You’re the best cartridge comparison channel out there. Your vids never disappoint

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@hantus77

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hello Ron 8.6BLK cartridge designed by Q that also designed 300BLK. A 12.5" barrel, 1in3 twist, 210 to 300 grain subsonic in a 338 Suppressor could be a nice hunting rifle within 300 yards. Could see this in the new CZ 600 Trail Rifle See this Kudu Hunt in South Africa kzread.info/dash/bejne/kXdqqK2EqJTKj5s.html

@itzluke2252

2 жыл бұрын

Another good channel is Backfire

@egyptianredneck4765

2 жыл бұрын

@@itzluke2252 not really a big fan of that one they come off as snobs to me just not my kind of people

@stephenkennedy3145

2 жыл бұрын

@@egyptianredneck4765 sgree

I am a huge fan of the 35 Whelen as it has never failed me here in Alaska for over 50 years. That said the original Alaska big game guide, Hal Waugh, used a 375 H&H that was re-chambered to 375 Weatherby. Hal claimed no bear ever needed a second dose of Big Nan as he called his rifle. Big Nan is the most famous rifle in Alaska history for a reason. I am pretty sure Hal did not do a lot of long range shooting as Big Nan has iron sites on it. Close work was what it was built for.

I own a Ruger m77 in 338 and an A bolt in 375.... I've personally used them both in Alaska... I tend to use the 338 more, but I don't feel a disadvantage with either caliber.... But great comparison.

With today's solid bullets like Barnes X, I wouldn't be afraid to hunt anything with a 338WIN MAG. Shot placement is what counts, as you said.

@Ron-Swanson

2 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@MIDNIGHTSUNALASKA

Жыл бұрын

With that Barnes’ TTSX’s out of my 270 Winchester I get complete penetration here in Alaska on big bulls… my buddy runs a 25-06 pushing 80 grain TTSX’s with the same results.

@MIDNIGHTSUNALASKA

Жыл бұрын

Right On.! Speaking of 338, specifically the Win Mag, I really like it’s performance on big game. When I built a 358-WSM on a short action I did so with the goal of meeting or exceeding the 338’s level of performance. …it would push 225 grain SAF’s to 2930 fps and would consistently cluster 5 into the .300’s. It pounded Moose. Then I started running lighter and faster with TTSX’s and found I like that particular tool a lot better.

@nayrapepenova9325

2 ай бұрын

338 win mag is still a stopping cartridge look it up. It's designers had in mind for it to be a stopping cartridge as it was still designed directly off the 375 h&h.

Always wanted to try the .358 Norma. Would love to see a video! Maybe .338 vs 8mm vs .358 Norma at 2800 fps or so. Sounds interesting to me anyway!!

Mr. Spomer you've moved to the top of my list because of your lack of snobbery, and your good balance between ballistics and actual harvesting of game animals. A couple of years ago I was shopping for another 300 Win Mag, one that would be more weather resistant, online at my favorite supplier. I'd had several Savage rifles to pass through my "arsenal." They were all decently accurate but lacking in other areas, especially triggers. I really liked what I'd learned about the Savage Bear Hunter, and for some reason the .338 in the same rifle was $200 cheaper than any of the other calibers at Bud's. I purchased one and after shooting it a few times I traded away my Model 70 in .375 H&H.

Hi Ron. Very nice video. It puts the different roles and attributes of the 338 Win Mag and the 375H&H into perspective. I live in South Africa, own a 375H&H and have shot some very big dangerous animals where the 375 is the minimum calibre. That is really the difference, the 375H&H is primarily a dangerous game / mega fauna and then a general purpose hunting rifle whereas the 338 Win mag is an outstanding long distance big game rifle (not megafauna) which can do the job of putting incapacitating big aggressive animals under eg., a 1000kg weight class. So definitely for American and most African game it is the superior all round choice. I and other people I have hunted with have found that the 250gr and 270gr Barnes TSX probably make the best all round bullets for general hunting up to the size of blue wildebeest and eland downloaded to about 2300ft/s for the bushveld. I also have a 256gr cast load at 2100 which works really well up to 170m. No need for the extra recoil. For plains game I use a 200gr bullet at 2900ft/s with a suppressor. I have two interchangeable scopes on QD rings so I can switch backwards and forwards, The blue wildebeest has a peculiar anatomy in regard to the shape and position of the spine. Its quite possible your hunting partner just caught the top of the spine and you shot above it.

@davidstickler2709

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you and identify the size animal along with realist range for terrain that’s the key. Big bullets for heavy game with plenty of powder and penetration. Long distance in open areas please don’t shoot huge game animals. Plains game take 338 or 300 mags no problem. I don’t agree with people like to shoot small caliber bullets at high speed ( as is if dealing miles/km per gallon). Again if eating the animal is of importance the heavy bullet doesn’t destroy the edible meat. So for real hunters again the large bullet performs better you just need to get closer to the animal and that’s called hunting😎

@nayrapepenova9325

5 ай бұрын

Let's not also forget that 375 h&h isn't all that much more powerful than a .338 winchester magnum. Slightly more powerful yes. But like you said .338 win mag is meant for for different purposes and is a longer range rifle.

