15,000 rpm V10 with a blown diffuser!!!!! This will be the most incredible sounding machine humanity has ever made!!!!

A two seat car with these kind of performance figures is just far beyond anything else. One day would be much appreciated if you can emphasize more on this.

At the end, you point out what flawed the Valkyrie... Road legal. Of course a compromise is necessary, if you want to ride on public streets, and this one won't suffer from that!

@ISSTI371

2 ай бұрын

It would've made more sense to compare the RB17 to the Valkyrie AMR Pro

@ambergris5705

2 ай бұрын

@@ISSTI371 in theory yes, except of course the AMR Pro is still based on a road car... Most extreme road car ever, but that's still not the same, there are constraints that are too hard to engineer out of the car (multiple country crash requirements, engine idle and reliability, etc.)

@sebastianplaul5513

2 ай бұрын

Mmmm... they only have 3 things in common: headlights ,engine and the name. Everything else is new.

@f.kieranfinney457

Ай бұрын

There are states in the US where this car could easily be road legal. If it was somehow shipped as a ‘kit’ or utilized the pieces of an existing car that held the VIN. Or of course under the ‘show and display’ rules. There are no emissions tests where I live. All you need are the correct exterior lights and a safety test. And a working windshield wiper and horn. And a high beam indicator. Who knows why. I’ll just look in my couch cushions. I’m sure there’s $6 million in there somewhere.

@devandrasimanjuntak1646

Ай бұрын

not entirely. The fact that GMA is able to produce a road car (T.50) that’s lighter than the Valkyrie while having three seats and much more luxuries seems to indicate that something went wrong in Aston’s part of the Valkyrie’s development.

Could this car see action in WEC ?? Just imagine that, valkyrie and rb17 meet in the wec, crazy stuff

@kidpagronprimsank05

Ай бұрын

It not designed to LMH or Dh regulations so no. Valkyrie was designed mostly around the regulation with some compromises on legal and practicality grounds

@theocousins6386

Ай бұрын

@@kidpagronprimsank05 and even then, the Valkyrie LMH car has a completely different monocoque to the road car

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

First of all ACO FIA WEC would reject them because they are not car company Like bykoless did

Worth noting that Red Bull’s F1 suspension partner, Multimatic, has developed a new active suspension system in use in the Ferrari purosangue. There’s a good chance that system will make this car if it requires active suspension.

@gentnextdoor

2 ай бұрын

The Purosangue suspension system is patented by Ferrari

@B_is_for_Bach

2 ай бұрын

@@gentnextdoor the software, yes. The hardware is a Multimatic product. I imagine if Red Bull asked, they’d get the TASV system, but would have to create their own control system software.

V10 at 15k RPM, is going to sound amazing. Even better then the Lexus LFA.

@jamsbong

2 ай бұрын

Even just hearing this V10 at 15000rpm full song will make me cry tears of joy!

2 ай бұрын

not necessarily better, but def higher pitched

@khanyilemgwebi2575

Ай бұрын

Nope,the LFA was literally designed to sound good and not only just like a V10 engine.

@satanswolf

Ай бұрын

@@khanyilemgwebi2575 you know this as a fact?

@khanyilemgwebi2575

Ай бұрын

@@satanswolf a fact based on what? Revving higher doesn't automatically make your engine "sound better",it might not even make it any louder,a lot of things go into making an engine sound good and loud.

I heard the promised of F1 lap times before. Believe it when I see it.

If one person who could count on extreme aero it's Newey. Perfection is his specialty.

At least theres hope that they hopefully put this car in Gran Turismo.

Interesting how the mcmurtry goodwood car has a claimed 2000kg of downforce from a standstill and is not limited by tires. Wonder what kind of weird active suspension they use to manage that...

If a road car can now reach f1 lap times, I think it’s time for FIA to allow formula 1 cars to become much, much faster.

@ambergris5705

2 ай бұрын

AMEN

@classicjoker2008

2 ай бұрын

It's not a road car.

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

It's not a road car. Even the sources show hypercar but not road legal.

