So in so many words, I'm still good with my old .270 Win.

@mot0rhe4d40

2 жыл бұрын

She's been doing her job and doing it well since my grandparents were children. Don't know why old 270 would stop now. 😁

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

Why do we buy a new car or truck when the old one runs just fine? Sometimes we just want a new one. That's why some of us have so many guns. lol

@FAtE_454

2 жыл бұрын

Just because something new and shiney comes along it doesn't automatically make something that's worked well, forever, irrelevant.. if you're getting consistent rounds on target and dumping enough energy to ethically harvest game... Well, you can't really make it deader 🤷

@mot0rhe4d40

2 жыл бұрын

I did give the 270 WSM when it came out. Not being a natural lefty, but having to shoot long arms southpaw. I found a short action suited my situation better. For long action calibers, Levers, Semis or pump actions work better. It just hard to out shine the time tested 😉. Sure won't stop me from picking up new toys though lol.

@PeteHemdem

2 жыл бұрын

@@FAtE_454 A couple of years ago I went caribou hunting in Newfoundland. Took my .270 to the range, made sure it was sighted in. 2" groups at 200 yards. Not messing with THAT kind of accuracy. Took a medium sized bull which is still a 450 pound beast. One hunter in camp thought he would buy his ammo in Canada, he had a custom 6.5 Creedmore. He was able to find it, eventually. No problem finding .270 Win anywhere I've looked.

I’ve used a 270 win for most of my adult life on deer and elk. It has always performed perfectly .

ron sitting with his grandkids "poppa can we have our allowance?'' "alright we're gonna pull up some charts here''

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

How'd you know, Richard?

@grumpygrumpgrump136

2 жыл бұрын

In my mind I can see that plain as day. We need a lot more Ron Spomers in this old world now days.

@jwdundon

Ай бұрын

​@@RonSpomerOutdoorsallowance? Let's go to the range and Easter egg hunt some BRASS! (Then, we will go find some SHED antlers). There is your allowance.

Been hunting (and culling) and guiding with the .270Win since the mid-90’s on everything from duiker to large eland bulls. It is my first choice with a premium quality 150gr bullet. As long as I can hunt, I’ll own a .270Win.

@michaeldavid6284

Жыл бұрын

Pleasantly surprised to hear you've taken eland with the .270. Do any of your colleagues or friends give you a hard time for not using larger calibers for African game?

Oddly enough, there was a frequent customer back in the mid 1970's who came to our shop with parts in hand for silver soldering .270 Winchester brass cases onto stainless steel case heads. The final cartridge was a wildcat, the 6.5/270. He claimed good accuracy and flat shooting for doing wolf control in Alaska from a Cessna. Don't know what became of him, but what a character. Where ever you are Ron Marquart, it was a blast to be part of that!

Thank you Ron. I've lived in Texas for most of my life and have always looked up to the 270 Winchester with admiration. It still gets the job done for me.

@MrSnead-vp1ll

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a preference on a scope. Mines a bolt action.

@F14Goose37

2 жыл бұрын

I bought a .270 win when I was 18. Then after many years doing a different kind of shooting when I was in the military, and afterwards in my professional life as a civilian, I started hunting again. I make a lot more money now and have looked at a lot of the cool new rounds, but it nothing I have seen is enticing enough to make me buy a new rifle chambered in something else. Nothing really makes a big enough difference for me to feel like I need anything else for the North American big game and varmints I hunt.

@markgolden1418

2 жыл бұрын

I love 270 fantastic all around cartridge, even up here in canada.

@michaelapple2753

2 жыл бұрын

I've got a plain old .270 myself I love. It's not got what my 7mm STW has but it's got enough, plenty for whitetails and I've taken my biggest yet with it. I could see me getting a .300 RUM though or something at the low end like the .223 shortmag, or another one of those .22 cals that allow you to shoot a 75gr+ bullet effectively.

Kinda a good story ……35 years ago my grandfather only used a 30-30….then he bought a 270 win……he was no expert on calibers or ballistics he just liked to hunt, but WV has some long shots. We are out hunting one day and he shows me where my dad shot a doe from….I said wow that is a long ways….probably 450 yards. He said yeah that is why I have a 270 now. I have always been a 270 win fan period. First high powered rifle I ever shot too….great rifle and cartridge! Limited recoil and 130 or 140 grain are a recipe for disaster on game! Love mine!

@ViktoriousDead

2 жыл бұрын

There’s almost never a good reason to shoot a deer at 450yds east of the Mississippi

@imadogsass6717

2 жыл бұрын

@@ViktoriousDead I guess it depends on how good a shooter you are. There are guys out there who can shoot a playing at 500 yards all day everyday. I’ll submit to the better judgement of a master and realize my own limitations. Happy hunting.

@davidsignor7931

2 жыл бұрын

@@ViktoriousDead you don't hunt where we do

270 Winchester is one of the greatest western game cartridges ever made. Been taking game since 1925. Great video again Ron! Really enjoy your channel.

@zorro456

Жыл бұрын

More like you practice your shots.

