Enjoyed! Looking forward to see your full guide video.

Saboteur is one of my favorite ascendancies thanks to the triggerbots, there's just so much wacky rumpus to explore with them! I played CWDT Brand Recall Arcanist Brand Falling Zombie last league and had a blast trying to solve all the wild problems that presented, and Automation Support *instantly* got me hyped for this league specifically because it is a *trigger.* Fun note, not sure if widely known: triggerbots trigger Steelskin twice. You have to have Steelskin last long enough to notice, but when the first one's pool runs out, the second one is still there for the remainder of its duration with its own, fresh damage pool ready to take more damage.

This seems pretty painful to play, but I've got to give you kudos for this ingenius discovery. PoE truly is an incredible game. Stay sane, Exile!

@taiwanisacountry

12 күн бұрын

It truly is an incredible game. Corpse crafting is broken as all hell, it is lovely. Fractured influence mods and frcatuted haunted mods, and fractured special grasping mail mods, it can give so much random crap, but also so much incredible power, it is insane! And I love it.

Looking forward to your full guide! I league started something similar with armageddon brand of recall / brand recall and had planned to switch to RZoF but I couldn't sustain mana cost even with triple -7 mana cost to non-channeling skills.

First Thing on my Mind was Maligaro's Lens + Necro Aeagis or Rotting Legion Loricated Ringmail and full taken as conversion to elemental + CI. Gonna get some sleep now. Thanks for the great Video

@gui999

10 күн бұрын

Could make for a fun CWDT Heartbound loop build

Been a while, much love !

I have been looking for something like this forever.

That's awesome, you know your stuff sounded amazing and scientific ❤

finally, a good melee build

Very cool finding

Missed you bro :)

What a banger! I know what I'm rolling next.

Welcome back

You use of language is very precise and clear. Have you ever read anything about General-Semantics?

I played this exact build back in Affliction and it was extremly powerful back then. My guess is that it's still very powerful this league as well, but you'd have to sacrifice a bit more to handle the ludicrous mana cost of the build. Swap a gem for inspiration support or something. The 8s brand recall cooldown weapon trick + 4s brand recall automation is just a straight 50% more activation rate compared to what I played in the previous league for example. Might be worth having a look at my character from back then for some inspiration on how to build it (Check my latest video on this channel), albeit some parts of the Affliction version is a bit outdated with stuff like aura-minions and bloodnotch tech.

This league I’m using falling zombie but with cyclone + cast while channeling. It feels better to clear maps. And cast while channeling have around 3 spells a sec. So you don’t need to boost your cast speed and you can focus on your dmg/survivability stats

Seems interesting. Does falling zombie can proc the minion instability? I want to build around it so please let me know some tech to do that.

@Surgeon_General

16 күн бұрын

It *can* but it’s very difficult to get them to the Minion Instability threshold before they “expire” on attack. Their attacks do proc the explosions from Mon’tregul’s Grasp

@Hezexify

15 күн бұрын

​@@Surgeon_Generalthats sceptre is nerfed right? Last league it was 50% hp of zombie if i am not wrong ...

@jasonrouse8215

15 күн бұрын

@@Surgeon_General Maligaro's lense + the unique jewel that ups their block and increases damage minions take for each notable (forgot the name), and then replica Earendell's embrace? That would cause them to die just as/ before they hit the ground, right? Or has that been changed? Add in a Siegebreaker/ replica, and you have 'splosions and dot pools everywhere (though you lose cdr from the belt slot)? I feel like you're limited with skillpoints though, and I have no idea how to scale it even if you can barely make it function... this is why I'm just a casual noob

@_ByteBlaze_

14 күн бұрын

@@Hezexify No, the sceptre has remained untouched since 3.19, and in 3.19 it was actually double buffed. Before 3.19, it was 20% of enemy life, and 80 - 100% more physical damage. In 3.19 it was buffed to 50% of enemy life, and 100 - 125% more physical damage

Do we get immortality if we use this combine with the zombie fathers’s baron setup? Instant leech from falling minion as guardian.

