Do your tests blindfolded with no information on what bow is being shot. You will see a difference in the results! Different things will stand out that you didn’t see or feel. I do agree with the top 3 bows.

@tonyviers-de9qi

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!! Noone is doing this. And I believe if you know what bow you are shooting, you cannot completely overcome your bias . Impossible

@jacobconti6511

Жыл бұрын

Kinda hard to shoot blindfolded

@tonyviers-de9qi

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobconti6511 shooting for feel and sound,not accuracy . Youve never shot with your eyes closed?

@usbsol

11 ай бұрын

This is a good idea 👍

@binskihops

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely, hated the Mathews grip before even shooting it. I shot the v3x yesterday and loved the grip

Add let down in the test. When in a hunting situation, being able to smoothly let down is important. Great job guys.

I'm glad your cameraman didn't rush the walk thru on the intro.

Things to see- your real tested arrow speeds in the #'s; definitely relevant for hunting bows. Also consider doing something like this for your long draw and short draw flagships?? Freaking love this channel!

Awesome video! Always nice to hear everyone's different opinions on bows!

Nice video. I did the same thing at my local shop 3 days ago. And it was your videos that guided me on how to make the buying decision, so thank you. I also went with Bowtech, but got the Carbon One. Liam, you have to try it. Very similar to the CP 30, but with an even smoother draw.

Good to see some honest reviews finally from a stockist. Thanks for the info 8.5 out of 10. You could have given us a better break down of what the bows were before shooting, just to give you guys some feed back.. also would be good to see numbers after stabilisers etc were added to see what comes out on top after a fitout. Anyway keep up the good work your getting a sub out of me right now. Thanks again!

Great video guys thank you. I’ve been shooting BowTech my whole life. I keep trying other bows, but I keep ending up back with BowTech.

Awesome great vid really liked it an you guys didn’t have to but helped me make a concrete choice on my next bow cp30 thanks Ben really reviewing an researching should have just watched this lol thanks

I would to see you do a versus with the carbon bows. Also, maybe show some speed differences? Love the channel!

I love the process. I will do this on my next purchase!

loved this. I'm getting ready to do the same thing once my local shop gets the mathews v3x back in stock, definitely will be swapping out the grip to a beereal grip if I end up choosing it.

I really like this way of choosing a bow. I did this with my last bow purchase a couple mouths so. The shop I went to really liked the idea as well. It sounded like they were going to come up with their own version going forward.

MFJJ, I think you should do a "Pro-Am" Edge Challenge! Pick 2 other shooters, each get an Diamond Edge and $300 for a release, arrows, and any "upgrades" (receipts shown (costs not including taxes)). Each shooter gets a week to practice. Winner is chosen by highest points: 1 point for every dollar not spent 20 arrow 5 spot total score 3d course total score Pop a balloon at 100 on the elk, 1 point deducted for every arrow needed to pop (10 arrow mercy rule?)

Great Job full of great Thank you Josh

Went with what his boss is shooting 🤔. Shoot them blind folded for an unbiased opinion. I enjoy your channel, keep it up!

I'm fine with the Omnia finishing 4th, it's not for everyone. But objectively, you did it dirty with that 6 for special features. Okay, no integration, but standard interfaces. But the 1/4" DL adjustment and the micro letoff adjustment (you can get new gears from elite if they rattle, but even removing it still makes it infinitely adjustable) surely make it a step up over the PSE. I mean, DL and Letoff make it easier to get it to shoot well for you. How you have to mount the sight you want is secondary.

@UltraLimitedHD

8 ай бұрын

Well said...

I was hoping you would be in on the test Josh. Good video still. I would like to see you and maybe 2-3 guys from your shop do the ultimate show down of bows and include the carbon bow offerings.

I completely agree on the Mathews grip. I will always shoot them but i will never keep stock grips on them!

