4WD Mini Rock Bouncer Build Suzuki SV 650 Part 2
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Today I'm starting a new build a 4WD mini rock bouncer using a Suzuki sv650 for the powerplant. This Suzuki sv650 v twin makes about 75hp and should be perfect for this mini rock bouncer! In the first part I'm fabricating hub adapters for the wheels and looking at the general layout. I'm also starting on the front suspension layout and spindles and ball joints. If you have any suggestions for this build let me know in the comments below!
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Chris push everything over to the passenger side! Sit side saddle of the motor and clutch. That way you have all the room for your body and it puts the center of gravity a lot power.
@wadewright3556
2 жыл бұрын
Then what do you do with the drive shafts? They can't be off centered.
@MrBenstero
2 жыл бұрын
@@wadewright3556 yes they can. He can move the differentials to one side of the axle and have different size axleshaffs. This is the only way he'll be able to keep a low center of gravity.
@chrisbrookshire861
2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBenstero Yeah and maybe use some cv joints for any off angles. But u joints can handle some misalignment.
@MullinPerformance
2 жыл бұрын
@Montana West Photography Studio This is exactly what I was thinking too. That's a bad ass bouncer. Chris can move all that junk too one side and use his body as counter weight. That's the only way too keep this from looking so goofy.
@rswany16
2 жыл бұрын
I actually had an idea to do that to a 4 wheeler a long time ago. Stretch the chassis and move the engine and trans to one side. I should really try it someday!
You will need to add slip joints to the drive shafts they were intended for the differentials to be fixed, now your differentials will be moving up and down causing the length of the drive shafts to vary.
@dylanzrim3635
2 жыл бұрын
I say let the shafts bend
@fullmetaljacket7
2 жыл бұрын
@@dylanzrim3635 I say use rubber drive shafts
@SHSPVR
2 жыл бұрын
@@fullmetaljacket7 that bad idea
@Gu1tarZer0
2 жыл бұрын
definitely needs boots too since it's an off-roader
@98976h
2 жыл бұрын
let`s learn the hard way
4 Wheel Steering and Reverse. You will charge your mind.🤔 😎👍It's not to late.
I’ve known Chris since before he was a you-tuber… he has a great mechanical mindset… being able to see what he wants and then being able to build it… a good man to boot. Hey Chris … tell your dad to be careful when he’s out climbing.
@joecolosi1795
2 жыл бұрын
@johnnytheprick he’s a great young man… he loves and honors his family. I know I’ve given him a couple go-cart frames and a motor or two … not sure about the rest of the community… I do know that he’s got a crab of a neighbor who lives just down the street that he has to deal with occasionally… someone who acts just like Jeff Dunhams “Walter” but otherwise he’s got a good bit of support I would say. I need to go see him, I have run across a bunch of taps and dies that I bet he could use and I would rather he benefit from them than some stranger when I croak off..
@joecolosi1795
2 жыл бұрын
@johnnytheprick He lives in a mountain town called Weaverville, which is a lot like what you see on the Andy Griffith show, 11 red lights in total in the whole town … it’s a beautiful mountain town, where the weather is not too hot nor is it too cold. We only had what, maybe 2 really cold weeks this year and it never got below 9*F I don’t think and the summers are quite nice with an average summer temp of about 85*. I will be sure to tell him hello. May swing by his house after I get out of my dentists appointment later today…
What up early gang
@JoseManuel-lj4dk
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoying a great learning video
@lifeononeweel3008
2 жыл бұрын
Drugs
@rwosu
2 жыл бұрын
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Instantly clicked as soon as it popped up
I imagine scraping the cvt would be the best, fair enough it would be easier and more user friendly with it, but cvt's drain A LOT of the power from the engine. Also with a 650 v-twin the factory clutch and engine should make it fairly easy to get going, and with a low series as well it should be no issue. I think the cvt will cause more headaches than pleasantries
@clarkb1900
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Plus you can't have the CVT slip for control (like with a hydraulic) without burning the belt.
@abde4645
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i agree
@evanwebber9981
2 жыл бұрын
The diffs probably have some amount of gear reduction, so it should be fine with just the SV650 factory setup. I've thought of doing something like this for years.
@clarkb1900
2 жыл бұрын
@@evanwebber9981 Exactly- between the diffs, the 2 speed box, and the engine's tranny the gearing'll probably be pretty low. And with a chain going between the engine and T-case, the gearing could be finetuned with different sized sprockets.
