Checker-plate doors give Jupiter character

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I think so

@sodorflubbs5000

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. It’s what makes her her!

@isaacmacdonald6530

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe.

Thank you for keeping this piece of history alive and for loving and caring for her!!!!!

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. She's a good old thing

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@shafique8454 eh?

That two tone made me very happy.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I like how it echos!

@isaacmacdonald6530

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Jupiter from Fireman Sam Series 5.

@BlackieFoxxless

5 ай бұрын

​@@isaacmacdonald6530no

Thanks for the walk through. I've never really been a fan of anything fire service related, more a steam buff. After discovering your channel, it led me down a spiral. I'd go to classic car shows and get so fascinated by the old Dennis appliances , and over the past couple of months been watching the entirety of London's Burning, just understanding how the machines work & the show covering the social life of a fire station. I'm currently torn between wanting to be a firefighter, or owning a fire engine for the fun of it. There's just nothing like those two tones!

WHAT A MARVELLOUS MACHINE 🚒🚒🚒🚒

I love that piece 'Jupiter Rising'! Alex is so talented! But Jupiter herself is a thing of great beauty, so adorable! :-)

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

He's a very clever chat - it's a wonderful theme

@chrisskelhorn5727

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm Yes, it's on heavy rotation on my mp3 player, and Mark's played it a few times on his radio station.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisskelhorn5727 oh that's great to hear! I have the LMM drives theme as my ring tone

I see...an excellent steam locomotive support vehicle there!

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

It has been to a few railways and helped out!

@alexanderbeck5063

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm that's fantastic to hear! maybe next time we can see the mighty Jupe in action. Greetings from an American flatbed lorry driver

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderbeck5063 I certainly hope so! Some of the rigs you have in the states are awesome!

@alexanderbeck5063

3 жыл бұрын

Why thanks! I'm actually in the market for an old Mack R Model for my own project truck

@adamcrane3571

2 жыл бұрын

Hello @@lmm

Hi Lawrie, I believe you mentioned the high/low pressure selector? This is used depending on whether you are using the hose reels or the main jet. The hose reels can be used at both high and low pressure (usually high) the main jets should only ever used at low pressure. Hope this helps 👍

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh thanks for the info!

Woooooo... Haverhill. Awesome to hear that this would have been romping around my childhood town.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

It was there for ages

Love Jupiter!! Lovely appliance, my memories of these are from London Burning, all the appliances down here were Mercedes.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I've very fond of it to!

@isaacmacdonald6530

3 жыл бұрын

My memories are those from Fireman Sam since 1987 to 2005 to 2008 to the present day.

That Wight bord is called a BA bord For tracking the amount of o2 the Fireman have left

@nicolajaynehodson9223

3 жыл бұрын

yes and no it is BA control board however BA uses compressed air

Jupiter really is a nice truck and great to see that kinda stuff restored. Have you ever considered going to a show/festival or event close or even off one of the departments where it was stationed and meeting some of the guys who used it in service? That usually results in great stories. I'd really hope my fire department keeps the old Mercedes long enough so i can buy it from them. it's a nearly 40 year old engine and just magnificent too. You're definitely not the only one crazy enough to buy an old fire engine. If I could i would invite you to review it whilst it is still in service, but sadly i can't do that. Just recently been "restored" (mainly derusted, altough there really wasn't much). And most likely a completely different driving experience. Like Jupiter it''s a 12t truck, but a heavier chassis and offroad configuration. I can just about lay my chin on the fenders. Hpwever, Jupiter even carries a tad more water. Space wonder you got there Lawrie! Ahh I really want you to drive it and experience it for yourself. Such a joy. If I ever get to buy it, your definitely invited! I could talk about it for hours!

An epic milestone vid there Lawrie, most informative and enjoyable. Jupiter is more unique the way it is rather than a pristine one, it's called patina👍🙂.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you enjoyed it!

The board that you said was to see where everything is on the truck, it is an accountability board used at scenes to tell you where everyone is. (it could be different but that's how i see it as from the us lol) Also, when you said there is no reason for a 40 year old fire engine still kicking around was funny to me because a few years ago I saw just about a 100 year old fire engine that can still be driven.

@chrispullar5112

3 жыл бұрын

It is an entry control board. They are used to place the breathing apparatus tallies in to and to record who is in the risk in ba and when their air is due to expire.

