I just got back from the Range today and I met an older gentleman who shoots nothing but lever actions. I got to have a good conversation with him about his lever action experience and he was intrigued by my military arm experience. I told him if I were to get a lever action it would be in either of the two calibers featured in this video. it was really cool for two people from two different ages to get along with differing perspectives on firearms.

I keep hoping to see 35 Remington as an intermediary. It fits in nicely between the two you describe. Good show Señor!

@barrymantei7795

15 күн бұрын

358 win. Is superior to the 35 rem.

@alexandercluster3003

15 күн бұрын

360 buckhammer is the new 35Rem. Same cartridge basically.

Hello everyone! Thanks for joining tonight. -JvB

@ryanharris6045

15 күн бұрын

Thanks, Joseph. You and Ron should tell us where to find those awesome hats you guys have.

@BackcountryHuntingPodcast

15 күн бұрын

@@ryanharris6045 They’re Stormy Kromers…. They’re awesome hats!

@Getoutside308

10 күн бұрын

@@ryanharris6045 It’s a Stormy Kromer. Made mostly in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. You just need to know your fitted hat size. It comes with built in ear warmers.

I purchased a Ruger No.3 in 45/70 years ago from an elderly gentleman, that he bought new in1977 He also had the original box. Great rifle!

@user-ci2mn1oy3w

Күн бұрын

for what?

This is probably the best comparison vid I've seen, no bias just the basic hunting facts. From a lever action fan I thank you 👏

They are both great. 30-30 is a bit more practical.

I got a bear with a 30-30 170grn core lokt 2 weeks ago. Did a great job. 40 yard shot, double lung, in and out. Went 40 yards and piled up

I went back and forth when I decided to get my first Ruger made Marlin lever action. I landed on the 30-30 because I hunt in the southeast and it’s what I killed my first whitetail with. Love the comparison. Great video

30-30 and 444 marlin

I'd like to see you do a video on the Winchester 32 Special rifle & cartridge. Always enjoy your videos & information.

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

It's slightly more capable than .30-30, but I would not say in a significant way for most uses.

The.30-30 has its advantages and one is availability. Another is practicality. The cartridge has been greatly improved by better components and rifles all told it’s still a very impressive cartridge..

With the “new” weights in bullets today it seems that the 30-30 has gotten a new lease on life. They are both still 200 yds and in caliber rifles.

@chipsterb4946

14 күн бұрын

There are a couple of new powders worth mentioning too. LeveRevolution powder consistently shows the highest velocities in .30-30 rifles, sometimes by 10% or more. CFE-223 is behind but also faster than most of the “traditional” powders for these rifles.

@tykennedy1299

8 күн бұрын

I definitely agree with the 200 yard thing as I would like to keep it within that distance but my uncle took a cow elk with a 16 inch contender in 45-70 at a little over 300.

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

190gr Hawk bullet load from Buffalo Bore, promises to be an mule deer, moose, and elk smasher. But to prove a point about the Hornady 160 FTX, there's a video on this website where a Canadian hunter performed a CNS shot (high shoulder) on a cow elk in a field, 339 yards and it dropped immediately on the spot. Mind you, he'd done a lot of cartridge testing in prior weeks and knew the limits. I personally am not an FTX praiser, as the bullets tend to shed a lot of pieces through gel testing, but the flight characteristics are nice to have.

35 Rem

I've fired bullet weights from a 259 gr wadcutter to 520 gr flat nose out of my 1885 and 1874 Sharps using both smokeless and black powder. The Sharps is a lot more comfortable to shoot with heavy bullets due to its heavier weight 14 lbs with a Malcolm style scope.

Marlin had the 1881 in 45 70 I thought before Winchester had the 1886. I love my lever action rifles. I have then in 22LR up to the 45 90 that one can be a real thumper.

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

.45-90 with smokeless power in strong actions, gives about another 250 fps over the -70.

444 Marlin 👍

@bcpioneer59

8 сағат бұрын

True the 444 can load up to 400 grn bullets and flies flatter with a lot of energy compared to the 3030 , the 444 is a far better all around choice. I have loaded 265 and 300 grns for years with great success, in my old microgroove and XLR

This was a great comparison...thanks!

Don't forget the Marlin 1881! Marlin introduced a successful, well designed lever action chambered in 45-70 five years before Winchester!

@curtisross6080

15 күн бұрын

My 1881 Marlin is an excellent shooter and has been taking game for a very long time!

