Props to his passenger for operating the pedals 👍

@GRfourfun

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂👌🏻

@x3mbr

Жыл бұрын

RHD pedalbox and LHD steering 🇯🇵🇩🇪

@ProGen6

Жыл бұрын

Best comment of the year 2023 😂

@pigeonpoo1823

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh, but the driver must have been blipping the throttle for the passenger

@kylebaylis13

Жыл бұрын

BRO you actually killed me with this lmfao

thank you for posting this with proper onboard camera angle/position and no cuts and no music. this is just how we car guys like it

@joshuak8335

Жыл бұрын

I agree! Let me hear it as if I'm there. Excellent move by Honda

@davidpardy

Жыл бұрын

100%

@nathanwright783

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah! Cover up the LogR screen and show us completely useless g meters cause that tells car guys everything we need to know. 😑

@tony42898

10 ай бұрын

It's good I don't hear: "*WUB WUB WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB* HHHHHHLIKE A BULLET TRAIN *BOWNNNNNN DUDUDUDUDU OOOOOOOOLLLL WUB WUB OOOOOOH WUUUUUUUUUUUUH*"

@koraxi8958

9 ай бұрын

This is 2023 I expected no less🤷🏿

This Time lap Record: 80% Driver, 20% car. I think this is one of the most impressive Nordschleife's onboard i've ever seen, not for the speed instead, but for the driver commitment. Super Job!

@e2rqey

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me a lot of the old NSX Nord lap video

@JoeFiddle-ls5jh

9 ай бұрын

Both my friend

@JoeFiddle-ls5jh

9 ай бұрын

Why did the driver walk the track? All honda powered f1 engines

@jespermeisel9799

Ай бұрын

You have not seen me driving yet. Just hold my beer.

No intro, no fluff, just straight to the point for 7 minutes and 57 seconds. 10/10 Good job Honda

10/10ths. This lap is right on the knife’s edge at every turn. Very impressed how composed this driver is with his inputs while being constantly right on the limit.

@098Xzibit

Жыл бұрын

Yea he chillin.

@RiasGremoryS54

Жыл бұрын

Japan driver 🇯🇵

@ArtVandelayOfficial

Жыл бұрын

Drift King Tyuchiya Keechi

@quangminhang6294

Жыл бұрын

@@RiasGremoryS54 haha nope. U can see his name on the helmet - Bebu Girolami, Honda TCR Team driver

@Golden3ye

Жыл бұрын

That looked like 11/10ths to me.

Absolutely insane driving. Not surprised at all by the run, this car is insane!

@derbigpr500

Жыл бұрын

Insanely modified that is, this particular model. I've driven the Type R and the front end is very lazy, the car tends to understeer quite a lot. This one is super sharp and oversteers in every corner. Clearly modified suspension compared to stock just for this lap. Not to mention if they sold this setup to the public 99% of people would bin the car the first time they'd drive it above 5/10ths.

@deehipkiss7089

Жыл бұрын

Man's a driver

@scottgardner5918

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@derbigpr500not true, the only modification is the tires. They're running cup 2's, extremely sticky tires. This is the front wheel drive record so it is imperative that the car is in stock form. If it was modified, this record wouldn't even count, so you're 100% talking nonsense.

@trapt29

Жыл бұрын

@@derbigpr500 Wrong. Do your research before posting.

@trapt29

Жыл бұрын

@@scottgardner5918 Exactly.

The amount of grip this car has is astonishing. The way the rear end rotates so cooperatively, Honda really knows their stuff and this guy is a monster behind the wheel.

Impressive use of 6th gear (4 times). No other driver of the stock FL5 has managed that on the Nordschleife with the usual longer gearing they have in 6th. Looks like uprated boost pressure (peaked at 1.83), a 0.3 bar uprate generally, and modified gear program. Will the new variant Type R S have these modifications? Would be great!

@danisantos3255

Жыл бұрын

Definitely impressive! What a way to chea-… find performance!

@ckleanth

Жыл бұрын

I smell a hint of sarcasm x2 😂

@adollar47

Жыл бұрын

And the gyroscope overlay is hilarious.. but very well tracked to conceal the screen 😂 Would've loved to see some more relevant data despite the cover-up

@JacobMueller

Жыл бұрын

I for one am shocked that a professional racing driver got different characteristics out of a car than an accountant/YT vlogger. Also this is the CTR-S edition, as noted in their press release. Similar to what Renault did with the Trophy R, but Honda changed MUCH less than they did from the stock car.