@musicauthority7828
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the CVT system belongs, but you are wrong about it robbing power and torque. one has to look no farther than snowmobiles to see that.
CVT engagement when being driven off of the gearbox may only work properly in a couple of the gears… depending on what RPM it’s setup to engage/disengage.
@brianpiper3188
2 жыл бұрын
I agree! The 2016 Polaris Sportsman 570 I used to own idled at 1200 rpm, engaged the CVT at about 1300-1400 rpm. For reference, 44 hp engine.
@mdnovaman
2 жыл бұрын
It’ll only work properly from 4th upward on the engine (1:1 gear ratio). Any other gears it’ll need the engine to be revved really high first. Best off just throwing all the cvt in the bin.
@brianpiper3188
2 жыл бұрын
@@mdnovaman I'm ok with CVTs, but I think that would be the best.
@fitzfarm8694
2 жыл бұрын
It will just depend on how he gears it going from the motorcycle transmission to the cvt. With the proper sprocket size he will be able to used all 6 gears.
@lizzard7473
2 жыл бұрын
@@fitzfarm8694 i think you may be the only one who has properly thought this out. Its really going to be tricky. I think that once he gears it high enough to engage in the lower gears it will effectively cancel out the usefulness of the lower gears. Leaving just the high/low range in the gear box as the effective difference. Its I think over complicated. But this guy is all about exploration and is bright enough to find a solution.
Been following you for some years now…..the progression with your skills from then to now is awesome to see.
@shane_7even_ten569
2 жыл бұрын
Me too!!! I’ve been here since his chainsaw skateboard 🛹
@Rudy97
2 жыл бұрын
@@shane_7even_ten569 I have been here since the first bike video he ever made. Incredible how much he has grown. I can only hope I can get there myself.
@shane_7even_ten569
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rudy97 I love how much he actually makes from scratch
@lelisatachaguacabrera1408
2 жыл бұрын
Buenas
Going down the rabbit hole again 🤔 that's some mad scientist shit!
5:59 dang your getting crazy with these edits
This has to be the coolest build on KZread right now. Can't wait to see the smile on your face when you take it for the first spin! You could always add rear-wheel steering later on down the road. You're always modifying your builds anyway. Just leave room for that just in case you decide to eventually have it planned ahead.
@inmyopinion6836
2 жыл бұрын
BAHAhahahaha . I can't wait either . With this design , he wont get 50 feet before getting a wrecker to hoist it back on his trailer . This is the WORST thing he has come up with yet .
You’ll need a slip drive shaft for a 4 link, allows for slight changes in driveshaft length. Looks awesome man
@talkingtrashtom
2 жыл бұрын
I was just going to comment this.
@chrisperks1112
2 жыл бұрын
beat me two it lmao deff a must
@aflan99
2 жыл бұрын
He addressed that at 23:50... Not when the pivot points are aligned with the U joints.. The way he has it is like a 5th link, that spins.
@dylanzrim3635
2 жыл бұрын
@@aflan99 thevrisk of it binding still is rather high
@fullmetaljacket7
2 жыл бұрын
All he has to do is use a rubber drive shaft. Problem solved!
Your Millwork is top notch. You always come up with solutions to make you parts, especially the spacer holder you made. Keep the awesome builds.
here is a thought for you, you can offset the engine and transmission to the right like a lot of full sized special built rock bouncers. making room for you to sit next to the engine transmission, lowering your overall height and center of gravity and giving more room for suspension travel.
@lelisatachaguacabrera1408
2 жыл бұрын
Jalgd usar
Prius elec steering (from salvaged offerings) are a cheap and easy way to add epass to anything! It’s plug and play
The amount of effort that you put out is crazy. Mad respect
Your dad has to be super proud of you !! Because you have one hell of a drive to get work done ! Keep up the awesome work! 👊
I haven't watched this guy in a wile hes really stepping his game up the stuff he's making takes alot of know how
Making a collet style tool to hold your custom rose joint spacers has to be the best thing I’ve seen today 👍 keep up the good work
I love watching your building motors 🥰🥰
I've seen mini rock buggies use the engine and transmission from front wheel drive cars. Everything from the little v-tec 4 bangers up to Pontiac grand prix GTPs with the factory Eaton supercharged 3.8Ls. Some where auto and some where manuals but they would sitt the engine and transmission in the custom 4x4 chassis so that one sides CV axle would act as a drive shaft for the front differential and the other sides CV axle would run to the rear axle. They would reuse any parts they could like the disc brakes and other parts. Not to mention if they picked the right engine and transmission combo they would have alot of aftermarket performance options to choose from. They made for some very interesting and rather potent buggies. Light weight mini buggy with a strong FWD car's drive train made for very few pounds per horse power to move. The power the weight ratio was everything for those mini buggies. Basically the same weight as a side by side when it came to the chassis but youd have the HP and low end TQ of a cars engine. The GTP supercharged 3.8L wasn't a slouch in a 3600+lb sedan. Just think of what it would do in a 2000lb or so 4x4 mini buggy chassis.