@johnpalmer6822

14 күн бұрын

I was thinking I had shot a Marlin 1881 about 35 years ago. But I couldn’t remember for sure. It was a beautiful and smooth action gun. Well as I recalled.

@willbranson3216

12 күн бұрын

Another extinct gun that is dead and buried. Stop digging the corpse up.

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

@@willbranson3216 I think the tenor of your comment matches the profile picture.

30-30 is still half the price of 45-70 and it’s what I got . So I’m going to stick with it.

@PassivePortfolios

15 күн бұрын

It has taken all game in the US, Canada and South America. It was especially popular during the Alaska gold rush. Apparently the bears are tougher now.

@danhandke5012

15 күн бұрын

👍💪👍👏🏻👍

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

@@PassivePortfolios Nah. Hunters (stalking, reading signs, wind, understanding animal perception) are much less skilled today, hunting land availability is more challenging today, and marketing has created a false concept of hunter range capability. The .30-30 will smash a formidable hole through just about anything with the right load, at moderate ranges. Those willing to hunt at moderate ranges on bigger animals are few.

Great review. Love your cartridge reviews.

I have both and love both. Just always had a soft spot for big bores.

Both great cartridges. The .35 Remington is a good balance between the two. I always wondered why the spiral magazine tube from the old Remington model 14 was never used in modern .30-30s. The patent is long expired and it's design would allow the use of pointed bullets.

@leveractiongypsy1848

15 күн бұрын

I have a 1949 Remington 141 in 35 Rem with a 24 inch barrel. Great design with the tube and lots of other things from John Pederson. My gunsmith mentor told me if they ever reissued the 141s they would likely have to be $3-5k due to complexities in the rifle

@trailblazer632

15 күн бұрын

I mean box mag leverguns have been around a long time. Still whats the point? By the time the other options with potential for higher capacity or pointed bullets came around lever guns were no longer a military rifle and most states limit hunting rifle capacity anyways and have for a long time. Then of course bullet technology was at a point where for hunting at least pionted bullets were not really necessary. Now with even more modern bullet technology pointed bullets still arent as necessary and even if you insist on them Hornady has the ftx flex tips which are pointed and safe for tube mags. So again the need for a different type of magazine system is kinda moot. And at this point in the game the only thing with more capacity is a semiauto bolt actions are normally limited to around 5rds. Most lever guns have a higher capacity than that.

@dgoodman1484

12 күн бұрын

Why would you want a spire point bullet in a 200 yard rifle? Half the reason the 30-30 was popular was the round bullet with a lot of exposed lead so it expanded well at lower velocity. Same with the 35 Remington. 🤷🏽‍♂️

@trailblazer632

11 күн бұрын

​@@dgoodman1484 because the 3030 and 35 rem are more than accurate and lethal past 200yrds. Most people just dont shoot them that far

@leveractiongypsy1848

11 күн бұрын

@@dgoodman1484 Who mentioned a spire point? I'm a huge fan of 35 Rem and have a nice 1949 Remington 141 that 'could' use spire point but as you said...if you cast for 35 Rem/358 Win / 35 Whelen your bullet selection quadruples....

I remember sitting in the dentist office in 1993 looking at a magazine it said do you have enough gun advertisements from marlin in a field and stream I had one 1895 G a couple days later and needless to say a set of dies and I only keep accurate rifles it’s is still in my possession and has performed flawless taking a black bear and many white tail through the years in Pennsylvania

I'm liking the new 360 buckhammer

Great video, love both these cartridges but especially the 45-70. Nice work Mr. Benedikt, I enjoy your presentations, you have a good presence n front of the camera.

Model 71 348 wcf is the best lever action

I am liking your content, more and more. Good decision by Ron and good choice by you!

Thank you for this

I love both, but really, the 30 30 is more useful to me.

@trailblazer632

15 күн бұрын

What makes it more useful?

@Magnum_Express

15 күн бұрын

​@@trailblazer632 can't answer for anyone else but I agree with their statement. My reasons being more appropriate for deer sized game, easier to find guns and ammo. More affordable guns and ammo.

@pseudopetrus

15 күн бұрын

@@trailblazer632 I shoot it best, very confident with my JM 336.

@trailblazer632

15 күн бұрын

@Magnum_Express i mean... theres just as many guns in 4570 as 3030 and honestly while the ammo is more expensive by a few dollars its not really more appropriate for deer than the other... 4570 has lower loads for deer vs larger game.