@eriksforestryvision8751

8 ай бұрын

270 & 30-06 just can't go wrong

Hey that's one heck of a rooster spur, old wiseguy! I love my plain old 270, it is plenty of medicine wherever I go or hunt with it. My elk never got 20 yards away from ground zero at a range of 225yards and I honestly don't usually take a shot on big game after 300 yards. Just too many factors can vary bullet placement and I like seeing my animal fall quickly and humanely. Seems to me that many of these cartridges have something going for them, I'm just not too interested in buying another 270 bore when my 270 still does exactly what I want. The video is interesting and I enjoyed seeing the comparisons.

Hey Ron love your videos my wife surprised me one day , (she worked at Knob Creek gun range), when she got home she handed me a brand new Remington Sendero in .270 Winchester! I fell in love, sweetest trigger I ever pulled on a factory rifle. After I outfitted it with a scope and bipod and a few sessions at the range finding the right ammo at that time, I sighted her in at 300 yards. When i'm on my game i've shot 4 round groups that you can cover with a quarter. I've only used her as a hole puncher but when we go to the range and shoot my baby I give my honey a big hug and a kiss for the wonderful rifle she gave me 24 years ago.

My first rifle purchase was a 270 WSM. I absolutely love it for white tail hunting

Ron, I'll stick with the 270 Win. Good enough for me.

@repetemyname842

2 жыл бұрын

JC: Same here, been shooting deer and bear with one for over 30 years, no need to change now.

@DJohns-nz4ul

2 жыл бұрын

But if you were to start today ?

@toddk1377

2 жыл бұрын

Me too, 270Win is much more common and easier to find and the price isn't too bad.

@georgewhitworth9742

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJohns-nz4ul If I were starting today, I'd probably stick with the ones that are still more popular/numerous, and show promise for sticking around better

@michaelapple2753

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I shoot in between the 130/150gr with those 139 SST (faster) Hornady bullets and they perform quite well out of my .270 Win.

270 win is classic and deadly. I opted for a 270 wsm because I like a short action and the little extra oomph is always welcome. Nothing you can't kill in North America with these 270s. Great video as always, thanx for all the work you do Ron!

I love these caliber comparisons, Ron! Also great work on putting together the charts for us!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! Thanks.

@jayklink851

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with everything you said Drew. Gosh, I've only been getting into firearms for the last 5 years or so, but I've come to appreciate the European, or global, measuring system. For instance, If I see 6.2x52mm on a box, chart or ammo box, I can immediately have a decent estimate of velocity, weight and bullet trajectory. However, if someone mentions a '243' round, without have prior knowledge of the cartridge, it's hard for me to picture the length of the cartridge or its ballistic performance. I guess one can always hope the community adopts a bit more of the metric :)

@williammcclelland6789

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yes sir. A very enjoyable video indeed.

@EVLfreak666

2 жыл бұрын

@@jayklink851 imperial and metric are both used in the U.S. for many things. If you haven't mastered both systems yet that's your fault.

@jayklink851

2 жыл бұрын

@@EVLfreak666 No, I get that we inherited the imperial system, I'm just saying metric is straight forward, even superior, compared to imperial. For instance, .416 vs 10.6 x 83 mm. For someone unfamiliar with the cartridge, the latter immediately gives you some idea of the case capacity and potential velocity, that's all I'm saying.

The old 270 Winchester was and is enough gun for 99.5% of anything you'll ever hunt from Moose to coyotes without it being a stunt like lesser powered rounds. Old but Excellent in the field!

6.5x55 Swede has been using heavy bullets for years on Moose in Nordic countries and it worked pretty well. That 160 grain bullet goes pretty deep.

@mysterioanonymous3206

2 жыл бұрын

True, but not very far. In Sweden it's all forest, so they don't take long shots at all there and thus can use heavier bullets in small calibers for large animals.

@nathan22outdoors8

2 жыл бұрын

only up to 160gr and even then they are going 2550fps, the 27 nosler is doing 3160fps with a 165gr and even the 6.8 is doing 2970 with a 165gr according to their box and people have tested it at just under that.

@SkellyWaggs

Жыл бұрын

Okay?….

@zorro456

Жыл бұрын

@@SkellyWaggs It just works like the 7mms

Ron, thanks! I have a big soft spot in my heart for the 270 win. My Dad’s favorite cartridge became mine; my first bolt action, my first deer, and soon to be my next with either the 6.8 Western or 27 Nosler. I love your videos. Kind regards. Joe

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Right on. Thanks Joe, and enjoy your 270s.

@308dad8

2 жыл бұрын

That’s where a lot of cartridges get the warmest reception. For me 30-30 Winchester was passed down by my Stepdad and we both hunt with 30-30’s. I really like 25-06 though and put a lot of meat on the table with one and I got exposed to that through a good friend who helped me understand and begin reloading. So many great cartridges out there it’s hard to choose sometimes

Ron first high powered rifle I ever owned was a 270.... An I'm just glad to hear you call it a war horse..

As always. Great video Ron. I’ve worked as a mechanic for Caterpillar for over 20 years and as technology has changed rapidly we have to stay current to diagnosis issues thus we have to go to classes. I asked a young engineer that was explaining a new Hydraulic control valve functions WHY. Just WHY did y’all replace a tried and proven functional control valve with one that’s new, more complex, and not proven, that does exactly the same thing. He said. “I’m an Engineer and I get paid to Innovate, not duplicate”. That answer speaks Volumes.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent point, Carlos. It explains the never ending "upgrades" to computer software. How can anyone get efficient with any tool when they keep changing how it works?!

