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@mattduncan5500

2 жыл бұрын

all the photos we're seeing in the video have been edited ? including the comparison images

I'm a Nikon shooter, but I gotta give credit where credit is due. And personally, I think that even at 3200 ISO the MK1's noise looks more like film grain than noise.

@kyrkish

5 жыл бұрын

Alex Vozniuc agree.

@trsc32

4 жыл бұрын

Yep! A lot of people think the 5D classic has a film look to its sensor

@VintageVines80s

3 жыл бұрын

Agree

@davidlewis1787

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed I have never been a big fan of canon tbh but I have been considering a mk1 for a while now for grainy low light black and white street photography

@summerfreeze474

3 жыл бұрын

so true

That 5d 1 shutter sound 👌🏽🤤

@maggnet4829

5 жыл бұрын

Na, the worst ever. I once was shooting an opera in a small room. The director was not amused...

@pers4855

5 жыл бұрын

Maggnet I personally love it #preference

@maggnet4829

5 жыл бұрын

@@pers4855 Ok, by an aesthetic point of you I can see what you mean, but from a photographers point of view it's a problem. People literally get scared by it.

@pers4855

5 жыл бұрын

Maggnet I feel what you are saying in a quiet room it’s definitely not ideal. But from a street photographers prospective like myself, I enjoy it

@pers4855

5 жыл бұрын

Alex Lac. It’s just preference but I get your point

The images from the 5D classic are unique. They certainly have a film like quality. I keep a 40mm pancake on mine and take it with me everywhere.

@nevertwenty

2 ай бұрын

its just so f8cking large. how can you carry it everywhere

Some great camera work by whoever's filming

I have been waiting for someone to go out and do this review. I run a lot of training courses and often surprise people when I tell them I have used a Canon 5D classic for 15 years at over 300 weddings. They expect me to say I have a mk4 I think. The key to the 5D noise is learning how to handle the file in Lightroom. You have to use 0 sharpening and increase noise reduction. Over exposing and exposing to the right using your histogram carefully is key. When you underexpose with the 5D classic sensor you get in trouble with noise. Great video thanks for making it kind regards Richard Barley👍

@davidparks6444

3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to see you on this thread, I'm one of your subscribers. I'm amazed by every picture I take with my 5D. Using the tripod, timer and a slow shutter at night also produces shockingly wonderful photos while shooting that 1.8 at 4.0 sharpens it up more. Good video.

It´s not even noise, it´s like grain. I love it!

This video just tells me that the Canon 5D classic is THE camera

Shooting film has taught me that you can capture 99% of photos with 1600 or 3200 at worst. The remaining 1%, you can set up on a tripod. Grain will never ruin a truly good shot. This video goes on to demonstrate the same in the digital sense. I get tired of seeing mediocre photographers gabbing online about how they need to drop a few thousand bucks on a new body because of the "low light" capabilities, as if the money spent and technical performance is going to make them a better photographer. You took better shots in this video with the 5D than most people will ever take in their lives with brand new gear. I'm sure those same photographers will see this video and use it as confirmation of how they need newer and better gear, rather than the opposite.

@S3l3ct1ve

5 жыл бұрын

I liked 5d mk 1 shots more, because lower DR gave them more contrast between colors and that grain does not look so distracting compared to high Mpx count cameras grain which looks plain ugly. You can actually leave the grain on 5dm Mk1 and it will look good, while you need to remove it from modern cameras because it looks bad..

@wanhl2440

5 жыл бұрын

If you want to shoot indoor sport , you will need very high iso like 6400 or even 12800 frequently because you need fast shutter speed.

@helxis

5 жыл бұрын

@@wanhl2440 Really? How did people shoot indoor sports on film where there are no ISO ratings that high? Hint: The answer is actually the same way that this is still handled now; and it doesn't require high ISO.

@choddo

5 жыл бұрын

@@helxis I'm going with lovely joyous glass

@peterc3619

5 жыл бұрын

Slyest Fox indoor sports are sometimes a bit dark for cameras, so you NEED a high iso for a high shutter speed so motion blur doesn’t become a problem. Now how did they shoot similarly with film? I’m not an expert with film, but can’t you buy different iso films like the Kodak portra 160 iso and the Kodak portra 800 iso? Or am I very mistaken.?

