They should take the car to next event and immediately retire car after 100m just to make fia look dumb

@TinyBearTim

Ай бұрын

You would prob get done for tampering with race results for intentionally not finishing when there is no problem

@TheMicstep

Ай бұрын

Bring car to event costs 10 times expensive then fine

@Dave1507

Ай бұрын

@@TheMicstep I think audi can manage just so...

@nobass_stub1394

Ай бұрын

@@TheMicstepThat's an absurd statement. it doesn't cost $7.5M Euro's to compete in a single event! F1 presumed to be the most expensive motorsport on the planet equates to $5.4M USD per race per team!

@jaythongsuwan9881

Ай бұрын

​@@nobass_stub1394wait, the video only mentioned €70050 not 7.5m

The W2RC series is joke. with Joke coverage. No wonder no one wants to partecipate in all rounds. Fia being Fia, always wanting money

@willyjimmy8881

Ай бұрын

Man you nailed it, FIA. Every series they're involved in is total chaos. I challenge anyone to name an FIA sanctioned series that isn't mired in controversy or nearly bankrupt or shedding fans or hasn't ran off multiple teams and sponsors. The FIA is a black cloud over motorsport the world over.

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

@@willyjimmy8881 Saw WEC feels good even i know that won't long last Wish WRC could follow

@shadowdraco8660

Ай бұрын

@@Bncxx1275The NHRA and WRC seem to be the best right now. I may be wrong about them though. Feel free to let me know if I’m wrong. For the wec, they have an issue with bop, tire warmer ban, the classes, and some fishy activities. Right after the tire warmer ban, one of the Ferrari hypercars crashed so hard the driver was lucky the safety regs are so tight. His car being so sturdy saved him. Le Mans was also a mess last year because of the tire warmer ban and the bop the fia placed on Toyota, Cadillac, and Ferrari. It was an unfair advantage for Ferrari, and caused Toyota to suffer a brake lockup. Also, something is sus with what happens to cause Toyota to lose. They have to be hit with a hefty bop and suffer a brake lock up, and/or a Ferrari gt car or possibly an LMP2 cars causes a crash, wrecking one of the Toyota cars. I think there was a time where it was an LMP2 car who hit Toyota. Granted, Ferrari gt cars and LMP2 cars do cause an absurd amount of crashes every race, but that is the only way Toyota loses. Don’t get me wrong, I love the wec, and it’s one of my favorite motorsports, but something isn’t right. The fia needs to get their grubby paws out of it, but look into those Ferrari gt cars and lmp2 cars because they cause almost every crash in every race. I think the gt cars, hypercars, and lmp2 cars need to race separately from each other because it is a hazard, and people only watch for maybe 1 class, but the focus is mainly split between the hypercars and gt cars because that is where the action is, and the hypercars aren’t crashing or spinning out every 2 seconds. Despite this, I still love the wec and want it to thrive. I hope the fia either learns their lesson or gets their paws off it before they completely ruin it for everyone.

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

@@shadowdraco8660 on that i agree But as WRC if only they put cost cap Which Toyota and hyundai already hope, because i read some news one of them is feeling tired of amount money they put just to make lap faster less second then before Hopefully with cost cap they can attract more manufacture,make good Investment for them too

@shadowdraco8660

Ай бұрын

@@Bncxx1275 interesting. Thank you for filling me in. I didn’t know that.

making dakar into a series rally is kinda dumb imho as is having dakar itself in where-ever. like try explaining to someone in couple of years where Dakar is because it's not anywhere near Dakar the rally

@Zanion

Ай бұрын

I personally think trying to turn it into a series is fine. It might make the decision to join easier if they aren't forced to build a very specific and expensive car for a single event. The issues is with forcing manufacturers into the championship if they only want to do Dakar

@juaneer

Ай бұрын

Bruh the Rally Raid world championship could exist without the Dakar too. It's like saying the WEC couldn't exist without the 24 hours of Lemans

@edwnas

Ай бұрын

@@juaneer wec wouldnt exist without le mans.