@Magnum_Express

15 күн бұрын

@@trailblazer632 i agree there are more options in the 45-70 these days, it wasnt always the case. the 45-70 almost died out at one point in history. Another issue is alot of 45-70s on the market are historical replicas of trapdoor models or the old 1886 and not designed to shoot modern hot loads that people would want to use to take advantage of the 45-70s bigger case. The 30-30 on the other hand doesn't have that handicap as all ammo is safe in all guns. And in my area 30-30 ammo is far more common and far cheaper. About half the price per box.

32win special ,35rem

The new RM 45-70 tactical dark series is bad ass. I’m getting sub-MOA at 100yd with that Hornady 325 grain ftx

@valkyrie1994

15 күн бұрын

Shooting with a red dot on mine and some 550gr subsonics and I'm getting one hole at 50y. Thing is awesome.

@Sam-mu5xh

15 күн бұрын

I heard the ftx bullets do a number on whitetails.

Via intro, myself hands down the 30.30. as my first rifle, never let me down in deep woods, NY Catskill Mts.

I have both and the 30-30 is my favorite. I have a Winchester Model 1894 Trapper and an H&R Model 158 . I have taken dozens of whitetail during my 59 years with that H&R . I have a Tasco 3x9 scope on it that I mounted in 1984. I sighted it in to hit 2 inches high at 100 yards. That was 40 years ago, I have never adjusted that scope and it still hits 2 inches high at 100 yards.

love your hat, even though it is (ha ha) Backwards. you left out 2 better ones. the 99 in 300 savage & the 35 rem in a lever gun.

@dr.froghopper6711

15 күн бұрын

I second the 35 Remington in a Marlin 336.

@ANewDawn353

15 күн бұрын

This channel is bias to 35rem and 300savage both excellent , 3030 4570 are turds

@fedup3582

15 күн бұрын

You mean a savage 99 in 308 or 358.

@fedup3582

15 күн бұрын

His hat doesn't look backwards to me.

@bradleysienko72

14 күн бұрын

It's a Stormy Kromer, and it is NOT on backwards

I wish they would bring back the 50/110

@tacticalskiffs8134

15 күн бұрын

That is the 45-70 curse. Clearly a junior loading for the heavy stuff. With all the large bore 1886s being made these days, it boggles the mind that the 50/110, or a 50 alaskan never makes it on these new models. There are lots of gun racks these days with all sorts of fancy version of levers in them, now that the fad is with us. All identical guns with different furniture. While there are some very obvious missing options.

Great video!

thanks for the good info...

You’re a wealth of knowledge, A walking encyclopedia. Thanks for sharing.

I have both, so covered!

On price and overall performance the 30-30 wins, except for dangerous game. Most of the shots in the East and South are under 150 yards, which the 30-30 is perfectly able to handle. The 45-70 was initially a black powder cartridge but it got a new lease on life with smokeless powder and rifles which could handle the higher pressure. It its share of fans in Alaska and Canada where there are still a lot of grizzly and brown bears.

@Clayman5577

15 күн бұрын

Haha - east and southern deer hunters and bear shoot 300 to 500 always have - have you ever seen the agriculture land

@PassivePortfolios

15 күн бұрын

Very funny but that's false. Nobody shoots that far in the East and South. Been hunting down here for 30 years so I know all about it. And Ohio, Michigan, Illinois,.Iowa, Indiana are straight wall cartridge states to minimize the ranges at which hunters take shots.

@PassivePortfolios

15 күн бұрын

@@FranzAntonMesmer that was the now defunct .375 Winchester. It was too close to the 35 Rem. so it never caught on.

@PassivePortfolios

14 күн бұрын

@@FranzAntonMesmer For some reason these mid-bore rounds do not catch on, aside from the 350 Legend, and that is only due to straight wall restrictions in certain states. They kick more than the 30-30 but the additional power is not needed for deer, black bear, hogs. And their range is too short for elk and moose. The 30-06, 6.5 CM., 270, etc. and similar rounds are better options so nostalgia only goes so far.