Feels like the Omnia got shorted a little. Everyone feels a bit differently though. I shot the BT, Elite, Hoyt, and Prime side by side and felt that the Elite edged them out. The grip, balance, and vibration won me over. The draw cycle can be taxing after shooting a few rounds....but its not horrible.

watching you cycle the bows the BowTech looked the smoothest, even the Mathews looked jumpy in the back, Nice video

I would also consider customer service. It took 5-6 weeks to get my brand new bow repaired waiting on a new cam due to a defective cam. That is what swayed me as Mathew’s service was a few days

Awesome video I would like to see a video of the different grip options for the Mathews. Nothing stupid about the chart I really like how you do this as it makes the bow pick you if you keep a open mind.

Next time I buy a new bow I'm going to do the one arrow thing like y'all did and drive all over to shoot as many brands as I can. Cool video as always man!

Another good video Josh! Thanks

Good job guys, I know you're time limited and you covered a lot. My only suggestion would be to have two shooters and see if there's a consensus at the end.

Would love to see some " solid limb " bows evaluated. Athens, APA, ect... very curious to hear your thoughts on these type bows also! Love the show!

Very thorough test. 👍👍👍

Kinda funny how your tunability and special features kinda go hand in hand (I know it included other features). For me tunability is worth like double so I like it haha. Great video guys!

great video as always.. could you do a video or add to a upcoming video some information on what you would use for a "Portable Bow Press"? I do all the work on my friends bows so when in the woods for hunting I of course need to work on them if need be. But with the now passed parallel limbs my current portable option for pressing a bow while in the woods wont work so i need to get something that will....What would be the press options you would suggest for this? thank you... Don

All of the quantitative measurements aside (dB, FPS, weight, etc.) putting a numerical value to the qualitative aspects of a bow (in the hand feel, shoot-ability, balance, draw cycle, back wall, etc.) is a great way to make a decision based on personal preference. One suggestion would be to weight each element... for me fit and finish would be a low weight while tunability and balance would carry a higher weight and would have greater influence on the final decision.

@cjr4497

Жыл бұрын

These point blank bare bow test are pointless. This didn't tell us anything about how well the bows would shoot for the guy. I agree with weighting the elements. I would put vibration and extra features very low. No one shoots without stabilizers and picatinny rails or built in dove tails have nothing to do with shootability.

@nevadapoole6180

Жыл бұрын

Tbh all this video is this guy telling you his personal preference for feel of a bow 😂

@nevadapoole6180

Жыл бұрын

​@@cjr4497 having the built in dovetail makes for easier tuning though just to point that out, not important to some important to others, the bottom line there's so many bows out there that perform well it just comes down to what the individual values and wants from their bow.

bows are as important to the individual as prescription glasses, what works for one doesn't for everyone. Great method of narrowing it down.

Definitely liked how you brought in someone else to test. Just like when you were assisting that girl to pick a bow and when you help Tim 2 years ago.

Excellent video. Please add the results and perhaps links to the bows in the video description.

Cool vid. Interesting test. Maybe the amount of noticeable torque at full-draw would be a good category for next time.

It would be great to see a best carbon bow and a best metal bow.

And the best bow is for me still The 2018 Mathew’s TRIAX I’ve shot the V3X son owns one and the Phase4 Love the phase 4 just can’t bring myself to part with the cash for one lol Thanks for the video as always

How do you set the nock height and rest height for each bow? Should add a 20yd shot in the test! Thanks for everything you guys put out!

@brianclark785

Жыл бұрын

20 yard test needs to have sights so they don’t miss the target. Short shooting like this allows to focus on the feel for the bow and not focus on aiming.

I would have liked the fps baseline from your original testing and one chrono shot at his draw length and poundage.

The best 29-32” bow for 2023 is the 2017 Mathews Halon 32-7.

@colecathcart8572

Жыл бұрын

I just got a 32 6 and I love it

@drewolm

Жыл бұрын

@@colecathcart8572 Comparing performance from todays bows to those bows, the Halon series often out performs. Mathews really hit on something there.

