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@daveaver2804

8 ай бұрын

Just ordered- no rush

My kid has been using the 300 blackout for the past 3 seasons deer hunting…We have been using the 150 grain Federal Fusion…Although we have recovered everything he’s shot, it did require tracking…Gonna switch to the 6.5 Grendel this year as I have more confidence in the extra speed

@acort10

8 ай бұрын

I’ve had really good success with the Grendel and fusion msr ammo

This is what I love about your channel Mason. You call it out how it is. No BS honest reviews. Thanks for sharing. 🙏

Winchester Brass usually looks dingy because the factory uses bat guano to polish the cases.

Hello, my cz 527 18" 7.62x39 pushes 154gr soft points at 2250 -2275 fps and opens up nicely.❤

👍👍 always honest and no BS great channel.

I have a 7.62x39 AR upper, because 300 BLK ammo price was ridiculoso. Hoping to test 154 and 123 SP on game at some point this season. I would think the 125 PSPs that Rem loads in its 30-06 would be more in the 300 blk velocity niche. BTW: The 150 grain 30-06 loading has the 300 Blk starting velocity at 340 yards!

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Yea I can’t believe they’re just loading what appears to be the same 150 grainers that are in ‘06’s and 308’s, 125 or a 110 would be a lot more appropriate to get some expansion at 300blk velocities

Great video

.300 Blackout is popular with the young Rambo Wanna-Be's I work with. Have told them for years just go get a 30-30 if shooting a .30 caliber cartridge in that power range. Great video Mason, thanks.

@Perry2186

8 ай бұрын

well im left handed and i have a Left hand 300 blk a left hand 3030 doesnt exist even tho lever guns are easy for some one of my condition thats why my 308win is a lever action

@themoose66

8 ай бұрын

It all depends on what projectile you use 👍😁 this looks like the just tossed a bullet meant for a 308 and tossed it in a 300blk casing

The minimum expansion for this bullet to expand would likely be a 300 HAMr, maybe a 7.62X39, and a 30-30... The bullet tumbled.....

300 crapout! CONFIRMED! How can this be touted as an ethical hunting cartridge?

@K-bob_45

8 ай бұрын

This is one loading man. That’s like testing a 40 gr VMAX in 5.56 and ignoring 70 gr TSX

@michaelmiller1824

8 ай бұрын

Easy because it is

Thanks,

The most hilarious thing about 300 blackout is, if you have a .30 caliber already and you handload for it, you already have a 300 blackout. Just load it down.

Always wondered what's the big deal about a 300 black out as a hunting cartridge, dang that was pitiful performance.! Now i wonder how many deer & other critters are gonna run off & die a slow , wasteful death? I agree epic FAIL! Thanks nice job sir

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Overall it’s a lackluster choice for medium game, there’s better bullets to load in it for the purpose but the mainstream manufacturers aren’t loading them

@K-bob_45

8 ай бұрын

@@masonleatherbring out the Barnes home slice

So, this bullet has the exact same BC as the 150gr power point loaded in the .308 and 30-06. Very likely the exact same bullet loaded in those caliber just dropped into a 300 blk. I normally follow pretty solidly that 1800fps is the bare minimum IMPACT velocity where typical cup and core bullets no longer expand reliably. The pointed spitzers just seem to need that, with an even better and more reliable velocity being closer to 2,000. Sure, certain designs have proven reliable as slow as 1600 fps, but this is not one of them. Sure, wide nose bullets designed for 30-30, 35 rem, etc. seem to be reliable much slower, but they have a much wider exposed nose and different design altogether. This exact scenario shown in this test is why I'm hesitant to get a 300blk for my daughter to learn and hunt with. She is recoil shy, but I'd rather know that even though I'm stepping down in power that the projectiles are at least reliable. Sure, there are some good projectiles in 300blk, but for similar muzzle velocities and much higher reliability a Marlin, Henry, or Ruger 77 in .357 mag might almost be better. I feel the 300 blk has a large enough following that ammo manufactures should have reliable hunting worthy projectiles to drop into it by now. Hell, just drop a 150gr rn for the 30-30 into it. Or even the 160 ftx. At least they seem to provide expansion at the 300 blk velocities.