I'm sure I'd seen her before, now I know, I'm close to Stalham. Also one of her last big jobs for Norfolk would have most likely been the Roy's fire in may 95.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh really? I'd love to see some pictures of it on a shout

@natashawaller2575

2 жыл бұрын

Lory should green the back loker

@adamcrane3571

2 жыл бұрын

Hello @@lmm What are you doing on Sunday the 1st of May

Why not have the LMM logo on the helmets or a variation of the logo? Think it would look good haha look good without it aswell. Nice video and didnt realise there weren't many at all so defo a good job you are the guardian of one example.

I think both our trucks should meet at some point, really glad to see shes in good health

Love the sit down calm long video. Been a subscriber since the start. Keep up the good content.

Not sure if you’re aware of this one Lawrie, but on the Norfolk Fire Museum page on Facebook there is a black and white picture of Jupiter and 494 at Great Yarmouth station in June 1982 :-)

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't! I'll have to have a look

Love this machine

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Has the same steering wheel as an MCW Metrobus and a Bristol VR.

- low and high pressure, low pressure is for just using ‘large’ hose out the back of the pump deliveries, high pressure engages the 2nd impeller in the pump for the hose reels to work properly (some hose reels won’t work if high pressure isn’t engaged or you’ll just get a dribble of water). When you do get it pumping if you’re only using the main deliveries (large hose) then keep it in low pressure otherwise you’ll be over working the pump. Also stick a cooling loop in if you haven’t got a water supply going into the pump

"dennis is a reassuring name. a dennis will remember to bring back your lawnmower"

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

It is a good name!

As much as I come here for trains, Jupes has grown on me. and besides, if she weren't here, then the channel wouldn't be. Gotta love her for that if nothing else!

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

She's got a special place in my heart ♥

1995 was the year I passed my driving test! True story a friend was a fire engine driver part of Framingham fire unit. He managed going out on a call to break the gear box another engine picked up the other men and a recovery vehicle took it to Ipswich for repair. even now he is still teased about it!!

@lmm

Жыл бұрын

Oh really?

Great video! What we all wanted to see.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Pleased to hear it!

Wonderful in-depth study of Jupes. One question: Of all the helmets in the back, why didn't you wear the white helmet? Or would that be too big headed...? 😂🤣

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Well, just the yellow one was to hand 😂

Low pressure is for the main hose lines and the high pressure is for the hosereels

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh right!

The Nozzle or Gun as you call it, is called a Branch. The one with the vertical lever on top is an Akron brand branch and the long thin one is an AWG brand branch. As has also been mentioned, the white board is a BA Tally Board

What a great video - in LMM discord I posted an advert for a lot newer and dare I say better fire engine for only £6,000

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Better than Jupes! How dare you 😂 😂 😂 To be fair, she was a lot cheaper than that

@Landie_Man

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but who wants a newer one?

- hard suction connects to the eye of the pump, also that’s not a splitter on the pump, that’s a collecting head

Fantastic.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Driven and instructed on the RS umpteen times for many years with both the 540 and 640 ( all auto) Water tanks were normally 1800 ish litres Through my 30 yrs service Dennis are the God of Fire Appliances Then the Swedish tin tanks came en masse 😩 yuk Get a chance to try both the sabre and Rapier

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh is that all it holds? Rubbish! 😂 I was told wrong then

12:35 the latch was designed to clip onto the older hose reel branches that were initially installed on these, hence the struggle :)

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that makes so much sense! Thanks!

Would you recommend using one as a daily driver or to store camping equipment or something?

I am just reminded of the tv show of Londons burning from the 80s and 90s

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they used Dennis machines too

"Fire engines don't cost much." Unless you want a new one. Or propably even new-ish one (let's say less than 10-20 years, as they still could be used by less well equipped fire brigades). They can easily go for six figure sums.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

When they're looking to be disposed of, they're nothing.

My home town fire department has an old 50’s American la France that they still use

@elwolf8536

3 жыл бұрын

That's awsome !!

personally I like the checker plate mod I had done the sheet metalwork on a set of denniss doors before not an easyfix

I miss the Dennis trucks!

