A wise man once said, 'You can put small things in a big truck much easier than the other way around...' What do you want? A 45 Colt? Can do! A trapdoor 45/70? Got it! Cheap plinking loads with cast bullets and Trailboss? Easy! Deer loads? Piece of cake! It is for this reason that my gunsmith is making me up a 358 Norma Mag. I'll never shoot full power loads out of it, but if I ever need a big truck....

@Snailz5

5 ай бұрын

To me it feels like all these dumb tool and DIY hack videos. 10 ways to pull a nail out of a board and none of them are using the claw of a hammer. You want to do a job, get the right tool. One multi tool that is worse at every of the 5 things it does and comes with the risk of blowing up is not worth just buying the rifles for the applications required.

@johnelliott7375

5 ай бұрын

You have one, 300 Winchester Magnum is good enough for me and not the shorty version of it. 😊

@sinisterthoughts2896

5 ай бұрын

If you change the loads a lot for different roles it might be a headache to remember your zeros and drops. I can see having the capacity to go big if needed, yet still keep the rifle practical for day to day work, I suppose.

@exothermal.sprocket

5 ай бұрын

@@Snailz5 Trail Boss powder poses no risk of said 'blowing up'.

@nmelkhunter1

5 ай бұрын

@@johnelliott7375For the vast majority of game you are spot on.

Great peace of information! I have hunted with my 458 mag I built on a 98 Mauser I got from my grandfather for many years. It has never felt that bad on recoil. That rifle has never failed me on anything from coyotes to elk .

I bought a new Garmin chronograph just to test my 458 Win Mag handloads with 500 grain bullets and A2230 powder, following the recommendations in the reloading manual. I was getting 2160 fps. This is plenty of velocity for dangerous game, and great penetration. Shooting the rifle off the bench was no fun, but I did it for science.

@danielcurtis1434

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for science sake!!!

Hi to all big bore lovers and thank you Ron !

I had a Ruger No.1, falling block. Absolutely loved that gun. I reloaded those compressed loads. It was a little scary when the powder came within about 1/4" of the top of the shell. You could hear the powder crunching when pressing in that big bullet. If I remember correctly, the bullet had a very heavy copper jacket over a hollow steel bullet cored with lead. I think we used 3031 powder, not totally sure. I once shot a tree that was 5 feet in diameter and the bullet went all the way through. That was one heavy recoiling rifle.

I would love to see a review like this on the 45/70. But forget about the old trap door. Theres so many people that would buy the new lever or single shot rifles out there now, if they really knew how versatile you can load the 45/70. Just like this .458, there not flat shooters, but with the right bullets, the mpbr is nothing to sneeze at. The 45/70 just don't get the attention I think it deserves. Thanks for the great videos.

Thanks Ron for another great video showcasing what these not so common cartridges can really do. One of my favourite loads in the .458 win mag is the Hornady 325 ftx moving at 2800 fps. I have killed several deer with that load at 300 plus yards and it does it well.

@csjrogerson2377

5 ай бұрын

I agree, but there are dozens of other rifles that will do the job equally well and do many other things very well too.

@brickhammerSS

5 ай бұрын

​@@csjrogerson2377what difference does it make to you what the guy uses?

@anonymousf454

5 ай бұрын

​@@csjrogerson2377How many will put an Elephant on his ass before he turns you into tomato paste?

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

What is your favorite powder for the .458WM? Mine is H335. I have never tried 325 grain. 350gn round nose at 2400fps works great for moose and Kodiak brown bears. I like the sound of 2800fps. I have also never shot a 500gn. Im in Alaska not Africa i think 500gn would be the right medicine for Africa. I call the .458wm the 3 step gun because I've seen many moose and 10foot+ bears only take 3 steps after the 458 slaps and on the other hand I also have seen many moose run away with 7mm and 30-06 like nothing hit them at all. Only to have the meat grinder stall years later>> What stalls the grinder? 7mm and 30-06 bullets from years earlier poor moose:( Found 4 bullets in the grinder so far mostly 30-06. 1 was my friends 30-06 from 4 years before. Knock on wood no 1 will find my .458wm in the grinder:(

I have a suppressor on my rifle. Shooting subsonic 730 grain Bullet is pretty hard hitting. Fun as hell!!!! Ordered mould from Cast Bullet Engineering / Australia

I have 2 Whitworth Express rifles, in both .375 H&H and .458 WinMag. Awesome underrated mauser action rifles. They only weigh about 8 lbs though, and the .458 is pretty brutal. After shooting a few rounds through it 1 day I switched to my 12 gauge slug gun with 3 inch slugs. I swear I thought I had a squid load after the first round because the recoil was so light. I shot another and it was the same. I was so used to the 458 recoil that the 3 inch slugs felt like nothing. I believe I did the calculations once and the recoil was around at 75 foot-pounds. Also the recoil pad is rock hard which doesn't help.😵 The .375 on the other hand, isn't too bad. Great video, by the way!