@Zanion

Ай бұрын

@@juaneer of course it could exist. but you can't deny that there would be a lot less manufacturer interest. Rally Raid and WEC were both created to offer Manufacturers not only an Event that is known Worldwide, but an entire championship that can be used with cars from that event.

@lasskinn474

Ай бұрын

@@Zanion they could've tried aligning the class rules with something like baja 500 to bring in more privateers. like it's fine if a bunch of bigger events aligned some of their class rules to make the builds cheaper, easier and usable potentially in other events, but just turning dakar into a more expensive year long series is a lot different and much harder to get teams on, the teams and people don't somehow magically get 5x the sponsor money by doing 5x the rallies. by not focusing on it they don't even have the actual dakar anymore, it's riyadh desert circuit rally.

I didn't even know Dakar wasn't the only race of a series I completely understand only making commitments for the races people actually watch

@juaneer

Ай бұрын

You didn't know there is a Rally Raid championship?

@DanArnets1492

Ай бұрын

There has been a World Cross Country Championship for ages but 0k... First editions were in like the mid 80s

@whoeveriam0iam14222

Ай бұрын

@@juaneer I thought Dakar was a stand alone event for people who don't find the regular rally extreme enough

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

@@whoeveriam0iam14222 like you thought le mans was alone event Without considered monza and silverstone and Nurburgring gp back then ?

@whoeveriam0iam14222

Ай бұрын

@@Bncxx1275 yes because it's the only race you ever hear about until you actually invest time in the sport? even now Le Mans has extra cars from manufacturers because that one race is way more important to win than winning the entire championship year. just because it's the only race that makes it out to the general public

Those FIA galas don't pay for themselves.

@_SpamMe

Ай бұрын

Fines are never used for those. They are specifically earmarked for road-safety programs and that sorta stuff.

@AvocadoAfficionado

Ай бұрын

@@_SpamMe oh you mean like the head of the FIA shouldn't try to tamper with race results, or ask a star driver to blindly back his boss during a misconduct investigation, or open an investigation because one of his staff members is married, or approve street-tracks consisting of nothing but blind corners as fia grade 1 because $$$. Glad you cleared that up, the I in FIA obviously stands for integrity. My bad.

@_SpamMe

Ай бұрын

@@AvocadoAfficionado Do some growing up.

@AvocadoAfficionado

Ай бұрын

@@_SpamMe 🤡

@AvocadoAfficionado

Ай бұрын

@@_SpamMe says the guy who tried to explain a joke with FIA "guidelines" as if they're holy scripture. Grow up, the FIA is an obvious racket.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

@RCmaniac667

Ай бұрын

Nah, let's hate both!

Dakar should be a standalone race any manufacturer can race in if the car meets the specs. If all a manufacturer is looking for is winning the race and it's too expensive to run the rest of the championship. They have no reason to participate after winning it. It's just the fia being fia

@juaneer

Ай бұрын

It's a bit like the WEC and the 24 hours of Lemans. There are always one time entries to that race alone

This happens, when you invite big car manufacturers to championchips. They come and especially they leave as they want. For them racing ist a means of advertising. Win Dakar, promote your brand, goal achieved, pull out of the series. Who cares about the winner of the other races? Dakar gets all the media exposure. Paying the fine costs less than racing their cars and probably lose at some of the remaining events.

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

Yamaha quit dakar bike as example

Show up with a mechanically plagued car and just retire 100m after the start

@alesksander

Ай бұрын

hmm so essentially taking a piss towards regulators. LOL i could see old Lancia group B race they would pull something like that.

@voongnz

Ай бұрын

Cheaper to just pay the fine than transport car and teams across the world and have logistics and other expenses pile up. If you're there, might as well race.

I mean if you pull out of events, you shouldn't be surprized that motorsports series cut budget and dies

@JulesBrunoJjBaggy

Ай бұрын

So that's the FIA's fault for not incentivizing participating. Making up a bullsquat punishment on the spot is not the same.