@TheWolfsnack

2 күн бұрын

Yup....I carried a Marlin years ago when I was working in British Columbia mountains....bears and cougars are common.....still my go to hunting rifle for big mulies and moose plus I roll my own.,

Another Great Video 💯Thanks 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

Outstanding video. I still have my grandfather's Win Model 1984 in 30-30. Serial number dates it to 1925. I took my first deer with it, many years ago. I also have 2 Marlin 45-70s. My latest is the dark series. I'm looking forward to trying my luck this year on a deer and elk hunt with the 45-70. Love both rifles and calibers.

Excellent thorough analysis 🧐 once again JVB 🤠. Both my youngest brother and my Dad love their older Marlin 336 in 30-30 Win. My Dad has a scope and shoots the 170 grain Federal Power Point and my brother uses iron sights and those LeverRevolution loads and hand loads the same components and powder. I currently sadly don’t have a lever gun, but have wanted for a long time. Now that I live in Ohio after 40 years in West Virginia I eventually need a straight wall cartridge for the Ohio rifle season. I could go with a left hand bolt gun in 350 Legend, 400 L or 450 Bushmaster but I really want a sweet lever gun more. Whether it’s the 45/70, 444 Marlin, 44 Mag or the new 360 Buckhammer. I am leaning toward the 360 L as a middle ground option.

Hey JvB what an awesome video, looks like King Ron has a natural successor! Thank you for such a knowledgeable, professional and informative video. Shot my Marlin (Ruger) SBL yesterday in 45-70, it never fails to make me smile! Much love from the UK 🇬🇧👊🏻

Why choose, get both lol. I have never used the 30-30 on anything though because it is not legal here on Ohio,..yet. But that 45/70 has been my go to since the straight wall rifle cartidge law passed here in 2015 and I never looked back. So far that has filled my freezer every year with at least 1 deer sometimes 2 or three. 300 gr JHP does the job just fine. 405 gr hard cast tears the meat up too bad if you shoot length wide through them. But 300 yds is the longest shots we get in SE Ohio in a power line right of way cut through the timber or across a bottom land cornfield at 200 yds.

A few of us were discussing the pros and cons of just these two cartridges today Joseph, as we sat chatting at our favorite Gun Store. Boy oh boy, this video is going to be welcomed next week when I get back there to ruffle a few more feathers! Thanks for this great information, it`s ( as I said ) sure going to be a source of good information for more chatter.

The 30-30 is great for deer sized animals or home defense against human intruders. The 45-70 is a Buffalo cartridge and brown bear sized game. It is definitely a great stopping round for anything on the North American continent a lot of game on the others.

Something else you didn't touch on is the laws. Some states like I think Ohio, Indiana and Illinois are primarily shot gun only for deer hunting as far as modern guns and rifles like the 308, 30/30,6.5 Creedmoor or any bottle neck cartridge is illegal. However they allow straight wall cartridges for rifles for instance 45/70,44 magnum, 357 magnum, and 45 long colt. So depending on the laws of particular state or area you might need to have the 4570 to be legal.

Talking with rural folks, who defend their livestock and hunt for meat (not social media weekend whatever...) they talk 30-30 lever action. After the 30-06, 270, and 30-30 are talk about for hunting...the 45-70 and 444 are mentioned.

Have both, love 'em both equally!

The 58/50 was the first ever Metallic cartridges it was used in the Spencer rifle or carbine it was likewise the first lever action

@LibertysetsquareJack

14 күн бұрын

Spencer is still not a true lever action because the hammer must be manually actuated by the operator for each shot.

I have both. I always have a difficult time deciding which one I want to use, so I sometimes take both. Not both out in the field but on different trips.

Great video. It just all depends where you live and the critters ya got there. As for my Ozarks, 30-30 is all ya need mostly. Long shots, go bolt action.

I couldn't decide between the 30-30 and 45-70, so I got both! Both Henrys, love them.

@66smithra

10 күн бұрын

Bingo!

@rogerj.fugere3570

Күн бұрын

Good decision.

Good, Thx

I don't currently own a lever action but I want to get one! Just waiting for the right buy to come along.

@WillyK51

15 күн бұрын

If you Hunt, take a good look at the Browning BLR. Light, Sleek and fast, in many modern cartridges, from 22-250/243 to 358/450 Marlin and 7Rem Mag and 300 Win Mag, and a lot of in betweens. If a Classic then there are quite a few older very fine cartridges

love these type vidios

Great video!!! I own both in the Henry rifles. I’ve harvested many deer with the old reliable 30-30. Just bought the 45-70 and will hunt with it this deer season and plan on a hog and black bear hunt in the future. Thanks for this important information!!! Bud Cary.

