The part of the video showing the train leaving the quarry is a good demonstration of Harmonic Rock the often occurs around 15~18mph depending on the length of the car and rails. The cars near the locomotives are stabilized by the strain on the couplers which dampens the rocking of the cars. But as you go back through the train, the strain is less and the rocking is more pronounced. But that last car with no cars behind to help dampen the rocking is left to rock as much as it wants, hence it's wild rocking.

Love the way it just cuts across the road at Westminster, MD . A few great shots of progress there. So often you don't get a full shot showing how many wagons are on, but you surely delivered. ( also good that we only get the true loco sound and not any stupid music that wouldn't do it justice anyway.😅👍

The last car doesn't only spill stones, the wheels are lifting-off from the (shitty) track when rocking. A derailment is a matter of time. Apart from this, the cars aren't loaded equally.

@spaceage1060

3 жыл бұрын

Yard track is usually bad, I wish rail companies changed that -_-

@scdevon

3 жыл бұрын

Why do so many trains seem to deliberately travel at the exact speed that harmonic rocking occurs? A 5mph increase or decrease in speed seems to eliminate the rocking, yet you see these trains frequently just loafing along rocking themselves almost off the rails for extended periods.

@danielrose1392

3 жыл бұрын

@@scdevon Assume all trains are the same, a train at line speed will have a certain harmonic and cause damage matching this harmonic. Any further train similar train at line speed also matches the harmonic.

@scdevon

3 жыл бұрын

@Dan C. Harmonic rocking causes derailments and rollovers in some cases. It's not as if you don't need to worry about it.

@lawrence18uk

3 жыл бұрын

@@scdevon I assume the harmonic rocking causes the track to dip in places which emphasise it even more. Especially when the rolling stock is identical every time.

In some countries "lifting a wheels flange above the height of the top of the rail" is part of the definition of a derailment.

@scdevon

3 жыл бұрын

This constant rocking is hard on equipment too especially the suspension and springs. These cars may have only rocked for a short time, but they rock all day on some other lines.

Great catch of the Maryland Midland GEEPS working hard pulling that HEFTY consist of Rock Cars! Have to say they're very lucky that last car didn't go over bcuz that could've been a domino effect for other cars! I like how it ran right through the town of Westminister! I'm a BIG FAN of "STREET RUNNING" as well as of the colors of those GEEPS! Thanks again for sharing your videos with us along with your time and effort CP!

Awesome job! Thank you for your time and effort chasing the stone train. It’s not often anyone shows a train from start to finish. This has got to be one of the best train uploads on KZread!! Thank you!

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

Stone train become a pain in the ass to chase after the sun sets

Alaska Railroad would never let us fill our cars that full.

Legend has it that last car is still dumping stones to this day.

It was a happy train. I saw it wagging it's tail. Shipper overloads every car to offset transportation costs.

This is the first time I saw any of your videos and I was amazed at the quality of your photography and all the beautiful scenery absolutely some of the best I've seen, just one video, and I have already subscribed. Thank You

best video I've seen in a long time! thank-you

Great video!!! Loved it, thanks for sharing

Absolute great work...True rail therapy

Very cool. Thanx for sharing!

Great to see some Carroll County railroading. Thanks for posting !

@AMPProductionsVideo

3 жыл бұрын

This was a great video!

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

Carroll county best county

Awesome sound and interesting service! Greetings!

2:57 Nobody: The clumsy one after the bar:

Great footage, really enjoyed watching - I Liked & Subscribed 👍😎

Fun video to watch, thanks. Subscribed.

Good job and good shots

cool video and scenery ...

This was really fun to watch a 3x!

I am new to the channel. Great stuff!

Thanks 🙏 for your video

Nice catch. I sometimes do some work at the Lehigh Cement plant and catch a couple of engines switching cement covered hoppers around down at the bottom of the hill, but this was nice to see some of the spots I drive by, but never get to catch them at. What you saw where the last car launched some stone was the 14 (and later 28) mph harmonic oscillation that sets up with jointed track and the spring rates of the cars. The fact the track was worse than average, and the cars were loaded I'd suspect well above their max fill level which further raises the center of gravity exacerbating the oscillation problem, you almost caught a wreck on film. If they had started their acceleration out of the quarry 2 engine lengths sooner, they'd have likely been on the ground.

@kleetus92

Жыл бұрын

@Ronald Lee Kuehne You know they changed the line into the plant now? It no longer runs through town, it goes out on the opposite side of the plant, up and over a huge hill down to the main on a new wye that was put in at a farm. I think that's why they have so much more power on the line, to make those moves possible.

Very good video!

Awesome video

thank you for detail video

Oh my! That was so exciting.

The rear axle, last wheel, got some air, about an inch, with those low joints (cross level defects). GOOD TRACK!! Good for 20mph!! LOL That's like knocking the head off a beer before it is taken to the table, but in this case before it rolls across the country.

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

This is an industrial lead. For many industries....this is FANTASTIC track.