You have the comforting manner of everyone's favorite uncle Sir. The fact you display encyclopedic knowledge to go along with it keeps us coming back for more. God Bless you!

No incoming fire from me Ron, a very balanced presentation and the numbers don’t lie. I was surprised that the 338 Win Mag caught up to the 375 in energy after just 125 yards and the 375 was 50 grains heavier! I heard a lot of good things about the 338 Win Mag and you just proved it. Thanks Ron for another great presentation. 👍

Nice comparison video. A comparison between the 270 gr bullet in the 375 H&H with the 250 gr bullet in the 338 Win Mag might have been a better comparison because the velocities would be about the same, as well as the bullet weights. When I was looking for my "Do Everything, Anywhere, Any animal, Any terrain" rifle, I started looking for the 338 win mag but could not find one for a long time. One day during my routine gun shop visits, I spied a Browning A-Bolt in stainless, 26" bbl, open sights, and synthetic stock in 375 H&H, and grabbed it, put a Leupold 2.5 x 7 scope on it and proceeded to knock the stuffing out of anything that got in it's way(Barnes 270 TSX @ 2,800 fps). Never recovered a bullet and never had to track anything. I'm also sure the same would be for the win mag. A 250 gr bullet through the shoulder means the hunts over no matter what critter it is. I think I got a little velocity gain with the 26" tube. If it were 24", I'd be in the same velocity zone as the win mag. The 375 H&H with that load smashes through both elk shoulders effortlessly and pole-axes even the biggest deer. BTW, you never mention what bullets you were using or velocities on those fails. What bullet you're using for what task is a HUGE factor in lethal performance. I don't think there's a wrong answer as to which one is better.

I killed a lot of game here in Alaska I definitely see a difference between the 338 and 30 cal. Magnums

@s.wvazim6517

10 ай бұрын

Let us know the differences 😊

@stevewilson6937

10 ай бұрын

@@s.wvazim6517 338 just seems to puts a lot morel energy on target I like my 300s and 3006s and they work but if I’m picking a fight with a grizzly I’d rather have a 338

@s.wvazim6517

10 ай бұрын

@@stevewilson6937 just seen 22plinkster shoot a bison wish he got the memo on energy on target.!!!!ammo must be cheep in usa

Your the last word on real world cartridge performance Ron. And you dispense your knowledge with modesty and entertaining and informative anecdotes. We all really appreciate your work. No question the .338 win mag is the better performing cartridge in nearly all instances.

Ron, I’m a new gun owner and I just have to tell you that your information is great. Thank you for all of the info you provide. P.S. I went elk hunting in Colorado with my nephew in November and he lung shot a elk with a 338, it got about 15 feet before dropping dead. It was my first hunt and I went as an observer, it was a real adventure.

I just love the 338 Win Mag. with proper shot placement it hits like the hammer of Thor and anchors them in place. with this you are not under gunned for any North American big game. As always great review and comparison.

I've used the 338 win mag and a 375 ruger for hunting and i haven't noticed any difference in "knockdown power" as some people will say. I believe it's all about what you are most comfortable with and what you can shoot the most accurate.

@bradyelich2745

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can take my .303 or .308 and no problem in NA. I know a .243 can take all NA game.

@jasoncastle4818

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed 100%. !!

@Ron-Swanson

2 жыл бұрын

@@bradyelich2745 you speak the truth, get ready for no nothing Internet experts to dog pile you lol.

@Ron-Swanson

2 жыл бұрын

I bet you notice the difference at the shoulder lol

In my dream bucket list of rifles for my next life is the .300 H and H magnum, the 250-3000 Savage Model 99, and the .257 Roberts in a pre-'64 Model 70. All for hunting at the ranch in central Montana, where we got it done with the Model-70 .30-06 during this lifetime. But the 300 H and H would be perfect for our terrain and I love that long, sloped shoulder for ease of feeding. Great work, Ron, as always.

Great video, thanks Ron. I grew up in Alaska and I've learned that bullet placement is everything, next to a good quality bonded bullet.

Love the videos Ron. I can’t wait until we see one on the 8mm Mag. I am lucky enough to have one and hand load for it. It is a beast and I think it can take any game in the world. Very powerful.