750,000 Euros is basically like nothing to a gigantic company like Audi, they probably already included it in their Dakar budget, and like you say, it's cheaper than actually taking part in the events anyway. It's still a dumb system in place though, the Dakar has always been treated as a standalone event, if the W2RC can't stand on its own without forcing manufacturers to take part if they want to do the Dakar, then that says a lot about the series.

@colinbowman8816

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the cost is just spread out and paid for by all Audi customers after all. Who cares?

@griffins750

Ай бұрын

@@colinbowman8816not just all of Audi but all of Audi VW Group 😂 1 million euros is NOTHING to them.

@Charlie-go6eb

Ай бұрын

@@colinbowman8816 Please.

I don't like when series do this, which unfortunately a lot of them do these days. Seems silly to me to put in higher barriers of entry to your competitions, only drives away talent and potential headlines. Not every team has the budget (or in Audi's case, the desire) to compete in every round and if you try to force them to the only thing you do is discourage them from competing in the rounds they are interested in. To me it speaks of an organizational failure when a series is so unable to make their other events compelling that they have to coerce their competitors into taking part by withholding entry to their crown jewel. They would be much better off if they actually cared to look inward, figure out why people wouldn't want to compete in them, and try to fix it. This applies to NASCAR with them forcing teams to participate in playoff races even though they are already eliminated and not racing for much of anything, these guys, and even F1 with their ridiculous entry fee and judgement panel of whether you're worthy enough to join, although that last one is reversed in their motivations, that's just milking the interest in their series for profit.

@amorag59

Ай бұрын

It’s both sad and very interesting that Mario Andretti was denied entry as a team in F1 because the other teams didn’t like the idea of splitting winning funds 11 ways instead of 10😅😩. I’ve heard entry to F1 might as well be a flame pit for millions of dollars!

@-ragingpotato-937

Ай бұрын

@@amorag59 That ended with the cost cap introduced in 2021-22

@ndoda2073

Ай бұрын

Facts

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

WEC is fine The wrong one ia glickeunhaus skip 2 last round and hopefully comeback next year

@mistertheking

Ай бұрын

In NASCAR, though even if you are eliminated you're still racing for points from 17th-36th and you can still win the individual races. For this, there was no incentive for Audi, besides winning more races that may not mean much to them. They didn't want to compete for points, either so that throws that incentive out. In IndyCar we have quite a few teams doing one-off entries for the Indy 500 (7 at the moment, one of which is a NASCAR driver racing for McLaren) and it works out well for the series, tracks, and engine manufacturers. If they had to run the entire year to be in the Indy 500, there are tracks that are physically unable to support 33-34 cars. Teams that run one-offs also may not have the budget to do so. I understand what the FIA was doing here, but the Dakar should be treated as a special event, and not as a part of a whole championship.

Sometimes pulling out in time saves a lot of money. If Audi has to pay the fine, then the others should have to as well, which makes no sense else nobody will come back in 2025. But then again, for Audi it won't matter, they came to prove their point obviously and they won as they hoped to. Good for them.

I didn't even know there was a series. The Paris Dakar used to be a cool event, but it's a bit of a mystery now and I was mainly interested because I'm a Carlos fan. It's a shame.

Hello, little bit off topic here but i woud be interested in your thoughts about the 2026 F1 engines. Will you make a video?

@BSport320

Ай бұрын

Yes, that will come at one point.

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

@@BSport320 how about Peugeot 9x8 with wings ?

Bit like saying that everyone who participates in the Le Mans 24 Hr has to participate in all other races in a series.

@RodrigoRodriguezowl

Ай бұрын

thats the FIA for you, makes no fucking sense unless they want it to or who even knows

I was expecting a rule cheat, like the testing sensor and subroutine for emissions tests. Lets never let them forget that! I think they should put one car in one event toward the end of the year, but take the fine. Got to look at it as hard for the organizers. I agree with gafrers.