I just started watching your videos and man your good. I'm a retired machinist and really enjoy what you do. Thanks for making this videos.
This thing is already looking so good
Those front lower ball joints i make them by the thousand at my job lol i grind the housings to spec and then we fill them up with carbon fiber mixed nylon and we injected it in through the little hole in the housing it’s self. They are usually for Polaris sometimes artic cat Edit: i didn’t realized they said Polaris right in the cast lmao 😂 well now I’m 100% sure that i make them lol
Right there. Making a tool to hold the bushings on to trim them. I mentioned it before. That kid has what others take years to learn.
never mind the vehicle build (which is amazing, by the way) your fabrication skills and ability to problem solve ways to make things is incredible, loving your work, thanks for sharing. Paul , U.K.
Love the vids mate been watching for years just gets better and better every time this project is nuts
Amazing work!!
I really enjoy your projects. I have to say you can't truly be surprised that it took over a week to get parts, particularly given the state of things at the moment.
I love how most the measurements are bricks and blocks of wood. Keep the video’s coming brother such good content!
Very cool can’t wait to see you drive it
I think this rig is awsome. This however is the first of your builds that I can't seem to understand how you will ever possibly make it work. I have faith in you and am 100 percent sure you will overcome this obstacle. I just dont see how. Good luck Chris! Can't wait to see what you have in mind!
Love your builds always quality and well thought out.
Pro tip for you here, On Polaris McPherson struts the lower ball joint can be easily removed by using a grease gun you remove the three screws that hold the plate that holds the ball joint on and then you pump grease into the grease fitting and the hydraulic pressure pushes the ball joint right out!!!
You're doing an awesome job! Keep up the great work Chris!
Holy crap 40 minutes thank you kris keep up the awsome work.
This thing is looking sweet already!
Outstanding mission and idea!
Suspension won’t move without slip yoke drive shafts also pay mind to u-joint phasing. Always impressed with the videos. Good character sir.
The most brilliant man in the world, with a brilliant mind and one of creativity, you are doing an incredible job, keeping the job and good luck bro! ❤️
Love what you're doing, can't wait for more!!!
You are killing it, I look forward to every video. Keep it up!
If you ever need more heat than what a propane torch gets you, buy MAPP (yellow bottles). Not as hot as acetylene, but its hotter than propane. Just about most places that has those blue propane bottles, will have the yellow MAPP gas bottles.
Great job showing and telling, looking good keep on building. going to look great, so well see ya next time see ya bye.
11'' of ground clearance under the axle is very good for a solid axle. You can offset the whole drivetrain to one side to lower the center of gravity. Using extensible driveshafts you don't have to have a straight line to the diffs, they can be offset a little and it won't hurt your angles too much. But if you don't want a grave digger 454 type of rig you have to offset you and your drivetrain. Good work so far
The cat just wants to see the cool stuff you’re building!!
@charlesirby9222
2 жыл бұрын
Cats are so cool...curious about everything! I have a big black cat that came up out of the woods one day and adopted me...he wants to be in the middle of everything I do until I hit the air hose in the shop and then he thinks a monster just spit at him and he's gone in a flash...for about 10 minutes and 'Bigfoot' is right back in the shop.
@christophermorin9036
2 жыл бұрын
And MONCH on cords.
This machine will be just f-ing amazing I love watching and seeing just how you do everything I'm not going to lie but I'm jealous you are doing things I only wish I could do thank you and please keep marching on 👍👍👍👍👍
Had an 07 Sv650s, I put 140k miles on it without anything more than regular wear items, oil, filter, chain, sprockets, pads and tires. It was a flawless bike after upgrading the suspension to some TLR forks and a 636 rear shock. I think it had tighter gearing than the XR650l I traded it in for, if you just gear it down and add a F-W-R box it'll be fine for crawling. It's got plenty of grunt.