I've been a "medium" bore enthusiast for around 4 decades. I believe one should be very adept with their choice of weapon therefore "practice". I own a custom 1917 Enfield in .375 Ackley Improved and two .338 Winchester bolt rifles. People always seem a bit shocked at my choice of weapon when they see me hunting/shooting Jack Rabbits, Rock Chucks etc. with those two cartridges. Three favorite bullets I reload (I've never shot factory ammo) for the .338 are the 210 grain Nosler Partition, 250 grain Nosler partition and the 275 Grain Speer Semi Spitzer. The speer is no longer made but it is the most dynamite like killer of all these bullets. I feel that this effect is because of bullet construction. The 275 gr. has a SD of .348 and the jacket is quite thin. When Speer discontinued making this bullet I bought as many as I could. The reason I love it is because the performance at moderate range on elk size animals. I've never had a 275gr exit an elk but every single one I've shot dropped in their tracks. I feel the explosive bullet construction in this case is the bottom line. Both the 210 and 250 gr. Nosler partitions have never stopped in the body cavity of any elk, deer or anything else I've harvested. Both the Noslers are great killers, just not as dramatic as the heavy Speer. One needs to consider likely range, animal construction etc to choose bullets and cartridges. My .375 Ackley Improved is a dramatic cartride also but bullet choice is as important as the .338 Win. In my experience (lots) hunting with my .375 it can be quite "complacent" where game performance is concerned or as above resembling "dynamite". Bullet construction is paramount to the overall effect on different species of game or even rocks. Both the .338 and .375 cartridges have an abundance of bullet weights and constructions which helps both classes of cartridges be so diverse in their respective desired uses. My .375 loaded with a Speer 235gr Semi Spitzer at over 3,000fps is a total explosive bomb. For long range elk, my rifle chronographs 2969 fps with the Nosler 260 gr boat tail Accubond. For tougher game or close range elk the 300gr Nosler boat tail Accubond or the 300 gr Nosler Partition Spitzer. Both the .338 and the .375 can be exactly what one wants if you choose an appropriate projectile. Bullets for the handloader in .338 span from 180gr to 300gr. Bullets for the handloader of the .375 span from 235gr to a massive 350 gr. Rabbits to elephants? Yep...

I have had that happen at least once with every single rifle I own. I have noticed rifles that are 2800 fps. or slower at the muzzle, tend to favor a softer more expansive bullet. The Nosler Partitions seem to be the best of both worlds, I think most if not all of the offerings of a 375 H&H are at 2800 fps. or slower so, I think swift bullets should be saved for buffalo on up., but even then some animals do not wish to die at times. Great Show.

@hillbillyscholar8126

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to hear your stories! Do you upload to the site? Please share!

@TeensierPython

2 жыл бұрын

I think the sweet spot for most modern cartridges is 2800fps. I tend to pick a bullet in the weight that gets me around 2800fps for that specific cartridge.

@tonycollinsworth7393

Жыл бұрын

Weather living in Alaska for 35 years and having numerous close encounters some closer than others I have to say I went towards a 375 H&H shot placement sounds great when you’re on a bench rest and haven’t been working your tail off trying to get to where you can get a shot when you’re out of breath shaky and weak it’s nice to have that extra

Good stuff (as always). It brings back memories of a friend that hunted a deer around 20 years ago. He had a 375 HH that he wanted to use, so he found some 180 grain pointy plastic tip bullet that just throttled that deer. Wow!

@edoellien239

2 жыл бұрын

I like using my 375 H&H on whitetails. The 235 Speer does pretty good.

Ron is the goat. I think he has some of the best cartridge analysis on KZread. Examines physics and combines it with lots of field experience. What a guy

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Aw shucks, thanks David. I try to keep it real and avoid the hype.

Me and my uncle Jim were Kodiak Bear hunting Alaska in 19-06. We had a small guide Ron was his name. Ron carried a small .22 Mag 2” snub nose revolver as a guide gun. I was carrying a .375 H&H and Jim was carrying a .338 WM. After hiking for 12 days and 2 nights we found the biggest bear I have ever seen! We spooked him in the brush at about 10 yards! The bear spun around and stood nearly 19’ tall. Me and Jim fired shot after shot as he charged us. However neither of us ever hit the bear trying to hip fire quickly under stress we had never anticipated. The big bear knocked us down and suddenly we heard a pop and the 3,800 pound bear fell dead just between Jim and I. Our eyes were quickly drawn to a figure hovering above us. It was Ron with his .22WMR who had put a point blank round to the head and dropped the bear with a single shot. Jim and I were injured knowing we would have to wait days for rescue we ate Ron and blamed it on the bear. I still have the towering mount in my living room. Still brings a tear to my eye.

Thanks Ron for the update, great job on that,I love to hear the pros and cons,Have a great day all.

I'd love to see a video about the 370 sako sometime, the cartridge always interested me. Man I really enjoy listening to Ron talk about cartridges and past hunts and even though I have no use for any rifle over a 30-06 the big rifles of Alaska and Africa are still very interesting to me.

Love your vids ron. My favourite part is you don’t glorify and promote match projectiles and always recommend proper hunting projectiles. Too many people don’t understand the importance of projectiles and think BC is all that matters

Hi Ron , I own both calibers but I have also not been able to drop antelope first time with the .338 Win Mag. I believe it has to do with shot placement , muzzle velocity ,terminal velocity and also the type of bullet one uses for the hunt. I love both these calibers . For longer shots I will prefer to use the 0.338win . The .338 Win can also perform well in the bush ( less than 200 m shots ) using 275 gr swift bullets . I recommend you read the book “African Rifles” by John Taylor who has hunted most African game including the big 5 . This makes very interesting reading as he expresses his view on the .375 H&H after using this rifle on almost all African game including the big 5.

Comparing equal sectional density of bullets across calibers the .338 Winchester Magnum and 7mm/.284 Remington Magnum penetrated the deepest of all. Bob Hagel claimed using Nosler Partion version's of the above calibers the depth of over three feet was expected. An expanding bullet having that pedigree in Hagel's time was mind bending. Solids in either would drop elephant using frontal brain shots.