@nicholaspisetta3842

2 ай бұрын

At the end of the day, F1 is a sport and if there is one thing that time has shown is that the faster the cars the worse the racing becomes. I think F1 reach is peak performance in 2020, and they are not going past that any time soon

@vercingetorige400

2 ай бұрын

if the only people that where allowed to drive to full exstence the valkyrie where nico hulk and an ex btcc driver you get the hang of their wild claims about laptimes

Folks have to stop whining that F1 cars need to get faster if this car is anywhere near F1 lap times. Don’t pretend this isn’t just an F1 car w/fenders + the massive advantage of zero design restrictions.

Insanity. I hope it won't be smoke. Great analysis as always

For the 500 it will be a fun day to be the owner for the moment. Also the challenge to get a 15k reeving engine certified, not some trivial task either. Nice one, thanks.

I'm quite interested what was the rationale for the V10. Of course, as a lover of high revving NA engines, this is lovely, but Im curious if it's wether to do with design issues and compromises caused by the Twin turbo V8 or the Cosworth V12, or if it's Red Bull fully committing to the Rule of Cool, or simply Newey's prefered design phylosophy.

What a time to be alive 🙌🏻

RedBull finally doing it, bringing the motorcycle revLine to the car market, they're not quiet touching the 16k redlines of some bikes but they're really damn close with this one, i'm proud of them

Blown diffuser, active aero, traction control...they should put a mass damper in this thing just to have all the big name forbidden F1 tech!

Sounds amazing

5:14 where is that speed rating from? I've read quite a few articles mention 1100kg of downforce for the road-going Valkyrie, but a couple say it's at 93 mph (which sounds like bs, pardon my french), a few mention at 137 mph (sounds more reasonable, tho still a racecar level), and now at the top speed. I'm curious as to what is more correct in the end

Is this an opportunity for RB to venture into WSC? Now that would be something 😊

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

Not gonna happen since they not car manufacture

Good stuff! But you got the downforce wrong on Valkyrie. 1100 kg is reached and capped to at 220 km/h when braking and 750 kg at the same speed when cornering.

@maz4304

2 ай бұрын

Was looking for someone who’d notice this before I commented myself. You’re right, and it makes quite a big difference to B’s results!

V10 layout, 15,000 rpm and around 1,000 hp points to an engine capacity of around 4.2 to 4.5 liters. The problem I see there is the valvetrain as those are big valves have to operate very, very quickly. I doubt it could avoid valve float without either a pneumatic or desmodromic valvetrain. They should stick with a V12 to give it more of a chance. Either way it will be interesting to see what Cosworth come up with.

@dylansmit3883

2 ай бұрын

Maybe they'll just dust off and update an old CR or TJ-series F1 V10. It would work for a trackday only machine.

@rafaellastracom6411

2 ай бұрын

It would be a one trick pony but what a trick. I was running some numbers after the initial post and I just don´t see it. Either the engine configuration is going to have to increase or the power figure decrease. That 15,000 rpm figure is a bit ludicrous for a machine destined for the street. Time will tell. @@dylansmit3883

@rafaellastracom6411

2 ай бұрын

It would be a one-hit wonder of sorts. @@dylansmit3883

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

​@@rafaellastracom6411 sources point it's not street legal. Only track legal. RB doesn't want to deal with Governments.

@RCmaniac667

Ай бұрын

​@@gerogyzurkov2259what makes it illegal? Just put a catalytic converter and muffler in there ;)

It will have the same problem as all extremely high revving (over 10,000 rpm) V10s, a lack of reliability. But who cares, it's a halo car that only three people will be able to buy or whatever.

L/D=12 seems a huge leap. Are there any cars ever managed more than 8?

Bugatti Bolide: 800 front / 1800 rear at 200mph... just for comparison. This is just at another level...

Newey final hurrah with Red Bull Racing

7:01 seems like at the moment even the existing members of that family want out :)

Bonkers that Stroll sued those dealers. Aston Martin where Red Bull Racing partners when Stroll took AM over 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

All that just because want his son still in F1 seat And valkyrie cancelled WEC back then

If it's F1 level performance, you need an F1 level driver to get most out of it. Else, a good driver with a Porsche 911 can do better lap times than a millionaire with the RB17.

