I bought a Toyota Land Cruiser instead of a Daytona.

@airborneranger-ret

3 ай бұрын

lol

@sstanforddpt

2 ай бұрын

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I would avoid Breitling like the plague. My wife bought me one in 1996. Highly emotional sentimental value. I had it serviced a number of times over the years directly through breitling. Took it in recently for a repair. Keep in mind it's a mechanical chronograph. I got an email saying they could no longer get parts for my quartz watch. I brought the error to their attention and got another form letter that they could no longer get parts for an ETA movement. Somehow that doesn't seem possible. Breitling is decided they don't want to service their own watches. Imagine if you buy a Breitling today with all in-house movements and they refused to service it. Fortunately I had many other options for service on an ETA movement. I'm done with breitling.

@v0llm1lch

3 ай бұрын

Every watchmaker should be able to service an ETA movement, that's unacceptable..

@mohnnadmercedes8246

3 ай бұрын

Sam with Tudor will not service ETA they will replace the entire movement from selitta chronograph for older models.

@jamesblonde2271

3 ай бұрын

Thats astonishing

@toddallgier914

3 ай бұрын

@@mohnnadmercedes8246 I would have been totally fine with a complete replacement. That was not offered.

@franky3fingers337

3 ай бұрын

I think people here misunderstand. You have a neo vintage Breitling QUARTZ watch. I think that is where the problem is. Movements for quartz watches like the Breitling Navitimer Jupiter are no longer made. Especially movements that were used in Breitling Plutons which used a Digi-analog movement. Once those have battery leaks there is no easy way to source a movement replacement which is what it will need. This would not be an issue with a MECHANICAL watch. There you will be able to service it in the future up to a certain degree. But that is the issue with all watches. Rolex for example will not service certain bubble back models because they no longer have the parts.

Great to hear you mention Sinn as it's a real tool watch with great specifications. Sinn also has the 356 in a copper guilloche dial which when you imagine buying with the Zenith el primero and the Tag Heuer carrera for a second hand Daytona the conversion becomes redundant.

Great video! I highly agree with the choices you made. Breitling with their contribution to chronographs, Heuer with their history in racing, Moonwatch is timeless, and the fact that the Daytona housed an El Primero movement for over a decade.

I love what this channel has become. It's brilliantly curated, great personalities and the passion shines thru.

@samabbaticola

3 ай бұрын

Thank you. really appreciate it!

I own a Sinn 104 St with a blue dial on a leather strap and is one of my favorites on my watch box. Sinn watches is one of the best kept secrets "value for money" in the industry. Nice video guys, cheers!

Great episode. Thank you for not trying to follow trends like many other watch youtube channels are doing. Great curated videos.

I, like many have grown incredibly tired of the Rolex game. Until I can walk in to a Rolex AD and pick out watch without waiting a year, I think I have bought my last Rolex. Breitling on the other hand is making some amazing new products. Georges Kern has made the brand a real powerhouse again. I had not bought a Breitling in about 12 year (Navitimer was my last) In the past couple of months I bought a Chronomat and a Superocean. I can’t stop wearing them. I have had more compliments on the two Breitlings than I have ever had on any of my Rolex watches. Great video!

@danielledaily434

3 ай бұрын

Well said. I love my new super ocean, I bought the rubber strap for summer in addition to having the bracelet. My submariner just sits in the drawer at this point.

@v0llm1lch

3 ай бұрын

Not a Breitling Guy but I totally get your point about Rolex. Tired of their politics..

For resale Daytona price you should be going haute holorogy - Vacheron Overseas Chrono, old 39mm Royal Oak Chrono “Kasparov”, Lange 1, etc.

Curator of the Theo and Harris watch Shoppp 👌

Thanks for mentioning Sinn! Their watches just rock and I love my 356 Flieger! Helmut Sinn was a fighter pilot, so it's definitely a legit watch.

the new zenith is absolute fire

Great discussion. Thanks Guys! I think the Speedy FOIS is probably the strongest contender here...but lots of great options to consider.

@samabbaticola

3 ай бұрын

That's an amazing watch.

Where the hell is the Tudor BB Chronograph? That has to be the best Daytona alt for that price and easily more attainable.

@stevenaltiner6578

3 ай бұрын

Agreed! It's the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the video title!

@alanmcfadzean1225

3 ай бұрын

It is becoming more and more clear the gap between the channels who have brand affiliation. I’m slightly disappointed obvious it’s becoming.