I like videos like this. Comparing the old vs new cameras. 5d classic is the first affordable full frame camera. Canon paved the way for us consumers to experience full frame. I remember way back 2006, I dont eat too much just to save money to buy 5d. Haha.. And when I finally bought it, Im the happiest person on earth that day.

Great video. Really nice shots you're taking here too. (I still love the mark 1 though for its back-to-basics simplicity and ridiculously cheap price).

@PABLOSTRONGVLOGS

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jamie, yes the mark i is incredible bang for buck!

@1204gameday

5 жыл бұрын

It is a great second shooter camera for weddings with good light. We have been using the 6D more though since it does seem to be a bit more forgiving in low light. The Mark IV is now the primary shooter camera.

@Motortriker

5 жыл бұрын

When are you two going to hook-up again? Two of my favourite KZreadrs working together... do it!

Pros - buy a Mk 4. Everyone else, get a used Mk 1 and some used L glass - you won't be disappointed.

@chrisdechristophe

4 жыл бұрын

This.

@ignatprokhoropchyuck4652

4 жыл бұрын

That

@sholtham1

3 жыл бұрын

@@thedarrencasey Canon L series lenses are pro level - they have a red band at the end of the lens. Used 17-40mm and 24-105mm lenses can be bought quite cheaply and work well with an old 5D mk1

@dornysunday9930

3 жыл бұрын

@@sholtham1 What would be the best option for video? Is Mk ii far, far superior?

@sholtham1

3 жыл бұрын

@@dornysunday9930 5d Mark 1 doesn't have video so the mark 2 would be the only option. There are some good used examples if you look around.

I recently bought a Mark IV and this video make me feel so sad

Didn't find any of the 5D MK I shots to be ugly or offensive, the grain structure is actually quite film-like and looks nice to my (untrained) eye. Would be really interested to find out what you think of Panasonic's offerings at the moment, the G9 and GH5, specifically for stills use.

@Caracalaba

5 жыл бұрын

Dale Gillett yes would be interesting to see an old FF sensor vs a new m4/3

@S3l3ct1ve

5 жыл бұрын

@@Caracalaba the smaller the sensor (or the more megapixels) the worst the noise looks...

@TrillShatner

5 жыл бұрын

@@S3l3ct1ve I choose between the GH5 and Canon 6D depending on how much space I have to work with.. GH5 also just has soo many features and between the 2 of them actually same amount of megapixels lol.

@choddo

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, the only shot where I really thought the IV showed up the older camera was the street shot at 04:46

@devinjones9614

5 жыл бұрын

i shoot on one daily. youre right! it has awesome film-like noise, unlike most other cameras. low light is a bit difficult to deal with when it comes to pulling color out of a shot at iso3200.

Not only the noise, but the image shadow detail in Mark I is degraded compared to the image taken with Mark IV. But the Mark I reminds me about the Fujifilm Natura 1600, those grains are so amazing. You should put together the 1600 Negatives image with Mark I high ISO setting image and see what will happen.

Also, it’s nice to see a review with a good photographer 😂

@PABLOSTRONGVLOGS

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude :)

Out of all the 5d in 2018 videos I have checked out, THIS is the video that made me decide to buy a 5d. Thank you!

As someone who was really vocal and critical on your last comparison of these... I just want to say I have the upmost respect and really love that you made this! Thank you for such a lovely video. I love your photos, and its really clear how passionate you are about the 5d classic, and I have to say you really get great results from it!

@PABLOSTRONGVLOGS

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matthew, glad you enjoyed it :)

oh my boy you're alive what a great news!

Hey Pablo, just found your review today. What a breath of fresh air. An honest and relaxed review without giving total winners but showing the compromises between two amazing machines. Thanks so much for it!

What a great piece of news having a new video Pablo. I missed them a lot :) Outstanding camera work from both of you guys. I really enjoyed it !!

Having commented onto your past video regarding the 5D (classic) regarding high ISO, for a camera released in 2005 the 3200ISO is very clean compared to other contenders in the same time period. The quality of 3200ISO depends on the quality of the light. The 5DMKIV is in another league so is the price point. I have both camera's and the 5DMKIV is extremely good at high ISO even in less good light conditions (crappy light, mixed color temp, LED...). Although official Canon support has ended for the 5D it is a very nice FF starter camera with an easy menu system, if you are interested in purchasing one just check if it has the reinforced mirror brackets. I am still surprised of the output of this camera. With 12Mp you have to frame right due to the limited cropping abilities. In daylight you can make A3+ prints of good quality. If you have the money go for the 5DMKIV you will not be disappointed certainly in low light. The 30Mp adds some cropping ability. As things are moving mirrorless it is a nice opportunity to grab the 5dmkiv second hand.