@blythkd9017

2 жыл бұрын

That engineer's response doesn't surprise me at all. I often wonder why things keep getting changed, vehicle options in particular, when there was nothing in wrong with the old style. I find myself continually frustrated with these new high dollar vehicles where the very source of my frustration had a better design on past models years ago that did not frustrate me. Engineers just keep screwing up what wasn't broke! And this frustration extends to many other items in today's society other than just cars and trucks. And don't even get me started on ease of maintenance.

@redrock425

2 жыл бұрын

As the saying goes "follow the money". Always reveals the truth.

Now take Sig's idea of a steel based case and do the same thing to the 6.8SPC, to give our Soldiers a hell of a thumper and flatter shooting cartridge.

@peternorton5648

2 жыл бұрын

Check out the video of the proposed new rifle and squad gun that Sig has for the DOD to test. It’s using this new casing/caliber for it That are a piece of work for certain. Idk if Uncle is quite ready to go away from 5.56 completely yet or not. Having a whole new caliber might be much for them to swallow all at once. I guess we will see at some point.

6.8 spc is so underrated and handicapped by sammi not recognizing the spc2 chamber. I shoot 90 grain bullets at 2850 fps and 130 grain bullets at 2350 from a 12.5 inch barrel. Jump up to a 20 inch barrel and im getting 130's at 2575 fps. I've killed deer out to 275 yards with no problem. You don't need a cannon to killed animals, just looked at what broad heads can do

And in another decade, how many of the new ones are going to just be flash in the pan? I remember the hype on the WSM. And I was stupid and bought one, it had a crooked chamber, and will the US Repeating Arms would not fix it, said it was good. I had it rebbarreled sighted it in, shot way better and it's been a safe queen ever since. It's a 300 WSM, I may do a re barrel again to 270 as I should have in the first place. The 270 Winchester is coming up on 100 years of use, my guess it's still going to rule the roost in another 100 years still.

@idleonlooker1078

2 жыл бұрын

That's why I've ALWAYS stayed with the tried and true "standard" calibres: 223 Rem, 30/06, 9.3x62 and 458 Win Mag - as the game haven't changed, these calibres will keep on doing their job - so I can't go far wrong using any of them. 👍

@jerryware5749

Жыл бұрын

@@idleonlooker1078 I hear ya. There are so many calibers with overlapping performance it ain't even funny. Maybe because the magazine writers need something new to promote and market. Like the 6.5 Creedmore which is a good performing caliber, but the Swedes covered that in the 1890s in the 6.5x55. Some people feel like they must have the latest and greatest when the performance isn't much different than something that already exists. Marketing hype.

He lines them up, talks about what each does, and compares them as he goes. A beautiful presentation.

Great presentation Ron. As you indicated, there were only two cartridges for the .277 diameter bullets for many years. My Dakota 76 is chambered in 270 Winchester and has served me well. It is not only a superb shooter but features a highly figured piece of English walnut that still appeals to us FUDDS.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Fudds forever! Walnut rules.

Love my 270's and 270wsm. Works for everything

I use a .270 Winchester. 50 yards extra for nearly double the recoil with the modern stuff, still see no reason to change, lovely vid.

@redtobertshateshandles

Жыл бұрын

Yep. .270 in a light rifle has stout recoil. People want more?? I bet they don't shoot those magnums much..

I got a 270 wsm. Incredible gun

I’ve used 270 from Louisiana to Alberta and all that was needed was a Bullet change from SGK and Ballistic Tips for the southern deer 130 grain to 130 partitions for northern deer and elk. Zero complaints from me or the deer

As always Ron I enjoy watching your videos on cartridge comparisons, you always have a great way of explaining in great detail, the differences and ballistics with your paper charting. Good job 👍 Keep shooting my friend!

Well done video. Informative and balanced. The 6.8 would still be my choice for here in western Canada simply due to the bullet weight, higher BC, higher sectional density for our larger game and just because it’s new. However, the old 270 was never a failure for any of these animals and will never be.

As a southern boy that hunts creek bottoms, a good ole .270 Winchester with a 150 grain round nose is a real killer. Thanks for another good video!!!

My granddad had a South Gate Weatherby built for him in 270 Winchester. When asked why he didn’t get 270 Weatherby Mag he explained that he wanted to be able to find ammo at any hardware store when traveling (this was back when hardware stores often sold ammo).

Another great video! I love all of the supplemental information you provide. It’s a great history lesson almost every episode!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew.

Thanks for the knowledge about 270 ammo and their different versions, Ron Spomer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great episode Ron. Fun to watch and very informative.

Great video.. absolutely love my 270wsm it's my go to for deer

Thanks for your fair critique when comparing calibres Ron: straight talking without knocking anyone's "pet" calibre. I've just subscribed. 👍

Thanks for doing a side by side run down of the caliber family of the .277s. I have had a 270 Win and so has my youngest brother for 15-20 years and love it. Our cousin loves his 270 WSM and recently got a Tikka T3x Superlite in .270 Win. I have thought about trying the 6.8 Western in a lightweight mountain rifle, but those are still hard to find

Thank you for the detailed information

How many times can the wheel be re-invented? My buddies laughed at me years after purchasing a Kimber Montana in .270 WSM after shooting the old .270 Winchester for years!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Its evolution, Brian. Folks just like to tweak toward perfection. Needed? No. But interesting, even fun? Yup.