I once had a BSA .458 Win Mag in a 7.5 lb lightweight bolt action rifle that had a very effective muzzle brake cut directly into the barrel. The recoil was tolerable but the muzzle screech was astounding. Excellent rifle. Wish I still had it.

According to Garrett Cartridges of Texas, one of their .45-70 loads out-penetrates the .458 Win mag due to lesser velocity. Correction 11:03, you meant to say the .450 Bushmaster (Socom is .458 caliber).

When you are adopted, it is because the parents who adopt you do it because of love and not because you were a mistake. I heard many times when I was young. By my parents who adopted me. I am 57 years old now, and I have never forgotten this. My true love was my parents. I mias them every day now.

@briankopp1369

5 ай бұрын

I like apples.

Thanks Ron. For your perspective on my request for this video. Just to be fair I never use the 458wm or the 45-70 on small game. I’d not find fun in erasing 😢 squirrels or rabbits However hand loading the 458 renders some amazing results and an ability to hunt the medium to the largest game to include DG. When I shoot lite loads like I use filler to take up the space and then only in the Ruger no1. As its strength is unmatched in hunting rifles. Great video. You made some great points. Thanks for raising the caution about dangers in reduced loads. It’s good to keep safe. Shoot straight eat great. Cailean

Love the Winchester M70 the pre-64 or the 90’s variant in 458 win mag kicks hard those hornandy 500gr DGS make around 5100 ft-lbs of muzzle energy at 2150fps hits hard makes a 308 or a 30-06 feel like a 22LR.

You would think if the straight wall states could/would or do allow this round, some manufacturers would make some light 250-325 grain pointed bullets loaded down some just for deer and put out more rifles chambered in it

@davejones6006

5 ай бұрын

Case is too long

@orr89rocz

5 ай бұрын

@@davejones6006 i didnt think all the states had a length limit. Seems like ohio may be the only one who doesnt. Makes sense then

Brigadier General Victor Johnson used the Winchester .458 magnum to hunt bigfoot, dogman, and werewolves. Some of his stories about hunting them in Alaska are horrifying. His story about killing a pack of dogman down in some swamp in Florida's panhandle was the most horrifying. He used the .458 Win mag because of its ability to take them down in 1 shot. We have them here in South West Tennessee (look up Pickwick landing) and the Land Between the Lakes in Southern Kentucky. Cocke County Tennessee is a really hot spot, thats where Tony Ahrens and Amber Miller were ripped apart by one a few years ago.

I have a Ruger #1 in 458 and have taken many hogs, deer, and Bison with it using the Barnes 450 grain factory load. Years ago I put a Limbsaver AirTech recoil pad on it for my wife to use on a hunt. It cut the felt recoil almost in half. Now it's regularly taken to the shooting range instead of spending most of it's life collecting dust!

Hey Ron...my wife ordered your 7mm Cartridges book for Christmas. Being a Canadian, our border patrol delayed the book. I received the extremely "happy surprise" today. I read all 183 pages today. Non stop excellence, Ron. I highly recommend this to anyone and everyone. Well researched, exceedingly well written, educational, great humor and eloquence that kept my eyes peeled and had me poring over the pages, absorbing the work with exuberant elation and gleeful joy. I will be looking to purchase more from your library, my good man. Well done indeed!

Excellent video Ron! Love my 458 !

That was interesting that you brought up "under loads". My old man blew up his 76 Winchester 45-70 (along with his hand) with one, oddly enough in 1976. Basically what happens is the primer initially puts the bullet in the barrel and the delayed ignition of the powder turns the chamber into a grenade. Very rare but it can happen. It's called a detonation.

@anonymousf454

5 ай бұрын

Dam...was he able to salvage the hand? How bad was it? Man a hand injury sucks...I know.

@georgemcarthur488

5 ай бұрын

@@anonymousf454 Most of it, just ended up losing the end of his thumb. But it broke every bone in his hand. And I miss-spoke. It was an 86 Winchester.

@anonymousf454

5 ай бұрын

@@georgemcarthur488 Ouch...Injury like that ever heal correctly? So many intricate connections in there. I've got a little nerve damage and just that is challenging some times.

@borkwoof696

5 ай бұрын

Was it a modern reproduction or an original?

@georgemcarthur488

5 ай бұрын

@@borkwoof696 Original

Great video Ron. I use my 416 rem mag for everything now, and is the only rifle I carry. Which I only have whitetails and the occasional wild hog to hunt. I have never used the 400 gr loads on game because I simply don’t need them. I load 300 grain tsx at 2800 fps and 340 woodleigh pp at 2700 fps. That woodleigh load has over 5,300 ftlbs of muzzle energy and the trajectory of your standard 180 gr soft point 30/06 loads atleast to 300 yards. I practice out to 300 yards and it’s very easy to wear out a 10” steel plate at that range. The bullet combination has been devastating on whitetail.