Kept feeling I needed to upgrade. Feeling better about hanging on to my mark 1!

Talent beats technology, you create wonderful images.

MK I was still my favourite camera I’ve owned. That sensor just rendered so nice.

Sir, your kindness and the happy and slow way you are talking just earned you a new subscribe! I've already seen this type of videos already but I can watch your videos without getting tired. And trust me, I am not an easy subscriber. Keep up the good work and don't forget to be happy! Cheers

Having tried Kodak T-Max P3200 in both my Canon T90 and EOS 600 bodies, I have to say that the EOS 5D Classic images at iso 3200 are pretty good. Sometimes it's nice to see a little noise, because it gives your images a slightly "retro" look. If you view the images in monochrome, the noise looks like film grain on the 5D Classic. It's one of Canon's finest cameras.

@IanRei

3 жыл бұрын

It is, indeed!😉👍

05:49 how loving and admiring the guy looks at you before he turns and ran into the night... Great video and much better comparison than last time.

Great video! I just bought a 5D "classic" yesterday. Have had the MkIII, MkIV, 10D,20D,30D,40D,50D,60D before.

*Then you watch this:* Part I kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4qpq5pyibqno9o.html Part II kzread.info/dash/bejne/lqJ2lrCveaXSkrQ.html and this whole comparison just goes right out of the window =)

Damn, I love the noise/grain from Mark I!

Nice comparison, as a 5d2 owner thinking about upgrading this has been helpful. You got yourself another subscriber.

You also have to remember that a good 5D mk1 is only $250-$325 used vs $2,500 for MK4. In 30 yrs of shooting, I have never needed to go beyond iso1600. Especially now with IS lenses.

@jsdhesmith2011

5 жыл бұрын

I'm getting ready to by a mk1, what would be a good budget lens with IS or is there one? I'm more interested in shooting landscape photos and would like a Zoom, say 18-55mm

@joecap2919

5 жыл бұрын

@@jsdhesmith2011 Josh, you cannot use a 18-55mm as those are for APC mount only. If at all possible see if you can find a good used 24-105mm L, I picked one up on Craigslist for $400 and it is the best zoom I have ever shot. If you are really scraped for cash, the old EF 24-85mm is decent but no IS. Also for some reason the very old EF 100-200mm f4.5A performs great on the 5D and would only cost you about $30

@waltlynch7619

3 жыл бұрын

Josh Smitty Canon 28-135 IS. $100. In fair condition, was the “kit” lens when the 5D debued

It's fun to hear Coldplay in the background :DD

Amazing review and great photos!

I still love the 5d images. 5d "noise" @ 3200+ is more like the sound of ocean wind.

So nice to see a London photographer walking about those streets 🤘🏼

Thanks for this video! I used to have the 5d1 and its still one of the cameras with the most appealing image quality and even good ISO performance by todays standards. I used to shoot at 3200 ISO on the 5d1 and it's still super clean and full of detail. Canon could have easily given it one or two pushed ISO's. Also the color and the general image quality of the 5d1 has a "je ne sais quoi" character to it I've never seen in any other camera.

Love this new style. Well done

would be nice to know what settings you had the two cameras on - a side from the ISO.

I got a 5D Classic two months ago after a maddening search and loving it. Shoot landscape and lifestyle during the day. Therefore, ISO is never an issue. The ultimate prize! Film-look images that no other model can produce.

@callumpenman1836

2 жыл бұрын

I love to see your comments about your 5D, I see you comment on a lot of videos. Happy for you and your 5D. I recently got a 5Dii and I am in love with the colours. Perhaps I'll search for a 5D classic to add to my collection 😁

@quazisanjeed6395

2 жыл бұрын

@@callumpenman1836, I own a 5DII for three years already and love it. However, one must shoot in RAW to get the best out of it. Jpeg images right out of the camera aren't very nice. On the other hand, 5D Classic is a different ball game. It's not the sharpest or low-light beast. But it's a digital film camera that produces velvetty filmy images.

