No diff lock, no power steering, no tow receiver. It’s a joke. I guess we have to wait 15 more years

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

I really hope Honda is reading these comments because everyone is saying the same thing LOL. Good stuff

@hummyhero1484

26 күн бұрын

Agreed

@shawnkavanagh2951

23 күн бұрын

no power steering = no chance me being interested

They need to shoehorn the pioneer 1000 drivetrain into a atv I bet they would sell like crazy

@DakotaPajak

Ай бұрын

❤❤

@southernslangerz2254

Ай бұрын

Facts. I been saying this since they came out with the Talon and Pioneer

@healthiestsickness8646

Ай бұрын

they totally succeed in disapointing everyone i mean i didnt expected honda to bring a new twin 850 or 1000 japanese made quad on the market but it would have been so nice, suzuki yamaha and kawasaki (even tought kawa is a 750 twin) would have been forced to come with something to compete the next years but no we get some stupid worthless shit instead ... great i wonder if they even study the market and what people wantsometime

@tbone198786

10 күн бұрын

Everyone has been saying the same thing for years.

@R.O.A.V

3 күн бұрын

I peek at the lineup every year and hope I see a 1000 in an foreman never do 😂

They didn’t even put power steering or a locker on it STILL OMGGG this is the biggest joke by far Hondas ever pulled.

@Bartsnightmare

18 күн бұрын

I had to check my calendar to make sure it wasn’t April 1st?

I’m so glad I wasn’t the one overreacting when this thing dropped, so so disappointed

I love all my Honda machines, I’ve always been baffled by their tone deaf ignorance of market trends

funny they were the leader in the 80s with their ATC and Fourtrax 40 years ago, they were so simple yet innovative .... and look at them now

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

Freaking lawyers ruin everything

Just give us the Rubicon 1000 already.

@thomashodo7303

Ай бұрын

According to there web site it has the same engine as the pioneer 700 which is 61 hp

@DakotaPajak

Ай бұрын

❤❤❤

@southernslangerz2254

Ай бұрын

Yes lawd 👌🏼👌🏼

@tylerwombatt6478

27 күн бұрын

@@thomashodo7303and guess where they got the engine for the p700 from.

@thomashodo7303

27 күн бұрын

@@tylerwombatt6478 I thought the rincon only had 38 hp the pioneer has 61

Since they took away the Rincon name, maybe that means they will bring it back as something bigger?

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

That would be great

I was hoping they would get rid of the rincon and do like canam did and come out with a new design 650/700 with footshift optional with difflok minus the belt. Guess we'll wait another 10 years.

Dang.😕 i was holding out for this new unit. What a disappointment. It’s like putting lipstick on a pig. Oh well I’ll keep shopping. Thanks MP

Believe me, I know the frustration. I wish Honda would build a new trx450r But I don't think they ever will

@biged420

27 күн бұрын

They won’t even build a decent utility atv, they won’t ever bring back a sport quad, that markets dead, hence why they got out of it

@tbone198786

10 күн бұрын

​@biged420 the sport quad market isn't dead. Yamaha is just the only ones selling them. The trx 250 sells like crazy.

@biged420

7 күн бұрын

@@tbone198786 Yes Yamaha still sells them and yes Honda still has the little 250 but look at the sales numbers of these machines vs SXS and sport utility machines, the numbers Arnt there for Honda to get back into making a 400 or 450 sport quad let alone try and take the market back from Yamaha after they they already handed it to them

I wish the Honda would make a too cylinder making at least 60 horsepower but when I first saw it I thought well that actually doesn't look too bad but then I found out it still doesn't have power steering and everything else is also the same so it's still not making any more power and I was kind of mad

I wonder if they changed the gearing. My rincon is a totally different machine with a BR gear reduction, but i wouldnt buy a new one with out some major updates.

Agree 100% with everything you said. I got so say that if Honda doesn’t up the ante and soon, they’ll be phased out soon by the likes of cfmoto…lol. I’m getting first hand experience with cfmoto at work and I hate to admit it but China is doing it better then Honda right now😤 if Yamaha don’t revamp the grizzly soon they’ll be in the same boat. Like wise I can’t even count the number of pioneer 500’s I’ve sold for Honda due to my channel but except the the little Honda XR 150 bike I just bought as a commuter, I’m done with Honda!

@Clamjammer

Ай бұрын

I just got a cf moto CForce 1000 touring. What do you think of these as a mechanic?

@AppalachianMountainRiders

Ай бұрын

@@Clamjammer I’m super impressed with them! The new Gen 3’s haven’t been around long enough to speak of longevity but they are surprisingly well built and have great fit and finish. Best bang for buck machine you can buy period! I’ll be getting to do a review of the new Gen 3 1000 very soon!