I absolutely love this guy

I love and appreciate the efforts you put into The technical differences of centerfire cartridges. Lucky for everyone there's alot of overlap in actual usefulness. But it's comparing them with one another that is so much fun, I do think you are the primary source of expertise on these matters. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience

Great video as always, thank you. I still love my old 270, I have a Sako 85 hunter in that caliber and apart from the poor ejection issue, I love the combination

Another great episode Ron! Of course I'm partial to the .270WSM that I own!

I really enjoy these cartridge comparison videos! I'm really getting excited to hunt with my new 6.8 western. I bought my first browning xbolt and it's a dream to shoot! kinda has recoil close to a 223 with the muzzle break and recoil pad.

With the availability of barrels with a faster twist, and longer bullets to run in them, it makes me want build a 270 Ackley or Gibbs, getting the most out of the full length case.

@carlosfigueroa847

2 жыл бұрын

If you're getting a fast-twist 277 barrel, might as well go with a Gibbs or Sherman as I'm sure you'll be reloading. It'll be a project, but if it were me, I'd look at the 27 nosler for hunting. You can play with the 270 bullets all you want, and you'll have some support. Plus, you'll actually be able to get those 165+ grain bullets to really boogie.

@bradleytyrrell4417

2 жыл бұрын

I owne a 270ai and I'm pushing a 130gr at 3315fps and it hits hard. I built mine with a 1/10 twist because heavier bullets aren't available here in Australia yet. In my opinion you should build one you won't regret it mate

@andrewgates9333

2 жыл бұрын

Just avoid belted calibers of 270. That way rebarreeling to the same casehead cartridges is easy.

@G5Hohn

2 жыл бұрын

There’s still a huge lack of high bc bullets in .277 vs 284. Step up another 0.007” and gain a lot of versatility and superior projectile selection.

@carlosfigueroa847

2 жыл бұрын

@@G5Hohn you're not wrong. It's a travesty that the 280 never because the more popular cartridge over the 270. Even old-ish rifles are twisted faster than 1/10

This is a good presentation. I'm impressed by his knowledge.

Man, really well made video. I like your production. Very informative. I get like my pops was teaching me all over again.

Great video as usual Ron Thank you , Steve from Australia .

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks again Steve!

Thanks Ron for another great comparison video. You keep coming up with new and quality content that is not boring and a rehash of a rehash.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks, Darren.

Thank you Ron..another very informative video

Love the 270Win and .277 Calibre.

Awesome video, it's very hard to beat a .270 in 140 or 150.grain, at least for pretty much everything from plinking to elk

Thank you Ron! You have the most enjoyable thunder stick channel on Censor Tube! I grew up going to our local Gsmith shop and if our work was done for the day we would grab lunch and head for Larry’s shop. Everyday a new group of visitors along with the regulars would discuss cartridges and history of manufactures along with a fair amount if prevarication to keep the listeners scratching their heads. With the exception of prevarication you and your delivery would fit right in at Larry’s. That is the best compliment I can give. Dry best regards, David

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

The non-prevaricator compliment works for me, David. Thanks!

Ron you are a class act. I enjoyed you .270 research. I own 2 270's and I load for them so any and all info is helpful.

By the way Ron I just want to tell you thank you so much for what you share I love your channel I've learned so much

Thanks for the great videos Ron. I would like to see your library and mention some of your favorite books you have in your collection.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Noted! Thanks.

I'll stick with my old 270 winchester and my 270 wby mag if I need a little more thump!

@bs431980

2 жыл бұрын

The 270 wby mag in an older model Mark V is probably the coolest looking bolt gun ever IMO . That thing was built for long shots out west. With today’s bullet tech and hand loading data I don’t think any of the other long rang 27s are even valid. They are more of cartridge sex appeal lol 😂. 150 partition from that 270 wby through the lungs will dispatch elk and moose just fine. My buddy has taken couple decent bulls with 130 X bullets in regular 270 Winchester

@DaBellyMan318

2 жыл бұрын

I have a weatherby mark v synthetic and ruger no1 safe queen both on 270 wby mag

@bs431980

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaBellyMan318 dang sweet rigs

@DaBellyMan318

2 жыл бұрын

@@bs431980 thanks man! Lots of blood sweat and tears buying them sir!

I love watching your channel I learned so much about powders casing Lanes light and heavy bullets coefficiently I was aware of all these but getting the right balance and the best for different scenarios! Back in the '70s I shot a 6.5 Swede and then when Remington came out with a 6.5 Swede I bought a new one! Love that cartridge! And when the 6.5 Creedmoor come out I said well it doesn't have as much case room as my 6.5 Swede what I didn't know is the 6.5 Creedmoor is running more PSI! The different variables are fun for me to learn all about I'm an old man now but I still enjoy an education! Thank you very much!

Have shot a 270win with 140gr accubond handloads for many years. Will always be my go to for deer, elk and moose.