Really like your take on rifle cartridges and bullets. Keep up the fantastic reviews

I thank you I was looking at buying a 375mag ,I already own the 338lapua magnum,you just saved me 3k

Another excellent presentation! Comparing the 375H&H and 338WM reminds me of 300 Win Mag vs 7mm Rem Mag. Never count out the smaller guy...

@garyedwards278

2 жыл бұрын

You are correct, but I must add the real difference is usually shot placement and bullet construction for the purpose intended. I've shot varmints with a Hornady 110gr spirpoint out of a 300Win at 3700fps and the results were very impressive but would never use that load on edible game. I've seen the 300Sav take down elk and the old 30-30 take moose. Stay within the limits of whatever you choose and use the right bullet and distance for the job.

@406MountainMan

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyedwards278 I agree 100% with the notion that shot placement and the appropriate bullet is paramount.

Great video I always enjoy your cartridge comparisons you reminded me I have a 375 H&H Wayback in my safe I also have a lead 300 gr. mold in these times when it cost so much to shoot I'm going to cast some bullets and enjoy the 375 H&H thank you

You are a very brave man. Putting on a red flannel shirt and venturing into the KZread thicket for this one. "Be very very quiet, I'm hunting trolls." I have both of them and like both of them but I tend to use the .338 more. The barrel of the .375 just reminds me too much of swinging an iron pipe around. The .338 seems like a little bit smaller piece of iron pipe. Anyhow, as always, great video. Thanks for sharing it!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John.

Thanks Ron😁 You do a great job in communicating!

I think you do a phenomenal job! Thanks for all you do!

Great video. Ultimately, the uncertainty resulting from a very small sample size. Calibers that doesn't kill what they are supposed to does not sell for 100 years

Lived in AK for 20 years and specialized in Brown Bear hunting. I used a 338 WM...for all game in AK...love the cartridge. My hunting partner used a 375 H&H. Both of us took Brown Bears, but the 338 is a bit more accurate, especially at distance. Thanks for the comparison - love your videos. You are correct that the 338 is extremely positive in AK.

Your videos are just amazing! Thank you for everything you have done, and thank you for sharing your knowledge!

Great stuff Ron! Love my .338 win. I'd certainly carry a .338 win with hard bonded, partition, or mono bullets for protection when expecting shots under 100 yards. With the BC craze for longer shots and softer bullets, you need to run the numbers on the .338 win with the 265 ABLR at 2700 fps. Perhaps it'd be a good one for elk, but I was surprised when I plugged them into my ballistics program at the energy numbers the little win mag can deliver with that ABLR. It makes those energy numbers you show in your comparison child's play. Such a versatile round the .338 win mag is.

@Ron-Swanson

2 жыл бұрын

My 338 win mag with a high BC and a gilding bullet takes big game over 400 yards like a champ while still making me feel very comfortable in rugged grizzly territory.

Thank you, Mr. Spomer for yet another great, and DESIRED video. It reminds me of your comparison video on the 375 H&H and 30-06. It was mainly about the versatility of the ‘06 but I digress. What a great triumvirate of cartridges. And I’m glad you’ve covered them well. I’m looking forward to your video on the 8mm Rem Mag. It’s one I’ve felt interest in since the mid ‘80s. But never enough to really buy one. Hopefully in the that video you’ll cover a bit of the 325 WSM which I very much enjoy owning. Take care and I hope you, the Mrs and Covey are doing well

I really like watching your videos. A ton of information and knowledge. Appreciate you making them.

so much information and history in 28 minutes, thank you for this post

You hit the nail on the head, Ron. Those are big, heavy bullets with a lot of energy and penetrating ability, but if you’re hitting animals at speeds under 2600fps, the bullet lacks the shock effect that contribute heavily to DRT kills.

I love your pod cast's and the amount of information's is fantastic. Now that we are on the topic of sheer thump and shock in the right dosage it occurred to me that for some reason the .416 Rigby just kicks some major tail on both of these cartridges when it come to explosive damage. Just seems to be the right weight and balance :) Off topic I know but well there it is. Thank you so much and I look forward to more. Wishing you the best always, :)

I made my way through most of the medium bores and kinda always fell back to the 9.3x62 and 35 Whelen. Then again I've never hunted the Dark Continent either

@gerry6.8

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, although I would like to still try a 338 WM.

@williammcclelland6789

2 жыл бұрын

@Paul You sir are speaking my language.

@robertfree1908

2 жыл бұрын

Long live the medium bores

@Spruce-Bug

2 жыл бұрын

I took a buck with a 286gr Barnes TSX with my 9.3. Cleanest shot I've ever seen.

@williammcclelland6789

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spruce-Bug I know that the long range small bores are all the rage these days but in my humble opinion, nothing plows through big game like heavy medium bores at moderate velocity.

