People typically confuse “ You’re not listening to me” with “You’re not agreeing with me”.

@GaymerMajor

4 жыл бұрын

"BECAUSE IF YOU LISTENED THEM YOU'D UNDERSTAND" and since no one can have different opinions on same subject as we ALL know you're not listening to that person

@b.lonewolf417

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, to me, *THAT* is the most infuriating part of all! It's such a cheap, B.S. thing to say

@cyansloth1763

4 жыл бұрын

UGH Absolutely Yes!!!!!

@spawnfanboy

4 жыл бұрын

Sadly this is both typical and true for most religious discussions that take place.

@bbhrdzaz

4 жыл бұрын

Rational argument is an art-form. Died out in the 70's. It went from a person of being of faith to absolutism, but without supporting evidence. The good book tells me so, and that's a fact, foundational reality. Everything you deal with in your life is predicated on your established foundation. When you make the argument towards them, it chips away at the foundation of their very existence. No wonder you get the vehement, defensive response. And here endeth the argument.

As an atheist, one of the most frustrating things christians lead with is "but the bible tells us that...". Somehow they can't get around the idea that some people don't see the bible as an authority.

@JP-JustSayin

Жыл бұрын

I know right ... like, that might work in arguments between different Christian sects ... but the only way that would work on non- believers would be if the words of the book ACTUALLY had supernatural power in and of themselves ... and that just falls flat, first time, every time.

@thatpandaz6094

Жыл бұрын

When I get in these sort of arguments I just ask for proof, they always refer to the bible as if the source material is written on the first page??

@kenjohnson5124

Жыл бұрын

Every position has an authority. Do atheists have a Bible to which they can point? There are 3 positions: Atheism, Theism, Pantheism.

@inf3243

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure I agree. Atheism doesn't have an authority - we have a current understanding of the universe. If there's ever evidence for a god, then we have no reason not to switch our stance and start believing. That's not authority, though. My point is fundamentalists can't point to the bible as an argument to try to convince a non-believer, because it's not enough to say "this is divinely-inspired so it must be true". We just see it as a book. There's lots of books out there.

@JP-JustSayin

Жыл бұрын

@@kenjohnson5124 I don't think there is a 3rd position. There are a multitude of god claims (and pantheism is one of them) ... and people are either theist or atheist toward each claim individually depending on if they are convinced of it or not. When someone is unconvinced by all God claims that they have been exposed to then we say generally that they are an atheist. But that could change if a new God claim were presented or if new evidence was found that made one claim more convincing than before. But I think it's incorrect to describe pantheism as a 3rd position. It's more like a specific kind of god claim that either convices people or not.

When I went to church with my family as a kid, I thought we were just respecting the culture and our ancestors beliefs, not that it was something adult people believed in.

@voidseeker4394

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Isn't it weird that our civilisation launches missions in interplanetary space, yet many people are seriously convinced that world works like in that ancient fantasy book.

@Bravo-Tango-7274

Жыл бұрын

@@voidseeker4394 yes. Tho i do understand that it brings comfort to people. I've also heard about an atheist who converted back to Islam, and he said he was much happier afterwards.

@voidseeker4394

Жыл бұрын

@@Bravo-Tango-7274 yes, i understand that. And that understanding made me stop trying to actively spread atheism and trying to "enlighten" people. I live in a post-sovied country, and therefore witnessed the interesting phenomenon when atheism was forced on people that mostly had religious way of thinking. Spoiler: nothing good happened. People continued to think and behave in religious paradigma, and performed religious rithuals, but instead of church there was party. And that's it. Everything else remained pretty much the same. To really become an atheist, person should obtain certain way of thinking, and that only can happen naturally.

@arrigune

Жыл бұрын

@@voidseeker4394 Very interesting.

@voidseeker4394

Жыл бұрын

@@arrigune indeed. "Atheistic cult" may sound like an oxymoron, but it actually happened in quite a large scale. People in the USSR treated party leaders as prophets, worshipped their pictures as icons... That kind of stuff.

I love the "deep down you believe" argument. Heard it a few times. I just respond with "What if deep down you don't believe in God, and you're just denying it" That one makes them actually think.

@BunniRabbi

11 ай бұрын

There is a tendency to try to understand anyone by using yourself as a model to start from, and that inclines us to the error where we assume they are working from the same premises, and that inclines us to try to fall back on the same premises we already have. It can be hard to accept that other people really, truly, deeply, see the world differently.

@paulnash6944

9 ай бұрын

As a Christian myself, I don’t understand that argument either. Plus, I’m not sure how that’s meant to convert anyone.

@farttart597

7 ай бұрын

@@paulnash6944 yeah for real!

@Qubecumber

2 ай бұрын

​@@paulnash6944The point isn't that it's a good argument, just that by reversing the question you can point out to them how ridiculous it is to ask that

@seand.g423

29 күн бұрын

No, it makes them Blue Screen. Close as they're ever gonna get, but not the same thing.

I had a friend who was a devoted Christian. When I told her I'm an atheist, she bombarded me with Christian messages, and when I asked her to stop, she told me she was determined to convert me. She called me her project. I haven't spoken to her since.

@patoconzapatos

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's sucks.

@johnnycanamaso9361

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. I had a Christian friend who passive aggressively tried to convert me. At first, I called myself an atheist, though really I was agnostic, which I still am, yet she thought I was confused.

@Mikezzz749

3 жыл бұрын

Well, in a sense the Christian thinks they're doing you an eternal favor. And so I do think these conversations are important and should happen. What I'm guessing is that your friend didn't do a lot of listening, and didn't respect your choice or perspective. I'm a Christian, and I actually enjoy talking to atheists. It usually means I might learn something, or hear about some experiences that I can relate with. Even if you're not a brother or sister in Christ, we're all part of the same human family. I'm sorry your friend didn't act like a real friend to you.

@Hoganply

3 жыл бұрын

Others' minds are pursuaded often by far different things than those which pursuade your own. Given the right circumstances, it's difficult for anyone to even conceive of others not finding something compelling in the same way they do.

@fishjj76

3 жыл бұрын

I can relate. I ended a friendship for a similar reason. I made one offhand comment in an e-mail that triggered their missionary gene and I was bombarded with questions, reading material and spam links. We've never spoken since but I'm OK with that. Friendships require mutual respect.

"It’s a strange myth that atheists have nothing to live for. It’s the opposite. We have nothing to die for. We have everything to live for." ~ Ricky Gervais

@Ch1oe2472

4 жыл бұрын

@Marilyn Newman Yes, I've watched that special multiple times.

@bernardocarneiro1982

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's a really clever quote too. Because think about it,what does EVERY religious dumbass is always saying,and basing their entire life on? "Oh,when I die,I will go to heaven. When I die,everything will be alright. I do everything I do in this life just so I can be happy....after I die" but we(or atleast I) as an atheist,always think "bro, there's no way to know what happens aftet death,so you can bet your ass Im going to enjoy this life while I can"

@stephenglasse9756

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a strawman argument on Ricky's part. I've never heard/read a theist claim atheists have nothing to live for. In fact apologists like Ravi Zacharias will often quote atheists like Huxley saying they wanted their worldview to be true cos 'it freed him to his political and erotic desires'

@stephenglasse9756

4 жыл бұрын

@Richard Ball Carlin is entitled to express an opinion as is Gervais. However your incorrect in claiming it's a quote not an argument since when Gervais said it he wasn't quoting but arguing and I explicitly said Gervais s argument! And his argument is a strawman. Everyone knows atheists have got things to live for but nothing to die for..... but they will die...

@Lerian_V

4 жыл бұрын

@Richard Ball Are you admitting insanity since every human is religious?

My family of 4 used to be Christians, then my two sons broke away, becoming Athiests. We had many calm and interesting discussions, lots of questions, no emotions. We are now a family of 4 Athiests. It was like someone cleared the fog.

@namenotfound2456

Жыл бұрын

Can I post this on r/chaoticallygood?😂

@ronkka9710

3 ай бұрын

It's sad

@sean_miller

Ай бұрын

@@ronkka9710 Sometimes the truth is sad.

@SirGreenVine

Ай бұрын

​@@sean_miller And there are times when the truth, being sad, brings clarity and joy in the end.

@sean_miller

Ай бұрын

@@SirGreenVine I can see what you're saying, but I'm not there yet. haha.

I spent 14 years in fundamentalist Christian communities as a born-again person. I love this video for its clarity and empathic understanding of compassionate interaction. So often, evangelism becomes ego-vangelism, and the dialogue degenerates into posturing, oneupmanship, and "gotcha" moments rather than sincere active listening. Well done, Drew.

@witchofredwoods8963

Жыл бұрын

Ego-vangelism ought to be a word. Though I personally like ego-gelism (same syllable count). But that's irrelevant. Seriously, Christian evangelists ought to watch Drew's videos. They'd be so much better at their jobs if they did.

@CPegRun

Жыл бұрын

I hope you don’t mind, I screenshot your comment as I think it’s the best response I can give to my family member who’s working and praying (preying) on me to become Christian like her. Thank you!!

@VindensSaga

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Some people who tries to convert people are not doing it out of love but out of ego. Having the idea that you can charm people or make them think what you want is an ego boast.

@greyone40

Жыл бұрын

ego vangelism is nice concise term.

@BlacksmithTWD

Жыл бұрын

That's just human nature, not merely found in fundamentally Christian communities but in any community that is large enough.

"Do you believe Batman exists?" "No" "That means you worship The Joker!" "... that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."

@ahmadbelial9778

4 жыл бұрын

I'd worship the Joker

@ziul123

4 жыл бұрын

@@__Luke__ except that many people have heard this exact argument made to their face

@david82633

4 жыл бұрын

@@__Luke__ calling atheists satan worshippers are very similar to the argument above. Not all theists use this argument, you probably don't use it. The example above isn't at all trying to disprove God or saying that all theists are stupid. It simply shows that that particular argument is flawed

@moisedieucaryoteescholecte8439

4 жыл бұрын

@@__Luke__ Or maybe he didn't. He talked from the perspective of an atheist being argued by theist, but he did said that it also applied to atheists arguing with theists. Trying to blame all atheists or theists or any other group sharing a common worldview for the way some of them advocate it is ultimately pointless and counterproductive and can only lead to conflict rather than peaceful dialogue. You never talk to the theists or the atheists, you can only talk to a theist or an atheists, and all of them think differently.

@christian53050

4 жыл бұрын

@@__Luke__ My experience is that atheists in general are very interested in the specifics of what theists think/believe, that is was has driven them to rejecting certain ideas/beliefs. A very large number of atheists have read the bible and other religious text and are often surprisingly knowledgeable, because they are interested. In my experience we can not say the same about theist and their view of non-theists...among the lines of: "you believe no god(s) exist"...nooo. "science is your religion"...noooo.

Le troll: 1. Watch tutorial on converting atheists 2. Approach atheist 3. Listen to atheist 4. ... become atheist Well that backfired.

@HeavyMetalMouse

3 жыл бұрын

That is, ultimately, the 'danger' of intellectual honesty - in order to convince someone else of something you believe, you have to engage with their position, understand why and how they believe what they do, and also why and how you believe what you yourself do; this places you in a position of vulnerability. You can't just fake-listen, or fake-understand to get to the 'good part' of sharing your 'truth', you have to actually engage... and when you do that, you might realize their position makes more sense than you thought it did; maybe even more sense than your own. When I was in the Church as a youth, they specifically told us *not* to engage with people of other faiths or with atheists, precisely because understanding their position could 'damage our faith'. From discussions with other people in the Church, this seems to be a fairly common teaching, despite being exactly contradictory to the simultaneous command to Spread The Gospel. The implication was "Not you, not yet; wait until you're made ready" i.e. that you're so bought in that your faith is 'incorruptible' by any outside information.

@dougsxoom616

2 жыл бұрын

I once had a Jehovah's Witness knock on my door, and frankly I love to mess with them. On this occasion it was a kid, barely 18, and he was on his own. Normally I'll invite them in for a Black Mass, or I used to keep a home made flyer titled "Satanism Weekly" that I'd trade for their Watchtower magazine. On this occasion, I decided to spend some time talking to the lad as I wasn't busy.... JW: Do you have time to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Jesus. Me: Sure, what would you like to know about him? Ask away. JW: Erm... And it went downhill from there for him as I'd counter point his Bible study quotes with another quote from the Bible that contradicted him. Or if clarify or question a context to change a meaning if it was ambiguous. This went on for nearly 10 minutes. Turns out, he wasn't alone, and there was another JW knocking on doors elsewhere. An older guy, late 30s, early 40s, and he came over to speak as well. He must have been so proud as his young charge was clearly getting through to me. Anyway, he walks up, doesn't say a word, listens and smiles proudly, until he here's one of my counter points. His smile drops, he sees this look of doubt washing over the poor kids face, and quickly he grabs his elbow and as he starts to lead him away is hurriedly saying "well, we have other people to see". The last I saw of them was a limp wave from the second guy as I shouted after them "wait, I've got more to teach you... Come back any time though". Never had a knock on my door again though. I saw them knocking at the neighbour's house a couple of times. But never mine. I think I might have got myself blacklisted.

