As an Ex Morman this is SO close to Joseph Smith Jrs experience on how and why he translated the bible in his own translation ( the Joseph Smith Translation) and the start of the LDS church/cult. I'm so thankful people are speaking up about this "translation "

@fnjesusfreak

3 жыл бұрын

It's quite the same. An angel named Passion, or an angel named Moroni, same difference.

Any pastor who cites from the Message or Passion during a sermon raises a red flag the size of Texas!

@gareth2736

3 жыл бұрын

I really don't see a problem with the message as it is up front about being a paraphrase...no one should use it as a main bible and I wouldn't use it for memorising scripture either but it can give fresh insight on familiar passages and it doesn't claim to be something it isn't.

@gareth2736

3 жыл бұрын

@Sue Ling fresh insight isn't different though to truth....I mean fresh to me not novel to the Christian church. Commentaries are typically written by a single person treat the message as adding the same as a good commentary in terms of understanding and you will be fine....if it doesn't suit you that's fine to though. I generally just prefer reading a more regular translation but I can't see the harm in looking at a passage, especially a very familiar passage in the message from time to time.

@elwoodblues9613

2 жыл бұрын

The problem, and it's a crucial problem, is that the man who rewrote the New Testament and labeled it a translation claimed Divine inspiration for doing so, consulted no original transcripts, and puts it on the same plane as other translations and possibly higher. The Passion Translation reads more like a Charismatic commentary than a Bible. In contrast, Eugene Peterson was upfront that The Message is his paraphrase of the Bible, is meant for more casual reading, and is not to be used for serious Bible study.

Mike Winger here on KZread has a lot of content on this topic.

@smh81786

3 жыл бұрын

Mike is one of my favorite Pastor/Teachers! He's awesome!

@Sorana44

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@juanitadudley4788

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. Yesterday he just did a video on the Mirror Bible. He said it's the worst "translation" he's ever seen.

@rickylimbu3668

3 жыл бұрын

And Mike has some wrong information on this issue sorry

@Y0u-R0ck

3 жыл бұрын

Mike is pretty good with word stuff, but he is pretty bias with Bethel Church and TPT. I'll take all your blessings if you reject him though - Matthew 10:41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward. And he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

Bible says not to believe every spirit but test the spirit whether there be from God.

@omarperez4010

3 жыл бұрын

Beloved, do not believe every spirit [speaking through a self-proclaimed prophet]; instead test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets and teachers have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1 - www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1%20John%204:1&version=AMP

@AMTattersall

3 жыл бұрын

@@omarperez4010 I work in deliverance ministry and have known for years that this test “1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,” doesn’t work which goes against my belief in scripture. Earlier this year I asked God why and He said “Check out the Greek translation”. As I started looking in the concordance with these verses, I had the revelation that that Greek scriptures are are translation of the spoken word (usually Aramaic or Hebrew). When you repeat the test using Yeshua Hamaschiah instead of Jesus Christ 1John 4:2 actually works.

@bufficliff8978

3 жыл бұрын

Nah, bro. You're over complicating it. It's not a magic trick. The main reasons deliverances won't always work is because those being held captive rarely want freedom from it. The human will is complex and stronger than our thoughts. A person will often cognitively be aware that their oppression or possession is harming them and getting in the way of what they really want, but their will doesn't follow those thoughts; they like the demons they're with. You took so many leaps I'd only be able to sort everything out in person with LOTS of questions, so I'm addressing this to other people who stumble in here more than to you because I know everyone understands that yt comments aren't a worthwhile place to truly find understanding. The first time the people of God are instructed in how to discern wether or not a spirit or prophet is from God is in Deuteronomy: 1. Fulfillment of short-term prophecy 2. Complete accuracy and continuity with the scripture written before--God will never contradict Himself. Both things must be present for it to be a spirit from God or a prophet from God. If a man can't give a short term prophecy that's fulfilled then he's not from God, but spirits CAN work those miracles, so then everything that's said next must be 100% in line with scripture. If it deviates, or changes what was previously said, then we are to disregard everything they say because it's not from a spirit of God. This is the primary test that was referenced in John 4

@bufficliff8978

3 жыл бұрын

(I'm on mobile, accidentally hit reply, and can't go back to edit it) *1 John 4:1 It's a very precise test. Also, don't neglect that the verse says "...because many false prophets have gone out into the world." This section simply isn't about demonic possession; it's about recognizing false prophets and people who are masquerading as Christian leaders for the sake of power or influence. If someone denies Jesus Christ then they are in in the spirit of God but are of the same spirit of the antichrist who is to come. It's like if someone denies that the cardinals baseball team is superior to the Cubs baseball team, they're not from stl Missouri--they're from Chicago Illinois. It's not that if you think the Cubs are better you're exclusively on the Cubs team or being held prisoner by management and being forced to say that; you're just from their hometown. The passage is about not being deceived; it's not about how to deliver anyone from possession, so the verse doesn't apply to what you were trying to use it for, which is a better explanation of why it didn't work than your technical "mispronouncing" of Jesus' name. Demons know EXACTLY who you're talking about when you speak the name of Jesus. It's not a magic word where the inflection has to be perfect. The one you call upon holds the power, and they know EXACTLY who you're talking with. This passage is about recognizing and discerning false prophets just like the passage in (I believe) Deuteronomy 17, but I'm horrible with remembering numbers. What's the test? 1. Short term fulfilled prophecy 2. Complete accuracy to the scriptures we already have written and preserved for us.