Ron,I thought the 458 win mag was my secret but apparently there other bigbore fans out there. Who new! I've been hunting with various 458's for over 40yrs and have killed everything from woodchucks to whitetails to caribou to red stag to waterbuffalo and cape Buffalo and more. The 458 probably has more bullet options than most other calibers and truly will work for most hunting around the world. Also you didn't mention the fact that because of the straight case it can be loaded as a shotgun shell for squirrels and rats and I've even taken grouse on the ground or roosting in a tree! The 458's, which I include the Lott and the 45/70 and 45/90 are truly the most versatile cartridges, if you are a handloader, out there. But keep it quiet would ya. I've been trying to keep it my little secret for years!

@tim7052

5 ай бұрын

It's my secret too, brother!! Shhhh!! 🤫

@caileanmacanndraigh8580

5 ай бұрын

Hey laddie. I have tae tell you it’s a secret we all know. Tis a great one too

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

WTF .458wm shot shell??? Why do i not know about this?? I could have shot like 50000000 sprues hens while moose hunting. Were do i find load data on this new fact. YOU SIR HAVE MADE MY YEAR!!! I have some studying to do. And some reloading :0>>>>> P.S .458wm FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks from Alaska

@markloomis1415

3 ай бұрын

Start with 410 shotshell data. I even use 2.5 " 410 shotcups.

I agree, with hand loading the .458 can be very versatile...and therein lies the problem. New brass is unobtainium now, nobody has it in stock, and apparently Hornady has discontinued sales of .458 Magnum brass. If you want reloadable brass, you have to fire factory ammo...at better than $7 a pop.

@exothermal.sprocket

5 ай бұрын

What fires an identical caliber bullet? .45-70.

@r.awilliams9815

5 ай бұрын

@@exothermal.sprocket I'm well aware of that, since I own several of them. But we're talking about the .458 Magnum here, not the .45-70.

@exothermal.sprocket

5 ай бұрын

@@r.awilliams9815 Certainly. Same caliber bullet however, often identical bullet construction depending on load intention. Garrett Cartridges of Texas claims one of their loads out-penetrates the magnums, due to a phenomenon of increased velocities being detrimental to penetration, other factors being equal. Big energy numbers aren't everything, especially terminally.

@luvtahandload7692

5 ай бұрын

Scour all the gunshows in your region. That's where I get all my 458 Win brass. 😊

@ben501st

5 ай бұрын

I'd like a modern take on the 458 win mag. Something like a 450 bushmaster stretched out. With 450 bushmaster being popular in straight walled deer states, brass manufacturers wouldn't need to change much tooling.

If I ever find myself wanting to disown my right shoulder and write it out of my will, I might just buy one. Until then, I think I'm good with the little 450 bushmaster and not bleeding from the ears. P.S. Best gun channel ever!

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

lame

Great information as always! I enjoy your channel. Have a Happy New year.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

5 ай бұрын

Happy new year!

Amazing how many responses about calibers that aren't in the discussion are posted here. I have a .458 WM in a Ruger #1T from 1976. I have a mostly full box of 510gr factory WW SuperX. It wallops the hell out of my shoulder. However, I used Midway USA to obtain a large supply of brass and lightweight bullets, so I have plenty of JHP and cast lead projectiles to experiment with in both the .458 and .45-70. Plinking with those calibers is enormous fun.

Absolutely it is! I have been hunting rabbits and squirrels for years with mine. I find it useful for keeping rabbits out of the garden, and the neighbors dog from pooping in my back yard. Yep, great cartridge.

@csjrogerson2377

5 ай бұрын

Have you ever eaten any of the rabbits or do you just collect parts and make a stew when you have enough?

@tim7052

5 ай бұрын

​@@csjrogerson2377Good one!! 🤣👍

Very interesting Ron. I shoot the 500 and 510 grainers at roughly 40 yards, but at 85 this is becoming much less common. Buffs are in any event unaffordable. I have sold my 375 and 300 grain reloads sound just the ticket for kudu etc.

Hi Ron. Love the channel! Even more when relevant to something I have as well. I shoot n solid 300gr bullet locally manufactured here in South Africa. I love the cartridge, got a Lott aswell but it will always be my Nr1 stopper. And YES it is versatile. First kill was a blesbok(plains game at about 40 to 45kg) open sights. Keep up the good work thank u very much.

Please, please in the name of Elmer Keith, get with Kentucky ballistics. It would be a hilariously informative video.

IF you reload it is a VERY versatile all around shorter range, woods rifle. It can be loaded from the lightest 45-70 (which really is a very mild load), to Marlin 45-70 (a step up) then the Ruger 45-70 (another step up) to full house .458Win magnum loads-- and all with minimal meat damage.