@impockets

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeavyMetalMouse let me guess. mormon

@griffincrump5077

2 жыл бұрын

@@dougsxoom616 impressive

@the_minecraft_destroyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@dougsxoom616 my great grandmother used to get a kick out of inviting in and praying for the souls of Jehovah's witnesses until they got so uncomfortable that they left. I'm honestly disappointed that I've never beed visited (currently live in her old house)

Usually my stance on belief never comes up in conversation, but when it does I usually get around to asking the religious person, "Do you think you would have the same beliefs that you have now if you had been born somewhere else in the world, raised by different parents with a different belief?" After the short circuit happens, that usually ends the conversation.

@maxwellcorbin4764

Жыл бұрын

@@alpacawren259 To pre-clarify, I'm atheist. This is a question I've thought about myself growing up without even hearing it from anyone else. Not to be rude or to call you a liar or anything (because I know you likely fully believe this), but frankly speaking, you can think that you'd still believe Jesus is/was the one true messiah or whatever you believe in, but if you were born in Afghanistan or North Korea for example, the possibility that "Jesus" would have any impact on your life whatsoever is very slim to say the least. Whatever god you may believe in, in such a scenario, may have just as much of an impact on that life as Jesus does in your current, but it would be the same thing just a different name and a different religion. To answer the question of if this same thing were applied to an atheist, the answer is the same. In a country where people are even more brainwashed from birth to believe in whatever god the country decided to have, I would be whatever religion I were taught to believe, because that would be my truth and in many cases, there is no choice. Luckily in the U.S and other countries there is more freedom of choice to even have the thought of believing in anything other than the normal. That said, I very much believe that one's experiences in life dictate what they believe in. Even in the same country, if you are born to a different family (even of the same religion), your experiences will be so different that your thoughts on a certain topic can change drastically. So, respectfully, I ask out of curiosity, do you believe people are born with a set belief system that external factors have no control over? If yes, the population/religion ratios of countries seem to argue this point alone. If no, do you believe you are special in some way and would be born in such a way regardless? Again, I know when arguing such points it can sound condescending or as if I'm trying to get one over on you so to speak, but I am sincerely just interested in your thought process and will respect whatever beliefs make you happy.

@just1luckyguy229

Жыл бұрын

@@maxwellcorbin4764 as a fellow atheist, i think i disagree with you. No matter where i would be born, i would not follow state religion, just because thats how i am. In my view, fate is a personal trait, every one has it to some capacity, some just lack it (us). I, from a very young age, never believed in santa, or "the angel" who brought the presents. The bible newer was more to me than a book (one with very rich meaning tho). Im an explorer at heart, i feel a need to look behind things, items, ideas, workings, i get bored of the known and yearn for more. The simple answer of god does not satisfy me. Science came easy for me, and i always had a love for biology On the other hand, someone with higher fate would be the opposite. No matter where (like the previous commenter), they would always choose to believe (i think in the regions god, but i agree to disagree on that), because they simpli have a need for it in their life.

@bodymuezik

Жыл бұрын

Although I am following a different religion from the one I was born into, I do think it's possible that if I were born to another family in another society I could be following a different religion, and I have my doubts about other theists who say that they'd definitely be following the same religion regardless of life circumstances. However, this is fine, because people don't go to hell or get punished in any way, and aren't inherently inferior or bad, because of not following my religion.

@bruhmoment341

Жыл бұрын

@@just1luckyguy229you wouldn’t even be the same person, it’s just a hypothetical if you were there, and had no memory of this life, would you? No it’s impossible. Because your values are based on the way you grew up and experienced life.

@just1luckyguy229

Жыл бұрын

@@bruhmoment341 i understand, and youre probably right, but i think my inability to believe stands from a deeper root than my upbringing, or life experience. So in a hypothetical, i will stick with that answer, because thats what i know i can think of myself doing. If i were in a more direct religion, like islam, i could be pressured into it socially, sure, but to truly believe, i dont think i would. Its also just my opinion about myself, so i agree to disagree

It's so strange for me that you had to "come out" as an atheist. I grew up in a semi-religious family and when I realized there was no evidence for a god, I didn't have to tell anybody. Parents were kinda already there. My grandfather, a Lutheran minister, used to say, "Give your children religion, it will give them something to rebel against other than their parents." Brilliant ;-) ~Trav

@thatpandaz6094

Жыл бұрын

Shit, I must remember to fake religion when I get kids!

@dantheman9795

Жыл бұрын

Lol same my parents did religion in a very mid low way so when I said that was atheist they were like ok.

@anggungunara

Жыл бұрын

It's so strange that you think it's strange. You must have had some ideas how different families are from each other and how religions are the main tool for authorities in many families in this large and colorful world.

@daddybandit4431

Жыл бұрын

Just because you don't look for evidence doesn't mean there isn't any. I'd say the biggest piece would be Jesus. If you haven't looked into him and his exploits. I'd highly recommend starting there. Tens of thousands don't just drop their livelihoods and families at the risk of torture and death unless the guy is really up to snuff.

@bmprimer7809

Жыл бұрын

@@daddybandit4431 your logic that "Well millions of people do this at the risk of themselves so that must mean its right" is a stupid one, because you could say the exact same thing about literally any other religion. like dude, judaism has several holidays dedicated to failed attempts to kill them. there are people in every religion that are willing to kill themselves for said religion. nothing special about jesus in that regard.

Wait... you have to come out as atheist? I just one day learned what the word atheist meant and I'm like "yeah, that's me" and went about my life.

@theyoutubeanalyst3731

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, that's ideal, but if you previously were super religious and then go "fuck, all my family and friends are religious", yeah, you might need to come out in order to explain why you aren't attending church and other stuff. And yes, it can suck, a lot.

@Bonoboorg

3 жыл бұрын

Y’all have to come out as atheist? Tf

@amberbydreamsart5467

2 жыл бұрын

I mean my dad took me not being christian anymore about 10x harder than he took me being gay so... like man, i wish it wasn't like that but boy do people in some parts of the usa assume christian until proven nonchristian

@SreedharPrabhu

2 жыл бұрын

I was born into an extremely Hindu family that was hell bent on traditions and rituals and all that BS. Ironically that made me more of an atheist than I already was. I need to hide it everyday and do the rituals that I am forced to do and am scared to say otherwise. I know for a fact that my brother also is an atheist as when I talk to him on such topics, he demands I lower my voice as I may get caught. He also tries to avoid rituals as much as possible. I don't know whether I should come out, as my ENTIRE family is obsessed with the idea of God.

@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos

2 жыл бұрын

Not only is "coming out" as atheist a thing, but from then on you have to keep it a personal matter to avoid judgement in the workplace and public spheres.

Doing manual labor at customer's houses I often get the old "you are so nice you must be Christian" ... apparently you can't be nice if you aren't Christian.

@newmeta2668

2 жыл бұрын

Christians tend to think atheists worship satan and are sadistic and have no morals 🤷‍♂️

@kevinquiroz5384

2 жыл бұрын

@@newmeta2668 A: Look at that jar! B: Yeah it has coins! A: Do you think there is an even number of coins? B: I dunno. A: An odd number then? B: *what*

@lancelotwhitford6516

2 жыл бұрын

I feel this. I used to work in a soup kitchen that was held in a church for fun and when one of the ladies there asked me about which church I go to and I admitted I’m pagan she scolded me for being “immoral” like wtf

@chillkenshin9964

2 жыл бұрын

@@newmeta2668 not all

@Anonymous-md2qp

2 жыл бұрын

It has always been the opposite for me. If someone is religious then I associate them with being highly judgmental and full of hate.

This isn’t only about atheism. What he basically says is, listening is the best way to understand and accept each other. Period.

@BorchikYes

11 ай бұрын

Facts

@alastairtivy-harris8129

4 ай бұрын

I was going to make this same comment, but you beat me to it. Well said!

i have a christian friend. i refer to them as a friend because they're not constantly forcing religion down my throat, and in turn i don't force my atheism down *their* throat. we're both aware of each other's beliefs, and quietly disagree. that is what we call a healthy friendship

@NotNochos

Жыл бұрын

Same. I’m an atheist and have a very, *very* good friend I’ve known since infancy who is a Christian and we both know each’s beliefs. Still a great friend.

@calibcarmichael6356

Жыл бұрын

I'm proud some people can be healthy with there beliefs and don't just put themselves in an echo chamber

@nathanfish1998

Жыл бұрын

@@calibcarmichael6356 unfortunately that friendship ended about a month ago when she started acting rude to my new girlfriend, and then me, and then started talking about her trying to troll us to our friends, who very quickly informed me about the situation. Though that "friend" ended up being toxic in the end, my point still holds firm, as my girlfriend is also Christian

@calibcarmichael6356

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanfish1998 well that absolutely sucks, I wish you better friends and better health

@nathanfish1998

Жыл бұрын

@@calibcarmichael6356 well hey, it could be worse. besides, friends come and go. i've had many friendships fall apart over the years due to similar things, but compared to other times, this situation was minor at worst. in fact, this only reinforced the relationships i already had, as rather than joining in on her vicious attempt to harm me, they protected me without a second thought. that's true friendship. Anyway, thanks for the well-wishes. hopefully these friendships i have now are long-lasting

I had read somewhere An atheist was asked "What book did you read that made you an atheist?" He replied, "The Bible"

@christiansargent6053

2 жыл бұрын

One religion made someone throw out the idea of theism?

@emiliagretzes7488

2 жыл бұрын

The bible is, in fact, the very cure to theism. Times change, and the bible is, shamefully, way too old to accomodate to today's standards, I think

@Lordpeyre

2 жыл бұрын

I read the Bible several years ago, start to finish. I was slightly nervous about it, thinking it might make me think Christianity makes more sense (no one likes challenges to their way of thinking), but it was so much the other way around! I was telling my brother about some of the biblical stories, such as Lot having drunken sex with his daughters, and kept saying "I am not making this sh*t up!"

@christiansargent6053

2 жыл бұрын

@@emiliagretzes7488 how is the Bible the cure to theism when theism is an extremely broad belief that ranges way beyond Christianity

@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998

2 жыл бұрын

My case, precisely ^^

Ironically, trying to listen and understand how atheists think is what led to me becoming an atheist.

@davewatson9507

2 жыл бұрын

You mean went back to being an atheist don't you? Everyone is born an atheist. yes?

@jacksonsmith2955

2 жыл бұрын

@@davewatson9507 You would benefit from watching GMS' video on 4 things athiests should stop saying ;)

@janusgreenway5137

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewChenault sure,keep thinking that whatever path you took is the almighty correct choice. I bet you'd be complaining if an atheist acted as Mucho confident as you though.

@MatthewChenault

2 жыл бұрын

@@janusgreenway5137, okay. Atheism is still cringe.

@janusgreenway5137

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewChenault ok. Religion is just as cringe though.

As an apostate myself, I have actually talked to a few christians. Every try to convert me, I answer the same thing every time. "If you want to believe in God, that's fine. The psychological benefits are great. But if you want *me* to believe in God, give me concrete, undeniable, empirical evidence, and maybe I'll believe you." Put short, "God can have me when he *earns* me"

@QuadHealer

Жыл бұрын

It is difficult to make them understand that you do not believe in a judgmental God that will burn souls in hell forever if you disobey the rules of their religion. You will never see any undeniable evidence of a God entity while here unless you experience an NDE; and even that can be written off as chemical reactions in a dying brain (well at least until you or someone you know are able to recount things that transpire while they have no brain activity and come back to talk about it - as some have). However, such accounts merely reaffirm that religion is only something we have here. The problem with too ridged physical beliefs is, that there is a tendency to believe our consciousness and memories reside in the brain, while there is no proof of this - it is assumed to be true “because it has to be”. The problem arises when doctors cannot grasp that there could be a world outside the physical one, that they commit people to mental hospitals if they claim they have had an NDE or hear voices, as there is "no way" it does not originate from inside a sick brain. Sure, there might be legit mental cases, but not all. That is when too ridged scientific beliefs become worse than religious ones (well at least in modern times - as the crusades are over 😊). I realize that you do not agree, and that is fine. Have a wonderful year!

@gustavakerman2566

Жыл бұрын

@@QuadHealer Yes, I know I wont be able to get evidence. What I am trying to say is that I always keep an open mind, because if, against all odds, God himself shows up, and proves his own existence, I will of course accept that new evidence. So is it with everything. I don’t “believe” anything, I only accept ideas when substantiated with evidence. When I say “God can have me when he earns me” I mostly mean that the covenant in christianity is a mutual relationship with God, and I have spent years in faith, before realising against all denial that no matter how I prayed, nobody answered. If one part in a relationship puts in all the effort, while the other part only threatens, gaslights, and takes advantage of the other, we call that an abusive relationship. Where one part is drastically more powerful than another, we call that slavery, or indentured servitude. If God does exist against all odds, I have a few hundred questions for him, but most of science disproves a tri-omni-god through the many dangerous, imperfect, and outright sadistic creatures that exist. I’m with Stephen Fry on this one. Oh, and have a nice 2023.