@Chocofur

Жыл бұрын

@@JacobMueller how do you know if they've changed much less if the spec of the car is not even available? Different gearing ratios and turbo boost is not a minor change. Renault didn't change anything in the engine, they've simply removed backs seats, 4 control (which quite a lot of people didn'tt like anyway) and added 2 carbon parts (hood and diffuser). carbon breaks and wheels that were used to break the record are an overkill but you can still get them if you want as an option. Put Cup2R's on Megane and the record will be back at Renault with way more than 0.5s as it stands now for Honda.

Glued to the screen the whole lap. That driver is on the utter limit. Inch-perfect inputs and corrections, and the fact that they managed to clock a 7.44 after missing 5th at 3:24 and that huge code brown moment at 4:18 just shows how talented they are. I had to replay 1:47 several times - opposite lock through the foxhole at nearly 250km/h??!! Madness. What a lap!!!

@Turbly

Жыл бұрын

Glued to the screen the whole lap. That driver is on the utter limit. Inch-perfect inputs and corrections, and the fact that they managed to clock a 7.44 after missing 5th at 3:24 and that huge code brown moment at 4:18 just shows how talented they are. I had to replay 1:47 several times - opposite lock through the foxhole at nearly 250km/h??!! Madness. What a lap!!!

@dylanwhitfield1744

8 ай бұрын

He could of shaved a good 4 secs easily I have watched 4 times and seen hun limit his track usage not using curbs the code brown moment and he definitely slowed it down after that missing 5th gear and his line was almost on point very impressive driving though congrats to Honda for retaking the fastest ff car as they are the best in my opinion for that platform

Wow he is really throwing it into these corners, and the correction at 4:18 is lightning quick my god

@barsaf9989

Жыл бұрын

When I saw it I literally said "oh my God."

@JasonMcMullen

Жыл бұрын

@@barsaf9989 same here

@silv3rArrow

Жыл бұрын

And with pedal still to the floor.

@28SHAWNSHAWN

Жыл бұрын

@@silv3rArrow YEAH RIGHT, BALLSY

@sddyck

Жыл бұрын

Underwear change please!

@4:18 hahah mega. The whole lap is intense. The balance is amazing. Flat through the foxhole. Love it. In a re-watch I've decided this is one of the most fully committed laps I've ever seen. He even got half thrown out of carousel mid way through.

That's quite a bit more boost there over a stock car...and quite a short 6th gear as well 👀

@Beanie-Sandals

Жыл бұрын

Def boosted above stock

The superimposed map of weight transfer shows how good the car performs. Under initial braking the weight is transferred to the front wheels quickly and solidly but more importantly, when he begins to trail brake and put in steering lock at turn in, diagonal weight transfer is great. The outside rear gets weight that is equal to the outside front heading toward the apex, meaning the car is rotating and the driver can hold a consistent lock. The car looks really fun. Even someone like me, not a race driver outside of sim racing, could seemingly drive this car at lower speeds, be challenged a bit, get a thrill and enjoyment without having to worry about being dangerous to anyone around me. I may have to convince the wife to let me buy one of these!

@axelriet

Жыл бұрын

Now imagine that folks who never drove this car, let alone that fast, will come up with all kind of aftermarket parts to "improve" it 🤡

@einautofan6685

Жыл бұрын

This Display would drive me mad! Absolutely annoying! I would switch the Display off!😜

@pierremarcoux9465

Жыл бұрын

Just let your wife try driving the Type R. After that, she might let you drive it on occasion :)

@yapira3d

Жыл бұрын

Forget asking the wife just buy it

Almost loses it after the 4min mark 😳 but got it right back 🔥

@kv683

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a close call

@silksonice

Жыл бұрын

4:19 🤯

@fasttracklap8480

5 ай бұрын

he said: NOPE ! i got an impressive lap going

Shorter 6th and more boost, impressive driving still!

@Blas4ublasphemy

Жыл бұрын

If they were willing to do that then who knows what else also?