Ja, klingt ganz interessant... Aber es gab schon viele, die mit Hüpersuperduper-Autos auftrumpfen wollten...😉 Es gibt einen Endgegner: Deutscher TÜV!🤣 Der sagt, was geht und was nicht! Und der Valkyrie hat die Messlatte schon sehr hoch gelegt...😱😎 Und selbst der ist schon Hardcore zu fahren...😉

Wow!

Can you talk about the Bugatti bolide please ?

@BSport320

2 ай бұрын

My first KZread video! kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZN6y82KmbOdfps.html

Didn’t he say that it will have fan like the McMurtry to produce downforce?

Of course, given enough demand, there might even end up being a Le mans hypercar version of the RB-17.

Cool

Fingers crossed tbh

Feels like this is redbull's way of using surplus resources that cannot be deployed because of the budget cap

@mrsoisauce9017

2 ай бұрын

It’s also their way of making sure Aidan Newley stays parked in his Red Bull seat (there were rumors that Newey would leave Red Bull for Ferrari because it would allow him to pursue a road car project, but the AM-RB partnership and now the RB17 give him a reason to stay)

Too bad not a Honda engine as Honda has V10 that was originally for new NSX

Homologating a 15k RPM V10 could be possible if they manage to homologate it under a "small production run". Unlikely but a possibility non the less

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

That production run has to be road legal also. RB probably doesn't want to deal with the red tape. I mean Koenigsegg is closest to extremeness with their top speeds and they still nowhere close to what actual non street track car would of been.

@21sled

Ай бұрын

WEC needs to just make a whole new class above hypercar for crazy cars like this

@gerogyzurkov2259

Ай бұрын

@@21sled One problem. F1. FIA won't make a class to rival F1. Any faster than the current Hypercar class and we start getting closer to F1 speeds which as seen by LMP1 this will not be sustainable at all and will die out. They could of made it even faster with LMP1, but that would make it even more expensive. Plus FIA will not be happy and will not make any WEC class to rival F1 in terms of speed. Hence why Hypercar is a huge compromise of pace from LMP1 for more sustainable development and life to the class. Otherwise it will go out like LMP1.

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

@@gerogyzurkov2259 and i'm glad more manufacture agree about WEC

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

@@21sled it's not WEC It's the manufacture who don't want to spend more money That could more expensive than F1 cars to run on 8-12 round full season That's not very wise

I think it’s really likely RB needs to compromise on at least one of these lofty goals at some point.

@gerogyzurkov2259

Ай бұрын

Nah every goal for this car is within reach with that it's a track day only car and not production. Valkyrie was supposed to weigh just over a ton and the official weight is 1270kg with some say 1330kg and over. That's the penalties of being a street production car.

This isn’t meant to be a road car. It’s a track car that’s insane

Time for Saudi to create Formula X. No limits racing. Ten seconds a lap faster than current F1

so cosworth would two V12, V16 and V10, what a good times, I really hope it doesn't occur to an usaer to ask them for silly V8s

Looking at the numbers, i can't see it comming close to match a f1 car, it seems to have too litle downforce for that... Also being an hybrid, seems that the target weight is just wishfull thinking. But i'm excited!

I really hope this enters LMH

@Bncxx1275

Ай бұрын

Not gonna happen First of all They are not car manufacture That could end up like bykoless Secondary Do they want that under BoP rules Mercedes already reject their AMG one to run WEC And ACO FIA WEC not want one brand more wins with in one season They saw 2018-2020 lmp1, they don't need that anymore

And still people say that Adrian Newey gonna move team when he has something he still wants to do.