The class 5D looks almost film like

Wow! You've really opened my eyes. I have a 5D Mk 2 that I've been struggling to get good photos out of and you've made me realize that I just need to become a better photographer

@aantonic

4 жыл бұрын

i have 5dm2 and quality of photos is great, even compared to todays modern cameras, nothing wrong with 5dm2,why u struggling with it?

Great video! I bought the mk I a year ago after graduating university and I’ve been loving it. I’ve taken great, great shots with it and it still runs brilliantly. I does get a bit noisy at dark butI does a pretty darn good job. I managed to get it for £150 with the 50mm from a second hand camera shop in London. It’s not about the gear!

Lovely vid and great shots, subbed.

Been doing a lot of low light with film and love the grainy images it can produce especially black and white. Saw a lot of similarities in the later part of the MK 1 segment which I thought was very pleasing and not something that would cause me to be worried by the appearance of noise. Love your composition, really thoughtful.

The 5D classic is a better camera because it blows life into images due to its strong color array. The denoising mechanisms embedded in the 5D mark IV give wrong skintones compared to the mark I which is always spot on. After testing and comparing I will sell my 5D Mark IV there really isn't a point for any kind of serious photographer owning a tripod and not messing around snapping images at 12 pm.

A very interesting comparison, I have never owned a MkI but I do have a MkII which I find very satisfying to use because of its relative simplicity compared with more recent cameras, yes you do have to "work" at things a bit more but there is a greater sense of achievement when you nail it. Perhaps I'm a bit of a an old man but recently, I've also gone back to wet film and shooting in black and white alongside my digital cameras as much to slow me down and concentrate on what I'm shooting as to get my 'eye back' from spending too much time shooting in maximum fps !

Came for the photography/camera content, stayed for "Green Eyes." Such a great song.

I’m interested to know, how would this 5D mk1 compare to a 700D in low light? I currently have a 700D and wondered if the low light would be better or worse on the 5D classic

Great video! I'm a total noob and was planning on buying a Mk 1 specifically for night photography. Could you mitigate the loss of quality by using a stabilized lens or one with a higher f stop? I plan on buying a tripod but it would be nice to shoot with a fast shudder speed also. Thanks!

That walking intro is 😎

3:42 almost like a movie 👌 Good video by the way.

all month I've been using the 5D classic with any of several vintage lenses and have been very happy with the results, despite the low contrast and noise. ISO 3200 on it is 1600 pushed a stop, so I keep it at 1600. what I like most about it in low light is that the noise (without pushing) doesn't add red and green spots or banding. it almost looks like film grain, and I never try to reduce it unless I'm pushing exposure too much that it loses that quality.

@rocheuro

2 жыл бұрын

there is some banding - true but not very often.

Great video, such helpful information. Thanks

I have a 100d... would it be worth getting a Canon 5D Mk I to replace it? Would the full frame sensor compensate for the less megapixels in my 100d?

Very nice video indeed. Loved it!

Love both these 📷's, they are both great.

I had the 5D Mark II (which is still a very good camera) for some time and then I bought the 7D Mark II for sports photography. So, with the 7D Mark II, I started missing this high-tech feeling on the 5D Mark II. So I bought the 5D Mark IV and I do not regret it at all. Most of all, I like the fact that all the settings can also be seen in the viewfinder.

Absolutely gorgeous photo with both

I still have 5D mkI with my D3 from Nikon and love it :D Bit creepy shooting the restaurant from the outside haha All the best and I wish You a million subs! Greetings from South London!

Excellent video, thanks! I'm having a hard time getting the colors right on my 5d Classic, what settings do you have for the WB Shift/BKT ??

Pablo, love the video. I have a 6Dmk1 and a 5Dmk1. I think your video proved what a great camera the 5D is. The 6D is technically better in every aspect but I still love using my 5D. The 6Dmk1 is overlooked as a great DSLR used bargain.

Mark 3 and Mark 4 comparison pls, because it both has twin card slots which can be efficient for pro use unlike the mk.1. And the mk3 price so much better now. Thanks!