@colecathcart8572

Жыл бұрын

@@drewolm I upgrade to the halon from my bear cruzer g2 and it actually blew me away on how much better a bow can get. The bear was my first bow so I had no base to go off of when buying it.

@TheManic.5-OH

9 ай бұрын

I'll take the HALONS younger brother, my VXR 28 @ 75# DW and 29.5DL for whitetail hunting. Yes, my string angle is aggressive. Aggressive AF, BUT it hits so.friggin.hard! And it is dead nuts accurate at 60 yards. Softball groups. My V3 31 @60# is what I'm shooting for target, I'd probably take the halon over that tbh. They messed things up putting the cable roller right at center shot. Dogsh1t vane clearance.

Love the channel and content. Can we be sure he is 100% non-bias considering those are your top two bows you preach in almost every video? Again, love the videos. Maybe blindfolded with no bow info. See what results that creates?

Great video guys

great review as always

That was so informative i watched the hall thing and i am very happy of the results i wish there are more videos like this. The only thing i would complain about is i wished you had started with more selection like 20 for example because there are so many good bows out there i know its impossible to grab all of them but at least if you had covered more selection it would have been no doubt the best comparing video out there. I am not demanding anything i am happy enough even though i had a feeling which one the winner would be but i am new to this game the more infos i can collect the better choice i can make. I am not rich so i can not afford one of each i may be able to get 2 to 4 bows different types and kinds but that would be the most i am willing to pay for this type of sport collection. I would defiantly get something that is decent in price, solid built, powerful and accurate, adjustable and long lasting. I know i am asking for too much but i am also paying hard earned money for for it as well its not an every day exchange thing who has the money to keep buying this stuff everyday anyways. Thanks again for the video if you guys have a plan to do another video similar to this one but with more added selections let me know i would be more happy to watch it and learn more out of it that's for sure.

Great vid very informative

He is so lucky to get to try those bows! 🤯 that ain't happening here in quebec Canada! Had a chance to pull a ss34 that had a d-loop tied in. Was it a surprise. 💁‍♂️😉🎯👌👍👊

I have a VTM 31 and it has a smooth draw cycle, quiet and dead in the hand. Had to shim it to get a perfect bullet hole. That is kind of a pain for the proshop. I shot the mathews phase 4 and the bowtech CP30 also. Phase 4 was nice but not as nice as the hoyt. The bowtech fit me like a glove. It had a little more vibration but not much. Held steady on target and the gear type tuning system is the easiest and best out there.. CP30is a good choice.

This is obviously one person's opinion. Everybody will rate all the bows differently depending on their preferences. Go to your local shop, shoot as many bows as possible & pick what is right for you.

I knew as soon as there was a Bowtech in there you would push it on him as your a tech homer. He’s trying to answer your questions on and you pretty much tell him it’s this or that. I would also say that the elite has more features than all those bows minus the pic rails. Bowtech would be close with the elite in tunabilty.

Great video!

I'd love it if you could graph the draw cycle. That would let you show how the bow draws

I find it so interesting listening to everyone's different opinions on bows. I guess that's why all these companies stay in business. If we all liked the same thing there would only be one.

Looks like he had fun. Love it.

Love my phase 4. And the hate was obvious with a 1 point score on the grip, but it’s still your #2 bow. Love it

That's great! Last year when I was shopping for new bow I shot bowtech and mathews. Shot bowtech since early 2000s when the patriot came out. Both great bows but I stuck with my bowtech for same reason. I didn't like how the mathews felt in my hand.

love this type of video

Looked fun thing to do. 1.Value 2.Weight 3.Balance 4.Torque/stability..(wiggle at fulldraw) 5.Tunability (must press or have to buy more stuff to tune and is it micro tunable) 6.Adjustability (ease of adjustment, speed of adjustment and do you have to buy stuff just to adjust) 7.Fit and finish 8.Comfort 9.Vibration/shock 10.String angle 11.Options availability 12.Sound 13.draw

Last bow I thought he’d pick… shot all those bows, my choice was the phase 4. Everyone is different, I took off the grip and put on tennis grip. Jus preference 🤙🏽🤙🏽

Great test!!!