Your vids are by far my absolute favorites, you make the most educational and entertaining content out here right now! Really great stuff, in addition to your experience you just let the numbers and common sense do the talk and it convinces me every time. I was in a discussion regarding the recoil beetween the 338 Win Mag and the 375 H&H, and to my suprise most people clearly favored what they claimed was the lesser recoil in the 375 H&H. Now I know the numbers tell us that the 338 Win Mag has lesser recoil, so I startet asking about their rifle weights, gunstock design and what kinds of loads they where using. Turns out that almost every single 338-hunter i talked to chose a light rifle and really heavy loads right up there at max to get that extra range, trajectory and energy. I have learned over the years that if recoil is an issue the numbers can only tell that much. The real issue is when people choose a hard-hitter in a light rifle (wich a lot of 338-hunter does), I would rather go for the 416 Rigby in a heavy rifle with a straight stock and thick butt than a light-weighted 338. As always a great video!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Right you are, Ben. Stock shape and rifle weight make a big difference in felt recoil. Thanks!

Fantastic video Ron! I was going to suggest a video on the 8mm RM, and maybe cover some of it's offspring...and then you said you would be! Looking forward to seeing that in the future.

Even though I’m more of a long range precision shooter than a hunter I absolutely your channel and discussion on rifle cartridge ballistics. Good job brother.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Parr53.

Awesome Ron and good timing too. I was just about ready to pull the trigger on a .375 h&h , I am thinking differently now. Thanks!

@williambarnes4612

2 жыл бұрын

I think you should get both of them,life is short enjoy!

@gunman-6646

2 жыл бұрын

@@williambarnes4612 you are right. Maybe I will get both, I just keep getting older and grouchier.

@yeetyeet8365

2 жыл бұрын

I just got the Weatherby 378. 375 on steroids and problem solved. Hmmm

@yeetyeet8365

2 жыл бұрын

@@gunman-6646 378 Weatherby

@gunman-6646

2 жыл бұрын

@@yeetyeet8365 good choice, I didn't think of that one.

Hitting us again with some classic cartridges that we all need to know more about. We lose track of some of the greats as we look at the new hyper long distance cartridges and it's unfortunate. 338 Winchester and 375 h&hare still two of the greatest cartridges of all time rocking big dangerous game and also on my bucket list

I think Ron was correct in his theory about appropriate bullet selection with the .375. I've come to think the .375 is often paired with inappropriately hard bullets for thin skinned game because people perceive it as being so powerful it couldn't fail (and therefore don't select an appropriate bullet). It reminds me of how the 7mm rem mag got a bad reputation because it would often be paired with bullets that were to soft for its velocity (the opposite of the .375). Although I think the .375 amazing it has built up such a mystic reputation that people have begun to treat it as if it isn't just a regular rifle cartridge, and therefore don't take the same amount care for bullet selection and shot placement as they would with a .300, .338, etc.

@hillbillyscholar8126

2 жыл бұрын

I might be treading on thin ice but I think the .375 is best with bullets using older technology. Partitions, Silvertips and Interlocks here in North America for most big game.

Im glad that you mentioned the barnes X bullet. It is absolutely the bullet that all of of the other manufacturers are now trying to emulate. It offers the best of both worlds, a hollowpoint for rapid, instantaneous opening and energy transfer, as well as a large mushroom , partition style body ,...that allows for super deep penetration. Absolutely love that bullet!!!

Excellent video! My vote would be for the cartridge you mentioned at the end of your video that’s sits right between those two and doesn’t receive enough credit the 358 Norma Magnum

Excellent channel. I know the rage today is to shoot game with smaller bullets in small cases with high BCs, but I still have a deep love for the big guns. I don't shoot game at extreme ranges, so the ultra high BC hybrid bullets aren't generally what I would use. For the most part, I prefer controlled expansion bullets. I'm buying boxes of 6.5×284 Norma loaded with 156 grain Oryx bullets by the car load, cause it's such an outstanding hunting bullet. Ditto for the 170 grain 7mm Oryx bullets. But I also have quite a lot of the old school Hornady Interlock bullets for the 270 Win and '06s. I love the .338 caliber for hunting big, heavy game. The 33 cal cartridges are tailor-made for elk hunting. I have a .338 Win Mag that I quite like, and I plan on adding its big cousin, the .340 Weatherby Magnum, to the stable. I also really like the 35, 36, and 37 calibers. I'm probably one of the few hunters in North America who went out and bought a 370 Sako Magnum(9.3×66). I think it's a great cartridge, and I can't wait to take it on safari in Africa. I actually prefer it to the mighty .375 H&H Magnum, as it's a bit more pleasant to shoot. And the sectional density on 9.3mm bullets is impressive.

Death in the long grass...definitely has been my all time favorite read. Literally have read it over 100 times.

hey Ron I'm building a .375 ruger on a Winchester model 70 post 64 push feed action that is currently chambered in 7mm rem mag. I already placed a order for a 20 inch light Palma contour barrel with a brake from McGowen barrels, and have already purchased a barrel vise a action wrench multiple calipers and go no go gauges I believe I told you a few months ago when I was still doing research and you told me to keep you updated also love your channel I watch every video you post, I'm only 25 but I was the kid that was always at home reading old jack O'Connor and Ron spomer articles.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Making progress! Cant' wait to hear about the finished rifle. Good luck Joe.

I have a .375 Ruger, my brother has a .338 WM. I was considering getting something in the 33 family for longer range. But looking into it, with Barnes data, the .375 Ruger is lethal to 575 yards (maximum range to keep minimum velocities for the bullets). It still retains over 2,000 FT-Lbs at 500 yards, though my planned maximum is 400 yards for moose, where it's still holding onto almost 2,500 FT-Lbs. I doubt it would bounce off of an elk either. I was honestly looking at the 8mm Rem mag at one point. But the lack of rifles and bullets took care of that.