@ronlowney4700

2 жыл бұрын

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As a meat hunter I find that the 270 win is a meat bruiser, even with the monos and bonded bullets. Adding more velocity will just increase the bruising. My 270 win was my first rifle and was bought on the advice from the salesman. Although not perfect I have used it on game from blue wildebeest and kudu down to duiker and anything in between. I have downloaded the 150's to 2650 fps and it is deadly with little meat damage, and it is easy on the shoulder. As a target round, I think there are better options.

@jjgriffin3275

2 жыл бұрын

not if shot behind shoulder thru ribs and out the ribs but still exploding the heart and lungs, perfect broadside shot

@bootsandall3612

2 жыл бұрын

@@jjgriffin3275 yes, but I have had very few opportunities of the perfect broadside shot. Our African antelope anatomy also differs a little bit from the American/European deer.

@carloshathcock5518

2 жыл бұрын

@@bootsandall3612 Vitals are more forward correct? I’ve always found that fascinating about African game. It’s actually a much more protected area and makes more sense. Evolution at its finest. Way more predators in Africa. Amazing. I always wanted to hunt there! I’ve read so much about it. It truly is the proving grounds for cartridge, caliber, and bullet configuration. Your very blessed to have such diverse game.

@ar-ks4vi

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloshathcock5518 drive it to the heart. Don't bother with trifle details. Or shoulders

@bootsandall3612

2 жыл бұрын

@@carloshathcock5518 yes and lower down in the chest cavity. Protected by the shoulder joints.

Thanks for a good video, I enjoyed it. Still dont know why more rifle manufacturers didn't just put a faster twist barrel on the 270 win.

Jack O and Jim C would approve of your content. You are THE current “go too” on hunting cartridges. Thank you for keeping these old standards alive.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sidney. I hope I can live up to those comparison, but doubt it.

@andrewcleveland

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I have to agree with him Ron. I really appreciate your videos.

Excellent video I enjoyed the lesson on the cartridges differences

I'm getting 2975 with imr-7977 and federal 215 mag match primers out of 22 inch barrel. 150 gr. Nosler BT. Rem. 700 270. Win. .5 moa at 100 yds. Bullet seating depth is the key.

@robertfree1908

2 жыл бұрын

Now this guy is a handloader. Find that sweet spot through experimentation and you can always find something spicy that’s safe IN YOUR RIFLE. Congrats, Jeff, on a nice find

@jeffkocsis6405

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertfree1908 Thanks brother. Took me 20 years to figure it out but once I did all my rifles no shoot .5 moa. Very satisfying indeed.

@andrewcleveland

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great load man! I’ve heard people getting great speeds and accuracy with RL26 and 150 grain bullets also.

@jeffkocsis6405

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewcleveland Haent tried and of the Alliant powders for a while. I love the new IMR powders for the temp stability and I get no fouling whatsoever.

@andrewcleveland

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffkocsis6405 I’ve been using IMR4166 a lot lately in my 416 Taylor and 416 Remington Magnum. So far it has been a great powder for me. Use IMR 4451 some in my 6.5 creedmoor, but RL16 usually gets the nod over it in that cartridge. All of the IMR newer enduron powders were a great addition to the hand loader for sure.

BTW, the old (like me) fellas who keep saying there’s not much to gain beyond 270 win & Wtby are completely missing the point of a new SAAMI-spec’d cartridge with much faster twist barrels pushing high-BC bullets for long range. It’s time the old girl got her due.

Love the old .270 win. I personally always preferred the heavy for caliber 150 gr bullet. Thanks for showing the comparisons. Great information spelled out plainly.

Hello Ron, I would love to see the same kind of video, done on all the 6.5’s that are around. They seem to add more of em every year and it would be cool to see the difference between them!

@michaelapple2753

2 жыл бұрын

Just like here though the standard 6mm and the plain .243 aren't bad ones. I think I could go with some of the newer 6.5 offerings because they've improved on them along the way.

I love my 270 but I love my new 6.8 Western too. Alot of people watching our 6.8 vids can't wait to get their own. Nice vid

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks CR42. The 6.8 Western is a fun one.

270, one of the best all around cartridges ever.

I was lucky enough to find a model 70 .270 with a scope at local pawn shop for $500 it was born in 1968. Im very happy with my purchase.

Thank You Ron Spomer I have a .270 Winchester and I really really like it. I have three different loads I made for it! I really like the 130 grain Nosler Partition loads, but they're really expensive, so I just save those for hunting! I can plink with the 130 grain Hornady Interlock SP because they're a lot cheaper. Also, have 130 grain Barnes TTSX loaded up for hunting! These are all going over 3100 fps! I have a blast shooting this gun! I have also been hearing and reading about the 6.8 Western! That sounds like a great new cartridge!

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Enjoy that 270, Garrett.

@garrettforchrist2700

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video! I just found you a couple of months ago and I learn a lot from you!

I have been hunting with the WSM for almost 18 years, love it. Have never missed a Deer yet, longest shot has been 240 yards. I don’t like to take long shots at Deer, I don’t think it’s ethical. That just my opinion. I do want to get a 280 ai

@georgeking6901

2 жыл бұрын

A 280 AI has been a go-to cartridge for me since the late 80's. It is a great deal more popular today and can more than hold its own when running with the big dogs.