I really hope Audi goes back to GT3

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

AND BUILD LMDH

No I think the Dakar is the ultimate race. (The mistake the FIA made was to schedule the Dakar so early in the five race series and not to be conditional on full attendance from race #1 to then qualify for the next scheduled race). Lastly any published fines for a race non attendance must be unanimous across all event entrants and part of the pre-published rules. Oh, and Carlos and Audi were brilliant! 🙏🏁

Turns out replacing the motor and battery with new ones every day gets quite expensive...

When is Liberty going to purchase this series also, to put the final nail in the coffin ?

2:31 they should fine Nasser for attending all the races. Fine also the FIA W2RC 2023 for not following their own arbitrary rules. Fine also the 2023 team for allowing participants with not enugh medical rehab done from past injuries caused on the same rally in previous editions and got themselves killed during the race to people's horror. And finally fine also Gokzal team for every race FIA stewards had not inspected other cars since the year they started to ban exotic materials (because we don't really know if someone else has cheated in the same very broad interpretation of crystal clear rules).

first time hear the W2RC series

Classic inconsistency from the FIA.

VAG breaking rules again? Surely not? 😂

RIP their f1 division then xdd

I’ve never even heard of the W2RC

Should've done a start and park for the rest haha

I think the fine structure is reasonable if it’s enforced for all teams. The series has a right to set its own terms and if teams would rather pay the fine that’s completely fine, to complain about a very reasonable measure from the series after you have intentionally violated it is silly.

I'm fairly invested in motorsports and don't understand how Dakar functions. Tells everything about the bad positioning and comms about the sport. Ofc the awareness about Dakar is negligible.

I did not know tha the FIA had any power in Dakar. Dakar is an ASO event.

Always pull out. It's much less expensive

Back in the 70's & 80's, Lancia hardly ever came, to what was then the Lombard RAC Rally in Britain due to it being all forestry and did not allow pace notes, as in other rallies in the WRC. So, as the RAC was the last rally in the championship, if Lancia had won the championship already or did not have any chance of winning, they would not enter the event. The FIA never fined them, for not entering all events.

If AUDI knew the rules beforehand, then it's none of my business, it literally is their business. But I never knew Dakar had become a series, only that it wasn't in/at Dakar any more. It smells like rich boys having a snit fit.

Is it my imagination or does the FIA seem to adopt a very à la carte approach to regulations nowadays?

@razor1uk610

Ай бұрын

FIA, FIM, Dorna, all seem to have become more corrupt than usual, certainly monetary support from the renewed regimes of Saudi Enslavia, The United Emirites & Qatar,.. _ *..with their centuries of culturally renowned honesty, transparency and their equality based caring attitudes to their populaces without oppression, racism, sexism or rape,_ will set a good standard or funding the International Sporting bodies/Associations mentioned earlier. * I am being highly sarcastic of them, for their being apart from Iran and the CCP/PRC, they are barely any less immoral, inhuman, disgusting or objectionable.

Well, I bet it's still cheaper this way than just showing up to these events and not run (or run like 10 km and retire)

750K 😂😂😂 Audi: you want that in cash or what?

Not in every event is different than only participating in 1 of the 5…….. so you can’t compare those

I’d just not pay. They already got their branding/marketing exposure. The FIA wouldn’t dare pull the F1’s team’s right to participate as it’d badly hurt F1. The FIA is a joke. Just look at their super license points system, Alonso’s penalty in Australia which came from a biased steward with a personal grudge, etc.

fia touches, fia breaks. different organizations should get as far as they could from fia management.

Hail the algorithm!

if they really wanted all the team to go to every race, they should make it a requirement before they can attend Dakar.

Lol...image of the series. Literally, had no idea series even exists.