Sick concept. What do you think are the vectors of scaling of this build?, minion attack increases/multipliers?

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Generic minion damage, minion crit, cast speed, and brand recall CDR.

Hey how much damage can you get one zombie slam to do? Wanted to dig deep into this type of build but the clunky and not so tanky play style is detering me from gearing up and trying it. Maybe if the build can reach 50 mil boss DPS?

Cool. build guide when?

@Surgeon_General

3 күн бұрын

Script is done, visuals are done, have to record and mix; hopefully 3 days or so.

Can this be a league starter? If so, how would you level it?

Perfect stress test for my cpu

What if you scale health and use the node that minions explode on death dealing 33 percent of max life ?

@therocklau

15 күн бұрын

That is an old question already has an answer, no zombie of falling does not trigger minion instability, because the zombie dies instantly on impact when MI requires minion life goes down and reach the 50% low life threshold.

Any chance this could be implemented as an additive version of Wardloop, on for example a trigger staff (if staves can even trigger?), using heartbound loop (idk if falling zombs count as minion deaths), and on Sabo for double triggers. Afaik Heartbound damage is each an instance, and they don't stack, so as long as you use Olroths + have at least the 350-420 ward, you could for example tank 200 instances of 350 damage? You'd only need Runic Gloves + Helmet to meet the criteria for the reduced ward part of Olroth's. I'd just like to know if it's feasible, I haven't played this league yet, but I'd be willing to try if I can make my stupid minion loop bomber idea a reality. I'd assume you need at least a 10 div budget to get this going tho?

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

I’m sure someone can make Triggerbot falling zombies work on wardloop with heartbound loop shenanigans, but I’m 99% sure you can’t use Arcanist Brand in the setup. I believe CWDT won’t support AB and without the brand setup, you can’t brand recall so you’ve lost a factor of 4 in the trigger chain.

@jasonrouse8215

15 күн бұрын

@@Surgeon_General That's why I mentioned the trigger staff, or is that still not possible? I've only done wardloop once, back when Searing/ Eater just came out, so idk honestly, but the usual was to run the Annihilating Light. I'm gonna have to play regardless, to see if there's a workaround. Does Soulwrest work with trigger bots? And honestly, thanks for the reply, it's greatly appreciated. Hope you have amazing RNG this league, God bless.

Last I tested in the league this gem was released, Minion Instability does not occur since the zombies immediately die, so there is no pop. They still count as minion death however, so the pertaining nodes and clusters still fully apply. Just a huge shame Instability cant be utilized since an autopop will be amazing

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, it’s possible (but quite difficult) to get the Falling Zombies to detonate in the time between when they’re summoned and when they attack, but there’s no way to get both the falling slam AND instability explosions

I realy like the gimic mechanics used, but the result effect... it works. Maybe with investment into AOE or some kind of explosions? It just feels clunky and slow.

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Biggest problem is that you're at the mercy of the Triggerbot AI. Once I can save for MB, I can craft rings with + minion movement speed suffixes which should help a lot Mon'tregul's Grasp has built-in explodes; you can start to feel it on denser maps. B-roll in the background was recorded with ~4div invested.

Is it not possible for it to be fully automated? It look painful to manual click...

that skill sounds like a fever dream lmao

How do you scale the damage? From the show-case, seems more like an interaction instead of a damage showcase, which is fine.

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Yeah, this was recorded with ~2-3div worth of gear (I had a 2.5week late league start due to IRL responsibilities). Scale the damage with generic minion damage (Elegant Hubris), minion crit (Fresh Meat Support, Assassin's Mark), Brand activation/recall rate (cast speed + brand recall CDR), and mine auras for single target (Icicle Mine of Sabotage + Stormblast Mine). On Mageblood plus a few dozen div you could probably get to ~50MDPS single target depending on your desired mix of offense/defense. It's not going to be the new meta, but it's funny.

how are you getting the wand to trigger brand recall more than every 8 sec you have it calc at around every 2.8 sec not 8 even with a MB i can't get 44 only 43

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

All of the brand recall CDR on the tree + masteries, levels and quality on Brand Recall gems, Ashes of the Stars quality to BR gem, Sabo CDR

will RZoF trigger the heartbound loop ring ?