Put that bullet in a 30-06 it will work...not enough velocity in 300 blk. The 125gr. Bullets work better for hunting in blk

The winchester cartridge is heat treated, that's why it's dingy looking. It makes for more reload friendly cartriges and help with repeated pressures to the cartridge wall

Bet the 125 open tip range Win white box performs better than that. Thanks

Gotta try those 110 grain barnes tac-tx

Can I suggest using a pork shoulder with the scapula in front of the gel when testing hunting rounds

@Z33Garage

8 ай бұрын

Hmmm sure but many other rounds have expanded fantastic without this variable added in his videos.

@onearmedbandit6936

8 ай бұрын

@@Z33Garage yes I know but some may use a harder lead make up for deeper penetration that may need a harder something to start the expansion

@Z33Garage

8 ай бұрын

@@onearmedbandit6936 possible but one has to also take into account that a shot might not hit a shoulder to cause this ammo to expand. It would be interesting to see if perhaps win is using harder lead with your idea, even if it's to further show the issues with it

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

No, I’ll do a video at some point explaining all the why’s of why I do the tests exactly how I do, pork shoulders etc aren’t feasible, I film dozens of these videos at a time and don’t have the money for nor the refrigerator truck id need for so many pork shoulders, not to mention the absolutely ungodly cleanup that would require. I could go on, but adding pork shoulders, scapulas, etc does nothing but create a less objective test, it introduces more variables and could in several ways create less useful information.

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

@@Z33Garageexactly

I believe the 150 gr bullet is too heavy and slow for the 300 blk . to be reliable at expansion . A 120 to 130 gr at a higher velocity would be a better choice . IMO

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely

Barnes and Maker’s tipped 110gn’s are the only supersonic 300blk hunting rounds ;)

@jacobackley502

3 ай бұрын

VMAX and Speer TNTs are also good bullets for the 300blk

Have you tried the 125 sst out of blackout I done some killing with it they seemed good this is garbage lol

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Not yet, I can definitely see that being a much better bullet for it

A Power Point that performs just like a FMJ. I shoot pests around a lot of livestock, this ammo would be dangerous to non target animals if you relied on it to expand and stay in like a SP should. Not that I ever do. Good video, very informative. Thanks.

I don't know what bullets Winchester is using. The same thing happened to me when I loaded 150 grain bullets used for 308, 30/06 in 30/30 rounds. when I loaded the softer 150 grain 30/30 bullets they were fine regular .308 bullets are too hard at lower velocity. I have shot 30/06 at those velocities and the were good. Winchesters bullets are just too hard in your case. Thanks for the video. I don't have a 300BLK but a lot of people do and this is good to know. Lf you like wincher ammo you might want to give them a call. They may have had some lots with wrong bullets or it may just be the way they are for now.

I bet it’s the same bullet as the 308, 3006. Win mag they sell. So for sure a 300 Bo needs something different.

Bad for lung shot. Good for pinning the shoulders our head shot.

You would think Winchester would have done the same test before release to the public?

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

You’d think

@titanscerw

8 ай бұрын

Winchester is trash overall.

@panthermartin7784

8 ай бұрын

@@titanscerw based on what? This one test on a cartridge ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

No, based on lots of empirical evidence and dozens of independent tests

@titanscerw

8 ай бұрын

@@panthermartin7784 nope, read what mason wrote. That is matter of fact, company overal qc and qa and construction of products can change across the years, no loyalty to any brand whatsoever, however Win is trash consistent across lineup for third decade now ... no loyalty to corpos especialy those actively trying to fcukover the working class general shooting populace ...