@lousypirate

2 жыл бұрын

I picked up my 270 wsm in a browning A-bolt on a pure happenstance sweetheart deal. Been loving it ever since... except maybe at the range. 3-4 and I'm over it hahahaha

@GARDENER42

2 жыл бұрын

My self imposed limit's 250yds, as my rifle & load hold MPBR on a 4" target to that distance. I'd far rather stalk the animal (which is all part of the hunt) than push the distance past what I consider reasonable for a guaranteed one shot kill. I prefer to stalk all the way in to less than 100yds just to keep my hand in at doing so & have sneaked up as close as 20yds on non hunting days for the heck of it.

Love my 270 weatherby but caught a lot of grief for ordering it in a 270 win but that's all I needed. She's a 95/96 year still have the receipt for the old girl and the factory 3 shot 🎯

This video aged like fine wine..! Speaking on Sig with the .277 fury, and now they are revealing Army's new caliber as such... 🍷

Great video! Very informative, I think I will stick with my grandpa's old .270 even though I really like the. 270 weatherby mag. And the 27 Nosler.

@richardbartlett6701

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely LOVE my .270 Wthby Mag. All I've used for everything big game since 1990. It's my elk killer!

@gunman-6646

Жыл бұрын

@@richardbartlett6701 Heck yeah bro. That rocks! If I had one that is all I would ever use! Thanks!

Ron, this was a great intr to the old .270. I understand that it seems like there is always someone trying to tweek an old cartridge to make something that is better than the original or for whatever reason they have in their heads at the time. It will never end. As far as I am concerned, an old guy in his late 60s that has been shooting for a very long time, there really isn't all that much to be gained from the original .270. You get a little gain in some, but if you are shooting a 150 gr. bullet like you have shot for more than 25 years and are really good with your tool, what is the point in changing something that is by far one of the best hunting cartridges ever made? I'll just keep shooting my Remington and Winchesters and let them spend all of their money and time until they figure it out, and then they can go back to what is proven. The 6.8, I think might be the only thing there that might stick around for any time. The Winchester with a 71/2 twist actually is more accurate than the Remington in the .270 Win cartridge.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

TBull, you're like most of us old fudds. Satisfied with what's worked the past 50 years or so. Just part of human Nature. Chances are you don't lust after the newest smartphone either. Nor chase wild women. Or let them catch you! The word for all this is wisdom. Cheers!

@sethdoane5295

Жыл бұрын

You might appreciate this. I shoot a 1-8.5 twist 270 win with a 170 grain Berger out of a 30 inch barrel at 3140 fps . Drills milk jugs at a mile no problem.

@sethdoane5295

Жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Chances are you don’t lust after the newest smartphone. Nor chase wild woman . Ron Spomer . Won’t forget that one .

@TBullCajunbreadmaker

Жыл бұрын

@@sethdoane5295 That is very good shooting.You must have picked a day with very little wind. I think shooting 1500 yards was pretty good but that was a real long distance.

@wisconsinfarmer4742

Жыл бұрын

I still use my 22oz Plumb framing hammer from 35 years ago. "No point in changing."

Excellent video, thanks

Great video Ron.. thanks for keeping us updated on these new rounds.. im thinking 6.8 western will be my next new rifle..

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, Lloyd.

I love my 6.8 SPC, it’s a hog and deer getter under 200 yards. Good enough for the girls I go out with…

Very informative video, thank you Ron! I'll keep an eye on this Sig Fury however I wonder how affordable the " new brass" will. The venerable 270 is very useful here in Australia, shooting from a paddock to an other with distance often exceeding 400 meters. I tend to prefer the 130 grain copper bullets, better velocity and accuracy, it work wonder at those distances.

@robertfree1908

2 жыл бұрын

+1 monolithic fan as well. A bullet design(s) that really takes the oldies to new levels. That’s my fave thing about these new technologies in our arena: making the oldies better!

@countercivilization

2 жыл бұрын

So right, reloading made such a different in performance if compared to commercial offering in that particular calibre... It gives the 270 very long legs with new performance stepping in 7 mag territory's without the recoil and a lot less powder. I don't hunt Samba deer or buffalo :) so my 270 do it all and exceed all my requirements by far !

Ron, reference to my other comment on the 6.8 SPC, my cousin and his boys have run three of the AR's for years now on trips to Texas. I can't even begin to tally the deer and hogs that have fallen to that 140 NBT load in the 6.8 SPC. His Texas trips were my proving grounds for the load. Its VERY effective and VERY pleasant and easy to shoot.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I've heard from some who were quite dissatisfied with 115-grain loads in the 6.8 SPC. At low velocities, bullet mass seems to become more significant for good terminal performance.

@gouldgibbonsiii4742

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors that 140 is nasty. The 130 is almost as good, but there was no major gain in velocity. In the end, the 140 won out with 10 grains more bullet weight and a higher BC and SD. Penetration has never been an issue.