Can't wait for the 8mm Mag discussion. Too bad it is obscure. I have to handload mine but it really performs (on both ends!) Love the videos Ron, great work.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael

Interesting take, I like it. Now the 8mm rem mag packs a punch on the shooter. Fun rifle to shoot

@garyedwards278

2 жыл бұрын

I have wondered about the 8RM but the lack of bullet selection and expense and availability pushed my choices to the 300Win and 338WM which are very available, proven,cheaper and all three will do pretty much the same at reasonable distances with my nod going to the 338WM if I planed on going to Alaska for brown bear or Africa.

You are correct about the solar plexus. I like to refer to it as an "off switch". Every deer I have shot with my 243 win has dropped on the spot with this shot. Everyone likes heart shots because it pumps the blood out. I've seen deer pump most of the blood out of its body and still run from what I believe is adrenaline. That's why I prefer the high shoulder. I aim just above the shoulder blade and sometimes a little back and it never fails. As Barry from Moss Pawn once said, " It's like blowing out a birthday candle, instant death".

I appreciate the book link. It's a bit too expensive for me at the moment, but still, it's always nice to see hunting books preserved in the digital format, It seems we need more of that. For clarification, physical copies are not convenient for me since I live in Brazil.

Your logic, ideas and conclusions make perfect sense, Ron. Great video. Too many hunters do go afield not knowing how ammo and firearm characteristics they take with them can be expected to perform. I believe it's a gun so it will work as it has worked for others is the mode of thinking here. A rather simple mistake but it can be the difference in a humane kill or losing game. Looking forward to the next video.

Alaska here and I love my 338 win mag. Its beautiful 🙂

I sit at work and enjoy these videos

Thank you Ron for another great video. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the .358 Norma. I have heard about it, but I have never seen one in the flesh.

@garyedwards278

2 жыл бұрын

I used to want one when I was much younger and that cartridge was fairly new but as I got older and saw what was popular and available (and much cheaper), I went with the 300Win and 338WM and was never disappointed with either. For heavy/dence/timber where 100yrds would be a very long shot I would either choose between a 300SAV 30-30, or 44M Revolver. By the way. I still wouldn't mind a 358NM if the bullet companies would start making quality ammunition at a reasonable price, but in all honesty it won't do anything that the 375H&H doesn't already do for a fraction of the cost and availability.

@williammcclelland6789

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyedwards278 My woods rifle is in 35 Whelen which quickly became my favorite. I also take along a TC Contender in 44 mag. Whichever one I grab for the day depends on my mood. For the wide open spaces, I tried the 270 Win for a couple of years then sold it; still not exactly sure why. Replaced it with a 300 Win Mag and that one has been with me ever since. Still there is something about 35 calibers that does something for me. If I could find one with a little more reach than my beloved Whelen, it would join my Whelen and my Marlin levergun in 35 Rem and form a trinity that I would be satisfied with the rest of my life.

@garyedwards278

2 жыл бұрын

@@williammcclelland6789 for a time there was a 358Western that was based on the 375H&H case that resembles the 416Rem necked down to 358 but it also didn't catch on. The 358NM is still a wonderful cartridge but it seems to be looking for a need to fill. On second thought it might have been called the 358Alaskan.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

You may be thinking of Layne Simpson's 358 Shooting Times Alaskan, a Rem. 8mm Magnum necked up to .357

@williammcclelland6789

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Sounds like an awesome round.

The great communicator at work again… Never gets old !

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Ah shucks. Many thanks flyonbyya.

My favorite 375 bullet is the Sierra 300 BTSP which has a BC of .475-.480 so it shoots flatter than most pills available for the caliber. It's a tough bullet but will expand decently, but of course is WAY more bullet than is optimal for smaller animals such as deer where you don't need maximum penetration and would be better off with more expansion in a lighter bullet at higher velocity. I think it's all about shot placement and when hunting and you can choose your shot...the smaller calibers w/lighter bullets are the better choice. But in a defensive role you often won't have the option of choosing your shot....it's trying to hurt you so you take what you have which might not be an optimal angle and need maximum penetration to be effective. This type of bullet will of course be compromised on a perfect non-emergency shot so bullet selection is most important depending on what you're wanting to do. The Sierra 300 works very well from all accounts with good expansion yet deep penetration so I'd consider it a good 'all around' bullet. Lighter more fragile options exist and would likely work better on lighter game, but if you only can take one bullet...the Sierra is a good one. Oh...one more thing to mention: it seems that even thought the maximum pressures for 375 are close to the 338....I believe that most ammo companies consider that these very well might be used in Africa in very hot conditions as well as needing to extract perfectly due to the possibility of dangerous game usage so the actual loaded pressures aren't pushed to the redline. The 338's will be a bit hotter in most loadings which narrows the gap and you really can't go wrong with either if you choose the proper projectile for the job at hand.