@umangsheel7819

Жыл бұрын

@@gustavakerman2566 You're awesome

@QuadHealer

Жыл бұрын

​@@gustavakerman2566 There is no doubt, that the sadistic Christian God does not exist - that would be an abusive relationship as you say. I don't know why I suddenly felt the need to write, but I did and you can read it if it has any interest. As far are I can tell there isn’t even a judgmental God. After our physical life, most NDE accounts tell of a life review where all the actions people have taken during their life so far are shown to them, and they feel the effects it had on others greatly amplified (good and bad). The only one labeling it as “good” or “bad” is the person having the life review. The presence there (call it God if you will) radiates love of such a magnitude that most do not want to return to Earth, but they are told it is not their time (otherwise it would not be a “near” death experience). It seems we are eternal beings, fragments of God if you like, that are curious. So curious, that we start to wonder what it is like not knowing everything, or what it is to feel a lack of love. What does it mean to feel fear or have a body and taste pizza and drinks? We are not here to suffer as such but to experience the full range of experiences possible here. These things can only be experienced with no memory of what we are and why we are here (we would not buy into this reality otherwise). Scientists and others are starting to wonder if this world is a simulation, and it is. It is like a VR game where souls for a brief time can have experiences not possible elsewhere. Science and religion have always fought between Evolution and Creationism, and could never agree, while the truth is a combination of the two. We know that no permanent damage will come to us while we are here (only our physical body dies). There are only so many souls that can get a body at a time, so it is considered a precious gift. The gift of experiences must be planned to not waste life; hence we all make a rough life plan in collaboration with a group of others before birth: who our parents are going to be, what they will teach us, who we will meet, who we will have as friends/partners, and what experiences you are meant to have, etc. It may seem psychotic from a human point of view that souls would volunteer to have e.g., an accident and see if we can recover from it emotionally, but it is like we watch horror movies: we know we will not get harmed and watch it for the excitement and experience. If you live forever, then a human lifetime is but a blink of an eye. There are helpers that follow us our whole lives to ensure we stick to the plan, and if we don’t, they will nudge us to get back on track. We are like a Netflix actor not knowing the script and not realizing there is a script. The helpers are not allowed to reveal themselves, as that would break the illusion and our free will. One could argue that since everything is planned, there are limits as to how free that free will is, but we are allowed to go off-script. The meaning of life is to experience it all - including just sitting on a couch all life, but if that isn’t the plan, we will be nudged in another direction. As for prayers, I believe it is important to know we are not victims but chose this experience. Since we don’t know what the plan is on a conscious level, then it is important to ask for help if one feels stuck or uncertain (the helpers are there to help if allowed and it doesn’t interfere with the plan). Things will be set in motion in such indirect ways that it will be impossible to see, that this was a result of you asking for help (unless the plan is to experience being stuck). Oh, boy I’m rambling on, and you didn't ask for such information - I just felt like writing as mentioned. Perhaps I make a KZread video where I present what I believe, but also more importantly, why I believe it, as “I read it in an old book” or “Someone told me” are not valid reasons for me as an Engineer and previous Atheist. NDEs are not the only source - it began with experiencing undeniable evidence of ghosts, which blew my Atheist mind that thought everything was physical 🙂. On a closing note, I just wanted to mention that most NDE experiences are influenced by people’s beliefs, so if they are Christians they will experience something that fits with their religion (but not always), but people are shown what they need to see to continue the plan (if they want to continue), but most report being able to remember that they understood everything, but it was forgotten when they got back.

@gustavakerman2566

Жыл бұрын

@@QuadHealer Wow. I did not understand a single word of what you just said. TL:DR?

As a (non practising) hindu, I appreciate my religion permitting me to practically be atheist, without missing out on the religious festivities hinduism has to offer

@jordanbelfort4196

10 ай бұрын

same i am an atheist hindu.but I never find Hinduism causing trouble as much as islam or Christianity causes.instead many hindu practising friends say me that unless you are doing something bad or doing nothing, God is with you,even if you don't believe in him or worship him same with Sikhism or Buddhism. Only trouble I feel when my family start to talk about unpleasant god and spending too much on pandits or something due to faith.

@Azure9577

10 ай бұрын

And this is why i love my religion (hindu) Our god's just say, "yeah i don't care much, do whatever you want lmao"

@leok_is_here9681

8 ай бұрын

​@@Azure9577just dont do bad bro and all good👍

@pane0_018

24 күн бұрын

​@@leok_is_here9681 Even if you do bad you will be punished appropriately atleast not an eternity in hell, Which is pretty great.

Me:”I’m an atheist” Religious relative:”but you were baptized and confirmed, how can you be an atheist?” I was baptized as a baby and confirmed at 12, who doesn’t change their mind from when they were a literal child?

@user-jp7tw3sd3x

4 жыл бұрын

Too late. You've already signed a contract for your soul. Enjoy your eternity in Heaven with all the religious people. ;)

@ryavix

4 жыл бұрын

This is why we have "age of consent" laws.

@Lerian_V

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryavix Consent to do what?

@camelopardalis84

4 жыл бұрын

I am not confirmed because my brother messed properly reacting to a phone call and because after that I was too embarrassed to fix it.

@Declan-pg8cg

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lerian_V The consent of grown adults to refuse, or engage, in superstitious belief systems unfortunately imposed on the majority of them from birth. A childs mind isn't sufficiently mature enough to make a valid decision regarding that nonsense being imposed upon them.

“People say they love truth, but in reality they want to believe that which they love is true.” -Robert J. Ringer

@dragon-ed1hz

3 жыл бұрын

"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." --Paul Simon

@bradholcomb3652

3 жыл бұрын

Very true. We strive for our own truth and disregard other truths that fail to align with our own. Much of modern Science filters all of reality through its narrow lens and discredits all other aspects of reality. Science is sufficient for what it can accomplish but it should not be used to answer the parts of reality that it can’t account for.

@dragon-ed1hz

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradholcomb3652 Wrong. That is the purpose of science: To answer the parts of reality that it can't account for--yet, just as it always has since the scientific method was developed.

@bradholcomb3652

3 жыл бұрын

Science only measures what it can calculate. There are many things about reality that cannot be calculated. Science cannot account for the meaning of life. Only how to measure life’s unfolding.

@bradholcomb3652

3 жыл бұрын

Also, I’m willing to be wrong. Truth is greater than my small perspective and I try to expand my small horizon as much as I can.

I'm guessing I'm not the only person who often hears "why are you so angry" a lot of the times when I argue with someone (about anything, not only religion). Somehow disagreements have become a sign of anger. I love arguments and debates.. I'm not angry, I am excited to have a conversation.

@BunniRabbi

11 ай бұрын

I try to point out that the anger people associate with atheists is usually really just anger over the actions of theists.

@InsertNameHere911

11 ай бұрын

There’s no other way to put this… same.

I used to keep four different Bibles on my book shelf. The oldest dating back to 1895. When they try to convert me I ask specific questions they don’t like, but also point to major inconsistencies between the different versions. I ask them to examine my questions and come back with a valid answer. Often they claim I needed God in my life when I grew up, but I can tell them that I went to Sunday School and my maternal grandmother was a major in the Salvation Army. I often know more about God and the Bible than they do.

@NoSoupForYouu

Жыл бұрын

no you don't. If you did you'd understand the histories of the bibles and try to search for the closest to the truth. Instead you use it as an excuse to point at theists and tell them how wrong their are without understanding a single thing about the history. You've grouped together all christian heresies and declared them to be 1 kind of person with all the same arguments. Fact is, you've been arguing with heretics who only continue to muddy the waters of truth.

@TraitorFelon.14.3

Жыл бұрын

@@NoSoupForYouu You are caught up in your own delusions. I’ll pray for you.

@vapeannigama9632

Жыл бұрын

@@TraitorFelon.14.3 What did they say? They deleted their comment, just curious. Also, that was an idea i never thought of doing, mostly because i havent had someone try to convert me, but still, a genius idea that never would have crossed my mind.

@TraitorFelon.14.3

Жыл бұрын

@@vapeannigama9632 The comment I got was basically some sort of “read the text and understand the closest truth”. Maybe the person deleted the comment after he/she/it understood that coming up with the “closest truth” is a really stupid remark and only emphasizes that it is all about “interpreting” the text to suit whatever you call truth at that moment.

@vapeannigama9632

Жыл бұрын

@@TraitorFelon.14.3 huh, I see

"To change someone's mind... you first have to listen." Very well said.

@tach5884

4 жыл бұрын

But I already stole the launch codes :(

@MartTLS

4 жыл бұрын

NeOxiT Why do theists ?

@MartTLS

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler B #2 I’m assuming you believe in every other cult religion then on the off chance that maybe just one of them might be true thereby invoking the concept of Pascal’s Wager which is so obviously flawed just like your own logic .

@MartTLS

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler B #2 Yes you are and also begging the question. Where’s your proof ? An old book isn’t proof of the supernatural.

@MartTLS

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler B #2 Magic requires a magician and only creationists believe in magic and man made gods to perform it .

I had a friend who constantly tried to convert me. She told me I was never a true Christian despite me not having ever told her anything about my past experience as one, and kept insisting that I pray. The last straw was when I was hospitalized, and I was talking to her on the phone afterwards and instead of asking how I was doing or anything, she started really aggressively saying stuff like, “It’s a fact that God is real and he is your father! Something can’t start from nothing blah blah and you’d be better if you believed in him.” I didn’t even try to argue because I knew she’d claim I was ‘attacking her god’ despite her being the one always bringing religion up, so I calmly asked her how any of that was relevant to the situation. She couldn’t answer the question and kept on with the same fallacious tactics. I haven’t spoken to her since.

@broken_arrow_1179

Жыл бұрын

As a Catholic I apologize for people like that, it should never be forced on anyone like she tried

@lightningmonky7674

Жыл бұрын

Honestly it sounds like she just wasn't very bright, not necessarily malicious. Still I'd rather not hang out with stupid people so I feel it

@maxalberts2003

Жыл бұрын

@@lightningmonky7674 Not only was she not very bright, but she was apparently flat-out insensitive to another person's suffering. And she seems not to have had enough insight to even understand her own behavior. Talk about a barnacle! Carolyn is well rid of her. How embarrassing!

@neatpenguin

Жыл бұрын

Their logic is contradictory, if something can't come from nothing where did God come from? Make it make sense

@lightningmonky7674

Жыл бұрын

@@neatpenguin legitimately they're whole belief system is on top of a failing foundation, the more science we learn the more that can be explained without God. The more we learn the less we need to say God did it. So far they're banking we never find out exactly how the universe came into being, they better hope it never happens but climate change will probably kill us all before that point

The opposite case happened to me. My ex-partner (atheist) tried to convert me based on humiliation by telling me that religion makes no sense, that I was ignorant; etc. However, to this day faith (not "religion" as an institution) is an important part of my life. I think we have to take the positive aspects of religion (Catholic, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist…) in our lives, accept and love your neighbor, live honestly and without hurting others, and preach a message of peace. So, I don't care what you believe or don't believe, as long as you are happy and don't hurt others, bless you.

@kenashworth7672

Жыл бұрын

That just sounds like a shitty miserable person who gets into relationships to spread their shitty-ness to others. If you are getting into a relationship feeling you are entitled to bully your partner into changing to suit you, your relationship can't end up healthy. Sorry, you went through that.

@VindensSaga

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. That's just shitty. Good thing that this person is now an ex, sounds like a toxic person. The thing when people say that religion don't make sense it basically means it don't make sense for them but for you (and me) religion makes perfect sense. People that really want to believe in God, they will do it no matter what they're told or "shown." Accepting and respecting differences is always the key.

@marblecar1162

Жыл бұрын

Im sorry you had to go through that. It seems like they were just a horrible person. I hope you have recovered from that relationship

@luchem721

Жыл бұрын

If you want to know. I married an atheist. But he is the kindest and most understanding person. And he knows that loving me means loving the beliefs that make me who I am, just as I love everything he is. We don't mess with each other's beliefs (or not beliefs). I thank the Lord for bringing him into my life.

@IamSkyeOrion

Жыл бұрын

You don't convert someone to atheism.

As an Evangelical Christian Pastor, I actually totally resonate with this video. I have found myself on both side of the issue of not listening to people. I mean, I have done lots of research of various different systems of viewing the world, and I have at times judged people (Mormons, Muslims, Athiests, Agnostics) by some material that I read rather than listening to them personally. It was actually in conversation with a Mormon friend that I finally figured this point out. I knew more "official" Mormon doctrine than he did, but that doctrine was not what he knew or believed. Therefore, I was in fact not conversing with him, but rather an image of him that I had built in my head. On the other side, I have a very good agnostic friend with whom I have had many conversations over the last 5 years. We care about one another personally to the point of showing up for the real moments of life, such as illness or family problems. But he is so frustrating because sometimes he is arguing a point against some "Christian" that has nothing to do with what I believe. I'll tell him that, and he'll actually answer that of course I believe that, I just don't know it. I mean it's gotten to the point where I don't even want to talk about ideas anymore because I don't think I am being heard. It doesn't even happen in an effort of me trying to convert him (yes, I think I'm right and I'd like him to agree with me, but first we have to be able to have regular conversation), because most of the time it is him bringing up topics. For example, he has some Christian friends who are Trump fans and keeps trying to put that on me as if I'm being inconsistent in my belief system by supporting Trump, which I don't and haven't. Now in one sense this has been good for me because it makes me more aware of my own tendency to judge people by the group that they supposedly belong to, rather than getting to know them individually. I think group classification can be useful, but in conversing with individuals, we should not assume that anyone conforms neatly to any particular group.