Popularity aside, the "best" lever action cartridges ever made would be 348 win, or the 338 marlin. Energy levels in the 30-06 range, with projectiles heavy enough for moose and big bears. Lever caliber come and go. 7-30, 307, 356, 38-55, 375win, and so on. But the fact the 45-70 and 30-30 are still around is amazing not just for lever guns, but for a center-fire round in general.

The Winchester Model 1886 was also adopted by the US Army. The 45-70 caliber GOVT was also the round used in Gatling guns, most popularly with an Ackles feed. I had a friend who was a range master at the start of WWII at a major army base. They didn't have enough current issue rifles to train all the troops, but they had a whole bunch of old 1886 Winchesters, so they used these to train troops in "heavy calibers." He claimed they had some rifles there with 300K rounds through them that still worked well and shot accurately.

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

That's impressive stuff. Nothing quite like the JMB designs. Arguably Miroku makes them better than they have ever been made to date, without respect to a particular safety feature.

I have contender barrels in both 30-30 and 45-70. So I’m live in the best of both worlds

Gday ron! Newbie here and loving the info off this channel, Thank you!! ive spent a fortnight researching hours every day on a bunch of calibres andit seems ive found a good ideal ( not suprisingly) im looking into a 223 then discovered 556 nato is “the same” with higher pressure… well now researching this clearly incredibly controversial topic im coming up with nothing at all yet it seems an obvious question!!! Lets say if i had a rifle in 556 will it shoot the 223 rounds just as accurate? i know each is individual so accounting for that id love to have the ability to use both but id mostly use the cheaper 223 rounds

So 30 06 got it I'm sticking with my 270

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

This episode is about lever actions, it's just a whole different set of use cases compared to bolt action.

Sorry I've been spoiled, the best lever action rifle in the northeast was the Savage 99, the best chambered cartridge the 300 Savage until eclipsed by the 308 Winchester. The Savage 99 rotary or detachable box magazine allowed the use of spritzer bullets in cartridges more than adequate for white tailed deer, black bear and moose in the back woods and also allow 200-250 yard shots across fields at deer. Recoil is modest and the action smooth as silk.

I have a CVA Scout 45-70 using the Hornady 325 gr and my velocity avg of 5 shots is 1965 fps and a nice 1.125” group at 100-yds. Recoil is manageable with the muzzle brake. Definitely hearing protection for hunting.

@rogerj.fugere3570

Күн бұрын

You gave me CVA Scout 45-70 envy. They are currently sold out of the TD version. Someday…

I like the 30-06 much more than the 308! Oh shoot, wrong video. I like the 30/30 and 45-70 equally, but my 32 win special stole my heart long ago. Great video thank you!

Highly recommend the 380 grain Lehigh solid copper flat nose. That is what I carry if I have my 45-70 with me in the woods. Hits like a hammer and recoil is a tad less due to the slightly lighter bullet. It has a pretty wide meplat, so it actually creates a surprisingly wide wound channel.

I like to clean my guns and watch your videos 🤙🏽

@BackcountryHuntingPodcast

15 күн бұрын

Sounds like a good time! 😂

38/55

I reloaded my marlin 45-70 with 350 grain flat nose at 1900 fps. Kicked pretty good. 405 grain factory ammo mild recoil about 1300 fps.

I like my savage 99 in 243 win.

@kennethbrooks4425

14 күн бұрын

As do I with my Savage 99 in 300 Savage.

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

Browning BLR offers chambering for most bottleneck spitzer bullet cartridges these days.

I got a few 444 marlin s P outfitter s And xlr,, A some 480 ruger s Got the 45 70 1873 trapdoor ballistics

My Model 64 & 94 are Made in America, no doubt it is completely made in the USA every piece of it. My friend would say if you asked him if he knew if the rifle was made in the USA, he would shout out "All of it! All of it!! The man says that if it's made in America it will be made right and lasts for a lifetime dependent on what you buy and spend. My Winchesters is are very well made and I would, I could, count on them everywhere.

Great timing! I’ve been trying to decide between 30-30 or 45-70 for my next purchase. 30-30 is more practical for me, but 45-70 is just awesome.

@rogerj.fugere3570

Күн бұрын

I’ve been thinking about picking up a 45/70 single shot, break action. Have you made a decision yet?