@bufficliff8978

3 жыл бұрын

In fact, using that test is how we can discount the passion translation and the mirror translation without guilt or uncertainty

The mormons say the same thing about their beloved Book of Mormon in that Joseph Smith had “special revelation” from “God”. They say the King James Version has been mistranslated and has lost “ many plain and precious truths”. Same devil messing with different easy target people.

@5BBassist4Christ

3 жыл бұрын

The Muslims also say the same thing about their beloved Quran in that Mohammad had "special revelation" from "Allah". They say the Jewish and Christian scriptures have been mistranslated and lost. There is also a sect called Hebrew Israelites. I don't know his name, but followers of this also claim the same thing about their beloved 12 Tribes Chart in that the founder had "special revelation" from "God", and that the "alleged" Jews are hiding this information.

Thank you! I was given the devotional book I Hear His Whispers (by Brian Simmons) by a dear Christian friend. I've read it every day for five months. It was hard to read. The verses that I'd memorized as a kid were unrecognizable. Everything is about love love love. Then I heard Mike Winger yesterday. No wonder it was so hard to read! I love your explanation and how you went through it point by point.

My heart breaks for all the christians who are fallen victim to this translation. 😭

@mannbradmusic

5 ай бұрын

It is heartbreaking indeed and when you mentioned the way those so-called Christians are currently falling for this, one particular passage that came to me was 2 Timothy 4:3-4, where we're warned by the apostle Paul that the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts they will raise up for themselves teachers, having itching ears and they will turn their ears away from the Truth and will turn to fables.

Anytime I hear someone say “I received a download” my discernment kicks into high gear.

@sarahgear8744

Жыл бұрын

That's because you've never received one for yourself as father for one and he'll give it to you Matthew was left-sided brain as well ask him to activate you into the mind of Christ and not in your own mind. Open to him as he says in the song of Solomon. Come up here and he will show you Great and mighty things that you do not know. If you want it is available. Words with love... By your sister Sarah

@annermelchor9565

Жыл бұрын

That is how the holy spirit act, is, work.

@TwoTreesStudio

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahgear8744 If you're actually hearing "the voice of god" in your head, I would suggest seeing a doctor.

@danielbright2916

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahgear8744 the passion is not such a download. He has made it up.

Thank you for this video. There so much false doctrine today. I was also reading the devotional, "I Hear His Whisper." It definitely makes you feel really good when reading it, but I knew everytime I read the scripture at the end of each one, my Spirit was pricked & Holy Spirit led me to read it in NKJ version. That's when i googled Brian Simmons & saw the reviews. Praise God for His Spirit that guides us in all Spirit & truth. We all need to be so close the the Lord that we can hear from Holy Spirit. I have never seen so many younger people who say they are a Christian, yet they still live the same un-transformed life. Either you love Father, Son & Holy Spirit, or you don't. There is no in the middle. If this pertains to anyone reading this, just know it breaks the heart of God. 😢❤

That sounds like the the devil masquerading as an Angel of light like Joseph Smith and Charles Taze Russell founders. 2 Corinthians 11:14

“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Matthew 24:23‭-‬25 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, I Peter 1:8 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2

It is great to know that the scholar of the NIV the allegedly non Christian inspired text.. can point at the same problems of word removal and that causes change in application, and meaning based on copyright infringement in preferential in text😅

Thank you for posting this and one thing I'd like to point out is when I heard what you had to say at the 4:59 mark, I was particularly reminded of Revelation 22:18, where we're warned that if any man adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this Book.

I used to really struggle with reading the O.T. As a younger Christian, I found it boring and found myself hopelessly inept at deciphering any meaning the O.T. authors intended to convey. In some honest moments with GOD, I prayed for guidance and for the LORD’s help with this. In answering my prayers, He directed me to The Message. Through this wonderful paraphrase of the Bible that maintains its fidelity to the original languages the Bible was written in, the O.T. began to come alive for me, and I became intrigued with the historical books of the O.T. in particular. I continued using The Message for a few years before “graduating” to the NKJV. I have come to enjoy the NKJV more than any other translation, which is nothing more than a personal preference. Others may enjoy the ESV or prefer the NASB, and good for those brothers and sisters. When presented with The Passion Translation, something prevented me from getting into it. My pastor at the time and even another very mature brother whom I respected both loved The Passion Translation and liberally encouraged others to take it up. I just could not get into it; it was not for me. Logically, I think part of it was the fact that TPT existed only as a N.T. “translation” along with Psalms, Proverbs, and Song of Songs (I cannot speak to TPT as of today). I was not interested in taking up another “translation” that was only half a Bible. I now believe that GOD steered me away from TPT. I will go a step further and state that the popular Christian fiction series, “The Chosen”, also goes too far. Its writers are taking great license about real biblical people who did pivotal things, as documented in the Bible. To otherwise recreate their stories outside of the Bible goes too far, in my opinion. Despite many Christians raving to me about “The Chosen”, like TPT, I just cannot get into it. I’ve tried; I’ve even watched two whole episodes, concluding that I don’t like it; I don’t agree with it; and it’s not for me.