@ronbernardi

Жыл бұрын

How can you remain an evangelical Christian pastor? I mean Jesus was a man. The god part is just wishful thinking.

@apinkchameleon

Жыл бұрын

I think it's really great that you've been willing to debate and hear other sides on this issue! However, as an agnostic, the fact that your friend is trying to tell you what you actually believe in sounds really frustrating. I have a few Christian friends too and I would never say that to them, especially since I know that they have probably thought critically about their religion as well. Also, I most definitely do not think that all Chrstians are Trump supporters by a long shot, it's actually a bit silly that your friend has decided that for you. I think that there's no way to prove or disprove religion, which is why I'm agnostic, but also that we can't chide people for believing in something we think is ridiculous because we don't know if it is or not. So I think it is incredibly disrespectful to make generalizations or belittle people just for being religious, as much as religious people shouldn't mock agnostics/atheists. I honestly hope that more people become a little more like you in terms of hearing other sides too

@littlemas2

Жыл бұрын

@@ronbernardi I guess I'd have to know a lot more about you and what you believe to give you a real answer to this question. When you say "the god part" what do you mean? Do you not believe Jesus was god or a god or perhaps that the very idea of the supernatural is wishful thinking or perhap you mean something else altogether?

@ronbernardi

Жыл бұрын

@@littlemas2 Jesus is no more god than you or I or a plant. Generally a person's religious belief is based on their birth place. Had you been born in Saudi Arabia you'd be an Imam. Had you been born in Thailand you'd be a monk. The bible, Torah and Quran are error filled books. And yet humans can write error free books and to do it often. Books god whispered, spoken or dictated are full of errors. Joshua stopped the Sun. Jona lived in the belly of a fish. Jobs family, and good used as gambling chips. Muhammad rode a flying horse and split the Moon in two.

@littlemas2

Жыл бұрын

@@ronbernardi Well your answer did not exactly get to what I was asking, but I think I understand a little better. Would you say that any belief in a reality outside of the physical world is not justified? Or perhaps another way to say it would be to ask if a belief in any god or any miracle (an event that is caused by some force outside of the material universe) is possible? In more technical terms, I'm asking if you are a philosphical naturalist or materialist? If not how would you describe your belief about the limits of what is or could be real? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but rather to get clarity so that I can better respond to your question.

These aren't just mistakes that people make when trying to "convert" someone. Those are all mistakes that people make simply communicating with each other.

@robp2253

4 жыл бұрын

Very true.

@tanyanguyen3704

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@VioletJoy

4 жыл бұрын

👏

@ChrisJones-rd4wb

4 жыл бұрын

Their arguments are coming from a place of attachment, a place of clinging too a specific world view, and trying too force other people too conform too the illusion of the world in their head. This attachment is the cause of all suffering, fear, and anxiety... Starting here can only lead to more suffering.

@MartTLS

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Moore Pasta be upon you . Stay safe and always wear your colander .

Would you be afraid if a Muslim told you that you were going to hell because you weren't Muslim and didn't believe in Allah? No? Why not? Because I don't believe that. Right. So when Christians tell me I am going to hell, I am not worried because I don't believe that any more than you believe in Allah.

@MrHuntingClaw

4 жыл бұрын

I like to respond that people have gotten to a logical conclusion that hell isn't burning as much as heaven, so I would very much prefer hell.

@MrHuntingClaw

4 жыл бұрын

@Bwa Bwa Yoshi Wow, that's so inventive, I feel a sudden need to make a book which says why I should want to go to hell rather than heaven. You should know that the so called "entire book" you're referring to has been mistranslated over and over, over the centuries, not to mention that the Romans most likely picked that religion out of many others because it fit the bill best. There's a reason why Christianity and the like are as big as they are, it lies in history, it's not about who's right or who's wrong. It's about who won.

@williambarnes5023

4 жыл бұрын

*"Would you be afraid if a Muslim told you that you were going to hell because you weren't Muslim and didn't believe in Allah?"* Yeah, because that means they're probably about to swing that scimitar at my neck.

@williambarnes5023

4 жыл бұрын

*"Unless of course that there is an entire book that tells you you're wrong. Youd rather remain a deer in the headlights that just stands there."* You have an entire fictional book saying I'm wrong. I have an entire factual universe saying you're wrong. You'd rather remain an ostrich with its head in the ground. Oh, and I also have every other religion's fictional book saying you're wrong.

@christiansanchez1486

4 жыл бұрын

Depending am I in the states or am I in the middle east and before you ask, yes it makes a difference, since In the US. You have a higher chance of reasoning with them but in the middle of you’re being approached you’re probably gonna either get taxed or killed if you answer wrongly in their eyes. Only a fool judges his opponent capabilities without understanding the religious beliefs of the opponent.

I'm Catholic and I've always gotten along well with atheists and agnostics. Most of my friends when I was a younger man (I'm closing in on 50) were atheists, agnostics or people from religions other than my own and we got along well. I remember having being asked by the sister of one of my friends, a Wiccan girl, if I was a Christian and she acted like I was a unique creature when I affirmed that I was. I can't remember what she said upon learning that I was a Christian but it amounted to "I've never met (or talked to) a Christian!" 😁 I can't speak for anyone but myself but my life's calling isn't to convert people to Catholicism. Reading the Gospel it's obvious who Jesus associated with. It wasn't the self-righteous and hypocritical that He supped with. I've met many a non-Christian who acts in a more Christlike manner than many who claim to believe.

I am not an atheist (I'm still trying to come up with reasons why the KZread algorithm decided to show this to me), but as a non-Christian theist, I can definitely relate to a lot of the points you made. This video was very relatable and very well-made. And as you said, this advice applies to anyone trying to convince anyone of anything. Thank you so much for this!

@kenashworth7672

Жыл бұрын

I'm sincerely curious what your non-Christian theism (poly-theistic?) looks like. I'm a Buddist, and one of my closest friends is a Zoroastrian, and we often find common ground in our beliefs to chat about.

@witchofredwoods8963

Жыл бұрын

@@kenashworth7672 Hi! I'm a Hellenic polytheist (Hellenist or HelPol for short), meaning I worship the Greek gods. I am also an omnist, meaning I believe that all religions are valid and that all gods exist (and yes, that includes the Abrahamic God). But as a Hellenist, I only worship the Greek pantheon. Separate from my religious background, I am a practicing witch. Before I became a Hellenist, I was an eclectic pagan, and my witchcraft and my paganism were closely tied together. Now, I still practice eclectic witchcraft, though the scope of my worship has narrowed down to just the Hellenic gods. On the topic of common ground, I have a lot of Muslim friends, and I can't help but notice the similarities between _wudu_ (I think that's how you spell it?) in Islam and spiritual cleanliness in Hellenism. Different religions may have different specific practices, but many of the overarching concepts are very similar! I love having interfaith conversations and finding all of these similarities!

@grell5108

Жыл бұрын

@@witchofredwoods8963 ayo! I'm also an omnist, but I only work with the Norse gods (currently at least). And other than some basic 'magic' that kinda comes with the religion like rune work, I'm not really a witch. It's really fun talking to other polytheists. May I ask what deities you worship or is that too personal?

@witchofredwoods8963

Жыл бұрын

​@@grell5108 Yay! And no, it's not too personal for me. I primarily worship Hestia, Dēmētēr, Athēnē, Apollon, and Aphroditē. By any chance, do you listen to pagan folk music?

@grell5108

Жыл бұрын

@@witchofredwoods8963 cool. Yeah, I listen to some Skald and technically Brothers of Metal ain't folk but it's reeeaaallly good. You?

"God Prefers Kind Atheists Over Hateful Christians"

@SebastianWeinberg

4 жыл бұрын

Well, yeah; It says so in the Bible. If anyone actually _read_ it, they would know that the Samaritans of the time were considered as _heretics_ and _unbelievers_ at the time Jesus told the parable of the “Good Samaritan”.

@exxelsetijadi5348

4 жыл бұрын

@@SebastianWeinberg What and which testament ? I'd like to know this fact

@SebastianWeinberg

4 жыл бұрын

@@exxelsetijadi5348 I believe the parable of the Good Samaritan is in the gospel of Luke, although I'd have to google it to be sure, so you may as well do that yourself. Samaria and the Samaritans are mentioned several times through the old and new testament, and the well-documented antipathy between the Samaritans and Jewish people is fairly apparent. When Jesus chooses a Samaritan for his parable, that's not a random pick - he uses one specifically because, to a Jewish person of that time, “Samaritan” would mean “Heretic” at best, and “Enemy of the Jewish people” at worst.

@nataliaborys1554

4 жыл бұрын

As a person who believes in God, I agree. I'd much rather have some of my atheist yet genuinely kind and loving friends go to Heaven than some "christians" who lash out at anyone who disagrees with them. And I believe God thinks so too. If He does not, He might not be as good as He is said to be.

@Generic_Gaming_Channel

4 жыл бұрын

Either way I'm probably screwed if he is real since I'm basically a cunt

I was born into an atheistic irreligious family, why does every single Christian expect me to have been previously Christian and had a bad experience?

@markleavitt3297

3 жыл бұрын

It do be like that sometimes. A lot of other Christians I know can't see out of the box they've made for themselves. They try to protect their beliefs by removing the possibility of anything else. Kind of a weird champ if you're asking me.

@f4ptr989

3 жыл бұрын

Mark Leavitt Yeah it’s a weird thing to have to constantly be told, truth be I really don’t hate religion or religious people I’ve always been treated well by them. The only problems I face is when they pressure me to tell them what I believe and I have to respond I’m an atheist, mostly they just say oh what’s that? To which J say I don’t believe in god and then they want to debate me, and I have no interest because truthfully no matter what I say or do, it always ends up with them angry and feeling attacked even though they asked and pushed me to tell them... It’s pretty annoying and I don’t believe that religion and science and non-belief can’t all coexist together. However I do get pissed off when people say I have no morals or ethics and I must be a devil worshipper. Seriously duck off with that siht! If I don’t believe in god them how tf do I believe in satan, it’s so stupid and how can you say I’m a bad person just because I don’t believe in the divine...

@BlacksmithTWD

3 жыл бұрын

@@f4ptr989 Why insist on calling yourself an atheist, why do you 'have to respond I'm an atheist'?, it can be like waving a red flag in front of a bull when doing so with some Christians? Why not inform them of a belief you actually uphold without going into much detail, for instance you could quote the movie characters Bill and Ted by saying "be excellent to each other (and party on dudes)", assuming this is a belief you genuinely uphold. If that still doesn't help you could point out that in the new testament Jesus instructs people not to determine the religion by what someone says about himself/herself but instead to observe them and see how they act, and if that doesn't work you could hint that from a Christian knowing his/her bible you would have expected better than to act contrary to Matthew 7. "I don’t believe that religion and science and non-belief can’t all coexist together." A double negative? why not just say 'I believe that religion and science can coexist' assuming you believe this to be the case, it's a belief you share with the majority of Christians in the world (though perhaps not with the majority of Christians living in the US).

@Vulcanfaux

3 жыл бұрын

Its probably just cuz its the most common thing for it.

@f4ptr989

3 жыл бұрын

BlacksmithTWD Because if people ask me a question I’m inclined to answer truthfully, most of the time it’s friends asking because we’re talking about random siht. Quoting the bible isn’t something I do. Saying I’m an atheist is the easiest answer to that question. Why be a smartass to people I like, also a double negative is a positive, the sentence is both logically and linguistically valid.

“Much less animosity among friends, conflict among families, and toxicity in public dialogues…” - Excellent summary of the fruit of genuine, humble listening. Much needed across all sorts of opposing perspectives nowadays…

I’m in my 50s and was brought up uber Catholic. I had some sort of religious instruction or ceremony every day. At the same time my paternal grandfather was an atheist. He never talked about it but he didn’t hide it either. How I wish I could tell him, “me too, grandpa, and my kids!” Of course I never “came out” to my Mom before she passed away. She had had enough sadness and difficulties in her life. I didn’t want to add to it for her.

Quoting holy books is another mistake. Why quote a holy book to someone who doesnt believe in it? Someone might as well quote the quran to a christian, or the hindu vedas to a Buddhist. You might as well hand them a blank piece of paper and say "now agree with me".

@michaeldlugosch7965

4 жыл бұрын

I as an atheist constantly quote the bible when people try to convert me. For instance, explain the following passages: Exodus 21: 7-8 "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again." Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid." Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life" Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Then I ask them to defend the validity and modern relevance of these passages.

@Gr3nadgr3gory

4 жыл бұрын

This is why I made my own holy book to pull quotes from.