My Browning Safari in .458 Win Mag is only about a 7.5 pound rifle. With full factory 500 grain loads it is a joy to shoot off the bench. However, I have throttled it down with cast bullets and it worked just fine. But once I did a very stupid thing. I used my own cast .452 diameter bullets and I couldn't consistently hit a target 15 yards out because they would not stabilize. They also leaded the bore up massively. Live and learn.

Ron, Could you do a Video on The 416 Hoffman? I’m a Big Fan of your Videos!

Ron I have a 458 Lott and plan to use it just as such an all around big game rifle

You are a lot of fun, Ron! Basically the same reasoning I use with my son to stop bugging me about using my 12 ga slug. It works where I use it! Pop

The 458 SOCOM uses 458 bullets. The 450 Bushmaster uses the 452 pistol bullets...

Nice video. I have a Ruger Number One in 458 WinMag, and have fired it about 325 times. It is very versatile from plinking loads with 305 grain cast bullets on up to the hotter stuff. Just because I could, I loaded some Hornady 300 JHP bullets up to 3,000 fps. Kicked like a mule, but reasonably accurate. Likely past the design limits for those bullets, but they held together. Great "varmint" load. It is a fun cartridge and rifle to shoot. Another good load is the Hornady (or Speer) 350 FN or RN at about 2350 fps. Not max, but very stout. Will group about 1" at 100 yards.

For light loads, just use the .458 X 2" American that Frank Barnes developed (and Marlin lengthened the belt on, and called the .450 Marlin). It is simply a 458 Win Mag case trimmed down to 2". I can load the old "collar button" bullets (under 200 grain) or even muzzleloader round balls at low velocity in these shorter cases for small game hunting without worry of "flashover".

In view of looking for an all around cartridge limited to .30-06 length ----take a look at the .338 Winchester Magnum ---with factory loads up to 300 grain to match the .375 H & H ---i made the case in my book that it actually outperforms the .375 H & H, given the greater sectional density of the narrower bullet ---which can deliver better penetration (with the right bullet structure of course) ---and is frequently used in Africa as a only need to carry one gun option ---my African friend was a tracker/gun bearer for a professional game guide and he came home with a cartridge for me to add to my collection

Interesting video, I have a 458 Winchester mag built on an 03 Springfield receiver, but have never shot it ,,,,,,YET 😂

You got any 375 ruger vids?

With firsthand experience with the round, the first recommended next purchase is add a recoil pad.

I remember years ago being in a small sporting good store in ND, they had boxes of 458 win mag ammo, they had a customer who in fact used a 458 as his deer rifle. It would work just fine I suppose.

What about the .950 JDJ? You can use it for anything from squirrels to blue whales.

Glad to see someone else use the term “fudge factor” lol

I like my .458 Lott because handles Win Mag pretty easily, but I can always go bigger.

As far as recoil goes, if you can handle 12 gauge 3" or 3.5" turkey loads, from a light Mossberg 590 or Remington 870 pump shotgun you can run a .458 Win no problem. It's not pleasant or fun but it's doable. It's something I don't care for shooting lots of. In some straight wall only states where case length isn't an issue where case length is not limited. I think the .458 Win would be the cats @$$! You could utilize those Hornady FTX bullets for deer. I heard some guys getting close to 2800fps with FTX bullets by Hornady. I think it would be fun to play with. I might experient with said loads.

I'd love a modernized 458 win mag. A rimless, beltess cartridge akin to the 350/400 legend or 450 bushmaster but stretched to 30-06 length. Something that could be loaded down for deer hunting and target practice but cranked up for dangerous game. The magic of the 350 legend is that it was cheap from the get go. Let's do the same to get more folks into big bores.

Im gonna thumbs up ya only cause I been reading your work since a teenager.. lol

I think that the 460 weatherby fares as well or better than the 458. When I get my sights setup ( new) I’ll let you know. Handloads of course but plan on barnes tsx bullets.

I used a 458 win mag for dee loaded 450 grn barns tsx they do well loaded light or super hot. A 415 grn hard cast with trail boss. Nearly no recoil but plenty of punch

Hi Ron. As always , awsome video. Anything with Winchester name is good by me. Im proud to tell you. Im teaching my nephew right. He owns an m70 30-06. A m94 30-30 that i gave him at 8 years old. And he just bought himself a 1886 45-70. I absolutely love Winchester guns. And also Henry lever action. I myself have a m95 405. If i went to Africa ide use my 405.

@user-wo2iw3kt8o

4 ай бұрын

How does the 458 work with hard cast gas checked bullets. They are deadly out of 45-70 or 44 mag. No expansion and very deep penetration. . My 405 win with 300 grn shoots through 12 inches of white oak boards at 100 yards. .sizes 412. 😊

@user-wo2iw3kt8o

4 ай бұрын

Ron. Are you allowed to use open sights in Africa. 😊

It's not the cartage you choose to defend. It is the cartridge you choose that will accomplish the mission you have committed to.