@dukes70

3 ай бұрын

$7K for Speedmaster with hesalite and closed caseback. Can pickup older model with 1861 mvmt even cheaper. No Tudor?? Most obvious alternative!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I’d rather have the Breitling Premier with B09 manual wind or Navitimer

@Lockeness86

3 ай бұрын

Probably because it’s a super obvious choice. Everyone already knows about that watch

Getting my 1861 Speedy back. Can't wait.... would take that over any other chronograph. And compared to the new one these are almost half price...I just don't see a reason to buy the new one. And the bracelet pinches hair, which was a surprise when I tried one on recently.... so I'll wear mine on a strap anyway

The Sinn Flieger 356 in white or grey is a no-brainer indeed. Beautifully simple and clean.

Great video guys. Do you suppose the name just reading "Heuer" on the dial leaving off the "TAG" might change the perspective of the watch for some in a more positive light?

@alexrastelli7323

3 ай бұрын

I would say yes - considering that many pieces tag makes now don’t have it on the dial. I reckon the only reason LVMH doesn’t drop the tag name altogether is that the brand has a large presence to the non watch world world

Really enjoyed this breakdown guys, nicely done. You’re upping your game, ‘and’. Another value play in the chrono world is any Grand Seiko Chrono, spring drive or high beat…. Vastly superior tech and value.

@aaronmauer7225

3 ай бұрын

But it is not iconic and also is a pretty big watch. I do agree it is still a great watch

The Sinn 356 dials are so beautiful, but 15mm thickness for the sapphire (15.6mm for acrylic) makes it look silly on the wrist. And Sinn knows it, which is why they don't post any photos showing the thickness.

This was a good episode

I’m looking for a chrono and settled on zenith. The history and the look of their watches is great. The size too is perfection.

I’m not sure “value” even comes into it in the luxury space. But I really enjoyed this video ❤

IWC Pilot's Chronograph 41. Green Dial. Put it on the list.

Breitling all day long. I have a Navitimer and a gold Cartier tank. Just love Breitling

@samabbaticola

3 ай бұрын

How do you like the Navitimer?

@steffenbaden-baden1274

3 ай бұрын

Got a Navitimer since 1996, best Watch i ever owned 👍🏻 one time in service in the last 28 years, cant top that 👌🏻

@samabbaticola

3 ай бұрын

@@steffenbaden-baden1274 That's awesome to hear!

It would be cool if you guys had a close up of what you wearing when doing the wrist watch check! Great video

I have always loved breitling. I have 2 and I plan to get another soon

The Daytona with its integrated chronograph movement is what it is thanks to Zenith and the El Primero

@reesebroekhoven3962

3 ай бұрын

Exactly! Then there's the people that say the el primero is trying to be a Daytona. Went it's actually they other way around

I’m surprised you didn’t include the Tudor BB Chrono at about $5500 retail, and less pre owned.

@PocketUau

3 ай бұрын

It's a 200g, 15mm thick hunk of steel with minimal attention to quality control and the least wearable proportions I can think of. Spending $5500 to damn every saint every time you wear it is just torture.

Criminal to not include the Tudor Black Bay Chrono in this. Easily the best alternative for the money.

That Zenith is the best chronograph made in the past 20 years, hands down. Insane watch.

Great video! Surprise no mention of Tudor. Perhaps Tudor fatigue.

Sinn - nein Tag- ok maybe Omega- yes but which one Zenith - Yes I’ve been lookin Breitling- uhh only new one would be the 806 reissue

The JLC Polaris Chrono is worth mentioning as well, though I understand if you dislike it due to JLC's recent and excessive price hikes.

Watches I would prefer to a modern Daytona: Omega Speedmaster Zenith Chronomaster and Chronomaster Sport GP Laureato PF Tonda GT VC Overseas

I’ve been collecting for years and have a large Rolex collection and I have a Sapphire 3861 Speedy in my collection instead of a Daytona. It cost me $5k and has more history and I bought two other Rolex’s with the savings… No brainer.

Also: the Daytona is horrific legibility.

The Rolex Daytona is the best sports chronograph Jesus devised.

@tommysimsek5639

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, thinner than the rest and maintains auto rotor when speedmaster doesnt. Also screw down pushers where the alternatives mentioned don't.

Thanks for the vid! Please actually show your watches, during the "wrist check". Seeing it actually on the owner's wrist, reveals alot.

Little less mainstream but would get a Breguet XX. Heritage like crazy, great size, flyback Chrono, easily half the price of a Daytona. Got a solid gold XX last year on gold bracelet for way less than pre-owned steel Daytona. Also, that Zenith chronomaster sport, gold, on strap, for less than 15K... Sexy.

The closest you will get to a Rolex Daytona at a fraction of the price is a neo vintage Zenith El Primero Rainbow.

@v0llm1lch

3 ай бұрын

Tudor small block & big block :)

I don’t know if you guys have mentioned it yet but you should definitely check out the collection of Donald Glover’s character in Mr. And Mrs Smith. Definitely worthy of a mention on the channel. And the show is really good too.