@mensetens6391

4 жыл бұрын

_Why quote a holy book to someone who doesnt believe in it?_ It might be right. 'Love your neighbor' is not wrong.

@thetsarofall8666

4 жыл бұрын

@@mensetens6391 certainly that is true, but i recognize i needed to be more clear in my first comment, so i'll fix a mistake i made: why quote a holy book, to someone who does not believe it, as though it has authority? For example, why, when an atheist points out mistakes in the bible, quote at them the passage about how the bible has no mistakes? Or why, when a buddhist points out the violence portrayed in the bible that god commits, point out the passage that states god is all loving and then act like that solves the issue? Why act like any of these passages has authority when presented to someone who does not believe?

@frank_calvert

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeldlugosch7965 I love using quotes from religious books against their believers, seeing them try and wrap their head around what it says always makes me smile

"...deep down you know there's a God. You're just afraid to admit it." No. When I was a Christian, deep down I knew it was all bullshit. I was just to afraid to admit it then.

@aspitube2515

3 жыл бұрын

It's normal, when you don't read the Bible, don't pray, stay away from God those things happen. satan is at work, he never sleeps

@este45ful

3 жыл бұрын

@@aspitube2515 idk bro, I used to be extremely religious, read the biblie with my mom at night, went to church every saturday, but I still ended up an atheist

@j_5244

3 жыл бұрын

Then did you really call on Christ to save you? “Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?” -Hebrews 10:28-29 KJV

@MarcStollmeyer

3 жыл бұрын

@@j_5244 did you actually watch the video?

@darkomarkovic460

3 жыл бұрын

@@MarcStollmeyer This video isn't really perfect. You should listen to our friend @J W here.

A great example of the spiritual experiences is that I have ‘seen ghosts’. As a kid I saw my family’s dead sheep run through the halls and I occasionally ‘see ghosts’ today too. But I don’t believe in ghosts and I recognize it was just an eye trick or any moving object my brain couldn’t categorize so it processed it as something familiar.

I’ve just learned it’s not worth arguing with people who are trying to convert me because they won’t ever listen.

"Did you really think by pushing me I would become what you want me to be? And did you really think by hurting me I'd open up and just hand you the key?" -In This Moment Songwriters understand things that most deists don't.

@luz_reyes_676

Жыл бұрын

which song is that one?

@Dan280974

Жыл бұрын

@@luz_reyes_676 In this moment

@marijntenvelde8106

Жыл бұрын

​@@Dan280974 in this moment is a band

@kitkat8669

Жыл бұрын

@@luz_reyes_676 it's Natural Born Sinner

@Mythraen

Жыл бұрын

"Deists"? I think you meant "theists." Deists aren't very pushy, usually.

I’m an atheist, I wasn’t raised with any belief. However, when I’ve been in Churches, with the music and the hymns and everything, I’ve felt an energy in the room, a compulsion to join in, to be a part of something larger. Perhaps some theists would consider that a spiritual experience, but if you ask me it’s just natural human behaviour

@BluePhoenix_

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you can feel very similar/the same things on a concert, or a musical or whatever gets you going.

@benjalucian1515

2 жыл бұрын

What BluePhoenix said. Sensory overload or sensory deprivation can alter your consciousness and make you feel similarly

@topologyrob

2 жыл бұрын

Human behaviour is very spiritual

@thechh8297

Жыл бұрын

@Venosa *tosses salt in your general direction*

@realme0218

Жыл бұрын

@@venosa7649LMAOOOO

I haven't ever been confronted by a Theist about my open-policy of being a Atheist. But the idea of one trying to convert me sounds exciting! I could use all kinds of fun information I've learned over the years to blow their minds, make them think a little outside the box. Just general fun stuff, like how we're made of stardust materials from supernovas (because the only events volatile enough to create heavy materials like the ones that compose us are supernovas and kilonovas, although kilonovas are more of the reason why precious metals exist, and not so much us.) just for example. Nothing about the world will make sense and nothing ever will. There are tons of paradoxes everywhere and everything is a miracle simultaneously. I've never tried to turn anyone else into a Atheist myself because I can understand that this idea that we hardly know anything and the notion that the future is uncertain could be scary to some people. I personally find it comforting that potential for anything could happen, but that's just me. Instead I just advocate that people enjoy their life, because in a Universe where a inconceivable amount of anything exists, so do you! Every moment you breathe stars die, planets crash, maybe even galaxies mash, so much is happening at once we could never truly comprehend the extent of how much the timeline of each of our lives actually matters in the Universe. People should choose to enjoy those moments instead of employing ideas onto other people who clearly don't need it. Maybe I'm just a romantic, and this whole view is simply cheesy. Reality is definitely harsher than this but I choose a positive outlook for a reason. At the end of the day, my life won't matter that much. So there's really no harm in thinking positively whenever it comes to cosmic levels, but beliefs are a preference for sure. Some may force their own onto others, but they can't forever. People eventually figure out their goals and reasoning for everything so they can comfortably live. My goal is to just live a happy life with my love, tend to a garden, and bake to my heart's content. Its pretty reasonable that I don't think of any specific future because that comforts me the most with my life style. Maybe the Universe will slumber into darkness, maybe it'll reawaken and be born anew, or something beyond our comprehension. Its almost like I'm a agnostic Atheist in a way? I truly don't personally believe in a god, but I do believe almost anything can happen. Is that understandable for other people? Or am I just crazy for thinking this way. I kinda feel like a fool for posting this, but just like anyone else I can be ignorant so I'm open to responses, nitpicking, or whatever you really want.

@ravenmeyer3740

Жыл бұрын

That’s so Tao. Live in the moment because that is all we have.

@jackoh991

Жыл бұрын

You couldn't though. You make an assumption that a theist cares about logic, reasoning or evidence.

@ravenmeyer3740

Жыл бұрын

Well said @@jackoh991

@Clexi

Жыл бұрын

They ain’t gonna listen to a word you say.

@Rabixter

Жыл бұрын

@@Clexi That's an assumption. Exactly what the video explained _not_ to do right?

I love the message at the end about how you hope that by listening to one another there would be less animosity and toxicity between atheists and theists, and dare I say it's an inspired message. There needs to be more people who strive for peace.

@grayisgood

Жыл бұрын

Some people respect others, and some people just want to dominate others.

when i told my old christian friend i’m atheist he looked me in the eye and said at least ik the truth i looked back at him and said your truth he walked away mad when i told my other christian friends this they just said i understand and as long as your happy that’s all that matters and they still talk with me

@Croiri

Жыл бұрын

It's one of those times where you know you found the right people to be your friends.

@mauretaniafan1133

Жыл бұрын

have you heard of quotation marks?

@turtlelord8021

Жыл бұрын

God is supposedly all loving, his true followers should respect you for who you are, and I'm glad to see that most of them did.

@barstool9156

Жыл бұрын

They can’t control your faith, so he should not have been so butthurt. On the topic of personal Truths. Are those just opinions.

@Duckbusinessman

Жыл бұрын

@@turtlelord8021 if god is real, it’s those who deserve to go to heaven.

I had an theist friend of mine insist that atheist's were devil worshipers, I assured him that atheist's no more believe that the devil exists than god, bigfoot, or flying unicorns. He said no, no, no, he knows that atheist's are devil worshipers. I then asked him how many actual bonafided athiests he as actually talked to face-to-face, because I'm willing to bet I'm the first one you have actually had a conversation with and I'm telling you that this atheist dismisses the devil in exactly the same way I dismiss god, allah, and zeus. As such 100% of the atheists you have actually spoken to do not believe the devil exists. You could hear the gears and cogs in his brain come to a grinding halt.

@gearshift7174

4 жыл бұрын

lol its better just to start screaming HAIL SATAN HAIL SATAN and they will fear for their lives

@jonathanleslie9100

4 жыл бұрын

@Dennis Moore that's only because I good fria diablo sauce with fried calimari over bow tie is too good to pass up.

@gearshift7174

4 жыл бұрын

@Dennis Moore thats cuz your faith is just too good

@gearshift7174

4 жыл бұрын

@Dennis Moore and wear pirate clothes!

@shoeitchy7613

4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Moore Oh dear, what if I don’t like pasta?

A reoccurring theme I've found when conversing with Christians, or observing their behavior, is a startling lack of empathy and a real control-centric, fear-based way of existing in the world. And I can't help but notice that these same behavioral and thought patterns, as well as others, are what one would typically observe in narcissism. But then the question for me becomes: Are narcissists attracted to Christian theism or does Christian theism breed narcissism?

@Memoreism

11 ай бұрын

Like telling people they're going o he'll if they don't believe in God. That's not going to build a long-lasting conversion, that's just fear based.

@mammonswallet8592

11 ай бұрын

@@Memoreismit’s like “God” has a grip on their throats Almost like a toxic relationship but all that energy into a fantasy man 😭

@billpetersen298

6 ай бұрын

Good point.

@DeshCanter

5 күн бұрын

Your assessment lacks any empathy toward Christians; at the same time you insist on being in control of every conversation and fear the reactions of all those Christians you’ve herded into your convenient holding pens. We agree that there’s a degree of narcissism, while we disagree on where its center is.

You know you've already won when you're giving the other side detailed, step by step instructions on how to convince you they're right out of pity.

@grayisgood

Жыл бұрын

Won? Is this a war?

@IndigoDraws

Жыл бұрын

@@grayisgood Well, with all the propaganda, attacks on public property and healthcare, and the slow inching towards genocide of certain groups - all that and more coming from the far right christian side of politics - it very well might become one and soon if nothing is done about it.

@grayisgood

Жыл бұрын

@@IndigoDraws True. That's a war we have not won. But I would say that I don't need all religious people, or even all on the "christian" right to become athiest. I respect their right to their own beliefs. I just want the same respect right back at me. The problem with them is they believe they have a right to control everyone, and they do not. So that's the war: we need to fight against their efforts to control everyone.

@Rabixter

Жыл бұрын

Which war are you fighting?

@BunniRabbi

11 ай бұрын

Guys, obviously Bosif is talking about an ideological conflict.

Mother's always trying to reconvert me to Christianity. When I give her my reasons or make an argument against the existence of God, she just gives me a knowing and smug smile. Like, poor child. You'll figure it out soon. She asks me to "pray about it."

@keriezy

4 жыл бұрын

Mine tells me that praying can happen anywhere even the toilet!

@RaccoonTheeStar

4 жыл бұрын

@@keriezy Wow!

@ImaginaryMdA

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, she's doing the lord's work in making sure you stay an atheist! So, good for her!

@thomasmaughan4798

4 жыл бұрын

Her response seems reasonable. Either you figure it out or you don't. Belief cannot be compelled.

@viktorthevictor6240

4 жыл бұрын

Mine does that too. She doesn't listen to or understand anything I say, she just assumes I'm wrong and that "one day I'll understand".

When I reveal my Atheism I usually get, “I’m sorry to hear that.”

@blackcatpirates8134

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha 😆

@JesusLopez-xz3qw

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I once told to a Christian friend who I considered very close.. "I dont believe in a god"... She just said, "thats very sad, because you havent met him yet." thats how far the conversation went.

@shiro_mafaalu1540

3 жыл бұрын

@@JesusLopez-xz3qw It would be funny if you replied with “Oh, I’ll help you meet your God”

@JesusLopez-xz3qw

3 жыл бұрын

@@shiro_mafaalu1540 damn, this went from skeptic to bundy in no time

@emmanuelsolis7872

3 жыл бұрын

"Don't Worry i will pray for u" obiously whit a condecendent look

I'm an atheist, and have become friends with a number of Christians over the years. If any religious discussion comes up, we tend to listen to each other, we don't judge one another, and we accept that we have different beliefs. It's nice having friendships that can work with this dynamic. But there's one thing I say that we all tend to agree on: None of us really know what's "on the other side," and we won't find out for sure until we're dead. So until then, let's make the most of the life we have here while we're still alive in *this* existence, and we'll worry about what's next when the time comes.

As an athiest I approve of this video. People have tried to convert me and convice me I am actually religious when I'm not a lot. I tend not to talk about my athism because in general I don't find it relevant or even a predominant part of my life. But nothing is more infuriating than having assumptions and accusations thrown at me. My favorite is my "obvious lack of morals" because I don't have anyone to answer to. And ngl I find it incredibly annoying when people take personal offense to me being an athiest. I don't vocalize my offense to you thinking I deserve an eternity of hellfire (thats just a horrible thing to believe in general like wtf). But I get people being like "well I believe in xyz so don't treat on my beliefs ". Idk I think its wrong in general go convert people anyways, I'm not trying to convert you. I'm just letting my beliefs and identity known when its relvent to the conversation.

@sunriseoath

Жыл бұрын

Do you believe your friends and family are conscious? This is fundamentally something you believe by faith, and justifiably so. It accords well with your experience of what "conscious" means, and models your reality appropriately. The same applies to Christians! So this is all to say, I believe you are justified in your atheism and that you have good reasons for being an atheist. But I contend that if you can have faith that your loved ones are conscious, you can also have faith that the processes of the world around you are conscious.