@Lalaafastroli

26 күн бұрын

I’ve owned all Japanese brands(they are amazing) got my cfmoto 600 2 years ago and has incredibly reliable.

@freidrichnietzsche6643

26 күн бұрын

Your videos helped convince me to buy a pioneer 520 last year 👍🏻

Ive owned a lot of the big bore atvs new 00-06 and flipped a bunch on the side from 2011-2015. Imo hondas were pretty crappy. They never pulled much were always 3 wheel drive lacked suspension brakes and power. I had a rincon and it was pretty useless except for trail riding and still lacked a lot in that area. I broke the frame on it and blew the trans. I had a rubicon it was nice ans the gears were low but it would pull as much as the 325 polaris and not even close to a 500 sportsman. I would say the 350 rancher and 300 fourtrax were my favorites just because they were so small the 300 espically.

@cumminsbayou

Ай бұрын

350 rancher is literally the worst 4 wheeler Honda ever built. 300 is built for a child, can’t toat 28s stock, and has a junk rear end

@richieschmidt6225

Ай бұрын

I love the late 90s and early 2000s Hondas. Recons, ranchers, foreman’s, fourtrax 300.

Pls honda just make a 1000cc rubicon with power steering and a diff lock

@MudPuppyOffroad

29 күн бұрын

Maga

Well said. Laziness, and no understanding of the market

Excellent video brother! Damn! Our entire family love Hondas because of their reliability toughness and simplicity. I need a quad for mixed use in our farm (and some trail/gravel road riding) so I’ve been somewhat waiting to see what Honda would put out per the rumors. Was very stoked when I heard they were coming out with a big bore and knew about the existing Rincon but This is disappointing considering I had hoped they produce a big bore (big single/twin engine) style utility atv like the Polaris sportsman 850 or 1000 with a decent suspension that rides better (I am a Hoonigan after all 😂). I get it that there are BIG differences between team red and Polaris but at that price point, and with current incentives and shopping hard, you’re not too far $$ from a new big bore Polaris where you arguably get more ATV for your money (engine, suspension, ride quality, features etc) which really has me thinking about trying a big bore Po po. Hell, the most expensive Honda atv has less suspension travel than their cheaper models… not to mention the gearing issues you mention and the power output mentioned in the comments. If true, Why in the hell would the neuter the engine that much - I just don’t understand. I’d probably be “ok” with a 520 rubicon eps/deluxe but would regret not trying a big bore quad at this point. Honda may have pushed me away with this move. This rincon rebrand is what happens when marketing and (primarily) accounting are driving the corporate ship. Turn the engineers loose Honda!

The dealer close to me pretends rincons are not made anymore. They don’t sell. I’d be ok with the 3 speed if it had a low range but it’s geared so high as is it sucks on the trails I ride and I’m not doing extreme mud or anything.

Honda hasn't hit it out of the park since the release of the 420 Rancher, that was the last big quantum leap of anything they've done. The 520 models aren't any more impressive than the 475's. Honda really screwed up when they decided to push the Hondamatic, then this 3 speed abomination. There's no innovation for ATV's anymore and there's not going to be any for another 20 years.

Damn. Honda price hiked the shit out of everything for 2025

Kawasaki has been playing the same game as Honda for years. They keep acting like they are listening and they tease people at trade shows ect. They claimed 2 years ago a whole new brute was coming out but they just did the same thing as the previous Brute/prairie. They slapped different plastics on the same crap they have had since the brute force 650i and 750i Came out. I'd love to see Honda make a big bore that's got some real power tho.

@healthiestsickness8646

Ай бұрын

i only see 2 contenders for bringing. 850 or 1000 twin, yamaha or kawasaki, because honda suzuki are still way too conservative imo

@mukhanglarochannel4774

2 күн бұрын

Honda is like their michael jordan. They're looking up to them. So they will do the same.

On dirt wheels they showed a patent for a Yamaha Sport utility, likely a 1000, I don’t understand why Honda can’t update any of their machines. All the manufacturers are improving while Honda is pretty stagnate aside from the Talon

I definitely be interested to get my hands on one of those mainly for the rear plastics lol it would be nice to have two lights on Rubicon instead of the one single light

@biged420

27 күн бұрын

Plastics are made to work and fit on the rincon frame/chassis so I doubt it’d be as simple as just bolting them on to a Rubicon

@justin_steen

27 күн бұрын

@@biged420 yeah I mean I know, but if it was Bolt on it would be really nice

@biged420

26 күн бұрын

@@justin_steen agreed

The biggest problem with the Rincon is it only has 3 gears, and so does this. Would it have been possible for Honda to put in its 5 speed automatic transmission?