If you had him blind folded I wonder if the result would been completely different 🤔👍👍👍👍

I bought a cp30 for many of the same reasons. Performance and feel with all flags is nearly equal. For me it came down to being able to tinker without a bow press.

@FIVE6-qk6pc

Жыл бұрын

Yep that's why I've been shooting bowtech exclusively for the past few years and don't plan on changing until Matthews or Hoyt come out with something similar. I tried the elite omnia this year I don't like set technology the bow had lots of cam lean and draw mods kept coming loose along with the brass set washers rattled

I put the side plates on my vxr and loved it after that

Great job

Great video/review. I like how you picked and eliminated the selection. I hear nobody likes the mathews grip. I'm curious as to how much a aftermarket grip would cost?

Lancaster Archery had me do the same with the shoot off. Ended up with the same last two choices. Bowtech SS34 won out. Although after shooting it for 2 weeks getting a hot spot in web of grip hand. Need to see a coach to determine if it just poor technique since I have been away from archery for about 30 years.

The Hoyt was 51,, kool video,,,would be interesting to see this again but with longer axel to axel bows with his draw length,,like for the Hoyt 34 he would be almost at the top of the cam instead of almost at the bottom with the 31🤙

The prime had zero vibration so I’m going to give it a 6 ???

@the_sharp_carpenter

Жыл бұрын

They also have arguably the nicest finishes in the business, adjustable flex guard, Sherpa mounts top and bottom and thread stud mounts for multiple ways to run stabilizing and quiver

Lots of good bows to choose from

I was between the Hoyt and bowtech, felt like the Hoyt just felt like a Cadillac compared while shooting. Solid, smooth, durable but hey we are all different

Good video!

Review was the best, in my opinion, the only way to elevate it is maybe a straight up 450 grn shaft through a chrono.

can you do a review on the PSE Pro Shootdown in both SE2 and S2 Cams?

Nothing against any of these bows I have shot almost all of them minus the fortis, but the new athens elevate took the win! Amazing bow doesn’t have the features of the bowtech or elite for adjustment but next year could be interesting from athens.

I wonder if he actually is gonna use the Bowtech over the Mathew’s since there is so many options out there for custom grips on the Mathew’s since his decision pretty much came down to the grip.

I agree with Dre_Sted I have the Halon and the V3X imho the the halon shoots better than the V3X , i really like the way you tell people to shoot different bows to see what fits them best . MFJJ keep up the great videos

Looks like the E2 cam on that PSE Fortis. It's worth mentioning that the EC2 cam would be a lot smoother.

I love it, that’s the way to choose a bow.

I shot every single bow on this list and the Omnia and the Revex were the best imo. I’ve been a Mathews homer for years and have a Revex now. Omnia was my 2nd choice.

I still have my V3X 29 but the Bowtech is very interesting

Would love to see a video testing out an APA mamba bow

I did this same exact type of process when picking a new bow this year. It came down to my top 3 being a VTM34, Phase 4 33, and SS34. And I’m currently rocking an SS34. Can’t go wrong with any of the flagship bows, but bowtech is on fire this year

I feel like there's some bias here in favor of big brand names lol. The omnia is a much better bow than people are giving it credit for. I can tell you right now the 5 for vibration is not even remotely true. It's one of the deadest bows on the market right now. I shot most of these bows when I bought my omnia and the phase 4 was the only one that I liked as much as the omnia. I went with the omnia because the phase 4 didn't come in a size that felt right for me. Love your channel by the way and I learn a lot from you but I just think this was more of a popularity contest lol.

@fastcamo

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I think he wasn’t honest with himself.

I wonder, how do the Oneida bows hold up to these? I've been a fan of the style and like that is looks like a cross between, or a hybrid of, a compound and a recurve bow. I understand that they are longer, but do not know much more than that. I am a beginner, and looking to upgrade from a cheaper takedown recurve.