@JJGuccione

2 жыл бұрын

In my opinion, it's better for the bullet to pass thru both lungs and leave a gaping exit wound. Similar to a soldier's dreaded sucking chest wound. Without differential pressure, the diaphragm can't operate. A gaping hole equalizes pressure and the diaphragm is inoperative. Think of your hands on a bellows to stoke a fire. A bellows can still operate with a small hole in it. With a huge hole, it cannot retain the air it is attempting to draw and push; it's no longer sealed. With all that said, please feel your ribs. How much meat are you actually sacrificing? Good and safe hunting to you and yours.

@patcady310

2 жыл бұрын

Sierra 300 gr sbt tends to shed its core far too early i really don't like to use them

Great video! You can't go wrong with with either of the three!!

Hi Rob, good explanation again. It will always go down to the right bullet, the right weight and right speed for the job. Big animals need penetration and small animal more impact. What I mean is solide and Aframe bullet work as a drill for thick skin and heavy muscles and as a hammer for strong very bones. Bullet for small and medium game should expand to dump energy so the transfer of that energy creates a shock to damage soft tissue, to impact blade streams and nerve systems.

I LOVE your channel Ron!!! It's my anxiety medication!!

When the 338 RUM came out I was working at a gunshop and had one put together on a Ruger #1 action I had. I've done a lot of load development and shot a 6 point bull with it, but if I had it to do over again I'd done a 336-06 Improved. Comes pretty close to the Win Mag and wouldn't kill on both ends like that RUM.

I have fired both and was duly impressed with both. Neither really recoiled as bad as I had been long led to believe. I can't justify owning either, because I just don't hunt any place with game that demand either. I doubt a .30-06 with 180s or 200 grain premium bullets will ever be not enough for me.

Solar plexus, home to the autonomic nervous system. Those systems that are somewhat automatic. Breathing, heartbeat, a host of others, hit that, it's a disruptive event. Good info Ron, thanks.

Great call Ron !

Never seen a bad video love your channel 375 is the best rainy day deer gun I’ve ever used no tracking required 😂 all about shot placement

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob.

I own and like a .375 hh but found this video very informative.

You do a great job showing the true facts based on the ballistics " that are proven to be correct" I have hunted in the past and I shot a 220 pound wild boar with a medium 240 grain bullet at 33 yards with a 44 mag. He did not move after the first shot "broke the shoulder and pierced both lungs . My point of my discourse, you never know" I very much enjoy your expertise on this subject

I got a Ruger Hawkeye Safari in 338wm and would hate to part with it. Is just a lovely shooting and lovely looking rife. And with a muzzle break, it is very mild on recoil. Great video!

You are on to reality, Mr. Spomer. The "stopping power" or "dropping game" is mostly stories. Reality means the game sometimes tries to make an escape.

Very informative love the knowledge you have

Shot a 338 win mag for years, put down many moose and deer. I shoot a 340 weatherly mag now love it as well, it is an amazing cartridge.

I shot several game with 8x57, 3006 and 375. It's all about the bullet and of course if you hit spine or bone. After several years they are all excellent. In 375 I use the game king,in 3006 I used norma oryx but changed it to a copper bullet (barnes). The best shots will make the game run 20-50meters, a pure shot in the lungs with little damage on the meat. You're the best Ron! Greetings from a cold forrest in Sweden with my 375 ruger 1 as companion

Wow, speaking of great books, if anyone has not read "The Man Eaters of Tsavo," then that has GOT to be their next purchase. GREAT adventure novel! And true story too!

Love your work Sir. I read what was a half true book about the combat in Vietman and he talked about how NO one , survided a .51 hit. A field deployment of men, called to look for the hive in the hills found it. The big Texan, some time blasted the M60 down into the gloom, to stop further men going there. He was shipped out for a minor wound and hit by a .51 after getting almost away. He was given the best avaiable treatment but didn't survive. Big bullets do work. Maybe handlaods and better bulets will help the .375?

I really think the bullet more than the cartridge was causing your problems that you talked about. I say this only because as you described the shots weren’t that far and the shot placement was good, so given that the 375 H&H is more than adequate. I do find the comparison very interesting and agree (based on this info) the 338 Win mag is maybe a better choice. At least for North American game. I wouldn’t have thought that before seeing this, so thanks!

Great book! Capstick is a great author.

Congratulations u r the greatest off em all I just love ur videos blessings to u Ron ⭐️

Good video Ron. Someone has got to do some more work with the 375 Ruger and the 416 Ruger in that vain too. I've read several article's, but there's just not much for commercial rifles in other brand's with the Ruger cartridges and your charts are fabulous by the way. Looking forwards to more on the 338's and 35's. Thank you! 👍

Talking about heavy bullets in hunting calibers! Good analysis, Ron!

That's a very nice rifle! Would be also interesting to have a review on the 8mm rem mag.

@Ron-Swanson

2 жыл бұрын

Never a popular cartridge since 8mm rem mag did nothing that existing cartridges couldn’t do already with shorter actions and less recoil, not to mention it is not legal for big African game like Buffalo

Ron, you are so awesome. Great report.

I'm glad you mentioned the 9.3x62.