I own a pair of 5D Mark I's, had a 5D III (now sold) and I shoot with a Mark IV. To me the key differences between them are resolution (obvious) and how much detail the files hold in the shadows. If you do very light editing and leave you contrast SOOC kind of high - sure, both cameras look the part. But where I find the Mark I falls apart really quickly is if you underexpose or have saturated colors...both is even worse. Those 12-bit files get very noisy and pixelated with no smooth color transition when you try to recover shadows. This is even somewhat problematic if you try to de-vignette shots taken with a lens that vignettes a lot (50mm f/1.4, 35mm f/2 IS, etc). Denoising in LR doesn't help much as even then the tonal transitions are very unpleasant. These files are almost best left alone. Plus it doesn't help that the JPEG preview cooked into the raw files is only half-res, which makes critical focus hard to tell sometimes. Though it must be said that SOOC images from the Mark I are very...film-like, which is why I bought the cameras in the first place. Super simple camera with no bells and whistles - it just takes pics. Very good for learning, which I appreciate. Plus, with computational photography you can take very high-res images, 3D scans, noise-free images, etc - if you know what you're doing and if the scene is suited for that. Which is great, since a 128GB card can hold about what...7000-8000 raw files. I've shot 2600 frames and I've not filled up the card even half-way yet xD Overall, even if the Mark I is a bit of a dud if you like your shadow detail - it's a great learning tool and the files have a special look to them :)

@TheUltimateBlooper

5 жыл бұрын

Oh and the reason I have two 5Ds is because... well, for one they're cheap, but that's not it. I bought two, because the first one I bought from Japan turned out to be a MINT one - no scuffs, no degradation, lovely beautiful camera, fully boxed with a new strap, etc. Even SMELLS brand new! So...I'm keeping that one boxed xD Bought another one from Poland - slightly scuffed and scratched, but still really good-looking. So that's the one I abuse :D

hi, I'm wondering would you still recommend upgrading to 5d4 in this time of the year??? I'm an event photographer and currently using an 80d for photos and videos, also I have a 1635 and 70200 full frame lenses. Please let me know what do you think about the upgrading. Thank you!

I like your joy of shooting, nice music choice :)

Comparison videos are the best! OMG u went to Las Vegas, lots of memories there!

Nice review. What’s your take on best canon camera for landscapes ?

Props for mentioning the shutter sound. Most reviewers overlook stuff like that nowadays. I have the 5dM2, but it sounds like a rivet machine… not so cool… takes wicked pictures though. I also have a 6D2 which is my main FF machine, and the shutter whispers sweet-nothings like it's in leeeerve!

How does mark 2 compare whit mark 4? Thinking to get canon 5d mark 2 as my starter full frame camera mostly because it is so deem cheap .Just wondering how it performs overall.

I currently have a t1i with a 50mm1.8. I was thinking on saving up to buy a classic 5D. Still unsure... Great video!

I like how the noise in 5d mark 1 is just like some grainy aethetic retro stuff, yeah something like that and I think it makes it pretty cool effect on the photo

I have a 5d classic and a 5d iii. I use the III professionally. But the mark I is my every day go to for landscapes. The mk I is truly an animal

Great video. You didn't have to leave the 5Dm1 behind at 3200 ISO. You could have pushed it in post, 1 stop for 6400 ISO, 2 stops for 12800 ISO

@S3l3ct1ve

5 жыл бұрын

5d mk i DR is really not that good at iso3200 the quality drop would be drastic in those conditions.

I have the mark ii and I’m still learning on a way to keep my images sharper and cleaner especially with high iso

@michaelreynolds6543

5 жыл бұрын

ok good may i suggest you look into the ETTR technique ? i have 2xMK2's and L glass and using this technique I do get cleaner images at High iso

I will ask for a comparison with an additional camera that is SONY A7s (Mark I). I suppose he will put it on the shoulders Canon 5D Mk.I and Mk.IV.

Hi are you shooting with JPG or RAW on this video?

I recently bought the 13 year old Mark 1 and it really is a very capable camera. The ISO 3200 photos looked quite usable and the shutter sound does remind me of an old film camera with a motor drive but I like it lol.