I'd love to have a drive of Jupiter some day

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

It's a wonderful thing to take out

Lawrie it's funny because I'm gonna watch all the jupiter vids again as I am going to become firefighter one day

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoy, and best of luck!

@billymallon1743

3 жыл бұрын

So am I

So the moral of the story is if you want free chips, buy a fire engine.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much

Oh look it’s my self but different

@Hyper_emergencyenthu398

3 жыл бұрын

That’s because ur from London lol

@Randomentertainment580

3 жыл бұрын

You have the ladder with the big weals on the back

Not bat for 40 years old then again it says Dennis so I guess it lasts for ever and the huge presser is for the hose reals and that all the high pressure is for and that the main 70s/45 mm hoses low pressure as there is more water flowing through so will make it uncontrollable with the same as the high pressure

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh really, thanks for the explanation

@southcoast999

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm no problem anything to help as you have a two stage pump on you appliance I only have a single stage which mean I get less pressure so the high pressure makes it a bit easier for tackling a fire

There is a product called Plastex that you might want to look into for repairing the dash and such. It is a great product and I personally swear by it. I've used it to repair many a part on my truck and mercury cougar.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh really? Thanks for the suggestion - how does it work?

@ulrich610tevd

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm its basically a powder that uses a liquid to activate and harden the powder. It bonds to the plastic(as long as it is compatible) more or less the same way model cement holds a model kit together. Once the powder hardens it can be sanded down and basically becomes a form of plastic. Sorry if the explanation is a bit lacking. I use the product but my knowledge of how it works is limited.

I miss these ones!

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

They're great!

@BlueTGM40

2 жыл бұрын

@@lmm they are just grand aren’t they! A real piece of history

looks a nice fire truck and sounds quiet mischievous

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

She certainly has been

the door panels suffered from drumming not rust it was the constantant drumming of the panels that caused them to fail metsl fatigue

Does the climax pump run ? If you need any bits lads let me know as I’ve just restored one

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

The pump does run - the cage is totally rotten though. Pump needs various bits improving upon too

Love these machines of marvel

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

I am particularly fond of this thing

@thehighwaycowboy2822

2 жыл бұрын

@@lmm please keep me posted on your progress

you need to master the clutchless gear change! you should only need it to set off and stop.... it makes driving the old girls far more enjoyable!!

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I've never even tried it in her!

@bungle6668

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm if it wasn't so far, I would come down and give you a lesson!!

I don/t know if you have checked the Dennis Society list lately. www.dennissociety.org.uk/preserved/fire/index.html#anchorucl492w but I notice that the Chassis number is missing from Jupiter's entry. There are 3 R130 Water Tenders and also an R130 Pump Escape listed. Comparing the lists of Buses/Coaches with the list of Fire Engines there appear to more than double the number of Fire Engines than Buses/Coaches in preservation, though a lot fewer with photographs.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

The photo of mine on there is my pic!

I'm planning on buying a Dennis fire engine when I have the money and was wondering what type of hose and hose reels that you had in the back lockers as I'm not sure if the engine I'm looking at has the hose reels with it.

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

I can't remember the size of the hoses in the rear lockers. I'm afraid I don't know enough to say what would or would not of had them. Do recommend getting one though - they are a good laugh!

24:35 Love it

@lmm

Жыл бұрын

Me too!

@johnarat9618

Жыл бұрын

@@lmm Also you're wearing a Leading Firefighter helmet. Just so you know. Leading Firefighters are the OIC of the vehicle and crew.

Your suction hose is the wrong way around, the female end need to be inboard so that when you pull it out it is the right way around to add straight to the pump inlet

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh that makes sense. I just chucked them up there to be out the way 😂

Regret what you have done, don't be regretting what you wanted to do... but didn't!

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Wise words Indeed!

i can see you love you fire engine, i did watch you around 1 year of the channel due COVID-19 issue and i was bored. if your jupiter if be finished when are you starting with your second fire engine. it is well long time you mention it and also long time ago to see working on it. i do love your new projects and your work on it but.... there are few on a stalemate look.. you must write your stories and putting on the display about your truck. that is also funny when you are on a older age for looking back. i see your lockers are most empty and low but that is details are coming for later. also if you using your hoses, you need well to keep it dry and vertical for keep the quality on your hoses. it also smell less if you store them. i was 10 year ago on a open day by mine local firestation and they tell that. to the people.