Surprised that with zenith there was no mention of, or photos of the chronomaster sport. That model with the ceramic black bezel and white dial is extremely close to the aesthetic of Daytona

What do you think of the new gem set Zenith Primero? To my eye it looks far less gaudy than the gem set Daytonas.

The other issue with Sinn is their website sucks. It looks like it hasn’t been updated since the 90s

I dont even want a daytona now because of the baggage.... purchased a JLC Chronograph recently. Looked at the Zeinth but didnt understand the 1/10th of a second gimic.

I went Speedmaster Sapphire Sammmiich!! :D I love it, it makes me feel GREAT!!

Unexpected choice with the Sinn 556 chronograph. I see that as maybe an alternative looking for an alternative to something like a Breguet Type XX. Truth be told, I’m not a Daytona guy, I’d choose a Speedmaster Pro over a Daytona just as a matter of personal style. I own a Zenith A385 Chronomaster Revival. The El Primero had to be on this list. The Originals based on the A386 are stunning too. El Primero, the vintage leaning ones are amazing. Easy choice. I hope they continue to return to that well.

My next watch is the Omega Speedmaster Racing. And you don't have to spend 8 grand for one. The version I want, white dial and white subdials, can be had for ~$3,200-$4,000.

@samabbaticola

3 ай бұрын

Love that watch.

Tag sells the Glassbox on a bracelet, they just don't list it on their site.

Tudor Black Bay Chrono and Zenith Chronomaster Sport.

The furlan marri flyback column wheel chrono would be my pick if i was going to buy a time only chono

If you’re paying 30K for a Daytona you deserve to get ripped off. My god man the watches available at 30K are insane!

I would have picked the Breitling Navitimer B01 Chronograph personally. While the dial is busy, it’s also unique the most unique and historic of the brand. Otherwise, definitely the Speedy is hands down the better chronograph of the bunch. Not biased because I have the 3861 hesalite… lol 😅

The new gold speed masters are going for 40% retail. Unworn. The green dial moonshine full gold bracelet are going for $25k. Retail is $41k. Gold dial $5k higher

The new gold Zenith Chrono Sport is the best watch of 2024 and I challenge anyone to convince me it's not. But the $100,000 price point is a problem.

The tudor chronograph not on the list? Zenith has another entry with the chronomaster, which should be the #1 imo

I'm old enough to remember when Speedmasters were $700🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Daytona is called the cosmograph. It wanted to go to the moon but didn’t make it.

hold on, christian, sam, theo, harris? too many names to keep track of!

My Zenith A384 is my Daytona replacement. Love it so much and don't desire the Daytona at all

Bring back Theo

@mdo5121

3 ай бұрын

Who is Harris……who is on first

in sell value is the anywacth can beat daytona?

I picked a Sinn EZM 3 over the Submariner even though i could afford the Rolex comfortably. They're amazing watches.

Wow... You guys are still around?

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Those Sinns are a foot thick, wear gigantic, unlike the Daytona....

How are we not talking about the Bb chrono that has the same B01 inside Dollar for dollar better then the rest of the list at that price point and design

Just you have to wait for 2 to 3 months to get a Sinn but they are fabulous watch I have a titanium chrono GMT watch super accurate

If I was gonna spend 25-30k on a chronograph, it would be a Universal Geneve Nina or Clapton. I find it beautiful and more interesting than the Daytona IMHO. Also, for 15k, I can get several great chronos, like the Sinn 356, Nivada Grenchen CASD, and have money left over.

You guys had me until that Breitling 90s mall watch.

Thank you!!!! So true in everything you say, and yes, I believe the Zenith is a more important watch, horologically, than the BORING Daytona.....(Dont get me started on the "Value" of a Daytona)...Elephant in the room....lets say what we all thinking, the Daytona is for people that have money and want others to know they have money....its by a Marketing company that happens to make watches...... now to wait for all the Rolex fans to come at me with pitchforks and fire!!! EVEN Hans Wilsdorf said Rolex is a brand/marketing company...The Founder of Rolex said that! So........😉

So Sam is the &???? Theo is Christian and Michael is Harris???

I don't get what the deal is with Daytona. Rolex has some distinctly Rolex-y models but the Daytona looks exactly like every other chronograph from every other manufacturer. The Speedmaster looks like itself really so it is very distinct and that is a bonus. With prices skyrocketing, Speedmaster@$8,000? crazy, if you are on a budget, look for a Speedmaster Automatic. Massively cheaper, just as good, no hassle in winding it and better proportions.

All these watches are great but the Daytona wears so much better then all of them because of the thin case. There's a reason the Daytona is 👑

@Michael_T_

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Don’t let that cheeky Harris fool you.

Get something different. I recommend the Vertex MP45. Amazing piece.