Ron-thanks for this. I’ve not hunted in Alaska but have a number of friends who live there. Their favourite defensive and hunting weapon is a Marlin in .45-70. They would say there are a number of cartridges that will answer the call but they will quickly say that their comfort level is far higher if they’re carrying a .45-70. I’d like to see you do a comparison between Garrett’s Hammerheads and other makes. He guarantees his Hammerheads to penetrate 7 feet of animal.

ALL of what you are saying hit me directly (and personally) in 1994, during a trophy whitetail hunt with a friend who is also a veteran (as am I). We were on a large opening lane, mountains to our east and west. About 500-meters apart, during our scouting, we'd chosen our hunting positions, agreed on fields of fire, even agreed on where we'd park at and hike up from (to prevent spooking any 'herds' that might be up in there at that time of year...as traffic seemed quite-heavy). So, opening day, we're on the location, taken our positions...maybe an hour prior to first-light...just to make sure that if any were moving or 'spooked' during our arrival, they had time to calm down. Dawn light started...and at first, I thought I was looking at a small yearling...until he moved his head. A SOLID 12-point, possibly more...I gently flicked the safety off...tracking him in my scope...he's about 100-meters from me, but he's 'spooky', for sure. He's RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME! In fact, he's in a bad position...face on...I don't have a good, clean shot...I'm really hoping he'll turn without walking up on me, or just fleeting out of there at full speed. He's CENTERED in my lane-of-fire...I haven't heard ANYONE else up in this valley-flat...and I know my friend won't infringe on the lane to 'cross-over', trophy, or not...so I'm patient. 10-minutes...15-minutes...that damn deer stood there, eating in one spot, LONGER THAN A COW WILL GRAZE IN A FIELD! He had almost burned up my patience...and then...he turned 90-degrees...and raised his head...PERFECT! I've got my beloved Browning .300-WM...165-grain SPBT custom loads...my friend had his Remington 7400 in .30-06 (his 'everyday' turn-to favorite). I slowly squeeze the trigger on my rifle, and the sound of a 'howitzer' goes off...and where I thought this deer would 'drop in his tracks'...I never see the weeds move! No dust. He's running ALL OUT...AND STRAIGHT AT ME! In fact, he passes me to my left, not 10-foot away...headed up the foothills, through the treeline...so fast, I couldn't work the bolt to even get a follow-up! He crested the hill...and then I heard it...'hmmmmph...' and that 'train crash in the woods' telling me he had dropped dead. My friend walks up, almost screaming...'YOU SHOT AT ME!' I said, 'huh? what? I DID NOT! Where the hell were you at, that I would have done that? Did you move from your position agreed on? He's confused, I'm confused...He said, 'I didn't move ONE INCH until I heard the shot!' I said, 'well, I shot straight into my lane of fire, dead on! So, I didn't shoot at you!' His reply, 'then why in the hell are you looking UP the hill?!' I said, 'because before it died, it ran up there!' He called B.S., I said, 'let's go get the deer, inspect it, and then I'll show you were he was standing when I fired.' I also walked it off...285-yards! From where I retrieved the body, to the very spot where AN EASY QUART of blood was on the ground...that 225-lb standing weight whitetail deer ran that far. My friend, now soothed to see the 'place on the ground where the shot occurred', was amazed...he said 'I don't see the shot entrance'...we searched...and then I found it...BY FEELING FOR IT! If it hadn't broke a rib going in, It might have taken a razor to shave the pelt, just to find it! BUT...the exit side told another story...you could put your fist through the three MISSING ribs! As soon as a began field dressing it, we saw the damage, and the incredulity grew! I cut the abdominal wall open...and it looked like someone poured 2-gallons of port wine EVERYWHERE! There were literally NO ORGANS LEFT! NONE! Maybe 1-2 feet of intestine, between the hind quarters...but no lungs, liver, kidneys...not even a stomach...it wasn't even tissue left...it just poured out on the ground! My friend stood there, and said 'there's no way! you drug that deer up on that hill, just to mess with me!' I told him, 'did you see me dragging the wine bag, when you caught up to me?' I'm not sure if it was bone fragment, bullet hardness, or what...but the deer liquified inside...but other than sheer terror in his eyes, when he passed me going up that hill...you'd never have known it was 'dead-deer-walking' when he did... He and I have told this story many times, because to my knowledge, I've NEVER heard anyone else have such an extreme example of an 'absolute take-down-shot' on an animal...and it make it almost 300-yards. The deer OBVIOUSLY ran out of oxygen to its brain, and is the ONLY THING that stopped him, in the end....470-Nitro or .300-Magnum, I don't think in this case, it would have mattered or changed ANYTHING about what happened that day...some mysteries of 'the hunt' will always remain mysteries...and ballistics will never explain it further.

I know I've been here before. But the 'safari romantics' of the H&H shines way above the other. A beautiful Ruger 1 in 375 H&H .. I absolutely love it. Must be that classic safari mystique or so. For me, nothing can beat that feeling. Whatever the stats :-) Nevertheless enjoyed the vid , again. Greets from the Netherlands, T.

Good comparison! Well done.

Another great video thanks for the lesson in the cartridge world

Ron, keep up the good work!

Thanks for doing this comparison. I was considering the. 375 h&h but decided against it. Not so much as a result of this video but because i checked the price of ammo! Lol. Great video, thanks.

Another great video Ron.Thanks ,food for thought.