Is it possible to attach a snow plow to the fire engine?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I guess it's possible

High pressure is for the hose reels and low for the other hose on a side note does your brother still live in New Zealand and if so is he in Wellington?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh thanks for the info - he was in NZ, always the South Island though, but now he's in Canada!

As a landy man I hate chequer plate as it’s a horrific bodge in most cases . But it’s your vehicle

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

As I mentioned, it's not a bad job, they did at least cut the rot out first!

'Starts humming the rescue theme from Fireman Sam' Buh-de-duh, de-duh-de-duh-de-duh-de-duh, buh-dededede-de-dah, de-duh-de-duh, buh-didilli-dup-duh-didilli-dah...!

@BlackieFoxxless

5 ай бұрын

STOP

I think Jupiter is the reason why I might want to nickname my 7 1/4” locomotive to Mars.. cause it’s small and red

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

That's a wonderful name!

of something that vintage is it a proper 5 speed gearbox or is it basically a 4 speed with a crawler when unladen?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

4 speed and crawler.

Enjoyed your film lawrie on Jupiter. Do you think you would do one on your Ruston shunter ?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

We kinda did one already when we reviewed it - could do another I suppose

@ianpress8756

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm that’s ok lawrie I found the film you did on your loco the other day. Looks a very smart piece of kit.

I don’t know why but when I heard lumbering I immediately thought of my Buick special deluxe, then again I’m typically confused when people call it massive at being over 20 feet long hmm...

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, that's quite a length! That's awesome

@blackdog-ei9bw

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm did I mention that it’s a two door model?

Can Jupiter be used to help humanity during the zombie apocalypse?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Until it breaks down, surrounded by zombies!

I think you need to go with Jupiter to meet another fire engine related to the Fireman Sam series in the form of a TACR2 Range Rover fire tender the character Penny used as you could technically have Jupiter and Venus together again.

@Landie_Man

3 жыл бұрын

I believe in fireman sam, Jupiter was a TK though!

@bentullett6068

3 жыл бұрын

@@Landie_Man it was a Bedford TK I don't know if they actually existed as a fire engine?

@Landie_Man

3 жыл бұрын

@@bentullett6068 yeah they did, in many different guises too

@bentullett6068

3 жыл бұрын

@@Landie_Man I will have to have a look at them. I only know of the Green Goddess Befords

@isaacmacdonald6530

3 жыл бұрын

I think so.

Nice

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

You still need a tank, or halftrack!!

Is it just me or is the two tone quite fast? Wondering if its just a good unit that runs smooth, or if maybe it's a Norfolk Fire thing? Just curious.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

It's a replacement compressor, so I assume, it's not quite right

@mrnorthwestohiodude7758

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm Oh! That could be it, I don't think it running faster should harm it, it gives Jupiter her own charm, thanks for the response.

stalham wow!!!

That's an awesome machine :) It's a shame that someone installed the steering wheel on the wrong side ;)

What is the red bar next to the pump

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

There's a pair either side, I think they're for towing

@marineengineer8400

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm Thanks for that. I also a feeling that there were towing related

Laurie, a couple of little mistakes. The RS 133 had the larger 10.47 litre V8 Perkins, not the 8.8 litre. Also the RS was never fitted with the additional side windows, only the SS had them.

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes it's the rs131 with the same engine and auto box

how do u buy your own fire engine etc

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

You find one for sale, and you buy it 😂 It's basically that simple

Does anybody have the same problem as me? I am just not getting the verification message from Discord.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

there can be periods when the automatic verification messages do not come through - try again in 24 hours

wait...... you mean all of those issues you mentioned are from poor upkeep over the years prior to you purchasing it? huh, and here I thought that was just British trucks in general as they appear to be a lot of the issues that UK trucks in Australia suffered from almost from new.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Dennis make good machines, and in service they're kept in top condition because they simply cannot go wrong when emergencies happen. She just wasn't looked after

@RedtailFox1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm fair enough then. I have seen plenty of the same issues from vehicles in museums as well as some more serious ones. You have said in the past that you have a diesel leak. We have a truck at work that, when it arrived, was leaking: Coolant Diesel Engine Oil Transmission oil and something from underneath that our mechanics cannot quite identify, nor can they locate the leak....... ah the joys of old trucks eh?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

😂 😂 😂 Jupes had a diesel leak that took ages to work out

is the one up north the ex Huddersfield one that them went on to work At Standard Fireworks now Black Cat Fireworks

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly can't remember. I have spoken to the owner about it though.