@joncook6331

Күн бұрын

@@rogerj.fugere3570 no I keep going back and forth. Plus all the levers are EXPENSIVE

@exothermal.sprocket

15 сағат бұрын

You'll shoot the .30-30 more often, probably. It's a real peach. It's just as much Americana as the other and it's no slouch by any means. Consider ammo weight and rifle weight as well. Go watch Paul Harrell on the .30-30.

Maroku has been building rifles for Browning, Winchester, and Weatherby as well as other rifle companies.

Thank you. Wife has a marlin 92 saddle ring in 38-40. Beaut even with some pitting…but….I would looove a modern 30-30 marlin for her instead. Just here in za affording that is out. For me, marlin 45-70. Good for home defense if need be….load with multi-ball.

Technically we first adopted a .58 caliber rimfire cartridge then the “.50-70” centerfire before it was repackaged as the .45-70. However originally we were trying to convert the 1861 Springfield to cartridge firing. We used the same barrels for the rimfire then a barrel liner for the .50-70. However by the time we went to a .45 we decided it didn’t make sense to convert. So most all trapdoor Springfields are of all original manufacturing.

Joseph, how about doing a comparison of the 1895 Winchester in 405, compared to the 45-70?

@tacticalskiffs8134

15 күн бұрын

Good luck finding any ammo. It is easier to find 50 Alaskan, but Winchester keeps churning out the 95 in 405, without any ammo. I want a 95 in 9.3x62 (the 95 was made in 30-06 as you know so a conversion to the 9.3 is easy).

@fedup3582

15 күн бұрын

@@tacticalskiffs8134 I already have my 1895 in 405. I hope more ammo will be produced to supply the 405's that are out already, but I stocked up on ammo and also bullets to reload if necessary, but I still hope more ammo will be produced anyway. I had a leveraction 45-70. I have hunted with the 45-70. I still have some single shot 45-70's. I still have my 1895 in 405. I did have some single shots in 405 but unfortunately life doesn't always go as you wish. I wish I could get the 1885 in 405 back. Hunting with both the 405 and 45-70, I have been more pleased with the 405. Both cartridges have been used on dangerous game. Using standard factory ammo, I believe the 405 is better for dangerous game than the 45-70. The 45-70 is better served for dangerous game with the specialty high pressure loads. Both are sufficient for bear. Both have been used on African dangerous game but there are better calibers for African dangerous game. The 45-70 has its place, my preference runs to the 405, for my hunting, and due to my hunting experience with both cartridges. I will still like to see them make a comparison of the two cartridges, just to see their take. Both have their pros and cons, each person has their own intended useages, and everyone can decide for themselves what rifle and cartridge will best suit their purpose.

@fedup3582

15 күн бұрын

@@tacticalskiffs8134 there have already been 1895 winchesters converted to the 9.3x62. Also to the 338-06, and 375 whelen, and other similar cartridges. It wouldn't surprise me to find that someone has converted one to 400 whelen also. In my opinion, the 405 is a capable cartridge and also possesses the historical significance. The other calibers do not. Particular cartridges might possess their own historical significance but not in the 1895 rifle. People who have an 1895, particularly in the 405 chambering seem to be quite pleased with them. Those that have converted theirs seem very pleased with their conversions. I think more variations of the 1895 could be made (different barrel lengths, etc) and in more calibers, but in this day and age of "wannabe snipers". Chassis stocked bolt actions, and high BC bullets, I seriously doubt it will ever happen. It is amazing that the 45-70 and 30-30 are still around, but the fact that they are, shows that such rifles and cartridges still have relevance and it is a shame that the majority of the modern shooting public doesn't seem to be able to grasp that concept.

@66smithra

10 күн бұрын

@@tacticalskiffs8134why don’t you just handload?

@exothermal.sprocket

16 сағат бұрын

@@66smithra Do research on .405 Winchester component availability. It's like hens' teeth. Extremely difficult to find brass, even from boutique manufacturers. You might put in an order for a run if you're willing to pay 4-5$ per casing for several hundred. And then there's the .412 caliber bullet issue... If you're inclined to branch away from 458 caliber (.45-70) to something smaller, consider the .444 Marlin. Or you could go with the .38-55 or .375 Winchester (the later which will be a used-market proposition). The .30-30 is a better option than .38-55 or .375 at most moderate ranges, which is why it won the popularity contest a long time ago. .38-55 is pretty cool, but it only returned due to competition shooting.