I'll go with Roy's 300 Weatherby Magnum. 130 grain to well over 200.

@craigleibbrand7761

2 ай бұрын

I've been hutting with a 300 Weatherby for 40 years. It's a magnificent cartridge that packs a wallop on game.

@mattpie595

Ай бұрын

Also try a 340 weatherby Better terminal ballistics.

I believe that everyone needs to start with cap and ball before they move up to loading smokeless. Blackpowder is dangerous enough but modern powder is amazing. I've heard of people adding just a couple of grains of smokeless in their black powder and blowing up their guns. Mainly pistols

I've shot with the 458 Lott and the 450 Rigby (made by those Park West guys you have somewhere there) and that thing thumped quite a bit more than the 458 Lott for me but it was shot no.8 for the day. Maybe a video comparing the the different cartridges like 458 win mag to the unnecessary shoulder cannon 460 Weatherby. I still wouldn't mind the 458 Win mag just because you can't have enough "investments" in the safe.

Is say so lighter thinner jacketed bullets(or cast) for game like deer/pigs/black bear slightly heavier for thinks like elk and moose. Can handle anything from white tails to elephant with different bullets and loads.

I always found the 458 rifles to be cumbersome. Thats my only problem with it. Great cartridge to handload mild or wild for sure.

As long as you have a good grip and a stout shoulder you can use it for anything.

I've hunted DG with my .458 Win Mag for over 30 years, and it has worked fine for me EVERY time!! All but one trophy (that being my very first cape buff) were all one-shot kills. My pet load is a Woodleigh 500gr RNSP or FMJ (identical SDs with a difference of 0.003 in BCs) driven by 72gr of AR2206H powder. This load prints 4-shot groups of each projectile that touch each other at 75yds, with recovered bullets retaining 98% of their weight. I've found the .458 WM to be an awesome calibre in a standard length action: which has benefitted from today's powders and bullets. Indeed, I know an African PH who says its performance - when using the Woodleigh 480gr RNSN projectile - is phenomenal on elephant and cape buff. True, there are many better calibres (I'd love to own an interwar 470 double with rising dolls head bite, but alas!). But for me, the recoil is very manageable, and - for my rifle, at least - it's super accurate. As the game hasn't changed, what more would you need? 👍

Why does everyone compare high velocity cartridges of other calibers with the low velocity loads of a 45-70, there are some higher velocity 45-70’s that are well above the 2000fps range

iwonder if the Barnes 45 caliber sabot would work? its made for black powder rifles but it might be intersting to see how much velocity you could get from a 195 grain bullet

musta been a slow news day. talk about your niche markets. ntl love your vids

If you have one Ron you should try it off paper in the field or range rather.

I just rebarreled my 300wm mauser to 458wm. Just waiting on express sights and cross bolts to arrive by mail.

I had a Win 348 and it was a great deer cartridge but it had several drawbacks. I found it difficult to reload , it had to be crimped and every now and then when setting bullets I would push the neck into the shoulder.I know this was my fault but I never had got concerned when loading other cartridges.The real game changer was mounting a scope, because of top ejection a scope would have to be “ side mounted “, producing an offset that looked ridiculous but could be practical.Being a traditionalist I sold the rifle and bought a bolt action and all went well. Some years later l bought an 18” barreled action in 358W put a Mannlicher style stock on it and was very successful with it, a friend admired the rifle and I sold it to him. I sold 5 or 6 rifles in my years as a hunter and later in life I regretted selling all of them.

@Mark-uq9km

5 ай бұрын

The .348 Win, model 71 is an absolute classic rifle. It did have the top ejection which made using optics problematic. It fell out of favor in the 50's with production ceasing for the model 71 in 1958. Marlin came out with the .444 Marlin in '64-'65 which was to be a replacement lever action with similar external ballistics. It was billed as the most powerful lever action in the world. Evidently, no one told them the model 1895 Winchester in .405 Win still had more power than the trip4. Winchester started making their model 94 in Big Bore calibers like the .356 Win, .375 Win and I think even the .307 Win which has the bulked up receiver. The Big Bore models have side eject making mounting optics easy. I guess my question is, Winchester came out with their .356, .375 and.307 with SE why couldn't they start loading this for the .348 Win? It is one nice cartridge with plenty of horsepower for moose and elk. It has more horsepower than the .356 and .375. And now both the .356 and .375 are history as is the .307 Win. I own a Big Bore 94 Dark Shadow chambered in .444 Marlin. I shoot the 265 grain Hornady Superformance with 3300 ft. lbs of muzzle energy. It's a real beast. Also, the Big Bore models are made for higher pressure loads than what Marlin can bear. The locking bar at the back of the bolt covers the entire bolt and is firmly placed in the receiver. The Marlin has a locking lug that fits into the bolt halfway.