Turner Gearbox? As in Turner's of Wolverhampton? My dad worked there throughout the 80's maintaining the machinery the made the gearboxes

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

I guess so, I don't know where they were built in truth

Lawrie get Ash to do the pump work definitely something that you won't be able to get done yourself

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

The pump has been rebuilt, we just need to plumb it it.

@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm definitely let Ash do that he's good at all that

- also nozzle/gun? They’re called branches

- a splitter? What you got there is a controlled dividing breach

Have you ever thought about getting the dashboard 3D printed?

@Ragnar8504

3 жыл бұрын

That would require a massive printer or gluing up multiple parts. Not to mention it'd take ages to print. 3D printing is glacially slow for objects larger than a key ring, 36 hours is nothing unusual for parts that aren't actually that big, e.g. custom Ts for 110 mm push-fit waste pipe.

@sodorflubbs5000

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ragnar8504 yeah if you do it on one printer. You can get things like that commercially done.

That is 8 Dennis in wales

Beautiful

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Ermmm shouldn’t there be a thermostat turning off the radiator when it’s below operating temp? That still sounds like reason for concern. The parts of that engine are designed to fit together at a certain temperature

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

It's a huge body of water for it to warm up. Sitting in a radiator being blown by a huge fan. It just doesn't get hot unless you ask it to do something. It had new thermostats a while back.

How are old are your front tyres ? With the new law coming in that hgv’s can’t run single tyres older than 10 years regardless of condition ? Also what are your opinions on the new law ?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Law makes sense, but a fire engine isn't an HGV. She's also 40 years old now.

@jasejackdaniels

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm ok but doesn’t it cover any vehicle Over 3.5 tons ? I know bud preservationists are not happy about it . Thought Jupiter would fall under the same banner ?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasejackdaniels When I read it, it said buses and HGV's. Both of which Jupiter isn't. It's daft for old vehicles, they don't don't the mileage.

@jasejackdaniels

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm I am no expert mate , just wanted to make sure your covered. I agree it seems a shame Any vehicle in preservation is now liable . I know a few bus owners and military vehicles especially with tyres as old as the vehicles. Anyway love the channel and Jupiter . Keep up the good work .

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasejackdaniels me neither, but that is how I understand the law at the moment. I could be wrong.

Lawrie do you mean that type of RS left or only 4 remain intact

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

There are just four rs130's left. I think there are something like 33 rs133s

@jackhogan36

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm thanks lawrie 👍

Are you going to purchase any more fire engine

@lmm

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe at some point

- a board for organising? That’s a BA board for breathing apparatus teams

Theres one in essex, we mot,d it. It is impossible for the brakes to come off,

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

A 130 or 133?

@grumpystruckshop3807

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm dont know the type, are you sure the cab does not tilt??

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@grumpystruckshop3807 yes. RS's Don't tilt. They're fun like that. As for the brakes, so goes the story. Maybe inactive handbrake?

Will you ever fit a proper truck air horn?

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

I quite like the air horn it's got 😂

I’ve alwYs heard how fast these are. At least the V8-640 ones are capable of 100mph plus.

@barryb3anz

3 жыл бұрын

the vintage ones are bettet

Was Jupiter by any chance named after Jupiter from fireman Sam?

@lmm

Жыл бұрын

No, I named it that because it's big and red

@LoganMackay2

Жыл бұрын

Ohhhh ok

The one up north is owned by extreme garage I think

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

His is a sabre I think

"If it says DENNIS on the front, im buying it".....

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Good reason to buy something

@adamcrane3571

3 жыл бұрын

Hello@@lmm

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamcrane3571 hi there

@sawyerawr5783

3 жыл бұрын

@@lmm you aren't wrong. At some point there's going to be an Avery steam tractor showing up and my house for the same reason.

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect!

Hi

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

Hey

The hidrent key shood be back by the pump

@lmm

3 жыл бұрын

There's no where for it back there

its is called 6 ton of water which moves constantly/ if you wat realy iffy brakes try a grenn goddess no baffles in the water tank vary scary