@sunriseoath

11 ай бұрын

@@Rizz407 Pushy, maybe! But ignorant, I challenge this. I accept the ontology of atheists. I was an atheist til four months ago, and I am still fluent in the atheist worldview.

@sunriseoath

11 ай бұрын

@@Rizz407 You don't have to. You are not a Christian for what I presume to be very good reasons.

@flyingstapler1241

9 ай бұрын

@@sunriseoath It's the same as how people believe dogs are conscious (there is evidence dogs exist and we can get their reactions), but don't believe that Bigfoot exists because nobody has concrete evidence. Your analogy about consciousness isn't remotely the same because at least one has proof that we see in daily life.

@sunriseoath

9 ай бұрын

@@flyingstapler1241 You have no proof about the minds of dogs, any more than you have proof of Bigfoot. Instead, in both cases you have evidence consistent with the model that dogs are conscious and Bigfoot exists. The key insight is that we have first hand physical proof of humans, but not of people. The latter is a form that can only be proven to oneself spiritually, whether that "one" is an individual subject or a society at large.

Your hair is still two feet too short.

@WilbertLek

4 жыл бұрын

His mother didn't pass on "his file" to the barber...

@moseszero3281

4 жыл бұрын

AronRa. You are a fucking legend.

@abhabh6896

4 жыл бұрын

I dont get it?

@moseszero3281

4 жыл бұрын

​@@abhabh6896 AronRa likes long hair. :p He is one of the original YT atheists. His "foudational falsehoods of creationism" series and Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series are both great.

@TheReaverOfDarkness

4 жыл бұрын

@@moseszero3281 They also both feature long-haired atheists.

My father in law asked me "What makes you think you're better than Peter?" When I said I just didn't see the evidence for a god. Because Peter who had seen all these things still doubted. I told him, "I don't know Peter, never met the guy, but if you find him or his evidence, let me know."

@SasukeUchiha-mp2wh

Жыл бұрын

Quran [45:4] Verily in the heavens and the earth are Signs for those who believe. [45:5] And in your own creation and in that of all the creatures which He scatters in the earth are Signs for a people who possess firm faith. [45:6] And in the alternation of night and day, and the provision that Allah sends down from the sky, whereby He quickens the earth after its death, and in the change of the winds, are Signs for a people who try to understand. [45:7] These are the Signs of Allah which We rehearse unto thee with truth. In what word, then, after rejecting the Word of Allah and His Signs will they believe? [45:8-9] Woe to every sinful liar, Who hears the Signs of Allah recited unto him, and then proudly persists in his disbelief, as though he heard them not. So give him the tidings of a painful punishment. [45:10] And when he learns something of Our Signs, he makes a jest of them. For such there is an humiliating punishment. [45:11] Before them is Hell; and that which they have earned shall avail them not aught, nor shall those whom they have taken for protectors beside Allah. And they will have a dreadful punishment. [45:12] This is true guidance. And for those who disbelieve in the Signs of their Lord is the torture of a painful punishment.

@yeahno8294

Жыл бұрын

The fact he tried to imply you thought you were better then anyone simply for believing what you believe or thinking what you think is just more evidence of the manipulation they use to make free thinkers look bad and feel bad.

@user-ug6kk5ux5q

Жыл бұрын

who tf is Peter

@kellkalishvanya3548

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ug6kk5ux5q exactly

@carloscastellanosdarkeyesi6126

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ug6kk5ux5q according to the bible, one of jesus' apostles, who said he wouldn't believe jesus resurrected until he put his hand in the wounds he got from being crucified, then jesus showed up and allowed him to do so

Man, I don't think I could ever tell my family I don't believe in Christianity anymore. I haven't believed in years but I'm too afraid to tell them.

@dontworryboutit2959

Жыл бұрын

I tested how they’d react by telling them I’m socialist (they’re heavy conservative) and after that decided it’s best I just wait a minute to drop that bomb

@Helena-me6mp

Жыл бұрын

@@dontworryboutit2959 Isnt that testing a bomb with another bomb?

@vmk2466

11 ай бұрын

@@Helena-me6mponly if you are insane enough to think ideological differences make normal interaction impossible

@Helena-me6mp

11 ай бұрын

@@vmk2466 It definitely can? Isnt that completely and blatantly obvious? Some people cannot be argued with, and arguing only exists because of a difference in opinion.

@vmk2466

11 ай бұрын

@@Helena-me6mp you wholeheartedly believe that thinking the world should work differently to someone else would make you unable to interact with them like a normal person?

Outstanding Drew. You've really nailed both: Understanding what drives the mindsets of "each side" . And, a very well constructed prescriptive method for reaching improving the conversation. Thank you.

I just admitted to my mom that I'm an atheist. She's crying and it took a lot of courage. This video finally helped me do the final step.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

4 жыл бұрын

I’m so proud of you! 😊 That DOES take a lot of courage.

@RonSafreed

4 жыл бұрын

MODERN ISREAL in 1948 is fulfilled Bible prophecy & other things since 1948 til now! Soon Isreal & the Jews will have a temple/priesthood/animal sacrifice, absent nearly 2000 years & this ties into Jesus Christ coming back for the Millenium & MANY CHURCHES TEACH NOTHING ABOUT MODERN ISREAL & JESUS COMING BACK FOR THE MILLENIUM & END-TIMES!!!!!!

@RonSafreed

4 жыл бұрын

@Shin-Goji 216 Ok you explain the 4000 year history of the Jewish people & how modern Isreal came about & BTW another temple will be built in the future 50 miles north of Jerusalem! The Jews had two temples in their first 2000 year history in Isreal! Soon a third temple will come & a fourth temple mentioned in Ezekiel still to be built in the future!!!!!!

@cephalonblue5991

4 жыл бұрын

RonSafreed The return of Israel is an unfalsifiable prophecy with no time limit. Given enough time, anything that can possibly happen will eventually happen. Unfalsifiable prophecies are utterly worthless. Find a better one to ramble on about.

@RonSafreed

4 жыл бұрын

@@cephalonblue5991, OK soon Isreal & the Jews will have a temple/priesthood/animal sacrifice, something absent nearly 2000 years & "in a nutshell" this ties into the Jews finally as a nation accepting Jesus Christ as the Messiah, something they should have done as a nation 2000 years ago but soon they will & that is when J.C./Yeshua comes back to Jerusalem for the Millenium!

I read this as "4 mistakes Athiests make when trying to convert Athiests" and got really confused

@WinterPains

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one.

@VistilShaiteth

4 жыл бұрын

I read convert as comfort for some reason

@markleavitt3297

3 жыл бұрын

"Counterintuitive Atheism"

@gabrieladelacruz1057

3 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Carbon2861996

3 жыл бұрын

Mistake n. 1: converting to JPEG

Thanks for this video! I know I'm a little late to the party, but this was great! This is something that I've been trying to get people to understand - not feeling listened to is one of the worst things I think, and leads to some of the least productive conversations I've ever had. So once again, thank you!!

"I reasoned through things very differently than them" - it is very charitable of you to append those four words at the end, there.

I hate it when they say "You're being deceived or you're being blinded by the devil," homie I can use your same arguments for any other religion.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

4 жыл бұрын

Oh man, I’ve heard that so many times and used that reply so many times

@mjolninja9358

4 жыл бұрын

Genetically Modified Skeptic you should repent brother or else kenneth copeland will judge you with his God winds.

@robp2253

4 жыл бұрын

@@mjolninja9358 He always scared me. He is just crazy.

@tommy605

4 жыл бұрын

This has been my reply to that for the last 5 or so years. Sure, I might be being deceived by the devil. But let me see if I get you right before I counter. You're saying the devil has the power to deceive me and hundreds of millions of other atheists, right? That's right And what about other religions, powerful enough to deceive them as well? Absolutely. OK, so, if the devil has the power to deceive billions of people into falsely believing or not believing, how can you be sure you're not the one being deceived and the devil created this elaborate story of God and Jesus (or Mohammad if talking to a Muslim or any other god/prophet of another religion) and the bible and then convinced the small group of early Christians so deeply they started the ball rolling to what is now the ultimate deception? Usually, there's a pause, but quite often they will say something like "because God talks to me and tells me" Couldn't the devil pretend to be god, and tell you to keep you deceived? At this point, you can start to see and feel the uncomfortable level rise. That's pretty much the end of the discussion. They now have this little nagging seed of doubt. Sometimes that seed will grow, most often they'll just starve it to death.

@maripaura4945

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

I had a guy try to convince me I would stop being an atheist when my first child was born due to the miracle of birth. Utterly nonsensical, obviously.

@SwordTune

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was implying you'd have a virgin birth? Now that would be pretty wild.

@writeeat7364

4 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune Mary was an atheist, confirmed.

@therobot1080

4 жыл бұрын

@@SwordTune mmm yes, p a r t h e n o g e n e s i s

@therobot1080

4 жыл бұрын

@@glenneggert8344 yup, next we need to go give creationists a crash course on evolution

@johnnonamegibbon3580

4 жыл бұрын

Did you know that Atheists have a way higher rate of genetic defects than Theists? You shouldn't have kids if you're an atheists. Let the non-genetic mutants procreate, please.

Watching again, that was amazingly well said! Communication really IS the key. Unfortunately, most of the believers I know are so steeped in their religion, which I can understand, that they find it almost impossible to think ANYONE could not share that belief. I shy away from some simply because they like to say, in a nutshell, "Get believing, or you're going to Hell." Others are more tolerant and tolerable, but lack the tools which you have outlined. Hopefully, I can share them with at least a modicum of success, if only to soften some feelings, mine included, and bridge a few gaps. Thanks, man. And your hair looks just fine!

There remains too many people who are only ever taught what to think, rather than how to think, which is why you often hear many different ways to explain stuff from people who understand what they are trying to explain, while on the other side you hear the exact same arguments and explanations over and over again because that's all they have been taught and had been unable to take on new information beyond rejecting them.

@jimhappnin1425

Жыл бұрын

All the world... is a 'lie'! But the 'truth' comes quickly!!

"To change someone's mind, you first have to listen." A quote to remember.

@mattthompson5444

2 жыл бұрын

What?

@xyrus345

2 жыл бұрын

To change someone's mind they first have to have a mind to change.

@The8BitPianist

2 жыл бұрын

@@xyrus345 True

@Firedrake1313

2 жыл бұрын

You also need a valid point that you are trying to get them to see. The problem with religion is that it's simply NOT valid from any perspective at all, it's just all BS so there IS NO argument for it that makes any kind of sense at all. People that believe in religion are simply believing what they want so they feel better about themselves, doesn't matter if that happens to be contrary to reality.

@captaingr00vy40

2 жыл бұрын

@@Firedrake1313 it's not "valid" because you are choosing it to not be.

"Coming out as atheist" That just sounds really weird, never heard that before

@GeorgeThoughts

3 жыл бұрын

I'd never considered this as a thing either, but it makes sense tbh. My normal has always been a fairly atheist/agnostic family upbringing, and though I attended a Church of England school I never personally believed in God. It was all just ceremonies and fun songs for me. But now I find myself in a relationship with a mild Catholic, who was raised in Malaysia where Religion is far more culturally engrained and "hard-core". Her family are more hardcore Catholic and tend to relate almost all of their daily experiences back to God. The mother will, for instance, pray to Jesus for a break in traffic so that she can pull out into a busy road, or find a parking space! This seems absurd to me, but I try to understand that for them, being religious is the norm. It's almost like having a favorite hobby. So I may very well have to "come out" to them eventually as Athiest myself, especially when their family friends prod me about whether I'm a good Christian or not...

@sadkingbilly

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not a thing. Atheism is the natural state for human beings. It’s like being Caucasian, then telling people “I’m coming out as a white (wo)man”.

@nessa-parmentier

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadkingbilly it *should* not be a thing But it is, i discovered it recently, mainly in very religious countries Being from France, where religion is not really important, being atheist is one of the default options (at the point where when i encounter someone, i assume they're atheist by default), but in the USA for example, depending on the states, it simply doesn't look like it's a normal option

@eldritchthorne

3 жыл бұрын

​@@sadkingbilly Pfft 'not a thing'. Try living in an area where being an atheist was a tag that meant 'HEY COME HARASS ME CUZ I'M A WRETCH THAT NEEDS SAVING!' For me, it is the Southern Bible Belt, USA, in a small town where Christianity is king and people look down their nose at you if you don't 'pray their way'. If you make the mistake of coming out here, you won't get any peace when certain people find out (if you told the wrong person, word will spread like WILDFIRE) and they will send others, sometimes people you don't know at all, to approach you on the matter to 'show you the errors of your ways'. You will be singled out and forced into uncomfortable situations that you can't avoid when you're in a social setting. Be rude about it or make them believe it was rude, it comes back trifold with other underhanded tactics. Leaning in with wide eyes and a creepy grin and telling you to have a BLESSED day when you're at work and demand that you say it back each time they come in is one of those ways. You may even make someone so irrationally mad about your disbelief that their body language might tell you to duck. Hell, they'll try their best to get you alone and keep you from leaving until you either agree with them or someone else walks in. They may ask questions and seem interested in learning, but they'll cut you off and insert old assumptions we're all used to hearing. That was called 'Thanksgiving/Chrismas Dinner' and/or 'spending time with stepdad's heavily religious family'! There are some seriously entitled people who think they can convert gay people into being straight, atheists are just another one of those situations in their eyes. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Don't get me started on how they react if you tell them you're Ace or 'not interested in a relationship'. Got the t-shirt for that too.