Absolute beast This is what we want to see EVERY time out in the field Solid work officer

270 WSM is boss, I like the 7wsm is awesome too. The 325 WSM is a huge thumper in the larger caliber area.

@robertfree1908

2 жыл бұрын

+1 325 fan. I didn’t give one iotta for the 325 when it came out. Many were hoping the next WSM would be a 338. I wanted a 358. A fan and figured that diameter would work better in the WSM case. On introduction I thought “an 8mm?!”. Then I found an octagonal barreled A-Bolt with beautiful walnut in that caliber. I fell in love with it. 270 flat with a 180gr TSX

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Right on

Great video but really, the 6.8 SPC is out of place in that comparison. It was designed for a totally different purpose. I’d be interested to see the 6.8SPC compared to cartridges like the 5.56, 5.45x39, 6.5 Grendel, .30 AR, and 7.62x39.

Good post, Ron!!

bought an X-bolt in 270 WSM years ago for a caribou hunt and love it. That rifle is still my pride and joy.

Great Review, Ron. As you pointed out the Remington SPC is for humans at close range. Increased weight and diameter to boost knock-down power for insane jihadis. And AR & short-barrel friendly. Incomparable to the other fine hunting cartridges. But nice to know! Thanks.

@SurmaSampo

2 жыл бұрын

The extra mass is actually for penetrating barriers like windshields of cars.

@dp2702

2 жыл бұрын

Actually the 6.8 SPC has been proven to be a very fine deer and hog cartridge at modest ranges. Almost no recoil is a definite bonus. It has been chambered in bolt guns as well as AR's. Very popular in Texas!

@SurmaSampo

2 жыл бұрын

@@dp2702 I see that comment about just about every cartridge being very versatile, soft shooting, great for pigs etc.

@lawrenceallen8096

2 жыл бұрын

@@dp2702 Good to know. My point was that if the cartridge was built to satisfy a military RFP, then it was designed with humans in mind. That said, the 5.56 was a "man" cartridge and from what I can see with our fellow Texans here, it is widely used on hogs, though not thought to be ethical on deer. I imagine the 6.8 SPC would be fine for deer.

Isn't that 277 from Sig supposed to be the 277 Fury (like, angry, rage, etc) and not the 277 Furry (those guys that dress up in animal costumes) like the list shows at 12:29?

@357-swagnumultramagax9

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes!

@lucastonoli3256

2 жыл бұрын

Now I want a Paul Harrell video where he compares the effect of different cartridges on a test "Furry target", covered with 4 layers of fur.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Did we let one slip through? Geez I hate that. I always check that Fury so it doesn't come out Furry. Kind of like fussy and fuzzy. Sorry, Sir.

@robertfree1908

2 жыл бұрын

Well, the cartridge is cursed now. Thanks, Chops

Thank you so much for this video. Great job Ron

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Missey.

Great review Ron….I love my 270wsm, I have 2 rifles in that caliber

Hey Ron. Thanks for this video very informative. Wish you had used the 130 gr rather than 150. It's a more common used bullet with. with the 270 crowd down here

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the newer 270s are not even being loaded with 130-grain, so I went 150 to come closer to reality with those. Still had to leave the SPC out.

@blythkd9017

2 жыл бұрын

Yip, I've shot boxes and boxes of 130's, never chambered a 150. I did shoot a few 140's back when Winchester was still offering the black box Failsafes. Too bad that got shut down. They were awesome. But I've taken a truckload of a deer with old cheap 130 grain soft points. Hard to beat actually.

Ron, great video! I have done a LOT of handloading for the 6.8 SPC going back about 12 years. At that time, load data pretty much stopped at 120 grain with 110 and 115 being the most common. I experimented extensively with the 130 and 140 Nosler Ballistic Tip. Using AA2230 I was able to get that 140 up to 2400 fps in an 18 inch AR15 with 1:11 twist rate. The same load ran about 2380 fps in a 16 inch. Off the top of my head, I think it was 29 grains of AA2230 (compressed), seated to 2.26. Looking back now, my "experimental" data was actually pretty good, because Accurate Arms now has 6.8 SPC data listed for AA2230 up to 140 grain. Admittedly, I was a tad hot. But after many hundreds of rounds, there have been no pressure issues or bolt failures. Let me tell you, that 140 NBT at 2400 fps is an absolutely FANTASTIC deer round out to 200 yards. Run the numbers. I found that the 130 had very little gain in velocity at the cost of a lower BC. That 140 NBT was the sweet spot. At the lower velocity, the NBT upsets well, but does not fragment. Penetration and terminal effects are great. My Brother In Law used it the most and has one shot deer kills out to 400 yards. Every kill was a pass through, no bullets recovered. Now, 400 was really streaching it, but he did it. However, the numerous one shot 200 and 300 yard kills he has piled up are a testament to the rounds effectiveness. Particularly at typical shots at 100 yards and closer. That 140 NBT really changed the dynamics of the 6.8 SPC. It made it a legit Deer round. Its more effetive than the ol' 30-30. Better energy and ballistics (BC, SD and velocity). At one point, I was loading it for about ten (10) AR15's and they all shot that round sub MOA. Check it out! It's an awesome little carbine, not to be overlooked.

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

You are not alone in this assessment and advice, Gould. Sounds as if the SPC has legs. Of course I'm going to stick with the original. If I desire 2,400 fps, I'll load light! But doubt I ever will. It's always mystified me as to why some hunters work to build loads with ballistic performance way below existing rounds, but so long as they enjoy it and it works for them, why not? I love this about our country and culture. Freedom for the individual to march to the cadence of his own drum. March on, my friend.