That's funny 300 crap out

Got several boxes. Regardless of the effect they look like they would hurt. ALOT

I'll stick with my good old 30-06 does the job right Everytime

Mirrors my experiance. Its not even close to 30-30 or my 6.8SPC in any metric, and i simply wont use it. Perhaps the most economical solution to field hunting is just to get a budget 308win and ammo. Thats a hard to beat combo.

Yeah but it's got a cool name. Oooh, Blackout. 😂

300 is fine for whitetail. Just bullet is the factor to consider. Don’t take 2000 lbs of energy to lay one flat out. Just saying. We use 223 all the time here and all is legal. And no issues.

Have you ever done 300wsm

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

No

Imagine that - the same powerpoint bullet in a .308 or 30-06 doesn't expand at 1900fps

@exothermal.sprocket

8 ай бұрын

How about in a .30-30 cartridge? Don't they make round nose Power Points?

@clapton924

8 ай бұрын

@@exothermal.sprocket yes, they use a round nose bullet for 30-30.

I don't fool with semi automatic platforms, but heard 300blk had "same ballistics as 30-30." Maybe has same trajectory, but these seem kind of sad.

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

Yea nowhere near the same terminal performance as a good 30-30 load

There fun supressed but pretty much a joke going super sonic with them when there is so much else that will do alot better

Don’t understand why people don’t just use a .308? Tried and true and affordable

Funny how weak 300 blackout is compared to 7.62x39. 154 gr tula sp gets over 2150 fps out of 16 inch barrel

@georgetorres6890

8 ай бұрын

With that crappy ammo Maybe I'm consistently getting 2052 2150 ft per second for my 300 Blackout with a 16 inch barrel

@marlenzacharias7301

8 ай бұрын

150 gr?

@georgetorres6890

8 ай бұрын

@marlenzacharias7301 150 grain is a little over 2,000 the 300 Blackout was never meant to be a long-range gun almost same ballistics as 3030 but I have hunting rounds from 90 grain to 130 grain,,, copper 90 grain 110-grain 120 and 130

@georgetorres6890

8 ай бұрын

@marlenzacharias7301 I like the round and it gave me a lot of option on grains not only that you can go to subsonic rounds that are 190 to 220 grain

@jacobackley502

3 ай бұрын

Loaded with lil gun out to 2.26”, 300blk will do 2050-2100 with a 150gr bullet out of a 16” gun below saami max pressure. It’s pretty silly that manufacturers still pud load rounds, as if the buying public can’t use google

It’s obviously important to expand,but if your shot placement is good the deer is dead,but not expanding no Winchester for me

they must be loading 308 bullets in this

Might just stuff a rock inside a potato plug and use a potato gun instead.

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

🤣

It makes no sense to load a 150 grain bullet in a 300 blackout. Velocity kills and this is slow as hell. Besides shooting subs 300 BO doesn't make sense for hunting when theres much better rounds like 6.5 grendel and 6.8spc

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

I can’t disagree

It looks dingy bc its been annealed on the neck and shoulder. Obvious sign of recycled brass, annealing extends the usability of brass, nothing wrong with it just esthetically not pleasant.

@masonleather

2 ай бұрын

Not talking about the annealing, talking about all the other spots and such all over the case, there’s annealed ammo out there that doesn’t look like this.

@chrisfametano6361

2 ай бұрын

@masonleather 10-4 that's all I could make out that might've prompted you to bring up appearances. Of course my eyes ain't what they used to be.

300 blackout is a meme cartridge

@masonleather

8 ай бұрын

I don’t disagree

@diggernash1

8 ай бұрын

Fill case with H110, top with 125 grain BT...kills whitetails just fine. But I prefer 6.5 Grendel for deer sized game out of an AR.

It is an overpriced no purpose ammo ! 🦍

@brianklamer3328

8 ай бұрын

You hit that nail on the head!

125-130 grain should be the max weight for hunting loads in my opinion

this not any better than a 357 mag out of a marlin WASTE of cash