GP laureato panda dial

Seiko speed timer.. 😂

Surprised no AP chrono not this list. Pound for pound even if you’re potentially spending more for some references it is better. Especially compared vs the non-retail price of a Daytona, and given AP has come off decently in the secondary market. You’re getting something that has a much higher “perceived value” and getting more recognition for having something special within and outside of the watch community.

Sinn shoots themselves in the foot by, by and large, having most of their watches all brushed. I know they do some polishing, but it takes the sparkle out to not have part polish/part matte. I get that the aesthetic is that Sinn is no-nonsense, but still I think it doesn't make the watch feel as special as others.

Wonder if the Daytona would have the same status/cult following if it didn't have the "Newman" association/connection? I bet not! And personally, would go for Primero over a Daytona any day of the week.

What do people actually time with the chronograph?

@Vicandiers

12 күн бұрын

I use my chronograph multiple times every day and I actually almost never wear a watch without chronograph function unless for a special occasion. I use it for cooking, working out, timing breaks during work and a lot of other random moments when I just want to know how long something takes to do. For me it's the most useful tool on a watch, maybe even more useful than the time.

That Sinn is fuckin' hot! Beaut. I'd much rather have that than a Daytona.

Guys face the music. Most Daytona owners will most likely additionaly own manny of the alternative watches you mention by choice since money isn't much of an issue.

Rolex Daytona wasn't even able to be given away by Rolex a few years back THEEEEEEEEN Mr Paul Newman's sold for over $17mil THEEEEEEEN the world thought they were the greatest watch Zenith ever created and the people believed every Daytona was worth $17mil

With Rolex, do you actually ever get in? I have 4 and still feel like an outsider.

I like Zenith watches but I can’t buy something that’s named after a shitty VCR

I kinda felt the speedy bracelet was not as nice and a weak point for the Speed master. Whenever I put one on the price of it just puts me off...

@v0llm1lch

3 ай бұрын

Imho the new bracelet is a huge upgrade to the Speedy. Prices in watch market got insanely high in general.. But compared to other brands (IWC ingenieur...f.e.) omegas pricing is still okay...

Rolex Rolex Rolex, the other watches don’t compare it look nothing like the Daytona when you’re low when you see a Daytona, you recognize it right away nothing makes you feel good like a Daytona on your wrist

@Franzino

3 ай бұрын

I don’t like that a Rolex is straight away recognizeable as a Rolex by everyone…it’s not for me and that is the main reason I would not buy a Daytona or any Rolex. But they do make nice watches…just not for me.

The German S- in Sinn is pronounced more as ts than z.

Hey - I have a Daytona in my collection and I don’t represent any of those characteristics you described. I suspect your point of view could be generational. Best regards, Mr. Valjoux

You mean the Zenith Daytona? 😂

Tudor?

I love the design of the Daytona I really do but………..there is no way I would buy one on the grey market at almost twice list……nah, which does mean I will never get one, unless all of a sudden Rolex falls out of favour and they can’t sell them anymore. It could just happen. They sure have not done themselves any favours in recent years with their reputation and horror AD stories of treatment being talked about a lot.

15.1k is not overpriced for the Daytona. I get that Rolex hate pays in terms of views but this is pushing it

Hype aside. Every one of these alternatives have parts of what you want from a Daytona but non compare. A Daytona is a critical clutch, automatic chronograph with 100m water resistance. 12.4mm thick and 39mm. The thickness of the Sinn is 15.6mm. Oof Tag is 14 mm thick. Speedmaster is 42 and 14. Something thick with only 50 meters of WR. Zenith comes the closest but non triple date has 4:30 date. Also thicker. Triple calendar is cool! 50 meters WR. The breitling?! 15mm thick and 42 mm. Forget Rolex clout. Zenith comes the closest I think but at the end of the day you are settling if what you have your heart set on is a Daytona. :)

The video was kinda a waste after both of you guys admitted people with Daytona money won’t buy anything else. I don’t know why people focus on the Daytona alternatives vs Speedmaster alternatives which there are a few you already suggested at less than £7500 IMO it’s a nice watch, a trophy piece. But I’m not in that bracket for a Chronograph watch, rather it be a dress watch

For me, collecting watches is a big sea of ideas and watches And maybe cheap watches give you the same quality and maybe better than expensive watches and this thing applies to cars we all know that Toyota more reliable than a Mercedes or a Bentley even in technological and luxury the Chinese cars are close there BUT its not all about that the fun with collecting watches its gonna be unaffordable it gonna be painful it gonna hurts! And these characteristics does not have with cheap watches and Cheap cars,,, some people will understand what I mean

Nice

Ill buy what i want

No one buys a rolex because it does anything mechanically, they buy it to show other people they have a Rolex. So an alternative doesn’t fit the bill and respectfully neither dies this video honestly 😂