan cooler design. Hope to see them doing cards for Intels next gen of GPU.

I have an old acer prebuild with an i5 8400 and a 1060, it's honestly still perfect for all I need

Have you removed cooler before running benchmarks or after? If before i have a question why?

Have it. Love the design. It's in a Tower 100 and never goes above 65 degrees. Have been using it for a few months now. Absolutely love it. Got mine for about $230 US. Also up to now I've had 1 maybe 2 crashes.

Hey Dawid, what are you system specs? PCIE 4.0? Rebar?

Wouldn't Ryzen be a better fit for removing the crashing results?

For some reason I always had strange problems with Acer laptops/PC's and other stuff. Never really broken but always unstable/crashing or getting way to hot. Both my Acer laptops died right after the warranty expired....

Interesting concept for GPU cooling. I'm not surprised it didn't work out too well with the stability, I wouldn't be shocked if temps rose too high on some part fo the card your overlay wasn't watching. Probably a good idea to prototype a card like that to see how well it works, but it doesn't look like it was a good idea for a public release.

Have had the bifrost A770 for quite a while now. It’s good, but good luck getting any software updates from Acer.

The best of both worlds song got me 😂😂

Did you try the amd card without afterburner? Might be the reason for the crashes

It can be crushing because of MSI afterburner. Northwest repair said that afterburner can crash new amd gpus and tested it on some. But last updates fixes some.

Does the blower fan primarily cool the core and the other just there to help it not be as loud as it could be

Thank you for doing 'Tech Stuff'

perhaps what has happened is that the ram got overheated due to you ripping apart the thermal pad in 3:30. have you at least add the thermal paste to close the gap?

Was that Canadian dollars? I ask since the 7600 is like $260-280 where I live. Now I haven't seen the Acer model in stores yet, but other 7600 models are less than $300.

Acer used this same hybrid cooler design on the Intel ARC A770 card.

I was a bit confused at 5:50 when I heard "Elma" but I think he meant "Alma Wade" From the Video Game Series F.E.A.R(good game series btw)

To be honest, I use two Acer monitors. They were cheap to buy (about 120 € each), they are nothing fancy (60Hz), but they do the job fine many hours/day for the last 5 years and still not show any sign of fatigue.

Dawid what program do you use to testbench the gpu in game

My Sapphire RX 580 had fins going longways, it dumped a lot of hot air out the back. The half blower half not is also Nvidia's founder edition's cooling. Sapphire also did the blow thro section on the Vega Cards, looks like an idea that is cool now.

@calebmenker988

2 ай бұрын

Zotac did this too on their 30 series cards

@DigitalJedi

2 ай бұрын

I wish the lengthwise fins thing was more common. You can effectively have the strengths of a blower card to a slightly reduced extent with the benefits of larger axial fans replacing the single radial fan. I could even see the same single-fan setup with one axial fan at the end of the card still working somewhat if the shroud was sealed off from the rest of the inside of the case like a typical blower.

I love how he recognizes immediately that parts or systems are haunted

From the wording in the video it sounded like you did the tear down before the benchmarks? I would have preffered you do the benchmarks before, so we get an idea of stock performance. Like Acer might have used lower quality thermal paste, and so you gave the Acer card an "upgrade" when re-pasting it. Also, the 7600 isn't _supposed_ to crash a lot, so your card constantly crashing made me wonder if you re-assembled the card correctly, or even damaged it. Either way, a missed opportunity to see if the card performed better after a re-paste.

I recall having an Aopen Riva TNT 2 many (many) years ago and only recently found out they are a subsidiary of Acer

Stupid question - did you do a fresh install of Windows? Old driver conflicts can cause crashes. Also, did you try AMD's base drivers from their website?

@enigmalex3649

2 ай бұрын

AMD has clenaup software to remove old drivers.

The overall look of the GPU has a similar build look to my Arc a770 bifrost edition, but my GPU doesn't crash, it just doesn't play Nvidia RTX games for some reason

Testing was done before disassemble?