Nice to see a couple of clean de-powered ‘45s. Too aggressive speed leaving the quarry and overloaded cars to boot. Great video!

@AMPProductionsVideo

3 жыл бұрын

I like these locomotives too

@bushranger51

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the driver could of crawled out of the quarry, he had to know about that poor track going in to pick up the train, so he should have made allowances for it, a couple of extra minutes at a slower speed may save a future derailment there.

Nice K3LA horn! Sounds exactly like Winchester Western's 576. I'm surprised that the crossing where the stone spilled didn't have the crossing bells working.

The orange plague. Love the 45’s though. Classic look. Those close quarters and tight clearances in town just make the place seem inviting to me.

Spill is at 3:00

OMG Did I see what I think I just saw ! ! ! I dont know if i'm going to be able to sleep at night anymore

I don't think it would have derailed but it sure was rocking.

Favorite crossing has to be Westminster, Maryland. What a unique crossing! The White and the brick building seems inches away from the train 🚆. It would be a great layout on a small model railroad layout, IMHO

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the western Maryland days Westminster was a big siding

Rockin' and Rollin' RR style. I like it and hey, spreadin' a little grit on an icy road ain't all bad. Hey, is the rockin' and rollin' due to the road bed or the hopper suspension or both? What say you? It does appear that that last hopper was a bit too overloaded.

Most all of the cars on this train are improperly loaded as not properly spread in the car. Hopefully they where not going to interchange. Quite a few even appear to be overweight. I see these type on the GNRR on a regular basis hauling marble.

Gravel train is rockin’ it to an old track.

The entire train was rockin ,talk about being over loaded wow !

@TheBeeMan1994

3 жыл бұрын

The rock was caused by the crappy track work right before the crossing, you can see there’s a few low joints in a row, with the way they are spaced (every 19.5 ft with 39 ft rail) 13 mph will cause what’s called harmonic rock, the cars aren’t overloaded just cause they are loaded over the top, as long as they aren’t over weight. The low joints right before the crossing caused the cars to harmonic rock across it, spilling the rock, not the fact they were loaded over the top. The shortline I work for we have ballast cars loaded up like that, never had spillage issues unless it was across really bad rail

I like the red brick building. Ancient architecture is soooo neat.

@tookitogo

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not ancient. “Ancient” means “extremely old”, which no building in USA is.

Welcome to the 4K gang!👌🏼

@kishascape

3 жыл бұрын

STFU nerd

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

@@kishascape STFU girl

You get a little good-bye toot. Nice!

Man, they sure do load those cars.

Wow, that was cool!

@6777Productions

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@GerardWassink

3 жыл бұрын

Cool? Or coal? ;-)

I was on the wrong side 😣 great editing job! ✔

@richmondrailfan8444

3 жыл бұрын

BRO YOU GOT VERIFIED LETS GO YESSIR

Awesome Video 🌱🌱🇮🇳🌱🌱

In Michael Angelis' voice: "Then there was trouble! The old truck wobbled and stone spilt everywhere!"

@sd90mac61

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Toby, where's your partner DIESEL, LOL👍

@aaronb7631

3 жыл бұрын

@@sd90mac61 Being bothered by the "troublesome trucks"!! LOL

I never realized how much travel a train car truck suspension actually has. They usually seem very stiff.

Classic example of harmonic rolling.

@spaceage1060

3 жыл бұрын

If there was a longer car at the end, do you think the effects would be mostly cancelled out?

@robertvertacnik9989

3 жыл бұрын

@@spaceage1060 Not if it was loaded as badly as the rest of the cars in the train.

One of the locomotives looks like a former SP locomotive

Did you notice he wasn't waving as he went by the first time?

I am getting sea sick watching this train!

Damn.. Those things are filled up too high.

Those cars were getting half an inch of air there at 2:55. Kinda dangerous

How did that rock car spilled it’s stone

Harmonic Rockin!

I know exactly where that keymar bridge is, I had no idea it was operational.

That train is awfully loud -- I mean, the screeching cars are louder than the diesel locomotive! Was that normal? Did the screeching come from the bearings, or were the flangs constantly hitting the rails? The way I've understood it, the flangs are only supposed to hit the rails at tighter "corners". Also, do trains over there constantly blare the horn? I live some 200 meters from tracks in Finland, and pretty much the only thing I hear is the diesel engine a couple of times per day. A train horn is heard maybe once a month. I think they only use it if there's someone or something on the tracks. Though, to be fair, the trains around here rarely carry stone, so I don't know how they would sound like under a really heavy load like that.

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

Trains are loud in maryland

So dull waiting for a derail ?

if you look closely, the last wheel of the last car, grabs a little air at the joint

Why do they blow the horn so many times? Those tracks at the first intersection need repair plus loading the cars so high the center of gravity becomes higher and more likely to derail and cause a turn over. Those hopper cars look like they have never seen any maintenance in 20 years.

The loader operator is at fault for overloading those cars

@aaronb7631

3 жыл бұрын

That, and the crew who needs to come by and fix the ballist!