Something I noticed about the RB17 that I don’t think anyone else did is that if this car is going to build on the foundation set by the Valkyrie, and the Valkyrie was built with the intent to race at Le Mans from the very beginning, does this mean that Red Bull is also targeting a Le Mans hypercar project? I mean, the image they showed us demonstrates a very similar body shape and outline to the Valkyrie, which is the legal shape for an LMH/LMDh car, so it would stand to reason that such a thing is at least a possibility

@maz4304

2 ай бұрын

Valkyrie wasn’t built to race at Le Mans from the very beginning: the decision by the ACO to ditch the then LMP ruleset coincided with the early days of the Valkyrie project. AM then begged and pleaded with the ACO to re-write the rules to a top class based on road hypercars, a la GT1 days, so as to make the Valkyrie eligible without too many mods. That was why there used to be a rule stating ~20 road legal LMH cars were required to be built. Then Stroll pulled the plug on the project, leaving the ACO with a set of rules worse than the ones they initially drew up. There’s a much more comprehensive, interesting and passionate account of this story buried in the depths of FerrariChat somewhere

@mrsoisauce9017

2 ай бұрын

@@maz4304 that’s not the story Aston Martin tells, but ok. Either way tho, the Aston Martin Valkyrie has the shape of an LMH car, and by extent so does the RB17. There’s no way that’s just down to coincidence

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

@@mrsoisauce9017 Aston Martin loves their public narrative. All manufacturers do. Though the former can't say much when their facing having to pay a huge amt of debt to 1.1 billion i think it was £ which is probably not going let them to race at Le Mans by the time they pay all of it.

@mrsoisauce9017

2 ай бұрын

@@gerogyzurkov2259 wait, what's going on?

@kidpagronprimsank05

Ай бұрын

That why I kinda hope they fail tbh given they permanently screwed Glickenhaus, and made Toyota wasted a lot of money, and time.

Wheres part 1?

It shd be a sports car made for every day use n NOT A RACE CAR FOR TRACK USE ONLY.

@chrismaina1830

Ай бұрын

But then it wouldn't be as extreme as it is now, and wouldn't be as reliable for the road and then we'd end up with just another lukewarm hypercar

i think it would break a neck of any non PRO driver (less than F1,2) with side G force on slicks

No, F1 cars are 798kg, driver included. They've always included the driver. The min driver weight is 80kg, which includes the seat and ballast. So the car weighs 718kg, without fuel "dry weight" for production cars, also means, no transmission fluid, engine fluid, engine coolant, even the battery *cough* italian brands*. That's why an Aventador or an SF90 will have an actual curb weight of over 100kg more than the claimed dry weight, despite on an empty fuel tank. Nonetheless, we can be sure that if RB17 has a dry weight of 900kg, it's qualifying weight, with driver, would be well above 1000kg. Meanwhile an F1 car in qualifying trim is probably 808kg. That's a weight difference of at least 25%. Absolutely zero chance of this thing beating a modern F1 car.

No way it's passing the crash test being a 900kg 2-seater, hence not road legal.

Couldn't I go to the WEC ?

@theocousins6386

Ай бұрын

They’d have to do what Aston Martin are doing with the Valkyrie, and pair the parts with a new monocoque

Did I miss the part one

@BSport320

2 ай бұрын

Red Bull RB17 Hypercar - Part 1 - What We Know So Far kzread.info/dash/bejne/pnZklNannqbNo6g.html

Lol😅 They just have to limit the RPM to 6000 when driving on the road so that it won’t be so loud.

Plot twist. Toto wolf will be customer No.1

🤔...I still continue to prefer an aircraft with two wings rather than an aicraft with four wheels

It could be the fastest and coolest thing ever, with all the features the 919 Evo had but without all the compromise. And then break the record at the Nürburgring with it. Come on Adrian, you want it too!

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

It's track only as u said. I thought it was production car also. Nope it's not road legal.

@Jesko.

2 ай бұрын

Not happening. It's going to be ground effect reliant.

@th1nk_outside

2 ай бұрын

@@Jesko.so was the 919?

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

@@th1nk_outside not really it was more active aero.

@Jesko.

2 ай бұрын

@@th1nk_outside It wasn't.

The engineering is certainly interesting but I have no love for "hypercars" intended for the street. With speed limits and practical reality being considered, they're just silly. To have a dreadfully ugly car for the sake of performance that will have you put in jail if you try using it seems like a bad proposition. On the track, I have no basis for criticizing them. Newey is awesome so I do feel some excitement about this car.