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

It would have been possible but they would have had to re-engineer the entire engine and clearly they're too lazy to do anything other than face lifts

@drakeslocum2564

Ай бұрын

@@MudPuppyOffroad if I remember correctly they also bumped the power down in the Rincon a couple of years ago. Taking it from 38 hp to 32 hp

@benlouwagie4567

Ай бұрын

This should hopefully have substantially more power and make up for the lack of gears.. they could’ve done a lot better but I think it is a step in the right direction. A very small step but at least we have somthing.

I love the shift lever for plowing snow. Its the fastest easiest shifting atv for plowing.

So much potential but keeps disappointing. I have a 22 Honda pioneer 1000-5 Deluxe and have disposed it for the year of ownership. Being traded next week. Can't wait.

@benlouwagie4567

Ай бұрын

What was wrong with it?? We are considering a p1000 for the farm to work.

I would like to point out that Kawasaki did basically the same think with the Brute Force this year, and Honda and Kawasaki released these models late anyone else notice this ?

1000% agree! Same damn thing what a shame. Things are total turds and honestly have some issues with cam chain tensioners and engine noise and grinding in and out of foreword and reverse with that gas shifter. Hunk of shit

21 years of production and still no diff lock, or even a low range. All they did right was make the racks bigger.

So pissed I wanted a rubicon R or something cool and not gay

Thank you for preaching the truth to All the brainwashed people that actually think this is a good machine

wonder if they did that to test the 700 first before bringing over to the actual rubicon frame.

Hopefully honda makes a new rincon that can compete with can ams and Polaris while having the Honda reliability and feel to the machine. Do you agree mudpuppy? If not what are your thoughts?

@freidrichnietzsche6643

26 күн бұрын

I agree. See my comments below!

@Creek41

26 күн бұрын

@@freidrichnietzsche6643 wow you wrote a hole essay

@freidrichnietzsche6643

26 күн бұрын

@@Creek41 Haha! Had some strong coffee this morning ;) To summarize - the rebranded Rincon ... is "ghey"!

@Creek41

26 күн бұрын

@@freidrichnietzsche6643 yes l agree hopefully the rincon comes back as a 850 or 1000 rincon

@mud puppy im getting water in my oil on my 99 300 need help please

Ive been watching ur older vids and i wanted to ask where ur riding? It looks like Florida and it looks very similar to where i live maybe we could go ride sometime?

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

I ride all over the place. Mostly FL

It will still sale, but is there any change to the gear ratios ? They will likely see a profit from the aesthetic changes for that model in sales over the course of a year. Remember it’s about the profits for them. If they don’t see enough profits in the sales annually, they won’t spend all the money to manufacture a completely brand new model.

When I heard there was a rubicon 700 coming to Canada I was so excited, and then I was more let down than I've ever been by a product. It's worse in every way than a 520, and costs more, absolutely criminal. I hope dealers push customers away from this.

Amazing concept but they shoulda added more new stuff

There's that ! Well said MudPuppy!

Man for a few days before I found any details on this quad I was super excited. This just bums me out. If they just did a legit rubicon with the 700cc engine I’d be handing my 17 rubicon to my brother or mother to use and be running a wicked atv. Typical Honda.

I have a 2021 Rincon and a 2022 rubicon and like the Rincon so much better way more power and faster and honestly feels better other than no diff lock which I added one after market

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

Curious what front locker you added...? Did you do a spool? You must only do trails

@justin_steen

Ай бұрын

Did you do a spool locker?

@5.3Axel

Ай бұрын

@@MudPuppyOffroad no I did it for mud here amd there I do trails but mud is more fun

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

@@justin_steen yeah that's my question. There's no locker available for the newer Rincons

@5.3Axel

Ай бұрын

@@justin_steen not sure got it from highlighter and there a guy with a Timon on KZread that shows how u do it

On the Canadian website it states it has 3 stage 4wd with licker

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

That's funny

@ToadHoleOntario

Ай бұрын

Honda didn't call it a licker but they done show a picture to validate the locker just the old school 2wd selector. I'm not into the Rincon and love my 2017 rubicon but we haven't had the rincon up in Canada for years

@justin_steen

Ай бұрын

How’d you even get to the Canadian website? Wait, nvm I read your name…

did they even add power steering???

@Larry-xf3qt

Ай бұрын

No 😂

In my opinion it's not laziness it's trickery

Im guessing it’s using the pioneer 700 engine, not the rincon engine.