@elainebender8822

Жыл бұрын

To those that feel praying and hoping that God will heal and deliver should look at your belief. Like anything else we have different beliefs goes to different churches and believe half of the Bible and put our traditions in its place. All you have to do is pray to the father and the zholy ghost will lead. We are to be kind to believers and unbeliers.. Jesus never put his month of criticism on anyone

@laurasmentek1395

Жыл бұрын

I personally agree with you. I started watching The Chosen… then got the same feeling about it as you. Same with The Passion Translation. I want nothing to do with either of them for the same reasons you state here.

@lindiharris-axon8167

Жыл бұрын

The Chosen doesn't claim to be totally according to scripture or a "video 'translation;" I take it for what it is and have enjoyed it.

@jacquelineriser1353

11 ай бұрын

As we reread scripture the Holy Spirit reveals. I also had a journey to understanding and every time I reread scripture I find revelation by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ

@tonipotterf8976

3 ай бұрын

Agree! Not a translation. Paraphrase. So sad for the "author".

Galatians 1:8" But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we preached to you, let him be accursed."

I was at an NAR church that was promoting the Passion translation. I won't read it

I used to be employed by a church where the Pastor and other people in leadership roles used TPT. I had to leave and find another church.

@madelinavila2723

Жыл бұрын

why?

I'm glad somebody is talking about this.

Excellently done. I never even heard of this translation until yesterday when an acquaintance of mine mentioned he was using. I'd thought that most people in his church were using the NIV (there's problems enough with that without bringing in THIS heretical piece of drool). But I had no idea this fellow is following a path similar to Joseph Smith's. Too bad the author hasn't read Galatians 1:8-9 (or isn't aware (or willingly ignorant) of how closely it applies to him). "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

My mom got me your book! It is so good. You really give full complete and understandable videos. I I have discernment, which is important, as my grandparents are progressive we are changing churches because some red flags that I have noticed.

The Passion is one of 2 Bibles I refuse to read, the other being The Message. I fear the author of the Message has some of the same abuses to translating text. For instance part of the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6:10 in the MEV reads, "Your kingdom come; Your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven." The same verse in The Message reads, "Set the world right; Do what’s best-as above, so below." That last phrase, "as above, so below," is straight from the Emerald Tablet and occult literature refers back to this. Paraphrases always have their limitations. As a wise man once taught me, "A paraphrase only presents one point of view. A translation presents many points of view, making it the Living Word of God."

@rockandsandapologetics7254

3 жыл бұрын

@Clouseauish I agree, but would you believe I found a way worse translation? It's called the Mirror Translation. This guy basically wrote out the idea of sin, teaches a little god theory. It's really the pits.

@tayh.6235

3 жыл бұрын

I personally find the Message cheesy and unreadable, but my best friend struggles with reading and often reads it alongside a better translation like the NIV or ESV to help make sure she's understanding the passage. So it's not totally without it's use although it definitely leaves a lot to be desired IMO.

@rockandsandapologetics7254

3 жыл бұрын

@@tayh.6235 After reading excerpts of the Mirror Translation my advise would be to let your friend use the Message Bible to help over the tough spots, just be careful. There are other paraphrases she might find helpful at Biblegateway.com You might try the Phillips. It's pretty accurate and easy to read.

@gareth2736

3 жыл бұрын

Big difference with the Message, firstly Eugene Peterson is a good scholar, 2ndly it is fairly up front about bring a paraphrase. I think it's good to read alongside another more precise translation but not just on its own instead of a precise translation.

@rockandsandapologetics7254

3 жыл бұрын

@@gareth2736 I agree it can be useful, so long as used with a translation. When a pastor uses it as his sermon Bible, then we have a problem. There are just too many difficulties in the Message. At least it isn't spoken into existence like the Passion Translation.

Brilliant short video! 👍🏼👍🏼

God Bless you. My hub disappeared and apparently is silent because his old man is dead and he is with a passion group somewhere. I wanted to find realistic info on this book and you are very clear and honest. May these blasphemous books be bound and rebuked from all eyes and ears in Jesus name. Amen.

Good work, sister Alisa. The Passion version is a free paraphrase, very free, not a "translation." To say that it is is either disingenuous or delusional. I suspect the second one. Here a brother claims to have received divine special revelation, which is now for sale! Thank you Bourgeois Jesus? Thank you Free Market Christ? I don't know what to say. Such a "translation" should be free of charge if it came from above. "Be not deceived. He who does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous."

Thank you for sharing. Simple truth.

Thank you! I didn't even know about this one.

The Passion book is not a bible, it's a perversion of God's Holy Word.

@gottacrushthis7556

3 жыл бұрын

Dang it! I had hoped to be the first.