@gouldgibbonsiii4742

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors About 5 years ago, the 6.8 SPC took a back seat to another project. We patented 4 wildcats for the AR15. All are better than the 6.8 SPC. We did a 270, 280, 300 and 400. All our time went into that. They really put the AR15 on a different level as a deer hunting platform. Love to share what we came have with you sometime!

@jimedick9496

2 жыл бұрын

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I don’t think that they are looking to build below the existing capabilities. It was designed for the military’s M-4 carbines. The casing had to be short, hence the lower capabilities. Still, the AR platform is a excellent choice for those recoil sensitive hunters. My wife is a perfect example of this. She doesn’t like shooting the .243, it scares her, and believe it or not, she’s not fond of the recoil, so her accuracy suffers from it. I put the 6.8 SPC in her hands, and we are talking a completely different scenario and results. She’s dead accurate with that round. Plus, that 120 gr from Hornady is an excellent deer cartridge . She knows her limits and she doesn’t try to stretch the capabilities of the round. It’s truly been a game changer for my wife’s hunting and shooting experience. It’s a win-win for me. Plus, it’s a great back up rifle if I ever need one. Personally, I love the 6.8 spc. It really is the jacks of all trades in the AR arena. Great self defense and hunting cartridge. It doesn’t lose much velocity in short barrels unlike the 6.5 Grendel. The 6.5 is a fantastic round in its own right, but requires at least a 22” or longer barrel to really shine. Whereas the 6.8 spc in short barrels is an excellent option for the hog hunters and self defense in SBR applications. Great video though. I’m starting to look into the 6.8 Western as my next hunting rifle.

Great episode Ron! That missing .31 cal is the 7.62 X 54R and the AK's 7.62 X 39 bullet diameter iirc.

Kinda funny to think of how many .270 cal cartridges are out there now! Im glad you included MPBR in your comparison.. That really gives an accurate look at how flat shooting any given cartridge is.. And that MPBR method of zeroing a rifle makes for extremely quick target acquisition for a lethal shot.. Great advice! I hope lots of viewers take notice and put it into practice.. Thanks for the great videos!

Another great video Ron! As a devoted 7mm loyalist for the past 30 plus years, I have shunned the 6.5 craze but quite truthfully I am very interested in the 6.8 Western. The ballistics are impressive along with the short action. I hand load so the availability of components is a big factor. I’m still a .280 Ackley loyalist. I would be quite interested in yours Ron. Thanks again

@RonSpomerOutdoors

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John.

Nice video. My bolt gun is a 7mm-08, mostly 139 grain. A little softer recoil, good distance for central Texas terrain. Not really needing jumbo ammo with large game. You have done a few videos on the 7-08... would like to see another.

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

140 class bullets and normal distances make the 7-08, 260, and 6.5cm great for most hunters.

@ertatta

2 жыл бұрын

7mm-08 was great for its time, but with some of the heavier 6.5 pills being propelled in the creedmore or PRC’s or even some of these 6.8’s, that cartridge isn’t able to maximize the potential of the amazing 7mm.

@ValadezReels

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.. up in northwest ranges, 6.8 or 7 mags are good for 500-900 yards. I don't need that in central and north Texas... my shots are 200 yards max. Don’t need to keep up with the Jones, just because it is new... 7-08 is a good round.

@ertatta

2 жыл бұрын

@@ValadezReels you’re right! I live at the edge of the hill country in NW San Antonio.

@repetemyname842

2 жыл бұрын

7-08 is an under appreciated round. I had a bolt in that caliber for years, took a lot of deer and a bear with it. I think the big trouble is finding one, you never seem to see many on the shelves but I agree, its plenty of gun for midwest hunting or where its brushy.

Back in the 1970s I convinced my mom and dad to let me join the Outdoor Life book club. It was there that I was first introduced to the writings of Jack O'conner. Never knew the impact he would have on me. Jack swore by the 270 Win and shot deer, elk, moose, caribou, etc with it. I am now 58 years old and have a safe full of rifles, but my favorite is a stainless steel Tikka chambered for the 270 Winchester. I would have loved to have met Jack O'conner, but alas he passed from this life back in 1978 when I was. only 15 years old. RIP.

@thenaturalmidsouth9536

Жыл бұрын

Really coincidental, but I'm the same age as you and I belonged to that OL book club too, around the same time.

@RT-gv6us

Жыл бұрын

@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 Wow. That is cool. We were from different locations, but on the same journey.

Hey Ron I love your videos and really learn alot from them. I'd really live to see a video all about the 270 wsm. I'm looking into purchasing a 270 wsm rifle and would love to learn more about it. Thanks.

They "creedmoor'd" the 270 WSM with that western.

@fivex4756

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, creedmoor'd = long higher BC bullet not seated deep into case, longer free bore in throat, OAL fits magazine

@mikecrotts3943

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering why they didn’t just make the wsm with a longer throat. I load for my 300wm and I can load so they won’t fit in the mag… it took me till now to just realize it was all about mag length. Too bad there are not more offerings.