I had the 5d classic. Some times ago, I sold for to try others cameras: pentax k5, k3, nikon d600, fuji xe2, xe3, sony A7. But one years ago, I sold everithing for to buy a old 5d mk 1, now I use only that, fantastic camera, fantastic pictures ;-)

@IanRei

3 жыл бұрын

This statement really encourages myself to buy a used 5d mki and sold my 60d. Thank you!☺

@bagua76

3 жыл бұрын

Try it, and You'll love it ; 😉👍

This is all well and good but what camera is this video being filmed with?! handling the light amazingly!

i have 5d mark2 . I get fuzzy and out of focus photography at low light street photography. I use 24-105 lens) Should move to 5d mark4 or change the lens to 50mm 1.4?

Thanks for this video! I will use Mark I this weekend on a concert and your video give me a hope that I will do a lot of cool photos with high ISO. My old Nikon D70 can't.

anybody knows whats the best size to print pictures in 5d classic?

Can you make more videos about the canon 5d classic?

Love your channel. Great videos . I am planning to buy a A7II, but after seeing your video I am quite interested in 5D Mark 1, would you appreciate it a lot if you / someone can let me know is A7II far better in low light situation than the classic 5Dm1 ? Thanks in advance

What where your camera setting Did you shoot in raw for a fair comparison ?.

Ok this is not the comment anyone would expect here I was having some serious exam stress rn because its day after tomorrow but Pablo's great pictures and this great video really helped me relax...I dunno what was so relaxing about this video - the content or Pablo himself, maybe both!

@PABLOSTRONGVLOGS

5 жыл бұрын

Good luck for your exams 🙂👍🏼

Still using a 5D even today. It feels old, low FPS, basic AF but it still gets images. The colors are awesome of this old camera.

Hey Pablo - fantastic analysis of the ISO ranges of these cameras - have you also seen the difference in focus systems and accuracy between the two cameras too?

Muito bom o vídeo. Você poderia fazer um vídeo com dicas para fotografar na rua, como abertura diafragma, foco manual ou automático... Thanks 👍🏻

Hi Pablo, it may be worth noting that Iso variation is applied gain, there is no change to the exposure at the sensor, added after the image has been received by the sensor, therefore you can add gain (exposure) in post to shoot the Mk1 one or two stops under-exposed then add exposure in post to get a very similar result to having applied one or two stops of Iso when shooting, you would then of course see much higher levels of noise and dynamic range degradation. There will also be the factor of pixel pitch to take on board, the greater number of smaller pixels on the later camera will have a slightly lower dynamic range and commensurate lower signal to noise ratio. Some of this is visible in the cropped images where the lower pixel density shows up as a slightly more enlarged image when cropped, if you could properly match the enlargement you would get a more accurate result. The overall impression is none the less, interesting, if only to show how little real change in image quality has come within the last four new models of the 5D! Cheers, Richard.

You really have a good eye for for Motives and capturing nice perspectives 👍🏼

@PABLOSTRONGVLOGS

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

My old Rebel XSI at high ISO handles noise the same as the 5D1. It has a nice grain to it.

From which camera & lens u used for this video It's really shine

So, when i compare with 6d, whats reaaly matter about 5dmkIV or MKi , is reallly diffferent??

Thanks for ur video! Can u make more vid about 5d1? Hope to see u back again

Without doubt the best Canon bargain is the 6D. Everything good about the 5D with a vastly better sensor, live view, video, lens micro adjust etc all for very little money

Can I use Rollie e36re flash and Metz 36 CT 3 flash for Canon 5D Mark 4? Please advise, thanks.

This video just shows how good cameras are. If one is not able to get a great picture with 5D Classic, that means he sucks and there is no Sony A7III, A9, Nikon D4, D5, D850, D810, D750, Canon 1dx mk2, 5D 2,3,4, 6d mk 1,2, Leica or any other newest camera out there that will help him. And it means that you don't need to have the latest and greatest gear every time. I would always go for 5d classic, than any crop on the market, it is dirt cheap these days.

@Mikri90

5 жыл бұрын

That's what I suggest to any rookie looking for a camera. They all usually get hung up on newest crop cameras (the newest Rebels for instance), not realizing there's a hidden FF gem to be had for dirt cheap. Heck, even the mark 2 is now cheap. Granted, it's "easier" to recommend a new, modern camera with all its bells and whistles to someone just starting out, but I still think a camera like the 5D would be more beneficial to someone fresh into photography. It would give them a beautiful output with the added benefit of not making them lazy. It really is a true photographer's camera, it gives you the potential to make some great imagery, but at the same time it's as simple as it gets.