@Nello353

5 ай бұрын

@@Mark-uq9km Mark , I enjoyed reading your response, it sounded like me 30 years ago. I am 91 now and live in Florida. I was born and raised in Pa. And began hunting with my Dad at age 14 , my Dad bought me a Mossberg bolt action shotgun and I used it for small game and deer for three years .I got my first rabbit and deer with it. My Dad then bought mod71-348 and gave me his model94-30 30 and a rifleman was born. I dove into books about rifles and ballistics and was a Jack Oconner fan from age 7. The first rifle I bought on my own was a Rem model 721 in .270 Cal I paid 72$ for it I could have bought a Win model70 for 95$ but didn't have the extra 23$! To make a long story short in my 50s I realized Iwas getting old and hadn't done any of the hunts I dreamed about. I N the next12 years Iwent to Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, New Foundland , several times to British Collumbia. I have taken 2 Dall sheep 5 caribou an elk 4 moose ,a mountain goat and misc deer, everything I killed was with my own hand loaded ammo. I hope you don't think I, m bragging. It was just pure determination and lots of scriming and saving and looking around for bargain hunts .My Alaskan hunt cost me 5,000$ and I took a ram and a goat today that hunt would be 20,000$ , I guess I was born at the right time. Mark I apologize for running on ,when you get old you take advantage of your age. Best wishes to you and your family and I hope get a chance to hunt your dreams

@Mark-uq9km

5 ай бұрын

@@Nello353Well, heck, I'm from PA as well and now living in Florida. I bought my first rifle in 1978 from K Mart in Rochester, PA, a 336 Marlin in .35 Remington. I killed my first deer with it in 1981 in Beaver County. I've hunted all over PA and even had a moose hunt in New Foundland and took a nice moose. You have had a lot more big hunts than I. For years I would take my nephew and Son-in-law down to the Eastern Shore in MD for some great waterfowl shoots. I have amassed a decent amount of weapons: two .30-06s, a .308 win in a model 7600 Rem which was known as the PA Automatic, a .375 H&H mag, a model 1895 Marlin in .45-70 and now my Win 94 big Bore in .444 Marlin. I'm grooming my grandsons to want to take some big hunting trips when they grow up. I know they'll have a nice arsenal to choose from but I"m not quite ready to have them inherit my weapons just yet. Living in Florida always gives us great opportunities to go hog hunting, too. I miss PA but I love living in Florida. I'm travelling up to Harrisburg next week to go to the PA farm show. Maybe I'll get to see some snow. Thank you for your response and Happy New Year.

My choice is 300 win mag. At 1000 yards I own you. 225 grain BTHP has been my preferred projectile pushed with 73 gns of H1000.

Call it OVERKILL!

What about sabots? By loading with, say, a .45 to .30 cal. diameter reduction sabot, you introduce the prospect of using all the .30 caliber bullets available, which is bewilderingly enormous - from 220 grain down to 60 grain .32 cal pistol bullets. If the objective is plinking with a .458 for fun in order to familiarize yourself with handling, bolt action smoothness and speed, safety location, trigger feel, etc. it's better to do it knocking over cans than while a rhino or grizzly is charging. At least it's one way to do it, cheaply, including sabot, bullet, and filler. In a straight-wall cartridge you can use a superthin overpowder wad half way down the case, and fill the rest of the case to the sabot's base with styrofoam pellets to keep the powder close to the primer, as has been done for ages. Sabots are light - 6 grains or so, and so is styrofoam - so the total payload weight doesn't really affect the ballistics measurably from that of a bare bullet. The other alternative is to use a powder engineered for reduced loads, like Accurate 5744 and Hodgdon Trail Boss. And if you are so determined, you can model the Remington Accelerator from years ago, and get a viable high-velocity round, as well; the accelerators in a .30-06 tossed a 55 grain bullet downrange at .220 Swift speed. Hey, if we're experimenting, might as well think outside the box - even if it does put little plastic nubbits in the grass. Doesn't wear the bore, that's for sure! Your thoughts? (particularly on the 1:14 twist of a .458)

Ouch! The cost of the round is too much for someone on a budget. Thanks for the history lesson on it.

Hey Ron, sorry you investigation is typical American, only looking the American Market. I used a old winchester 70 long with the 500er faktoryloads and Open sights. Now i shoot a 350grain cooperbullet faktoryloadet from the small germanfaktory SAX and was so surpraised from the acorry in the old gun that i put a scop on it using now also for smaller Game. Greetings fromm Germany!

Nosler has a 300 grain BALLISTIC TIP for a 458 .