Ah FIA… embarrassing. Why only Audi? I think the rules are clear and Audi knew about the risk of a fine and accepted it. But only fining them is leaving a bad taste now on the organisation, not Audi! Like always FIA is just bad in handling things fair. Either they fine all or no one.

It's going to be fun in F1 when Audi fully takes over the Sauber team then?

The people that profits from Audi also profits from the fia. Its all a constructed story lol

F1 wants to make sure the contracts are water tight or Audi will do the same thing again!

Paris Dakar has been a pseudonym for administrators power for decades. That said it's a race for lunatics in the beginning and i say it should still be from Paris to Dakar via whatever route takes it . Around war torn regions or through them. Mind you im an armchair critic who loves to watch the filmed coverage and I 😅wouldn't go near doing that event for anything.

The French (FIA) keeping it real. 😂

Stick to the rules as laid out at the start.

Fines should apply equally to all, and Audi runs a car in every race, or pays.

They should participate

I don’t even know that Dakar have other races.

Dakar ain't what it used to be and FIA is being pissy as usual. What a sad state.

I think the fines should go to the homeless. Otherwise, I don't know. Thanks for this well-explained update. ✌️

That , is a FIA rule , is not fair its just a ego thing , because if you not make all teams pay the fins that do not do all event it's just bias.

Just like the WEC (used to be?), the Rallyraid World Championship is nothing but a glorified test session for the main event. Made even worse in days of BoP.

750,000 would be absolutly nothing to Audi Peanuts

Let's fine industry leaders to disguise the inability to competently operate a solvent racing organization. End the FIA's current inept management.

We know that the FIA is often very selective in how they enforce their rules.

FIA turning into FIFA

Eff the FIA, which is a safety organization. Audi did not break safety regs. The FIA is trying to make Audi the scapegoat, when all other car makers are doing similar things. Walk away, Audi. And shouldn't you other car makers support Audi by giving the FIA some heat for it?

@imvivalamilo

Ай бұрын

No, the FIA manages homologation and licenses too.

what if they don't pay?

@0Synergy

Ай бұрын

Probably a lawsuit/denied entry into F1

@ryang8349

Ай бұрын

@@0Synergy If audi cannot join f1 because of this, FIA will look bad no? IMO, FIA needs audi to join f1 more than the other way around.

@0Synergy

Ай бұрын

@@ryang8349 Absolutely, but when has the FIA ever cared about looking bad?

I think it's fair, it's a business after all and seeing the winner quit mid season will affect advertising and viewership. It doesn't seem like a big amount for a team like Audi anyways when you consider how much support they got in the previous seasons.

@amorag59

Ай бұрын

Is it still fair that only Audi gets punished when no one else was really doing all the races?

@dhanu_4539

Ай бұрын

@@amorag59 it's not fair, but it is because they won. If they hadn't won no one would have cared about it. This isn't a punishment for braking a rule, this is more like asking for compassion for the damage they did to the series's image. In that sense it's understandable since both parties are businesses at the end of the day.

@dhanu_4539

Ай бұрын

@@amorag59 it's kind of like if Ferrari left F1. Who would take more damage, Ferrari or F1? It'd be the series and not Ferrari. That's why they are giving a bit more leeway when it comes to introducing new regulations. It's not written anywhere but it is a mutual understanding between the two parties.

@amorag59

Ай бұрын

​@@dhanu_4539 I see what you're saying, considering last year they did the same thing but didn't win, but it shouldn't be only because they won (classic FIA move). This is a punishment for breaking a rule in Article 3.4.3 "A Manufacturer undertakes to participate in a minimum of four of the Rallies of the Championship with at least one vehicle of Groups T1, T2, T3 or T4 complying with the technical regulations in force." Just seems a bit liberal with the means and methods of choosing who to enforce.

@amorag59

Ай бұрын

@@dhanu_4539 Oh it's definitely a written rule lol

Audi should just pull out of all FIA events all together .

Smart move! Win Dakar - laugh all the way to the Bank by saving money for a better way of advertisement.

750.000€ is nothing to a massive organisation like audi.