@rockandsandapologetics7254

3 жыл бұрын

If it's not an invention of Brian Simmons to justify the NAR movement, then it's a demonically channeled book. Take your pick.

@Jeremyn_03

8 ай бұрын

@@rockandsandapologetics7254im not saying that i agree with simmons, but the NAR is just your word for people who believe there are apostles and prophets today. but what I say to you is that if apostles and prophets arent for today, why does paul give the office if both apostle and prophet?

Lady you rock!

I like to read the Bible in my native language (Danish) and then use 1 or 2 English versions for comparison, like the NASB, or NET :)

Great video

Awesome!

Thank you very much for this book review. I'm not familiar with it, but recently heard someone who used it and said, "It's doesn't matter which version you use" I've heard that before and vehemently disagree with this statement. I use kjv and if it has textual "weirdness" it's easy nowdays to sort it out. Blessings, Ang

Incredible!

At the end of Revelation, it says that “Anyone whom adds on the words of the prophecies of this book, the LORD will add to him the plagues thus described. Anyone whom takes away from the words of this book, so his share will be cut from the Tree of Life.”

@seanchaney3086

Жыл бұрын

Nearly every modern translation is guilty of this...

@thethrashpanda

Жыл бұрын

@@seanchaney3086 except NASB

John 22 will say: if you add any chapters to The book of John you will be severely judged for that! lol

@velkyn1

3 жыл бұрын

funny how this poor god never actually does anything at all to these people who do such things. It's like this god doesn't even exist. And Christians have to claim that their god will "get around" to doing something in some mysterious future. Pity it can't get around to killing people right away like the bible claims.

3 жыл бұрын

@@velkyn1 Don't worry you will get the chance to see Him one day and He will do that which is right. Trust me

@velkyn1

3 жыл бұрын

@ yet one more Christian who claims that their god will return. How many millions of you have done the same thing over the last two thousand + years? All of you are failures with your sadistic little fantasies. So, no, dear, I don't trust you at all.

3 жыл бұрын

@@velkyn1 2Pe 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 2Pe 3:4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

@velkyn1

3 жыл бұрын

@ poor PJ. It's very easy to claim that any group will be made fun of because of their baseless claims, dear. So your nonsense from 2 Peter 3 is just one more bit of obvious that you have to cling to as a "real" prophecy since all of the others have failed. Those scoffers were around when the prophecies of Christians failed every time over the last 2000+ years. It would be nice to see that you at least believe in enough in your nonsense to actually stone the false prophets like Pat Robertson, etc. This god is a nutless wonder when it comes to taking care of false prophets like he supposedly did in the bible.

Thank you sister. Good word. GBU.

Thank you, Alisa. This is really important work you're doing. God bless you in your love and obedience to God.

Thank you for making this video! You did a wonderful job of exposing the dangers of using this translation. I pray that those who use it will see the dangers for themselves.

my sister quoted a verse from this that i knew in my spirit was off because it was a spirit of accusation not a spirit of Grace. when i compared it to the kjv is was starkly obvious that God doesnt shame and call names

Religious people sure but hurt about the passion, I believe Brian Simmons is telling the truth about Jesus visitation.

Perfect

Amen!!

Hi, I am from Bogotá, Colombia in South America. I am really glad for having such information . Could you please write the name of the Scholar Alisa named at the beginning of the video, minute 0:33 ? Thank you very much. I am trying to translate in to spanish and I would like being as accurate as posible. My Pastors came from Rhema Tulsa OK, 30 years ago and My family an me we have been attending this Church for the last 11 years. Last June 2020 I was reading a Mark Hankins¨book titled "The bloodline of a champion" and I found he made two references of Norman Vincent Peale; I just looked for a little more and going deeper on the internet I realize that some things I have been taught was wrong; since this day I went back to re-study sistematic theology and I found Alisa videos, Mike videos and Melissa videos too. I have heard Ravi Zacarias too, and John Piper. I am trying to help as many people I can with the truth on those dangerous days.

@ChristiWilkes

3 жыл бұрын

Andrew Shead

I can’t believe that anyone would give this a thumbs down. Christian, do your research 🤔 Thanks Alisa, I actually bought a passion translation at an event last fall. It took a very short time for me to be uncomfortable by some of its passages and God certainly led me away from it quickly. I think it’s been recycled as a toilet seat by now 😂😂