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Yes, but you’d better have recovery and mitigation if you’re going to use it in this setup - 15k phys damage per second.

Is there no way to spam like make it rain against 1 target? Like is the current gameplay 1 click = 1 wave of zombies? That's gotta be painful gameplay

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Brand recall is on automation support so you really only have to click enough to keep brands refreshed. I just hold down the button and turn my brain off. It’s as much button pressing as a bow build.

Can u put up a act 1 to 10 passive tree set up?

@Surgeon_General

11 күн бұрын

Build will not work well for leveling; level with Armageddon Brand and switch after maps

Yup.. Arcanist brand + Brand recall + SRS with instability + triggerbots is great - but 20 minion limit sucks :/

its pretty much like arma brand

I recommends spectre and ag with cluster recover% life for each minion die recently make them immortal

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Yes, I’m using spectres + golem (AG would be better but I hate managing the equipment) and using the minion defense mastery for recover % life on minion death.

might wanna turn off the 5 minute map clear timer LOL

so its like 15-38 mln dps?

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

Current character on single target with overlaps and mines out is ~30M I had a late league start so currently saving for MB but the plan is to drop Haste for Pride once I have MB (for cast speed suffix / onslaught flask effect) and craft a much better weapon. Should be ~55-60M after that.

How about With unholy might XD

@Surgeon_General

15 күн бұрын

It would be good, but you can't use the Minion Offence Mastery to get it because thats an on-kill effect (and the minions die when they hit so there is no minion left to apply Unholy Might to). Only the version from Necromancer ascendancy would work, but then you can't use triggerbots.

add a Dialla with 4 green and 2 red, kbum sanctum build hahaha

It's kinda cute, but your effective trigger estimate is way off. First of all the trigger weapon mod is not independant, so spirit offering is blocking almost a third of your ideal maximum output. Secondly you aren't "using" any skill consistently enough when the weapon trigger cooldown ends to get even remotely close to full uptime.

@Surgeon_General

14 күн бұрын

I don't know why you have that impression; when Spirit Offering is on cooldown, it can't be triggered and won't block additional triggers of Brand Recall. The only time there would be blocking is when Spirit Offering AND Brand Recall are off cooldown at the same time. The cooldowns of the two skills are very long (2.4sec and 6.15sec) compared to the triggering skill cast time (Arcanist Brand, 0.37sec) so it's quite rare for that to occur. It's easy to verify this in game by putting the Spirit Offering and Brand Recall on your skill bar and watching the cooldown timer tick around. The ideal way to play the build is to spam Arcanist Brand on single targets, both to refresh brand duration and to trigger the recall. Worst case scenario, your trigger DPS loss is AB cast time / BR cooldown = 0.37/2.4 = 15%. This is 15% of the triggered Brand Recall damage too, which is only ~25% of the build's total damage. So yeah, trigger misalignment is losing me 3% DPS worst case scenario, but I wouldn't say that's "way off" I promise, I've done my homework.

@TheDiscoMole

14 күн бұрын

@@Surgeon_General your real triggercount being: 7 / 0.84 + 7 / 0.44 * 2 + 1 = 41 only while standing still casting is way off in my book

@Surgeon_General

14 күн бұрын

@@TheDiscoMole My brother in Christ, the math is RIGHT THERE on the screen. The equation you've written has the units messed up (you've landed on seconds in the numerator not the denominator) and you're missing factors of 2 from the triggerbots. It's a complicated interaction, it's ok to not get it at first but I'm not going to argue with you.

@TheDiscoMole

13 күн бұрын

@@Surgeon_General ayyyyy, ye im tarded lol. too bad the playstyle has become become shit since they removed cozy LMB recall triggering.