If it's not street legal then that disqualifies the car from holding the top road car record at the Nurburgring. That might not matter if it's "able" to be licensed for road driving but it would have to run any record attempts in street configuration.

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

Street car = unmodified production car. Even if modified to street it still it has to be unmodified in that state production car with numbers. According to Guinness records it has to be at least for production street legal 50 produced to qualify.

@budthecyborg4575

2 ай бұрын

@@gerogyzurkov2259 Great info. So this means Red Bull only needs to sell 20 units in street configuration to qualify.

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

@@budthecyborg4575 yep

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

@@budthecyborg4575 actually checked its 50 units min.

@budthecyborg4575

2 ай бұрын

@@gerogyzurkov2259 It is a weird technicality that's easily circumvented though, technically it doesn't matter what configuration customers order Red Bull could just "deliver" every car in road mode and then change all the parts to race mode according to customer spec after the fact.

A 15k rpm v10? I will only believe it when we can hear that thing

RB17 1,2 tons

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

It's supposed to weigh under the 1000kg.

@vercingetorige400

2 ай бұрын

@@gerogyzurkov2259

So another road car with better engine than the F1 👀

So much engineering for a car that will stay in garage yet on E36 they only did some tweaks and tuning and they're beaters for nring

so its not really a street legal no rules car. its more of a 2 seater f1 car with no f1 rules

I'm far less exited about this car than the Valkyrie. The Valkyrie isn't a road car it's a racing car that's barely street legal. It's too loud, too low and too uncomfortable. People aren't really going to enjoy driving it.

Please use ONLY Honda as it is wining engine.

@theocousins6386

Ай бұрын

Afaik, Honda don’t have any current or former V10s applicable for this project. Their F1 engines wouldn’t be compatible (and they weren’t the most reliable anyways)

V10 15.000 rpm pesando 900kg, parece carro de video game! Espero que não tenha aquele som irritante da Valkyrie no modo elétrico

@wendellnovais

Ай бұрын

O Aston Martin Valkyrie não tem modo elétrico,aquele barulho é da transmissão que usa engrenagens de dente reto,igual um carro de corrida.

Ok but what is the rb17?

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

RB own hybrid v10na track car. Engine is made by Cosworth. Newey heading it.

@classicjoker2008

2 ай бұрын

@@gerogyzurkov2259Not a road car.

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

​@@classicjoker2008OK got it.

@theGoogol

2 ай бұрын

Due to the-virus-that-shall-not-be-named, RBR F1 went from the RB16 F1 car to an updated RB16B car the next year. For that reason, the RB17 F1 car was never made. Hence, RB uses that name (to fill in the gap) for their F1 car for the -road- track.

@vercingetorige400

2 ай бұрын

@@theGoogol valkyrie may have done some things wrong but surely it didnt get the name wrong

I want 2

I mean the Valkarye AMR Pro is already faster than the last gen LMP1 cars, so I think its fair to say that the RB17 would definitely be able to stay within at least 10 seconds of an f1 car laptime at a minimum.

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

Valkyrie am pro hasn't set official lap times yet. Give sources plz. Manufacturer claimed isn't right to use. At least AMG One bothered to do it.

@freyala024

2 ай бұрын

The only laptimes I've been able to find for the AMR Pro are from Bahrain where it was barely faster than a GTE car, it's far away from LMP2 and the current Hypercar class, nevermind the absolute monsters that were the previous gen hybrid LMP1s.

@gerogyzurkov2259

2 ай бұрын

@@freyala024 at least props to Merc of making official lap times for their project One car.

@maz4304

2 ай бұрын

@@freyala024any lap times will be massively driver dependent. Of course that’s the case with all cars, but much more so with a car like this. Best guesses, AMR Pro is 95-100% speed of peak LMP1. Although heavier and not 4WD, it’s super aero efficient in comparison

@sebastianplaul5513

2 ай бұрын

​@@freyala024 The Valkyrie was able to do production car record with road tyres, a record faster than a GTE with slicks. The AMR Pro is in the LMP1 zone.