@ditasmotin9756

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing how they twist the scripture base on there own preconcieve idea, there own theology, there own philosopy. This is the tràdition of man sound doctrine, and make merchandise of the Churchs of God. The foolishness of there heart the mouth speak, or if there heart is full of empty deciet. They lean on there own understanding out of ignorance of the scripture, they crept in unnotice among the churches of God who will read the word of God out of context. They speak flattering word of human carnal thinking. They make there own Jesus to entice many member of the churchs of God. They can make there own parable, and proverbs. there are many supporting verses of the scripture written by the prophets, and of the Apotles of Christ who are being being missenterpreted, some are being ignore out of ignorance. They have no idea if they are being disqualied, or forsaken by the Holy Spirit of God. If anyone preach to you a different gospel that you have not recieve from the writting of the Apostles of Christ, Let him be a curse. They establish there own righteoussness, and have not submmitted unto the righteoussness of the law of faith in Christ our Lord Jesus our Pastor, who is sitting at the right hand of the Father, who will judges His sheep at His right, and the goat at His left on judgesment day. Is the bible lacking of anything that you have not recieve it. Did God speak unto you.? Let the bible speak for itself. Sharing the good news of the bible is a noble task. You make sure what you are sharing is not a poisonn to the mind of the hearer. Faith comes from hearing, and hearing the word of God, and to obey all that was written in the book of life, or you will be found a lier. No wonder even satan can pretend an angel of light who decieve the woman first in the garden of eden. He will be save by child bearing for the coming of Christ to be a living sacrifice for our sin to distroy the works of satan at the cross, and to fullfil the law of Christ given by God the Father, because our currupt body cannot inherit the incurruptable body, which is the new Jerusalem, the new heaven, and the new earthly body. You cannot add, or subtract what was written in the book of life. Our faith is base on the wisdom of God, no man is wiser than the creator, no man is good, or righteouss. God do not revere man, or to be glorify. He who humble shall be your servant. We are all one sheep with one Pastor. We are all brother, and sister in Christ Jesus. These is My beloved Son whom I am please. If no one will depend the truth, many will believe a lie, and Satan is the father of all lies. These is the ministry of Satan. These is the passion of the charismatic movement. The foolisness of there heart the mouth speak. I hope you are enlightene of the truth. May God Bless.

@matthewcraig8926

Жыл бұрын

I have regular KZread account, not KZread pro. So I can not see the thumbs down numbers on this channel. Regardless, I am surprised to hear about the thumbs down votes.

Thank you so much for this video. I’m so thankful that God gave me the discernment to research what seemed like a harmless and helpful translation.

This is great reporting,I look forward to each video lately especially with the seemingly fever pitch new age confusion in the present “church”.what about a vid on the popes civil union stance?if your led!

Thats what Muhammad said

Joseph Smith was commissioned to write The Book of Mormon.

He got a download alright...from Satan “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light” - 2 Corinthians 11:14

The Message Bible is Not a good translation either! Stick with the NIV, ASB, ESV. Also check out the NET Bible.

@user-us9iw6rt7b

3 жыл бұрын

Not even NIV if you can(not the worst), I would also add KJV and NKJV to your list

@Janice-d-witnessing

3 жыл бұрын

And the NASB is great. It's actually the most accurate word for word English translation currently. ESV is very close to it. I agree, the Message is a paraphrase, not a translation, and is also deeply problematic.

@charnellmorgan

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-us9iw6rt7b Yes, the NIV takes certain scriptures out. KJV is the go-to for me and I may use ESV or NASB occassionally.

@tuppence144

3 жыл бұрын

I think Eugene Peterson ( author of the Message) never claimed it to be a 'translation'. Just a message. At least he didnt add false doctrine to his message and never claimed to had heaven visitations, down loads and meetings with angels called Passion. Reading Proverbs in the Message is really a cool & fun message for especially teenagers. The ESV, NLT, NIV, NASB & NKJ to study and know the Truth.🌿💟

@awesomefacepalm

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuppence144 yeah Eugene said that he cringed when pastors used it as bibles.

He had no business making this NAR version of Holy scripture. He probably added himself to scripture, even so beyond eisegesis, but I wouldnt know for sure bcus I will not ever read such scriptorture error myself, him & his fake trips to heavens library, ohh & Jesus happens to be the librarian. Sketchy is an understatement. Thanks for putting this out, hopefully it deters people from this "version"

@jeffmcelroy5364

3 жыл бұрын

Ive seen some of the passion translation with my own eyes and it reads exactly like those new agey Church Of The Almighty Oprah self help cook books. Not good and and completely deceiving

@J-PLeigh8409

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffmcelroy5364 thats what I figured, Ive heard plenty about it & its unfortunately fitting for the NAR, Sid Roth crowd. Super unnecessary, but they love to put their goo on anybody they can deceive. They are clouds w/out water, carried about by the winds, late autumn trees w/ out fruit, twice dead pulled up by the roots

Yes!!

Excellent and to the point. Very helpful. Thank you.

woooow thanx aaaamen

I have a very dear friend who seems to be caught up in a lot of this NAR stuff. She thinks very highly of Bethel church and Brian Johnson. When I talked to her about my strong concerns on this "Passion Translation" she responded by saying that she was sorry I was offended by it but it passes "the fruit test" for her. I'm 99% certain all she meant by "the fruit test" is that it made her feel good. She's also very caught up in working miracles (or attempting to), and I get the verrry strong impression that her and her girl friends are extremely influenced by dreams, impressions, and emotions and not so much by the Word. How do you talk to a fellow believer about the dangers of this book and this group?