@internazi

3 жыл бұрын

im of the opinion any run thru residential commercial would also include weight limits that keep the load well off every car i see here loaded is easily off a mark perscribed, some look like they are 10,000lbs in difference by the attempts to pile it on....gotta wonder what the feed operators were on

It’s like a whip😂😵

Nice

That was one of those self-leveling/load limiting cars. They rock back and forth like that to either level the load or to kick off extra weight. They were really popular back in.......NEVER!!!

I'd love to live in some of these places that are on the tracks. They are distributing the coal for Christmas stockings.

In the Netherlands it is not even allowed to load a wagon so full.

That train was geting its rocks off

Are you stalking that last car, sure seems to be.

Them SD40M-2 were painted in Lyons, Georgia on the Georgia Central.

@norbertdx

3 жыл бұрын

So the SD45's were downgraded to SD40? I guess that makes sense, they didn't need that kind of power on those rough tracks.

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

@@norbertdx yeah class 3 short lines normally don’t and considering the last track replacement was in 1999

Never seen that happen!

Little more sway in them springs

What is the location at 7:22 ? That would be a cool scene for a model diorama.

@8QUAU

3 жыл бұрын

Westminster Md. Liberty street or Ridge Rd and main Street. Looking across from parking lot at Sherwood square

@metalhead_modellerm4804

3 жыл бұрын

@@8QUAU Thanks!

Spilled stone = free ballast

Almost roller her over!

GP38's I have been to the Union Bridge yard

Looks like some of the rock could have spilled into the flangeway of the crossing.

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

most flangeways in these operations are always full of rock

A little over filled in the back half of the car.

Signals at New Windsor must've seen better days.

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

oh yes

The wheels of the last wagon never left the rails .it would have to tilt a lot farther than that before contact was lost and the rear wagons are loaded with quarry dust not stone

@whiteknightcat

3 жыл бұрын

Look again at full speed. The wheels of the second truck of the last car did lift off the near rail about an inch for a fraction of a second, showing daylight between the wheel and rail.

Nice chase but Genesee & Wyoming gets unfriendly pretty quick if people are filming while standing in the gauge, even if its a yard track.

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but Maryland Midland employees are cool

It was just pouring one out for the homies

The loader operator needs to learn how to balance a load

@fastcsx1412

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it’s as much as the load and more just the speed on that type of tracks

@aaronb7631

3 жыл бұрын

@@fastcsx1412 Someone needs to fix the ballast!

That is a lot of weight!

I wonder who loads their stone cars for them? It seems that a few choice words from their boss should get them to load the stone on the cars a little more safely. Oh well, maybe the management at the stone quarry doesn't care.

OMG, 😯😲😱😵that engineer needs to slow his ass down jus a bit, with those tracks a bit off level and off set overloaded cars, thats a receipe for disaster, my goodness, that was some scary shitt😱😵!!!! And of all places right at a crossing, that's jus bad, bad, BAD!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY YOU DONT STOP RIGHT IN FRONT OF A CROSSING, IVE SEEN TRAINS BOUNCE UP AND DOWN ON THE CROSSNS AS WELL, PRETTY SCARY STUFF I TELL YOU😭😭 THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME, great job.👍

Free Model railroad scenery material!

@ruffian2952

3 жыл бұрын

If you have a roofing shingle manufacturer nearby, the grit used on the shingles comes in all sorts of shades. I used some for ballast in a yard and along the line. Scenery next.

pog

That’s what’s known as careless overloading. The quarry can be slammed with a massive fine and the railroad can get slapped by a huge fine for not stopping the overload and and potentially causing a derailment due to continuing the trip with a severely overloaded train. In all of my years driving I have never seen a fellow engineer to have zero respect for his/her job.

Need to reset the ties

Very odd! I've never seen an SD40-2 in that configuration. Normally, SD40-2s have large decks at each end. Not so with 3451.

@trainzguy2472

3 жыл бұрын

These are former SD45 rebuilds, as evidenced by the flared radiators.

@trapperjohn2462

3 жыл бұрын

@@trainzguy2472 Makes sense. I was thinking they look more like SD 45s.

Did you get written permission to stand there?

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

no 😎

These cars look very old and tired; that surprises me as I thought trains were well kept.

@JsMisc

3 жыл бұрын

New cars are more expensive, that is why the MMID bought secondhand CSX cars.

@JsMisc

3 жыл бұрын

@@iandenton1406, I didn't understand that sentence but ok.

this horn looks like mrs, all, brado, vli, vll brazilian railway company

Omg

They need a slow order on that section of track until it can be repaired.

@kevineckert6073

3 жыл бұрын

It's on now 🤣

@old_bayrailfan5312

3 жыл бұрын

ok

MOW problem at the yard.

At 5:35 another foamer is standing in a switch. Very easy mistake to make that can get you killed messing around on railroad property. Stuff like that is why the railroads dislike buffs.