Fine everyone for the races they don't plan to attend. Why have rules if you don't enforce them? Furthermore, you have to provide a disincentive of some consequence. 750,000 euros is nothing to Audi.

FIA are the motorsport version of the World Extortion Forum , . I’m surprised frontman Klaus and PR manager St Gretta didn’t fine Audi too for distributing grains of sand . 😵‍💫🙄

As we say in the US: "Them's the rules". Pay the fine Move on

Tbh in situations like this would the fia even win a lawsuit? If not i say audi just shouldn't pay lmao

its not like they are going to win in F1. My bet is they are going to be 3-4 years and leave

Fine everyone!

750k reasons to pull out and let the FIA raise thier monies in a more honourable way. Dakar should be a stand alone as it was historically

How about a fine for FIA? They did way more damage to motorsport than AUDI.

Well, if they don't fine everyone, it's hardly "justice" to fine only Audi. In any case, I don't watch "Dakar" any more, it's not "Dakar" and the Eurosport coverage sucked, from several years ago...

I always recommend pulling out…… js

I would send 5 guys one car, oppps car broke.

so that's how FIA makes money on dakkar 😅

FIAsco!!!!!

Me going into the video, the FIA doing dumb shit again? Me halfway into the video, man, thats kind of a dick move by audi to do one race in the series.

Quick, name a three letter agency that IS NOT GREEDY and totally fucked up, always finding the deepest & fullest pocket to pilfer from. If they are not giving out the same fines to every team that is not racing all 5 events then AUDI should file in the world sport court?? and make the FIA pay them pack & cover their lawyers fees as well. ""DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO DO UNTO YOU""!

Audi knew this upfront. So Audi needs to pay. Simple

Audi trying to perfect their pullout game . ..

The fine is not cool, but to stop racing a winning car is horrendously stupid. It's not in the spirit; it hurts my racing heart. We build machines to race to the top of every mountain we build ourselves, and after we reach perfection, just stopping and acting like there's nothing more to do is against all we humans stand for.

If the FIA does NOT impose fine on ALL participants that violate the terms of agreement then Audi I'm certain will appeal in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. As it would set a precedent to revoke the fine! GG on Dakar AUDI :)

Dakar of Saudi, its not Dakar

Since Dakar is part of a championship, that's logical And FIA have to be severe, since you CANNOT trust manufacturers. They leave when they want, even if that means to terminate a competition Audi will be punished so much more if it was in F1 or in Moto GP. There's no reason to not do the same with W2RC.

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

Back when lmp1 wec was hurt Only leave Toyota againts non manufacture Of course they won

Given the way Audi has always dominated every class it's entered, if they turn up to all the events, W2RC will look worse then Redbulls F1 domination.

Shout out to the fia always chasing the bag lol…

it's just not cricket ! ....

"bad for the series"...I stopped watching Dakar on TV. Pointless. 30 mins of loud music a few shots of the vehicles. Don't know what happens from day to day. It's rubbish now. Time to stop it. I don't think they public event care about it any more.

How to get rid of fun and competition just fine the holy hell out of em..FIA is corrupt and should be disbanded.

maFIA

Upscale the pictures FFS

Must be all the refunds for the fucking evs they keep putting in these events

"Bad for the image of the series". A handful of people know the Dakar is a part of a series thanks to some really bad marketing from the organisation and equally bad media exposure. Even an important motorsport event like the Dakar rally itself doesn't get the exposure it deserves. One important reason big manufacturers participate in motorsports is because of the publicity from the media, and if there is none, what's the point? I hate to see Audi go to F1 but unfortunately that's where there's an abundance of media attention. That's where the money is.

And we’re upset by this? The only crying will be the buyers of Audi’s because it the fines will be reflected in the sale price, oh wait,…they won’t. No one ever cry’s about what they pay for an Audi.

Just send a car to roll off the start line and then retire 😂

The rules are the rules, flush the FIA.