@immahuman9483

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you can ask her “tell me about your fruit test?” And when she answers, break out your bible right there and then and go to the scriptures describing fruit of the spirit, and ask her where that test is in the Bible. People love to go to “fruit” because it is a subjective measure rather than an objective one like God’s word, which is outside of ourselves. Then they can call the shots. Keep bringing her back to justify her position using the word of God and study to show yourself approved in the word as well. Take notes so you don’t forget. Deuteronomy 13 and 18 are good scriptures for this idea. Even if the fruit looks “good” (by the way, it looked good to Eve, too), if these prophets or teachers lead you after another god, the god of self, their message is not from God.

@TedFarabee

Жыл бұрын

Show her videos of people that have escaped this trap. They can only be reached by people that were in it. It’s like the Mormons or LDS. Otherwise, take her to a morgue or hospital burn unit and say “Get to Work”. According to their beliefs God must heal on demand every time. How do they deal with the reality that they can’t do what they preach?

@mikepasatieri502

Жыл бұрын

High Lightning - good question that I'm still searching for the short answer. There are experiences in the Christian life, thatis true, but we ought to seek Jesus, not an experience - which is what they are doing. Some want the experience so badly that they open themselves up to the occult (grave sucking, fire tunnels and so on) and call it a Holy Spirit event. This couldn't be further from the truth. They have turned these gifts and experiences into works (you aren't saved unless you speak in tongues and so on) and in doing so they have fallen from grace (Galatians 5) and many have become fill of pride. I know this because I've been ministring to people trying to come out of the hyper-charismatic movement and some will leave but few will be humble enough to question EVERYTHING they've ben taught and examine what they believe against the Word of God. In fact, many of them don't like studying the Word that much. The NAR is doing so much damage and God will hold them accountable.

@tonipotterf8976

3 ай бұрын

Wow so blinded.

What can we now say about AMPC translation?

Alisa, I appreciate everything you said in your video. Definitely things to think about. And I can see the concerns. I have been reading tpt for a couple of years now. But I’ve also been reading the amplified, NIV and the NKJ next to what I’m reading so I can compare. There are things I feel I have a better understanding to what I’m reading and part of that is due to what I’m reading from the tpt. (I know this isn’t going to be popular to what everyone else is saying.) It’s always been important to me to stay to close to God’s word and what it means and it’s the reason I’ve taken the time to compare what I’m reading from the tpt to other Bibles. I’m actually surprised the Message Bible is brought up. I personally have never liked it as it is a very watered down version of the Bible that loses the impact of God’s word. I also see it is another Bible that some say that it also is not reliable. So just surprised when I see that it is held above the Passion. But I do appreciate the information. I will continue to do research on this and will continue to go slowly with the Passion as well as comparing to other Bibles and be very prayerful. 😌

@ILLFilms

Жыл бұрын

Are you looking for the 22nd chapter of John, a Brian Simmons exclusive?

@harryflashman9495

Жыл бұрын

The Message doesn’t purport to be a translation it is a paraphrase.

@kimpeterson4846

Жыл бұрын

What are you talking about. I looked in my TPT and googled it there's no John 22 in any TPT that I can find....please clarify your point. Thanks 😎

So glad you’re doing what you’re doing Alisa thank you.

What a great video thanks so much. This is helping my due diligence in this translation. The fact that they say that you'll fall more in love Jesus is concerning. The disciples heard His very words did not have this translation and yet where more in love with Jesus than many people are today. Shouldn't take a translation to cause us to fall in love with Jesus it should take faith and trust and what He has accomplished. The Gospel.

@meudeusefiel9820

11 ай бұрын

Amen.

Absolute YIKES.

Are other versions like NIV with so many missing words and changed words any better ?

@tonipotterf8976

3 ай бұрын

Nope

Thank you Alisa for the clarification here. It certainly sums it up nicely. Here’s another question, I’ve heard that the book of a Enoch was removed from the Bible, but I don’t feel I can find proper research on the topic. Do you know anything about this, would love to hear your thoughts.

@wisewoman4950

3 жыл бұрын

Verity Podcast by Phylicia Masonheimer provides good info about the Old Testament canon. It's a gateway to other good resources I believe. However the book of Enoch wasn't considered as part of the old testament canon even in the time of Jesus. But the disciples (at least Jude, I remember) made a reference to a part of Enoch. This shows it was being read in some form. But not as part of the Scripture. Just like the Apocrypha (not considered canon)

@Omegha94zip

3 жыл бұрын

I used to be highly interested in the "Hidden books of the Bible" like that when I was deceived by the new age. Now that I have an understanding of the Holy Spirit, I have realized that the Holy Spirit has made sure the Word of God is accurate, proper and complete and sufficient. It helped me have Faith and not worry I was missing out on anything. I Praise God and thank God for the clarity I never had before. God bless you all as well! ☺️✝️

I guess we should be prepared for the day when he comes out with "John 22" and his followers make it a best seller.

@IdratherbeinHobbiton

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully many will wake up and smell the BS when it does come out!

@aprilm3453

3 жыл бұрын

😵 I hope not ! But time will tell.