Best cartridge....both, both is good.

I'd like a Ruger no 1 in 375 ruger or 444 Marlin, how easy is it to customize barrel and chamberings ?

@r.awilliams9815

15 күн бұрын

If you're re-barreling a #1, just tell your gunsmith what you what. The choices are practically infinite, I've seen #1's in .17 Hornet all the way up to .500 Nitro Express.

what do you require to use if for first question of course then do you already have one or can get one?

Im confused how the 444 Marlin didnt take off better.

@r.awilliams9815

15 күн бұрын

A poor choice of projectiles and a poor choice of twist rate by Marlin, IMO. It came out with 240 grain .44 Magnum projectiles that often performed poorly at .444 velocities, and with a slow 1-38 twist rate you really couldn't load any projectiles heavier than about 300 grains, and at the time, no one even made 300 grain .44 caliber jacketed projectiles. The whole point of a big bore lever gun is being able to take on big tough critters, but you couldn't do that with the .444, not reliably.

@davewinter2688

14 күн бұрын

The 240 grain was the 44 magnum pistol bullet. The 265 grain bullet was designed later as a rifle bullet. With that weight bullet the 444 is capable of taking anything in North America at reasonable distances. A friend took a large Canadian bull moose. One shot DRT at a little over 200 yards.

@chrisaerts6489

14 күн бұрын

@@davewinter2688 the 444 just seams better than the 45 70

@davewinter2688

14 күн бұрын

@@chrisaerts6489 “Better” is purely subjective depending on what your needs are. If comparing factory loads that comply with SAAMI MAP standards the 444 will out perform factory 45-70 loads that are safe to shoot in trapdoor Springfield rifles. if you hand load 45-70 with loads that are labeled for 1895 Marlin or stronger actions only, then the 45-70 loads will have more muzzle energy and down range performance at least to a certain distance. If you have a Ruger #1 or Siamese Mauser like I have then the 45-70 can have velocity and energy levels close to .458 Winchester Magnum. Hand loads for 444 Marlin generally are not much better than factory loads.

@exothermal.sprocket

15 сағат бұрын

@@chrisaerts6489 It's not. It's great, but it doesn't achieve quite the same energy or the same diameter hole, at any of the usual ranges both of these are fired. That's comparing the +p .45-70 with the standard .444 which runs pretty high pressures by comparison. The main issue has been .429 projectile integrity which must be considered due to pistol bullet velocities of the same caliber.

If popularity leads to "best", then Taylor Swift is a real talent. Next theory?

The best lever action cartridge is one originally cambered in the best lever action rifle. That is the Winchester 1886 and the 45-70.

I want both. 😍

Not popularity, but for ballistics are the .444 Marlin and .450 Marlin good? Could you get ammo for these two easily in the USA?

@exothermal.sprocket

15 сағат бұрын

.450 Marlin isn't being made much lately. It's ballistically a hot .45-70 shooting the same bullets, but with most strong actions these days offered in the .45-70 the .450 Marlin is just falling off the radar mostly. .444 Marlin is a stout higher pressure cartridge and is formidable at the same ranges, faster if nothing else. Stout .45-70 still outperforms it, and makes a 14% bigger hole. Yet with tougher .429 bullets being made today, there's still good options for the triple-4.

What about the .35 Remington? That is my preference especially for a brush gun. Nice review.

I love my 30-30, be cool to see a video on all lever action calibers and a comparison an purpose

I have an original trapdoor Springfield .45-70 rifle (not carbine) which I love to shoot. The problem is I'm running short of the ammunition that came with the gun when I inherited it from my father over twenty years ago and he was already starting to worry about factory ammo being too strong for the gun. How do I ensure that I'm getting ammo that is safe for this rifle now that higher performance ammunition is becoming more prevalent with the advent of the newer guns? One of my children will soon be inheriting the rifle from me and they all love it as much as I do.

Good discussion about the potential for kinetic energy numbers to be misleading. I do think that kinetic energy is a useful statistic when you are comparing similar weight bullets, or especially when talking about energy retained down range at 200, 300 or 400 yards. Some cartridges/bullets lose velocity quickly over distance and that multiplier kicks in, showing a big loss in energy.