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

Care to share with the differences are?

Honda needs to get it together and make interesting things products again. Like bring back 2 strokes and sport quads.

I always forget that canadians get less machines then the US. The rincon hasnt been sold here in years. I kinda hope this "new 700" will be just so I can ride it

There is no bogging on a Rincon in the mud. Torque monster

@MudPuppyOffroad

24 күн бұрын

Yeah that's just incorrect. Every Rincon in Pioneer 700 can be heard bogging and seen barely turning the tires. You must be running stock tires which around here wouldn't get you out of the parking lot.

@MudPuppyOffroad

24 күн бұрын

They are geared far too high for oversized or aggressive tires

fuck the hondas 👍 i loved em my whole life but my 3rd gen outlander is a completely different experience.

Man what a let down bruh.

Honda get the 755 motor from your trans gender Alps?. And update the suspension like the Riny.

Just imagine telling someone that owns a 520 rubicon that your 700 rubicon don’t have a low range or power steering or diff lock or upgraded suspension and weighs more and cost more and is actually a rincon. Good job honda.this could be the dumbest atv they have ever built and in my opinion it’s insulting to me and others that want and would pay for what Honda refuses to build.just rediculous

The days of Honda being top ATV’s is well over. They haven’t been interesting in years

They claim same engine as the p700

The Honda site says it’s the pioneer 700 motor

@justin_steen

27 күн бұрын

Literally the exact same thing

@SAFE-AT-HOME-SPORTS.

27 күн бұрын

@@justin_steen then it’s 60+ horsepower

@justin_steen

27 күн бұрын

@@SAFE-AT-HOME-SPORTS. yeah but it’s geared crazy aggressive in first because it’s a *three speed*

@justin_steen

27 күн бұрын

@@SAFE-AT-HOME-SPORTS. and the “previous gen” only made 38hp at the wheels

Idk I feel like that shit looks nice ash tho the rincons were ugly that Honda front end is the best looking one ever 💯

Well they are reliable

@biged420

27 күн бұрын

They better be because that’s the only thing going for them

I will just stick with my old Suzuki king quad 300 4x4 And just keep waiting and hopefully Honda stops and listens to its fan base

Damn.

Your better off getting a 570 can am used

No eps and no diff lock on the facelift rincon still either, too stupid

👍🇨🇦

Honda is so old fashioned and underpowered 😂

@MudPuppyOffroad

4 күн бұрын

ATVs yes

My 420 rancher will smoke it😅

lol

Total joke! C'mon Honda, get your shit together!

This isn't just a Honda problem. All the Japanese brands have put their R&D into SxS now. It's what sells. Absolutely no innovation in the ATV segment in 10 years.

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

Good point 100%

The Build Design is 1994 , and the model is 2024 WTF ! Quit building ATV HONDA PLEASE! its embarrassing to your BRAND

My 2023 Sportsman 570 has more power than that lol

I find Honda in the ATV off Road world to be the laziest of them all, they have absolute Die Hard fan base yet they keep throwing up the same model for years while their fan base screams for more power. That's why I don't ride Hondas or Yamahas, Kawasaki because they are boring once you feel what Can-Am and Polaris are doing. Because of this I have switched. For decades I was a absolutely Die Hard Honda fan, Can-Am is my new. I don't care that they're not made as well once you get on one it's a different world compared to these underpowered Farm vehicles that the Japanese sell

@MudPuppyOffroad

3 күн бұрын

Have you ever heard of Kawasaki or Yamaha? They're even worse as far as making meaningful updates every other decade... Lol it's actually happening with most ATV manufacturers because all the money is in side-by-sides. Fat drunk idiots feel safer in a side-by-side that has a much flatter learning curve

@seatsniffer100

3 күн бұрын

@MudPuppyOffroad that is SO true . More $ in sxs because of this quads are getting left to the side. If Can-Am and Polaris keep going on the upward Trend that they are for quads I'm happy

This is the whole video? You trashing Hondas sight and ATV specs? 😂

@MudPuppyOffroad

9 күн бұрын

It's accurate

Major disappointment!

What a joke 😂

Honda doesn't like power... power breaks stuff lol

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

P1K and talon make great power...

@biged420

27 күн бұрын

Dumb irrelevant comment

stop nit pickin

@MudPuppyOffroad

Ай бұрын

Lol read some other comments

I hope nobody buys this Honda you'vebeenconned 700

@MudPuppyOffroad

17 күн бұрын

Oh man I love that

It's a real bummer. But there's speculation that Honda might make a bigger Rincon now... but who knows. This might be it. Lame.