@RChero1010

Жыл бұрын

@@Blas4ublasphemy the platform is good enough, that's probably all they did

@jk9436

Жыл бұрын

@@RChero1010 Impressive driving for sure - sometimes a smidge over the top - however I am quite positive, that they added an additional or beefier oil cooler. Stock Type R can be seen in other videos running higher Oil Temps and dropping oil pressure, with less intense driving - whereas this one with more boost and 10/10ths driving is cooler.

Honda Forever!! 🇯🇵🏁

Wow! Bravo Honda. Bravo. Also mad props to that driver. Honda is breaking records with each new release of the Type R. That is how you get some serious cred and that is how you sell cars to enthusiasts.

@Xsidon

Жыл бұрын

.6 of a second from the previous record at 20 kilometers is within margin of error tbh. Like Renault could take that same record setting megane RS and do a slightly better lap and it would beat that honda.

@Xsidon

Жыл бұрын

@Jay exactly becouse of the reason i started. It means nothing for the car.

@derbigpr500

Жыл бұрын

Except they wont sell you this car, which is heavily modified and has a totally different suspension setup from what you'll get. Honda is cheating generation after generation.

@derbigpr500

Жыл бұрын

@Jay They don't have to. Everyone knows the Megane is a superior car, and that Honda cheats by using non-stock cars for setting records. Look how oversteery this car is, how sharp the front end is. The rear wants to step out every time he touches the steering wheel. That's a TOTAL opposite of how this car drives actually, I mean, stock. This is why no driver with a Type R ever gets anywhere near the lap times set by Honda, and Megane RS drivers regularly do so and go even faster.

@samuvl9952

Жыл бұрын

Asombroso pilotaje, en el minuto 4,19 esa trasera pierde el agarre del asfalto y el piloto le mete un hachazo al volante para enfilar el coche en su trazada. Hay grandes coches, pero las manos , son las artesanas de todos los hechos

7:34 heading into that turn at 150MPH shows how incredible this car really is.

He's using the car and the track to its very limits. Amazing drive!

Wow! 😳That driver needs more credit... Fair play, proper mega driving there! 👏🏻 Well done Honda, another great car!

@martinortiz575

Жыл бұрын

His name is Nestor Girolami, from Argentina, actually official driver of the Honda's WTCR team.

The confidence which the driver has in his skills and in his car is insane. I do not even dare to attack the section from 4:07 to 4:20 like this in video games!

No ones talking about his clutch technique, balancing the grip of the car this guy is a monster

the way the car's tire seek grip when he's pushing the corners is just unbelievable, full commitment

what insane driving! holy wow that was beautiful to watch and some parts got my heart beating cause it looked like the driver might have lost it but cool, calm & collected at those high speeds! insane to witness, can't wait for the Type S see if those additional 5 horses are just for show

4:18 I almost cried - incredibe lap! Most corner entries where just pure neutral steer with insane confidence. Unreal.

Something is funny about that 6th gear being so short compared to stock...

Thank you, Honda for making my birthday extra special🫡

I can smell that clutch from here. Nice lap.

This is truely an outstanding lap 😮 he gives everything. WHAT A DRIVE!! And what to say of the car!! She seems on rail. Incredible work from all the Honda team. Once again, you produce a legend!!

proper driving here. i really appreciated the telemetry, track map, and especially the pedal view

More boost plus shorter gear ratio? Come on now…..

That was awesome! Killer driving.

Amazing driving! Fl5 is fwd track weapon. So planted. Shifts throw short and precise and response seems excellent.

Man that 5th to 6th gear is unreal. No lag or build up what so ever. I want one

@anthonygonzalez9422

Жыл бұрын

6th gear is only available as an overdrive gear. They made it a power gear for this run to chase the #s.

@N-light-end-1

Ай бұрын

Was it me or do you hear grinds? I heard quite a few...

Owners of 2023 civic type-r found something is different in this video. This "record lap" civic run higher boost and 6th gear shorter than stock type-r.

The Type-R strikes again 😎

@fourtry

Жыл бұрын

I wait for renault to strikes...soon😅

@xraider927

26 күн бұрын

​@@fourtry Well, Renaultsport is now Alpine.

what a beast ! both driver and Cars perform a brillant record !