Yikes!!!! Sounds like Joseph Smith and LDS

@fnjesusfreak

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@drobinson7372

3 жыл бұрын

@Beth Tanksley: I was thinking about Sarah Young's [Jesus Calling] "special revelations" 🙄

@fnjesusfreak

3 жыл бұрын

​@@drobinson7372 I have considered the Jesus Calling series sacrilegious because she claims to be speaking as Jesus. But is she claiming special revelation, or does she understand it to just be pastiche (which is what it is)?

I love this video Alisa! But please also research the dangers of “The Message”. There are some huge problems there that I would dare call heretical. Please don’t ever promote it, even as a commentary

@NotFromTheGov

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🏻100%👍🏻

@laurabarner7258

11 ай бұрын

No kidding. The MSG is one to stay away from. You heard Alisa read that this sole author of the MSG was approved by this so-called theological scholar group. Give me a break. Go read the Our Father prayer in Matthew in the MSG and you will notice the language is the same as what Satanists use. Kid you not!

Thank you for being faithful to the Word of God!

This is very helpful Alisa. I do think since Mr. Simmons has said that “ Jesus transported him directly to heaven to receive downloads and that he will soon write the 22 chapter of the gospel of John. That the Passion book and Mr. Simmons should be avoided altogether. ✝️ 9:34

God uses the foolish thing of the earth to confined that people that think they know it all. If you actually had a relationship with father and you asked him to take you to the library of heaven he would show you the library of heaven. You can do that if you want to. This is based on relationship versus Pharisees. The Bible has already been changed from the very beginning it's actually being returned to original poem father taught an Aramaic and in Greek not idolizing one translation because we can learn from all of them but I really didn't discover a passion for reading the Bible again for me until really reading the passion translation however that's just my testimony. I have heard many people get caught up to the library of heaven including Kat Kerr who has seen all the books that have not been written in heaven there's not the scripture say if the whole Bible would to be written there are not enough books to contain it in the world. However that's okay for criticizers for they will not partake in the new thing that father is doing if they continue to criticize they will be sitting on the back while the sons of God will be walking into the new thing that father is doing. Come on my brothers and sisters he is doing a new thing ask him right now that you want to take part in it so you can see it for yourself and stop listening to others opinions

Good video!, as others have said Mike Winger also has a great video showing that Simmons inserts many concepts into his “ translation” that promote his brand of the faith. In addition he is called the “lead” translator which is just a euphemism for only!! Deceptive bordering on dishonesty

Well presented, passionate and concise review of the so-called Bible translation.

It's not a translation! It's the author's own personal commentary and that is dangerous.

Such wise words, really awesome - thanks!! 🌟❤️ The Lord *bless you and keep you* ; the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the *Lord turn his face toward you* and give you *peace* - Rock on!! 🌟❤️🌟

@johnnylongeaton6729

3 жыл бұрын

Amen

I'm curious about translations into languages other than - how about that - English - and there should be NT into all languages of the Earth, what are they translated from ? Some of the NT is originally written in Aramaic. You have the Amplified Bible that gives all the possible meanings. It's easy to think how a committee would pick the best word out of several. Just thoughts here, since Simmons often describes sources of particular named manuscripts, and names other translation possibilities very specifically, with respect, and he states why he chose the words he did. Even if we have a different discernment. Is every English translation perfect ? Is every translation into other languages perfect ? I am glad that Simmons translated into several indigenous languages where he and wife were missionaries over decades, I am glad people groups have scripture and are now saved who otherwise would not hear the gospel because a committee was not available for them.

What is your opinion of the Message translation?

@tonipotterf8976

3 ай бұрын

Not any better. People need to stop being money hungry.

That you for this easy and well researched video!

There's some things in newer translations where they replace, "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". That reading is from older translations there are word for word instead of thought for thought. But newer translations say, "faith is the assurance". Wait, is faith a feeling, or is it actually substance, and just that, with our physical eyes we can't see what exists? We don't receive the promised of God by feeling them in our heart. Were receive the promises of God through faith and patience. I think that the passion translation is a paraphrase that should have an original intent always alongside it, in order to correct it. I've beard women say, "it's my favorite, I can hear my Father's heart speaking". Well, maybe He is able to speak through the parts that are accurate, as all transactions will do that. See better than others and others worse. God works alongside us. But these women just replace their main Bible with this bible. Forgive me for being blunt, but, these women need to act more like men and stop always living by their feelings. Get over yourself and pick up a real Bible. That's what faith really is. What this guy, who started writing the passion translation, should have done, is just write it as commentary. I get downloads and stuff right from God because I common, I have the Same Holy Spirit to help me understand what He has already written in the Bible. But I'm not going to rewrite what the Bible says. I will not replace the Scripture. Right now, I am writing an entire commentary to the new testament, and it is beautiful what God is showing me. I personally just stick with a kjv. Its awesome.

The bible itself says we cannot add nor take from it. I pray for you Allissa cause your call its a very difficult one!