@sadkingbilly

3 жыл бұрын

nathan parmentier I know. One of the reasons I consider the us a third world country. Religion absolutely is a mental illness, and one that doesn’t come naturally. People are bully-brainwashed into it.

Thanks, drew. I've actually always been an atheist, since my mom was raised southern Baptist, fell out of it, and figured i was smart enough to figure it out myself. Announced i was an atheist at catholic school mass, which I'm still very proud of (there's a story, but basically it's the priest's fault for asking). And i think big bang is my favorite creation story, billions of years of stars exploding and creating new elements, dusts collecting and creating planets, evolution, all of it because of those first exploding stars. I can't possibly think of a more beautiful, closer to religious phrase for me than that we are all stardust. Que the ELO.

Thankyou for helping us articulate our points better despite the belief distance

I mean... as a theist myself I’d say the first mistake is trying to convert people. Everyone should have the freedom to seek truth and believe whatever they like, so you’re intention should really never be to convert. Having an open minded back and forth dialogue discussing your beliefs is one thing, but if your intention is to change their mind because you think that your view is the “right” one then you’re not coming in good faith imo

@whiten0648

2 жыл бұрын

U are right my friend, i like this guys videos because it has a different view of what i believe, im still a believer but watching the other side of the coin is always good, everyone is completely free to believe or not and just becuz u dont share the same opinion with other person you should hate them

@williamhughmurraycissp8405

2 жыл бұрын

It is part of Christian culture to proselytize, to "evangelize," to spread the "good news." To "convert." Consider the "missionary." That is how avowed atheists become someone's "project."

@timothyvenable3336

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a theist too… but based on your comment it sounds like we worship different gods… I worship the God of the Bible who made heaven and earth and wants all people to come to him, and wants his children to spread his message of salvation. It is a project because it’s a process sometimes, but it’s worth it to see someone come from death to life. Hopefully you find the God I worship, and the angels rejoice over it!

@Salt_Master_Queue

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely. If all you are with someone is just a friend, not a brother in religion and friend, that's fine. You don't need to convert everyone, just be friendly. And by that friendliness, you may shift their views, even if they still believe one way or another.

@saundraschaefer

2 жыл бұрын

I wish your way was how all theists were. I was raised Seventh Day Adventist and let me tell you, spreading the faith and preparing for "the time of the end" were like the only two things they seemed to really care about. That and being vegan.

I swear this guy looks exactly like theodd1sout

@nicktheswampert1646

3 жыл бұрын

I have never thought about this but holy crap you're right

@lerogi4962

3 жыл бұрын

You’re right xD

@arandomuser9459

3 жыл бұрын

CJGamr01 Holy hell he does

@ethanwiedman7285

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my

@unomobisnuit5777

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you , now I can't get this or of my mind

Great video. Not just for the commentary as it pertains to atheist debates but also how it applies to any persuasion. It is essential to understand where someone is coming from first to convince them of anything. Trying to find commonalities as a starting place then noting differences is far better from denying their position outright. "Yes, except" is far more effective than "No, because"

I used to talk to my Christian friend about all the problems I had with the Bible and the church, and she agreed with me on almost everything. However, as soon as I told her I am leaving Christianity it’s like she forgot everything I had previously told her and she agreed with. I just kinda became her pet project for her to convert back.

@mammonswallet8592

11 ай бұрын

Kinda similar to a previous comment about being treating by their own friend like a project :(

I've never been religious. It all seemed like pretend when I was a child and made less and less sense as I got older.

@KiomonDuck

4 жыл бұрын

@Bwa Bwa Yoshi at the same time all religious texts are man made and man editied over time. They are as real as Harry Potter as far as I'm concerned.

@robertthebruce6035

4 жыл бұрын

@@KiomonDuck I agree with you wholeheartedly.

@KiomonDuck

4 жыл бұрын

Just remember that people of faith look at the universe in a different way. They have to discover answers on their own. Also I don't like to do what a lot of religious cults do and tell anyone what to believe, just what I think, if they ask. Don't be like them and look for followers, just be you and learn more about everything, then share what you've learned when the time comes. Be better then you were and learn more then you did the day before. Also I'm a Duck QIACK! QUACK! QUACK!

@KiomonDuck

4 жыл бұрын

@Dead Archer sweet👍 I'll see you around KZread sooner or later.

@DrSilvergun

4 жыл бұрын

@Bwa Bwa Yoshi Where did God come from?

hey there, man! I'm a Roman Catholic, and wanted to say that I really enjoyed your video! You had some good points and I agree with a lot of what you said, even if we believe in different things. Thanks for making this!

@Plapp_

4 жыл бұрын

very wholesome comment 10/10

@rainbowbun8716

4 жыл бұрын

Wow you the nicest catholic I ever met. Thanks for being amazing.

@svensvensson1085

4 жыл бұрын

Well said

@El_Presidente_5337

4 жыл бұрын

@@rainbowbun8716 I have the feeling that only the most idiotic ones of us come out in the internet shouting around lmao

@Plapp_

4 жыл бұрын

@Bwa Bwa Yoshi yeah but like him and half of the views here are people that don't believe in that so we all good

Perfect. Thank you. The same goes, as you say, for all meaningful conversations. Assuming rather than asking and listening is what makes me grow weary of my church. (pastor speaking).

Thanks for this!! I'm Nostic, not an atheist and I get flak From a family member for not being Christian. Ive always asked this person to just listen to what I believe. Altho she says she will listen I have yet to get thru a sentence without being interrupted. Of course, I'm always in the wrong. Ive listened and listened for years to this person spew her ideas with no compromise from her to hear me. So, thank you for this!!

A Baptist sunday school teacher once approached me with intent to convert me, "Don't you feel like scum?" Expecting my mental willpower to be weak and using insecurities to break me down and feel guilty about the decisions I make in life or have made. Which then turned into a 2 hour argumentative debate. Ended with neither of us finding compromise. I usually try to avoid those who try to convert me until they push it to another level. Some Christians need to learn to take no for an answer. He also tried come back to my job to continue the argument to convince me I was wrong about how I interpreted his book and his own interpretation. If I went into detail about what was said, would be too long for some people to read. Let's just say when I asked him if he believed in other religious deities/entities and called him an atheist towards their religion, he shut up and left me alone.

@cheriohalo4674

4 жыл бұрын

Jesus the Only Way to God kzread.info/dash/bejne/pnWjqc6OZ7jfXdo.html Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me” (John 14:6, NASB) and, “For unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins” (John 8:24, NASB).

@novae6584

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheriohalo4674 You ought to watch the video first before commenting this. In fact, GMS specifically addresses this attempt at converting others under "trying to convert with no attempt at listening." Furthermore, referencing the Bible as a source won't convince an atheist of anything. Atheists do not consider the Bible as an authority.The Bible also has no data or methodology to support its conclusions. This means that the only credentials the Bible has is itself. In the same way that I cannot convert you to Islam by referencing the Qur'an, you cannot convince an atheist to become Christian by referencing the Bible.

@cheriohalo4674

4 жыл бұрын

@@novae6584 spoke to atheist and clearly don't know the Holy Spirit nor the artifacts presented in Christian History , hence why the pagan civilization like Novae as an eye representative of the one side . Have you not read the history nor investigate Qu'ran . Serpents team aren't you Novae for claiming no data or methodology to support its conclusions. Have you not study an once of ancient civilization or Baal pagan worship

@novae6584

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheriohalo4674 In my goal to discover my religious identity, I studied: Judaism Christianity Islam Hinduism Buddhism Spiritualism before realizing I didn't agree with any of them. There is no data or methodology inside any of the holy texts that belong to the religions that I mentioned (with the exception of Spiritualism, since there is no holy text for said religion). You may accuse me of being a devil-worshiper all you wish (despite that point also being addressed in the video, proving once again you didn't actually watch the video before trying to convert people), but you need to provide irrefutable data and the methodology used to collect that data to convince an atheist that God exists. Neither the Bible nor the video you linked does that.

@Droemar

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheriohalo4674 "Baal pagan worship." Snrrrk. Baal was a rain god worshiped by the Jewish tribes before they met the Persians. In transition from polytheism to monotheism, the poly gods were cast aside in favor of the "one" god. Outside of the Bible, Baal was a nobody who didn't matter, not a real major player in the grand scheme of things. He looks like he was just a random name that won the lottery to talk about how terrible pagan gods were, because even the term Baal was not the mainstream name of the god. Hadad was, and Hadad has direct ties to the Mesopotamian culture Judaism would borrow all their major stories from. For example, heaven, hell, angels, and demons do not exist in Jewish stories until they make contact with Persia. Not only that, but it shows that the Semites borrowed their PAGAN gods from Mesopotamia! But by the time Christianity got to it, two thousand some odd years later, they'd bitch about how terrible Baal was. Just like they bitched about everything they knew nothing about and wanted to vilify. And what Christianity couldn't vilify enough they adopted as their own, like the winter solstice celebrations. Let's not forget your good Christian folks murdered the shit out of each other constantly and murdered the innocent in witch trials. So really, go ahead: tell me how bad Baal was, and how terrible the worship of him was. Because I can draw up atrocities done in Christianity's name that are just as bad. So maybe you shouldn't be throwing shit unless you want some of your own brought up.

Literally there's a "christian's arguments against atheist" ad in this video lmfao

@hollywoodsdestiny7919

4 жыл бұрын

Lol got one too

@mjolninja9358

4 жыл бұрын

Sean Benz ulol ka gago putanginamo nakita kita humihingi ng delata sa aso puta bobo mo gago tanginamo talaga kunat ng muka mo kahapon muka kang itlog tas ngayon amoy gung-gong deputanga na

@theuniverse.3080

4 жыл бұрын

yeah i got one at the start and i just *s i g h e d.*

@jaidev777

4 жыл бұрын

Got one too

@alt8791

4 жыл бұрын

same

I admire how concisely and considerately you've put this. Thank you for being so clear and concise. I was raised Southern Baptist but by the 4th grade I started seeing inconsistencies. I didn't identify as atheist for a few more years, but I still had a hard time "defending" myself. I held a reasonable certainty, but couldn't match the fervor of the religious folks. Thanks for this vid. If I'd had it as a teen, I'd defs have had an easier transition to skepticism, rationalism, existentialism, and various and sundry other religious and philosophical teachings. I would not have felt like such a deviant/outsider if I'd had more access to broader teachings.

I think I realized I was an atheist by the age of 9 or 10, when one of my friends coming back from church school showed to me what he was taught. I clearly remenber thinking "If there is a god and he is omnipotent as claimed, why would he need children going to church school to get his message delivered? That doesn’t sound right"

I've been an atheist for about 65 years. As soon as I understood there are many religions with conflicting claims and beliefs, I realized there was no good reason the Christian belief was any more reasonable than any other religion or the religions that are now called myths. They all become fairy-tale like. There are a few snippets of wisdom in all religions, but they the supernatural aspects are not valuable. The power of prayer is real in a sense, but it is not a god listening and granting a prayer. It is the power of positive thinking. If I look out of your window and tell you someone is stealing your car, even if that is a lie, immediately your blood pressure rises, your heartbeat increases and you feel concern and perhaps dread, fear, or anger. The truth is irrelevant for the power of prayer or meditation to work.

@GodlyDra

2 жыл бұрын

…… is it bad that I would feel excitement if someone said somebody was stealing my car? Like, I don’t own a car so if somebody said that I’d just be excited that I had a car somehow.

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

@@GodlyDra Cody Johnstono, Holy Koolaid, and Telltale-Fireside are 3 Sides of a Coin, so dont miss-out. Just in general, i could say that Unhealthy-Religion like the GOP and Conservatives are a Main-Point-of-Coverage since Forveer for Atheist-KZreadrs in general, and therefore worthy of your Support, but these 2 stick-out, as they have the declared Goal to reduce Hate in the World and inform you while also make you laugh! The new video " Pastor Upset We QUOTED HIM" and the Old, AMAZINGLY FUN Video 'The Great Evangelical Double-Down'

@GodlyDra

Жыл бұрын

@@nenmaster5218 You see, the thing is i run on hatred and spite. Happy and jokey people just irritate me.

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

@@GodlyDra Hbomberguy says the same thing about Himself, so try just ONE of his videos (the one abouut Pick Up Artistry) to see if you like his Style.