Insane driving! I rarely ever watch full laps like this but this was pure driving perfection! Also side note, bravo on using a proper filming team to setup the cameras correctly. The motion blur and exposure was perfect, unlike most laps like this. That paired with the driving made this bliss to watch!

@B__L

Жыл бұрын

Perfection? He's an amazing driver but there's plenty of mistakes and overdriving here. Perfection's definitely not the right word.

@guidinjavier

Жыл бұрын

​@@B__L ok. Go you to drive and bet this Time and put the video in this link. Thanks

@B__L

Жыл бұрын

@@guidinjavier Did I say I could? I’m just saying it’s not perfection like the first comment said.

This car has different gearing than the stock is making more boost.

Despite the regular understeer it is impressive how composed the car is at the limit. No odd snaps as Tsuchiya says at the 9/10ths limit

Low key upset the driver didn't heel toe. That just shows how good the rev matching is. I guess you'd want to minimize mistakes for a record run. Amazing car, I'm glad Honda made it. I just wish I could afford it and get it straight from Honda instead of getting dealership markups.

@peterpabian

Жыл бұрын

The auto rev match must be perfect. His reasoning was "why make a mistake?".

@ch1kenmeister103

Жыл бұрын

Heel Toe comes more down to driver performance and less to car performance. This is marked as Lap Record for Honda Civic Type R, which is a car lol.

@kotarojujo2737

Жыл бұрын

Auto rev matching make you focused more for driving. Hence you can brake smoother

@marcelk7962

Жыл бұрын

Nah i think they're showcasing how good their rev-match system is. Professional drivers would rather turn it off, i bet he had to get used to driving with it on first because it's confusing.

@fcgodftw

Жыл бұрын

​@@marcelk7962 They aren't showcasing anything. AUTO rev matching these days is faster than what any driver can accomplish.

the most impressive is the clutch that managed to handle his foot steping on it the whole race..

Stunning Company. Stunning Car. Stunning People behind. 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝

Absolut toll gefahren!👍 Aber auch die Aufbereitung des Videos ist ein Traum! Die verschiedenen Kameraperspektiven sind der absolute Hammer! Dieses Video ist total tolln Habe soeben den Kanal abonniert! 👍😎🇦🇹

4:19 the reflex is just insane! What a driver! 😮

car and driver looked great on there, great job Honda, thanks for making such a great car.

@OldDogZeroTricks

Жыл бұрын

I hope you get an FL5 to follow on from your FK8 content. I'm guessing there are more cars and coffee in Florida?

@apolloandratti7922

Жыл бұрын

Gatosquad

Honda Claiming the record with a Modified Civic. It's like VW going to revo, tuning it and changing the gearbox, oil cooler etc and claiming the "PRODUCTION CAR RECORD" Shame Honda SHAME

@JDM_FD

Жыл бұрын

If you're not cheating you're not trying

@madrx2

Жыл бұрын

@@JDM_FD hahaha

@danisantos3255

Жыл бұрын

@@JDM_FD spotted the cheating Honda fanboy

His name is Néstor Girolami, 33 years old, Argentinian. WTCR/TCR Honda Pro Driver.

the cars fast for sure but the driver is on point in every apex. hitting all the lines, def in a zone!

Finally after almost a year waiting this Green Hell time attack lap... Kudoss FL5R🔥🔥

Thrilling video! Congratulations Honda! Thanks for sharing.

Now post the video without the g force screen obscuring the telemetry.

@jdproductions6147

Жыл бұрын

don't need to look at the screen to see what they are trying to hide, when its in 5th and 6th the boost is 1.70+ Bar vs the stock 1.26 bar.. so if that g-force screen wasn't there they would be ousted as cheats right away

This is amazing. Honda, I am so proud of you and your team. Thank you for always helping our dreams come true ♥️

@mattyp3119

Жыл бұрын

😵 might not be stock

@ocoet3575

Жыл бұрын

​@@mattyp3119 yep, more boost and shorter gears

@jimmyjt16

Жыл бұрын

Cheated

@bubbleman2002

Жыл бұрын

Does he know?

@kuvyoghmoobamelica6883

7 ай бұрын

FYI, when I saw this video when it first came out, I knew the car was highly modified.

🎉 Congratulations Honda! 🎉 Back on the Top Baby!