The KJV is the closest translation (if now the original to Hebrew). Isn’t it funny how when we go to college, we read the material exactly as it’s given to us we don’t look for other translations we just do it, and we learned it the way that they want us to. However, when it comes to the Bible, we always have to find something “new“. The truth is, all these translations take out certain words, which completely change the meaning of scripture. Those without discernment, see it as just words, but when you take time to truly study the Bible, you see how different words can change the entire meaning of a message; yes, just one or two words can completely throw off everything

I'm not sure I'd lump the Message Bible in with the Passion Translation. I love the Message. Eugene Peterson was a highly respected Hebrew and Greek scholar and his translation was reviewed by a team of biblical scholars. James Packer called it "A landmark and triumph!" I have been immersed in the Bible for over forty years, in most English versions, and, in my opinion, the Message is a devotional treasure!

@exnihilio1

Жыл бұрын

You might want to do some more research concerning the message bible. Many of the scriptures divert from the original contextual meaning

@andrewlee4670

8 күн бұрын

Peterson did a good job giving us a more readable study. He even stated that it's just a way to get people interested in actual bible reading.

So you think “The Message” Paraphrased Translation is good????

Everyone puts in his biases including scholars. That is why we have more translations to cross check them.

And to think that Jewish scribes invalidated a document if two letters touched eachother or had to redone the entire manuscript they copied if three pages needed correction.

To add to single-author translations: Darby

I have been uncomfortable with the Passion Translation. I know of a significant flaw in the Old Testament that I have written to Brian and his staff about a repeated flaw in the translation and asked him to go before the Throne of Almighty God (where there can be no deceit Revelation 14:5 NKJV) for the Truth. I am still waiting for a reply. Your video prompted me to question before the Throne of Almighty God and I did not get a good answer.

1:50 The Message is also not a real translation.

@Hannah-me3wu

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts too

@carolberubee

3 жыл бұрын

You're right. It's a paraphrase, at best.

@woodb51

3 жыл бұрын

But at least Eugene Peterson admitted that his was a paraphrase, Simmons admitted no such thing.

@fnjesusfreak

3 жыл бұрын

The Message doesn't claim to be a translation. And from what I understand, Peterson was absolutely horrified to find that people were *replacing* their Bibles with The Message, rather than *supplementing* them as he intended.

If God did it with Moses, David, John the Revelator, why it’s it hard to believe what Brian is say?

You need to check into the author of the message so-called Bible. He also is not trained in the biblical languages. One of my sources for this assertion is Pastor Mike Winger.

Thank you for clarifying, I have a digital copy and shortly after being to read it I soon stopped reading it. You know in your spirit that something is right about it! Blessings in Yahushua, 👍❤️🙏

Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world to all nations like Jesus christ Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,mark 13:10?

Tyndale's translation of the N.T., the Geneva Bible, and the KJV are better and more accurate in every way than anything since.

@scottwojack

3 жыл бұрын

No, for a very simple reason. The English language has changed over the last 500 years where the KJV in many instances is no longer a good translation. A great example of this is the word wait. in 1611 no used this word to describe a passive waiting, like waiting at the bus stop. The English word wait comes from the (I believe old french) word waiter. A good waiter does not stand around but waits upon their tables. So the phrase "those who wait upon the Lord will renew their strength", in 1611, would never have been understood as a passive form of waiting but more as an active form of serving. In 2020 a much better translation would be "those who serve the Lord will renew their strength". Unless you use the English language exactly as they did in 1611 the KJV is a horrible translation for 2020 and it was a bad translation really by the early 1800s because the langue had already changed so much.

@joshuatheo1419

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottwojack and now we have found older and more reliable manuscripts than the TR

I tuned into my Sunday service today, and the pastor said after the music selection, he’d be reading from Hebrews, The Passion Translation!!! UGHHHHHHH!😩 SERIOUSLY 😳?!!!

In Galatians 3:19 Paul does change something the Bible said. Paul writes in Galatians 3:19 the Torah, the Jewish Law was given to Moses by angels. In the Bible we read that Moses gave the Law to the Jews. In the Bible we read that God gave the law to Moses. Paul has a lot answering to do here because in the Bible Jesus said Christians have to follow the law given by God to Moses. And Paul said that Christians should forget the law given by God to Moses. Its a problem, you know.

@04:20 remember this isn't a parody. This is him saying this happened.

I recently withdrew from the church i used attend to because of this tpt bible. I rather not go to church than sit in a church getting mixed up with things like this.

Galatians 1:8

I would love to hear your thoughts of god is grey KZread channel I do feel like she changes a lot of the Bible to make sin seem okay . I’m not looking for a knock on her just the fact that she only seems to think that sin is ok and we should just love sin idk .

Brian Simmons and Joseph smith really sound alike to me...

Most Analytical people are perfectionists that usually only study the Bible with their mind. Inspirational People like writers, psalmist, musicians, artists and dancers are usually more connected and studying God’s out their spirit in relationship union with Ruah Ha Kadosh.- Holy Spirit. So let the God-gifted Analyst have the KJV and the inspirational people have the TPT

Wow thank you for 😊 telling us God bless you sister 🙏 ❤

He received 'downloads'. Mediums use that term...just saying.

@TreadingtheBorderlands

Жыл бұрын

It’s such a new age term. He could’ve said anything else yet he’s exposing himself