@GodlyDra

Жыл бұрын

@@nenmaster5218 I already have, thus why i said what i did. I don’t like his style

"mom, im an atheist" "ok"

@Phoenix_The_HeroHater

4 жыл бұрын

Coumfy Lucky mate

@nicktheswampert1646

3 жыл бұрын

Best case scenario

@maciejjurczak7258

3 жыл бұрын

@@impious4228 lol are you serious? Couse they belive that that person will go to hell because of that

@DaveCM

3 жыл бұрын

Not the reaction I received. My mother blamed it on getting an education

@nicktheswampert1646

3 жыл бұрын

@@maciejjurczak7258 Not all of them do

Their biggest mistake is not leading with the free bread and wine

Your quarantine hair is adorable and everybody sucks

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

4 жыл бұрын

Aww thank you 😊

@farahm7801

4 жыл бұрын

i though the same thing + now he kinda looks like alex from cosmic skeptic

@kevinconrad6156

4 жыл бұрын

@@farahm7801 Only if he dyed it black.

@TheInevitron

4 жыл бұрын

​@MexTaco710All you did was quote lines from a book. If you want to demonstrate that your preferred flavor of magic is real, you need more than words. Words can never be more than claims. Claims need to be supported by evidence. Like every other theist, you have none. Until the day that changes, you will never convince reasonable people.

@funvidman

4 жыл бұрын

@MexTaco710 I think no one is engaging with you because they simply don't believe you were ever an atheist.

If a theist "wins" in a debate with an atheist, they've converted someone to the flock. If a theist "loses" an argument to an atheist, clearly it's a sign from God that they've just confronted Satan and walked away with their faith intact, so they still "won."

@andrewharper1609

4 жыл бұрын

Only in their own mind. Back on planet Earth however...

@wilsons2882

4 жыл бұрын

hey is this cosmic skeptic's other brother from another mother

@drummerboy737

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah thats correct although it's maybe not a direct conflict.

@andrewharper1609

4 жыл бұрын

@@drummerboy737 It's only a conflict if there is in fact a Satan to begin with. Otherwise the theist is just being wrong for the sake of it and is choosing to live in a delusional state of mind.

@drummerboy737

4 жыл бұрын

​@@andrewharper1609 Right so it's possible that the theist is completely in his right mind.

Funny…I grew up in atheis family, become a Christian while studying genetic engineering & working in a lab making gmo trees (Pice glauca for newspaper paper). Your video is spot on. Still annoyed when preacher simply snicker disrespectfully to science.

Thank you for addressing the "spiritual experience" part of christianity. I'm still deconstructing mine but it's still really weak to say "look something you don't understand happened! Therefore everything I want you to believe is true!" That's a big leap.

I love how you say "come out" because although I'm not LGBT so I don't know how they feel exactly - telling my family I don't believe in God really felt like coming out

@Persholm1

2 жыл бұрын

Telling mine was like telling it to a brick wall... they didn't care either or, just said "Good for you". Not in a bad way, I assure you. They would've been fine with either or, and both are atheists.

@wintergray1221

2 жыл бұрын

I'm suppose I'm lucky. I never had to actually say the words. My parents figured it out on their own through discussions and debates we had. They're open-minded enough to accept it for the most part, but they still try to reconvert me from time to time.

@madmantheepic7278

Жыл бұрын

@@wintergray1221 how sweet, they disagreed with your beliefs but doesn’t fuss about it, the occasional reconverting is still better than excommunicating you.

@cass____7907

Жыл бұрын

I can say as someone who has came out three times, informing your religious parents and family that you aren't is pretty similar.

@JuxGD

Жыл бұрын

closets can manifest in many ways in one's life

The idea that ‘he who is not with me is against me’ is so wrong. People wonder why religion is so alienating; it’s because the mindset you’re taught is that anyone who disagrees is the enemy and must be changed in order to become good.

@Augustus-mk1du

2 жыл бұрын

very underrated comment

@Raka-n3t

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry u feel that way. I wish Christians/Muslims/Jews did not treat atheists this way if they want to spread the word of their God. Christian bible says (Jesus) to love others. No one is perfect, but just know that not all Christians are alike…just like atheists. For example. We’re taught homosexuality is a sin, BUT nowhere does it encourage us to mistreat or hate them. That’s not how loving others works. Btw, it doesn’t mean we’re better either…we’re all sinners in a fallen world. Each of us sins everyday. That’s why church is meant to be a hospital for the spiritually weak, not a temple for the spiritually “perfect.” Good luck, and I hope if u run into Christians in the future they’re more understanding next time

@Nixinnuendos

2 жыл бұрын

Its the tribalism that goes with being human

@phoenixc7245

2 жыл бұрын

@@Raka-n3t Jesus was gay though no where in the bible does it say homosexuality is a sin

@amo_res9266

2 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixc7245 stfu ur very disrespectful

“Imagine being told something dozens if not hundreds of times every day for years and then being told completely seriously that you’d never heard that thing before” literally me with ADHD every time someone tells me I should just try using a planner! Or getting up earlier! Or paying more attention! People are so stuck in their own world they often fail to consider that they aren’t a genius with the nugget of knowledge that’s gonna change you. We often fail to consider that maybe we just don’t get it.

Excellent video. These are all things that are taught when learning logical argument philosophy. You must understand a topic in order to argue against it. You can never change someone mind without first listening to them and letting them argue their point.

27 years of going to church 3 days a week, going to nearly 20 years of christian schooling, I've read through the bible more than 100 times but every time I talk to a christian or family they think I'm just ignorant to their views...

@mavrosyvannah

2 жыл бұрын

Fibs.

@reggieb184

2 жыл бұрын

My story is similar, but it's like they think you slept through all of it. No, we payed attention harder. That's why we left.

@n_coder

2 жыл бұрын

@@reggieb184 funny thing is that I would almost sleep during church. Even before I started questioning Christianity, I couldn't properly pay attention to it; 1 hour seemed to pass double the slower. Later, I figured it out: no child will have fun staying sit for an hour and listening to an old man talking about God when they can just spend their energy with something else

@pajamas720

2 жыл бұрын

@@n_coder that would explain why theres so many athiests. Between the crazy stuff in the old testament and the way most preachers rob the novel of all its interesting qualities, its almost like churches are designed to dispell christianity.

@jamesedwards6173

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up in conservative Christianity, though I've been an atheist for many years now. My experience has been that I know more about Christianity than the vast majority of Christians do---and that includes the contents of the Bible, which I think only a tiny fraction of Christians have ever actually read cover to cover. (I have.) I've even had a work colleague who was very active in his church, and who knew I was an atheist (but came from an upbringing in Christianity), come to work one day and ask if I had any suggestions of stories in the Bible that demonstrate faith! lol ... Though there are some options here, I suggested Gideon. He looked at me and asked, "Who?" *facepalm*

Missionaries *always* act like they're giving you new info and that you "really" want to hear it as well as that if you ever do listen that it must be convincing. It's maddening.

@philaypeephilippotter6532

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Look at *Fathom Synth's* attempt to convince me of _creationism_ above.

@YoSpiff

2 жыл бұрын

That's what they are taught. Kinda like many salespeople are taught that if you haven't walked away or hung up on them, then you really are interested, despite what you may say, so they press on with overcoming objections.

@Batman-zi5hh

2 жыл бұрын

Yet they can't backup their claims with proper evidence

Man I was a little concerned when I first saw this pop up on my recommendations but this is actually really nice to hear

So eloquent, I appreciate your arguments.

Hearing about you coming out as an Atheist reminded me of when I came out as the same. I remember my parent's responses well. My Dad said "Wey aye, all religion is bullshit." Found out that day my whole immediate family happened to think the same. Makes me wonder why I went to a Christian school now.

@jessica-vl9nw

3 жыл бұрын

I came out to my husband and my two oldest children recently. My husband was questioning his faith (he is now an atheist) and my two oldest kids were already atheist. I was shocked because I had no clue. I think there are many "closet atheist " out there.

@arson_ruby2403

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex McAuliff that’s pretty much true for “closet” anything though. It’s not about it being “unnatural” it’s about it not being accepted

@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108

3 жыл бұрын

@Alex McAuliff ✨lgbtqia+✨

@coltonjumalon7482

3 жыл бұрын

It’s because people are still under the impression that despite in invalidity of religion, that somehow it still provides morals; which again is a misnomer because they (religion & morals) aren’t mutually exclusive.

@PsychoMuffinSDM

3 жыл бұрын

I was talking to my dad about why he denies agnosticism, and why he believes a god exists. After talking for a while I realized he didn't actually understand the definition, and once I told him what that is, acknowledged he must be agnostic.

One thing I've realized after becoming an atheist who was previously extremely religious is that atheists aren't annoyed by religious people because they are jealous or missing god in their hearts, its because in my experience anyway it is frustrating to see someone become a victim to controlling cult like religions and missing out on life because of it.

@stevengu1253

3 жыл бұрын

They start to attribute everything to God, and then start judging others through this God thing. It's downright very disorienting for me. It's like they surrendered a part of their reasoning and will. I would like to freely decide upon my own actions, not follow the supposed actions of something.

@cooldude6651

3 жыл бұрын

it was the same way with me, it hurts me to see people go through pain and hardship and make it through by their own inner strength and then turn around and say that someone they've never met got them through it.

@timflatus

3 жыл бұрын

Most religions are not cults. Unfortunately cultish behaviour has become normalised in many parts of the world. You got mixed up in a cult. If your religion doesn't enrich your life, sure that's a problem and may explain why these people have a perverse desire to convert others. Surely if your religion was that much fun you'd have people breaking down the doors to get in?

@cooldude6651

3 жыл бұрын

@@timflatus If any religion tries to make rational thought a sin and blind faith a virtue, I consider it a cult. There's no more common a thing for a cult leader to say than to just trust them and let sensible thought fall by the wayside.

@timflatus

3 жыл бұрын

@@cooldude6651 absolutely. The problem is coercive charismatic leadership, which goes well beyond religion.

My mother, til this day, discredits my accomplishments, those “missing my mark” moments, as a plan god setup for me to acknowledge HIS work! Hmmm.🤔

@bull1085

8 ай бұрын

Those situations really piss me off. Especially within the medical profession. Imagine putting all your hard work to save this man’s life and some self-absorbed group comes in and says it was actually the work of their friend. I’ll be just a little upset.

@rodan5052

8 ай бұрын

@@bull1085 absolutely!

Dunno how this vid got recommended to me, but damn am I glad it did! As an agnostic with a strong scientific background but a strong love for religion, the most frustrating thing is when others don't listen and just assume, especially in discussions that have a lot of emotional meaning to one or both parties. This even counts to other discussions, like politics. The world is better off if just people Listen. How can I, firmly un-Christian, have a loving, caring and functioning relationship to my strongly believing wife? It's called listening, understanding and accepting different views. It's not hard, though it requires patience and curiosity. And Compassion. And the compassionate way in which this video is made is exactly how I wished people spoke to those of opposing views. Definitely checking out more of your channel.

Timestamps: #1 - 2:42 : Assuming an atheist thinks like you, but in reverse. #2 - 4:29 : Assuming an atheist has never had a spiritual or religious experience. #3 - 7:11 : Assuming atheists think the way Theologians say they do. #4 - 9:50 : Making arguments or claims without asking questions first.

@kevinquiroz5384

2 жыл бұрын

The fourth one is basically the result of the third one and the cause of the first two

@MatthewChenault

2 жыл бұрын

The second one is a contradiction. How can you have a spiritual or religious experience and still maintain atheism? There is an inherent contradiction unless if you rationalize the thing as not being spiritual or religious at all, which would then be perceived as you lying to yourself or not make the event a spiritual or religious experience anymore. It’s self-contradictory, making it a rubbish point.

@neoqwerty

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewChenault I can answer that, as an atheist (apatheist, to be exact: I don't know and I don't care if there's a god or not, it doesn't change me and what I do): I had a moment where I basically met a hippie dude who encouraged me to "connect back with nature" (and crashed the zen moment I had with the solo of Knights of Cydonia but I forgave that) and to do meditation stuff. Dude preached about "finding Jesus through nature and contemplating how marvelous and beautiful the world is" and I admit, there was a really magical moment where I was staring at the lake just the right way and the sun over the waves in my half-closed eyes looked like thousands of sparkling stars. I felt the most ironclad, peaceful calm I ever had and I still bring that state of mind back up when I do my meditations. I don't believe I found Jesus or anything, but I did have something that I'd consider transcendent. If I was inclined toward Bhuddism I guess I'd say that the barriers between mortal self and the universe wavered a bit. Still didn't make me anything but an apatheist, though. But it was nice and I hope nature jesus guy's well wherever he is now.

@MatthewChenault

2 жыл бұрын

@@neoqwerty, the problem is you’re not an Atheist, which you do admit. You’re closer to being agnostic (I.e. you don’t know God exists or not) than an Atheist (I.e. denying the existence of God outright). An Atheist, in your position, would downplay and outright dismiss the spiritual experience as simply a trick of their mind or as absolute nonsense, since it would contradict their atheism if they were to have a spiritual/religious experience of that type. This is why it’s an inherently contradictory idea for an Atheist to admit to having a religious experience of that type while still maintaining their atheism.

@stevenredpath9332

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewChenault he’s using the language he’s familiar with. As an atheist I have had profound and deeply introspective movements. They are not spiritual to me because I don’t use that terminology. I use the language that fits and no religious terminology is ended.