Must handload it but when you do, it’s fantastic. Its easy to load for and tons of bullets available. Certainly versatile for guys who want one gun for any game in short ranges. The 375’s are fantastic and even better at longer range but i like the bigger wider bullets for the big nastys

Mr Ron I'm a new listener and I've been listening for a couple weeks now religiously lol....I finally broke down and got on patreon....5-100 a month to send you an email lol come on man....I can afford it but I'm a cheap ass but I would like to say this and hopefully have you put it in one of your podcast or KZread lol....anything over a 30 cal should be outlawed and only used on very large game/dangerous game because I well placed shot from a .224-.257 is all is needed...the whole thing bigger is better is an American macho thing...love what you do and thank for for all the information/interesting stuff you talk about

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

I like the comment on outlawing any thing over 30cal.I live in AK with thick brush in grizzly country and you are telling me to put down the .458wm for a 22 ?lol >> Writing comments from a safe condo in a safe city and have never looked a pissed off moose or grizzly in the eyes? Plop you down in the brush up here you might change your tune. But for real there is a weird macho man shooting range flexing that is happening with the .458wm now that I don't agree with, along with all the tac gear Rambo crap. I have processed many large animals and have seen first hand what bullets really do vs brush, trees and meat. And 100% you can not shoot through thick body's or brush with small bullets this is plain fact. The fact is bigger bore rifles force you to get close and be a more ethical hunter. If you are shooting over 100 yards at anything other than mountain goats and sheep you are not hunting that's just shooting. Most facts you read in books written by city dwellers just should be ignored real woodsmen never write books they just put meat in the freezer. But I guess that's why the myths of the big bores is a thing. Myths that are made up by guys that are to scared to shoot big bores>> living in a city of soft smooshy furrybois with an AR in the closet next to a bunny outfit and a case ofbudlite :0 You are not wrong >shot placement #1< But all of that goes out the window when a 10foot+ grizzly explodes from a Alder patch 10 feet away rolling at you at 40mph. The proper tools for that job is #1 brown pants

@bigdad0702

3 ай бұрын

@bearbait2221 LMMFAO I ain't in no condo nor do I live in a city....I may not have ever looked a Grizzly in the eyes but I can tell you right now with all the guns I've shot and all the guns I've reloaded for I know what calibers to use what bullets to use and what charge of powder I need to do what I want it to do so before you go judging someone how about asking them Mr macho Alaskan man

That's awesome that it's the most versatile round. But why does it cost more than 50 BMG?

Wow...That 45-70 looks so tiny up there amongst those cartridges.

@tim7052

5 ай бұрын

Yep!! The .45/70 is a great cartridge for North America, but not for African DG, I'm afraid. 👍

Seems perfect for squirrels and rabbits

Maybe do a segment like this with the 460 Weatherby mag, I det it would be versatile also

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

No real men like Weatherby. That's why every 460weatherby/safe queen comes with a box of bullets with 1 spent round in the box. Every 5 years the Weatherby guy opens his safe gabs the rifle and ammo, drives to the range sets the rifle on the table than opens the box to sees the 1 spent case in the box, the ptsd kicks in when he remembers how his eye hole bone got rearranged five years ago buy the scope>> he puts it back in the case drives home and gets online to brag that he owns a Weatherby. Not knowing that anything Weatherby made is a joke and a marketing scheme. On Kodiak real Alaskan knows that the guy that brings a Weatherby too hunting camp will flinch and miss 100% of the time. The guy with more $ than brains. The 300 weatherby is the only halfway descent round that wont burn half the metal off the barrel after every shot . Soft hands drives a Mercedes and when he goes to work the pool boi does his job for him in the bedroom. IE a Weatherby man. The funny thing is the Weatherby guy never has a clue. But buuut is so shinny it must be good. derp

In Central Africa Republic, one of the most popular European rounds for dangerous game was the 10.75 mm

@MrPh30

3 ай бұрын

In some asian countries also, especially after Kynoch stopped making ammunisjon , but FN.Rws and others made 10,75 . If only bullets were better for it . That took time until the Woodleigh and others came around with their bonded Weldcore .

It seems overkill for almost everything before you can even finish saying the caliber. But with the data you presented, I think my eyes opened a bit.

At this point I would argue the 460 weatherby would be more versified than the win mag. Only because the argument is the same for it as it is the win mag but it has the horsepower to push the very heavy or long bullets like the 600 grain woodleigh or 500 grain Barnes bullets. I mean starting loads are more powerful than the 458 Lott and easier shooting, in my experience. But to be fair it only holds a few rounds in a bolt gun and then it takes an experienced reloader to get power levels in line with a 45-70, unless you use the trail boss powder. But why do that. Cant kill something too dead and a 500 grain bullet at 2600 ish fps means I can put down any random Bigfoot or elephant I see roaming the woods.

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

Ya don't forget the towel for >>>>>when you shoot and the blood starts running down your eye from the scope bite. AKA crushed eye hole bone :0

I picked up a 458 win mag in a ruger one that only had 3 rounds shot out of it. When I sold it,,,,, it had 4 rounds shot out of it. 😂😂😂

If it kicks to much put a muzzle brake on it.