What should I do I got hit on the left side of my face I think coughing iron about a month ago no concussion only needed three stitches stitches. I got cleared to do shooting sports I shoot left-handed so the stock on the left side of my face and the pain is starting to come back, even though the injury happened a month ago any recommendations for how to stop the pain from coming back and not hurting while chewing tougher items l've been doing icing ibuprofen.

dang this is crazy i am looking at both and wondering which one to buy

definitely the 32 special is the best lever action cartridge ever

Yeah, nah.... .35 Remington.... Love them all, and I have tons of different chamberings. Waiting on Marlin to make another stainless .30-30... I need one of those.

Nice model 55

Im a lever action guy myself. Although I have a 30-30, and 45-70 I enjoy both but prefer 30-06 lever. A Savage 99 in 300 Savage is a fantastic rifle too

Certain states have gone unconstitutional as far as particular rifles for home defense. Lever actions seem to be filling that roll in large numbers. I was looking at a 44 magnum as one of those rifles as well as a deer rifle. Would this be adequate for deer in say 100 to 150 yards, or go with the 3030? Thanks, love the content.

@letsdothis9063

12 күн бұрын

Yes. .44 magnum will do just fine. 150yrds I kind of pushing it, but I have seen it done. I borrowed a buddies ruger 10/44, (he has taken deer at 150 with it). I took a few from about 50-75, and took one at exactly 100yds (it was standing by a marker when I took the shot. I only had to track one, and that was my fault. Most took a few steps, if any. A .44mag, coming out of a rifle (or carbine) length barrel is an absolute man stopper. So .44mag will definitely work for home defense. I don't currently own one, but I have been looking for a good 10/44 for years. Everyone that I have found for sale was really beat up, or waayy overpriced. I'm kind of in a financial crunch right now, because of health problems, but I will have a .44mag rifle at some point. I fell in love with that ruger 10/44, but I will probably end up with a lever gun. .44 mag is just perfect for where I'm living right now. My primary is a .308 model 700, but there are any shots past 100yrds on my entire property.

Is there another metric that would account for the weight of the projectile more accurately. Any chance you would make a video discussing kinetic energy calculations and why they come up short for these calculations?

Never tried shooting the 4570,,, but 3030 is badass.. i got 3 levers ,,,, marlin 30as,, model 94,, henry steel,,,, im thinking of adding a Rossi R95 too my 3030 colllection,,, the 20” one or the trapper, im not sure… thinking trapper just to have a different one

Best??? A 30-30 might be 'most popular'....but best?? I'd think a Browning BLR in 358 Winchester for North America would be hard to beat. 35 Remington in a Marlin nearly gets you to 358 win. Alot of people seem to think the 360 Buckhammer will replace a 35 Rem and while it might based on advertising it wont be based on what it delievers - look at the differences - a 360 Buckhammer is starting at a working pressure of 50,000 psi to match basic factory 35 Remington which is SAAMI pressure max at 33,500psi. This low pressure rating is for the old turn of the 20th century guns. In a modern Marlin rifle you can take that pressure level right up to any other Marlin like a 30-30 or 444 and 35 rem Buffalo Bore ammunition takes advantage of that fact. For the reloader I'd say the most versatile 'best' levergun round is 358 Winchester, but due to rarity I'd go 35 Remington, because even if you dont reload factory Hornady 35 rem matches 360 Buckhammer and Buffalo Bore easily surpasses it. All at much lower pressure levels. If you reload its no contest - 35 Rem is hard to beat. Most popular??? 30-30 easily hands down

@OntarioBearHunter

15 күн бұрын

Hard to find 35 rem, 32 Win, 358 , savage calibres etc in many places.. So 30 30 and 45 70 are best, like saying BMWs are the best engines, until you realize they need premium highboctane gas that isn't available in 80 percent of the world

@leveractiongypsy1848

15 күн бұрын

@@OntarioBearHunter I'd agree to a degree. 35 Remington is more available than it was 20 yrs ago, but still not as common. I reload, so it really comes down to brass for me. I have over 500 pieces so I dont even think availability. 358 Winchester brass? Its 308 Win that goes through a full length sizing die and comes out 358 Win. AR/LR308s are very common - and cheap. A $250 barrel swap gets you a 358 Win. Back to best....If I was planning a hunt that was a plane trip first I'd make sure I 'didnt forget ammo" (duh) and maybe even pre ship ammo before I even left. If I used a 'marginal cartridge' on a dangerous game hunt because it was 'easy to find'....maybe I deserve a 'Darwin Award' haha