1,8 BAR ?????

Well. ‘cough cough’ That 5th and 6th gear seem different from “stock”

@user-fq2gp3ne9f

11 ай бұрын

Agreed, also wondering what tires they’re using

発表10日後にTypeR予約して納車待ちです。2024年の3月以降に納車予定です。 現在、受注停止中で買えるか買えないか分からなくなってしまいました。 自分ではこんな運転は絶対無理だけど、ニュル世界最速のFF車のオーナーになれるなんて夢みたいです。 年齢的に終いの車だと思います、大事にします。 ホンダさんありがとう‼️

He goes to full throttle so far before the apex. Amazing driving display. He seemed prepared to crash to get the best possible time.

brilliant lap and deeply impressive chassis. This car just made my list!

@Blas4ublasphemy

Жыл бұрын

Good luck getting one in this spec....

uhh why is 6th gear shorter than my mates civic type-r?

At 4:20....dear lord! Amazing driving!! Very well balanced car...amazing work by Honda. ;)

Aaah man I enjoyed every single minute and second of this. Thanks for sharing. My most favourite track to drive in Assetto Corsa in VR.

@x3mbr

Жыл бұрын

I wish we had more FWD roadcars in Assetto Corsa, love driving the ring in VR too

@virtualmotorheads

Жыл бұрын

@@x3mbr Agreed. We need more FWD cars. 👍🏻

Outstanding drive and great recovery at 4:18 👏👏

@Juan-ko8lt

Жыл бұрын

Bebu girolami driver

4:18 🫣 Great lap, lovely to see the car rotate even if at times it was pogoing I assume due to the higher grip on the rear tires.

Had a DC2R back in the day, hard to imagine how far the Type-R has gone.

Congrats! Amazing car, Amazing lap!!

😮 @ 4:18...my eyes were glued. I was scared for ya, but you stuck the landing like a boss. 👏 BRAVO

@lindokuhlemathope5236

2 ай бұрын

that was so close but he corrected it so well

Incredible driving!!! But can't help but suspect faul play here from Honda's side to try beat the Megane.

@niklaspetersen4936

Жыл бұрын

They have too resort to "cheating" to beat a renault from 2016 lol

昨年末から自分も乗っている。レベルは違うが、このドライビング感覚は理解できる。TYPE-R、最高！

I've shown this to a pro race driver who recently taught me how to drive my 2023 civic type R fast and he said this driver is a master at trail braking He uses trail braking to negate understeer and also delays going from brake to the gas by 10ths of a second to create a hint of oversteer. This then straightens the exit of the corner. this guy is a brilliant driver.

@Fastvoice

Жыл бұрын

Néstor Girolami.

@edjohnson9774

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@trebrettrebret79

Жыл бұрын

Why doesn`t he use leftfoot braking?

@TassieLorenzo

Жыл бұрын

@@trebrettrebret79 He has to clutch!

@user-qi8ib3gh5q

Жыл бұрын

@@TassieLorenzo there are plenty of corners without downshifting. You can watch Misha Charoudin who uses leftfoot braking when he drives manual youtube.com/@mgcharoudin

When the driver overcooked a corner, the car understeers. But he can still manage to have more input, the car turns into apex right away. Thats the Type R tradition! Super forgiving!

What about the claims of increased boost and amended gear ratio?

the gearing seems just on point! love the 5th and 6th ratios

@ThunderGoatz

Жыл бұрын

Because its not factory gearing. It has a at the very least a much shorter 6th than factory cars

@SamBakingTray

Жыл бұрын

@@ThunderGoatz also been proved they were running higher boost in 5th and 6th compared to other factory civic type rs that have been round the track peaking at about 21psi whereas here they are hitting 27psi in 5th

@jimmyjt16

Жыл бұрын

That is because Honda cheated and needed to fit shorter gearing and also remap the ECU to take the record

@gt-rgaming9452

Жыл бұрын

​@JmyT16 not only Honda do that, but it's true

@uraniumcranium2613

Жыл бұрын

@@gt-rgaming9452 People said the SVJ cheated but provided no proof because there was none. Honda here on the other hand.....

Amazing lap🎉👏🙌!

the way he slides the rear into turn one is glorious

This car seems glued to the road!