I shot a whitetail last season with a Barnes ttsx 450grn full load in my 458 and it did less damage than a 7mm rem

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

Ya no hydro-shock meat. Its funny because people think the .458wm is a meat destroyer its not, but > it is a bone wrecking thumper >they no run after the .458 slaps. On Kodiak After seeing the 458 go to work, I now call it the 3 step gun>>>1 shot, 3 steps

Guys lathe turn and wrap balls and bullets then wrap them for muzzleloaders to get things just right I imagine a guy found do something similar to get a .452 bullet to grip like a .458.

My guess is the reports of compressed cartridges pushing out the bullets had more to do with air between the powder and the projectile as well as proper seating of the bullet itself, but its only a handloader's guess on my part

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

I guy writes about his crappy handloading skills failing him 60 years ago while out poaching elephants and now every 1 sh!ts on the .458wm. Dumb gun magazines every drinks the kool-aid.

Ron, I remember reading articles about hand loads designed for small game, fired from 30-06 and other big game cartridges. Many of the gun writers seemed to think it mandatory to have a small game load on a wilderness hunts to “fill the pot” Do you have any experience with this or has the handgun taken over that role completely?

@RonSpomerOutdoors

5 ай бұрын

Yes, in mid-20th century many of us built light loads in our centerfires for taking "camp meat," forest grouse and rabbits, mainly. Some still do.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

5 ай бұрын

An incoming call cut me short. I find light loads easier to carry and use than a handgun for potting camp meat, but more significantly, I find it easier to bring sufficient camp food from home. When backpack hunting, one can supplement freeze dried meals with fish (a bit of line and a hook or jig) or knocked off a grouse or ptarmigan with a rock or stick. But if you really care to depend on wild meat, light loads for your rifle are probably your best option. A small, light slingshot is another.

What about a 45-90? Could it be made into a big game cartage?

that 458 win mag is nothing to sneeze at but the 45-70 extreme penetrator underwood 225 grain rounds (feet per second wise) in a 24 inch bbl will blow by that 458 win mag like its standing still. the chronograph dont lie. and either does underwood,

@bearbait2221

3 ай бұрын

Ok your telling me a 45-70 will outrun a .458wm? I would have to see this to believe it. What powder and charge? Are you telling me you can get 2500fps with a 400gn in a 45-70? never ever. If underwood told you this you have been lied to sir. The .458wm will outrun any 45-70 by at least 500fps and 100grains. Are you comparing weak underloaded .458wm data? And if your talking about 225gn the .458wm can go 3000fps no 1 has ever got that out of a 45-70 your in dream land you drank the kool-aid. Are you comparing 500gn vs 225gn? Facts>> 45-70 governments max chamber pressures is 32,000 psi the .458 Winchester magnum max chamber pressures is 62,000psi. Do the math before you speak. I'll bet ur a new shooter and u wear tac gear to the range. Next you will tell me a 22 will kill a grizzly better than a .458wm. Because underwood said so they don't lie derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp

BONUS: And it fits in a standard length action

I prefer the 57mm 6 pounder cartridge

Hey Ron here down in south Texas hunting whitetail,hog,coyote,main game the 22-250 is all I use can you do a video about that caliber and your thoughts

@mattpie595

Ай бұрын

Also bear creek has an A R in in 22-250 et al.

An AK native told me he knew a guy who skot birds with a 416 Weatherby .

Use .338 win ,7mm rem brass and similar also to load with .

@roddecker1900

5 ай бұрын

Have noticed 338w cartridges all seem to be 20.000 shorter att the shoulder than chamber length. I don't think my eyes gone wonkey.reloads close up good. Had huge cardboard. 3 groups of two. Couldn't figure where each 2nd shot went. Took me half an hour figure it out. Closet green m70 full of old rotten padding from when it was cased65 yrs ago.

Every man’s Big Bore is the 50 BMG. After that it is an RPG, but they are a little persnickety up close.

I see little reason to go past 416 Rem.

the outfitter down the road from me said he was just about ready to limit clients to nothing but 45 70 or 356 or 30-30. To quote "All these d**n wanna be SpecOp snipers roll into camp with tripods and 40power scopes and computers and wanna blast away at 700 yards. I have never seen so many three legged elk in all my years"

.458 can also be loaded with 550 grain Woodleigh also .

At roughly $10 per round, I would not consider the 458 a versatile American game cartridge in practical terms.

The 458 am in a ruger no 1 can be the 45 that can be loaded to duplicate most all the US 45 cal rifle cartridges. If you use the ruger no1. It’s a strong action. However if it’s just to much for the quarry I’m about to hunt then I use the king of versatility. The mighty the venerable the great. 30-06. After 118 years it’s still unmatched.

@caileanmacanndraigh8580

5 ай бұрын

That’s 458 wm Not am