Lovin’ your videos! You are quite the craftsman. Keep up the great work and keep the videos coming!👍🏻
Your videos keep me sane
mad skills and ingenuity
Solid build so far. I’m routin’ for ya 🇨🇦
I love the longer videos they are great
Your work is always awesome 👍☮
Love this shaft driven design that's what I will build
Awesome Build .
This definitely looks like it's going to be one of the most fun projects you've made. I do have two points to touch on though. One, I feel like you're going to want better clearance in the rear, I think it's going to get hung up frequently, and that shouldn't be difficult considering the CV axles. Two, I think it would be better served with a Rekluse clutch rather than the cvt. Cool as that sounds, I'm confident you're going to run into engagement issues with the lower gears. As always though, I love what you're doing 🤘🤘 Edit: looks like my comment on the ground clearance issue was premature 😂🤦♂️
Great idea the Sv motor is great torch
Put the seat so the gearbox is under the arch of your knees. 👍
Love the build
Another big project Awesome, endless ideas, waiting to see.
Bro you are so underrated. Awesome build.
but man you are way talented my hat is off to you sir
So cool to watch ur videos creating ur knolege talent that the lord blessed u with, godbless u brother,
Yaaay another great video!
The only DIY videos I love see is from you
This ones gonna be epic.
Nice!
long awaited video
I've found that on things like this-- it's sometimes best to actually build little sub-frames--- so that when you want to drop something like the transfer case, and there's really no room--- then you make a small chunk of the frame drop out with it.
Chris, you can also do rear wheel steer using an electric motor with a 3 position switch. That's how we used to do it back in the day. And we'd use huge motors for it. This wouldn't require a very large electric motor, but you are correct...... It's not exactly a simple nor easy thing to accomplish.
cant wait to see where you go with the seat location id imagine closer to the transfer case to keep center of gravity in check.
Inspirational! Now I'm in trouble, I want to convert my CJ5 to 4-link...
Love this project.
Love this man keep it up
Love your videos man...you got real talent. I worry about the diff strength. Those little quad ones are a ticking time bomb in something so big. Can't wait to see the next episode.
Awesome WORK!!🙏💜☝️
i love this guys he is making my childhood dream come true 😍😍😍
Rear steer idea... Link bar steering in combination with a boat steering cable setup for both front and rear
That will make it easier for you or anyone to drive it with that type of setup.
Awesome build man, can't wait to see the rest. I'm sure you already know this but you should get a cnc plasma table. But great job. Thanks for the video.
Man, I cannot wait to see the next one!
That cat's gorgeous! Cars are awesome companions. Really loving all of your builds so far :) The combined manual/cvt transmission might be too parasitic on power though. But it's awesome to see people try new things👍🏼
This guy is amazing
'What do you use for frame prototyping?' 'Precision tools: Some small pieces of wood, several bricks, and a couple of old stumps.' 'Oh. Does it work?' 'Absofreakinglutely. Proof is in the cool toys.'
I’ve never seen anybody visiting you before,until I saw the Gentle man in the yellow T-shirt😅
You’re a beast man! Loving these videos.
Saya selalu menonton vidio mu bro. Saya sangat suka bisa jadi inspirasi. Good job bro.. semoga sukses.. saya dari Indonesia 👍👍👍
Chris you center the rear diff and the drive line to the trans will deal with any angle it needs to within reason so your cv axles are equal length
Bad ass skills and really nice shop setup simple but you’ve still got more than 90% of good fabricators I know.salute to you from Ohio I’m a fellow fab guy myself one day I hope I can get to your level tho your damn good man
Chris you should build cars and cameras a 2 speed trans for that crotch rocket build they got. Would be an epic collaboration
You can do it man.
Man you have the brains to do it rethink that brother
A build where you literally make everything, would be cool 😎
I appreciate the cat footage. I miss my cat too!
This is gonna be a fun project, keep it up. I can see that you like pets so it's sad to see that your cat is no longer with you, Rest in peace Chris's cat and sorry for your loss Chris 😢
That differential looks really strong
@bigdanholton
2 жыл бұрын
Any idea what the rear differential is called, or came from?
Cool sick love it
Not sure if u watch this dude but his channel is burning wrenches dude comes up with sweet ideas