Can't wait to buy my civic type-r with a shorter 6th gear and higher boost from factory

@nathangriffin2027

Жыл бұрын

And no air conditioning. and no infotainment.

Can't get over how bro is riding on the clutch the whole time.

@glincolnracing1622

Жыл бұрын

OMG I’ve been so curious abt the whole clutch riding situation but doesn’t seem like anyone else noticed

@kleanish

Жыл бұрын

@@glincolnracing1622 had to f-search the comments. riding and then also gradual press to change gears. why?

I am sure Soichiro is so proud for your hard work guys...what a car 🤯 bravo HONDA 👏

Honda's masterpiece

As a Megane Trophy owner, that is damn impressive. nothing was left on the table.

@B__L

Жыл бұрын

Multiple times in the wrong gear and a few big mistakes from overdriving. There was definitely more time left.

@LuizHartkopf

Жыл бұрын

@@B__L not really, those times where he could've taken the corners on 3rd gear instead of 4th would prob just make him lose more time shifting again. he was never really in low RPM range

@B__L

Жыл бұрын

@@LuizHartkopf There's multple times when he was in too low of a gear and wasted time shifting. Not to mention the big mistakes at klostertal and the karrousel

@SeBoSTV

Жыл бұрын

@@B__L Jump in the car and do better then mate

@B__L

Жыл бұрын

@@SeBoSTV When did I say I could do better?

The fact that at 4:20 the steering wheel was a half turn left, and the driver was able to correct in a millisecond to correct the vehicle from going into the barrier is just insane 🤯

@CheaperEngineer

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Why was so much correction needed here? Car walks onto the curbing, then he catches a yaw in the opposite direction by steering *toward* the curbing. Anyone have a good explanation?

@rbptheprettiest

Жыл бұрын

@@CheaperEngineer Grass

@hyderoxxx

Жыл бұрын

@@CheaperEngineer That curbing was added just recently because there were many crashes on that spot (going wide on the grass). I think he was prepared to touch the grass, which would have rotated the car to the right, hence the aggressive left countersteering

WOW Brilliant vid and big congratulations to Honda on the record, gotta watch that a few times...

I need a 10 hour loop of this to sleep So relaxing

I am not only impressed by the car but the foot work alone it beautiful. It absolutely fascinates my how the human brain can process so much at one time.

Keep pushing, go Honda

Well done my great-great great grandson from a old type R owner. Great driving great handling car, I'm proud of you 👏

Машина и гонщик достойны уважения. Браво Хонда!

Amazing driving - now I have no excuses to not be first on track day haha

La macchina c'è!!! Sì vede dalle reazioni, dalla solidità del telaio e dalla progressione del propulsore ma bisogna fare i complimenti al pilota...davvero bravo... L' esame del Nürburgring l' hanno superato a pieni voti entrambi 🔥🔥🔥🏁🏁🏁👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

I can’t believe he was standing the whole time!! Standing on either the brakes or the gas that is!!! At and somewhat beyond the envelope at all times!! Fantastic!

That's some Amazing driving there. I've would've been in the walls. 😅Congratulations!!!!

why does it have more boost and different gear ratios than the production car?

Pilotagem no limite, demonstrando a capacidade do piloto e carro. Salvou bonito em 4:11 , parabéns HONDA! Driving on the limit, demonstrating the ability of the driver and the car. Saved beautiful in 4:11, congratulations HONDA!

Really short gear ratio from 5th to 6th gear… at 1:14 gear indicator lights are already lit? Shorter gear ratio I see. Don’t think it’s a stock Honda type R, I’ve watched other videos of the Honda on auto barn and other race tracks and the Honda seems to have longer gear ratios from 5th to 6th. Impressively good driving though.

Wow 😮 epic run.

Congratulations 🇯🇵. Proud FL5 owner here.

@g0d182

Жыл бұрын

seems fk8 driver for 2017 record did not use auto-rev match, but fl5 driver used auto-rev match

This guy knows how to handle a car that’s for sure, he really pushed the type R to its limits in this lap.

Brother did a good 1st turn. Made big difference. Honda very food job on the gear ratio. Always in the torque range. Especially the 4th gear very good

I can't even believe who decided that it was ok to cheat with this record and show the dashboard for proof at the same time lmao