I’d drop the draw cycle and special features category, especially the special features one and replace them with speed.

@madwe2269

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. "Oh no it had a little vibration and didn't draw as smooth" is the top critique I see in modern archery. No one talks about how fast it is with a range of hunting arrows, or how well it holds on target. Except inside out precision, figures it takes someone who used to work at the bow rack to know what it takes to have a good hunting bow

I felt the same between my bowtech sr350 and the mathews . Loved everything about both except the mathews grip feels like a 30$ walmart kids bow lol

He knew before he started he liked the bowtech 🤣

Was that Bowtech and Elite on the comfort or performance mod? That will change the draw cycle feels as well has virabtion/shock

Would like to know your opinion on the bear legend xr

Bowtech is usually the bow everyone starts with and stick with 😊 I still have my 2015 Bowtech Carbon Icon 🤙🏽

@madwe2269

Жыл бұрын

Bowtech has been putting out some good looking stuff. Nothing that screams to me for a hunting bow(I prefer 33-36 ata and a 480-500gr at 280+ 70/29.5), but man some of their old limb issues still keep me a little jittery around them. I'm sure it's been resolved for a few years now but I had some rough experiences before

I’m 6’4 and Iv been really looking at the ss34 had or the revolt XL what’s your input on them two bows ?

Howdy Josh. I have a 2022 PSE Drive NXT with the ZF cam. I REALLY want to put 80lbs limbs onto it, or switch the cam. Are you able to make that a reality?

I have 3 mathews bows so I’m a supporter. However, don’t understand why they spend so much R&D on fancy stuff and not on a far more important and basic element like the grip. That’s the first thing I change on every mathews bow and I feel I’m in the majority.

@myronriggs9613

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. If matthews would work on two things I would definitely get one. First is the grip and second is tunability

@bryce8174

Жыл бұрын

What grip did you get

@SeanDiego

10 ай бұрын

What grip

@SeanDiego

10 ай бұрын

???

Think maybe final 2 should get shot at some targets see which is more accurate. Other than that good test.

What are your thoughts about Obsession Bows?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the Prime Revex is widely acclaimed for being absolutely dead in the hand, and having the best fit and finish in the industry, hands down. Some of those bow ratings overall really puzzled me, but if he found what he likes, then that's what matters most.

@tinfoilsombrero1439

Жыл бұрын

This is like Mathews guys slamming away on their keyboards, telling other bow users that if they don’t use a Mathews, they should be put to death for their ignorance. Then ask said Mathews guy how many animals he shot last year and he goes radio silent. Opinion is just that.

@nevadapoole6180

Жыл бұрын

Prime dead in the hand yes! But for fit and finish idk where you pulled that out of😂😂😂

@bow4u756

Жыл бұрын

That is absolutely true!!!

@daddski1

9 ай бұрын

@@tinfoilsombrero1439 Really? I''m a relatively new Mathews guy,(last two seasons) bought the v3 and then v3x 33. Animals last year 9 out of 9 attempts. How bout you? This v3x 33 is an awesome bow. And I also have a beautiful carbon Hoyt, it too is a great bow. I have mainly used Bear however, had been for 40 years. Before getting the V3 I never saw the need or want to spend that much money on a bow when a Bear for half or less of the cost always filled my freezer nicely. Your claim that Mathews sux just shows you are a fanboy of a different brand and many using yours... also no deer or animals last year. For me 3 deer, an elk, turkey x 2 and three pigs. I did try the Prime and have several times in the past years. I just have no dealership close enough to handle issues so they lose. Nice bow but you claiming it beats Mathews in anything is just smoke and mirrors friend. I am NOT one to say use this brand or you suck.... Every brand out there these days make a usable system. Even Chinese on Amazon will sell you a 200 dollar bow that will take a deer. So stop your insanity and just get what you can afford folks and be happy. Saying a mfg like Mathews means you cannot take a deer or other animal is just stupid. These guys do not stay on top for generations because they make bad stuff.grow up and knock off the stupid stuff.

Good video guys… idk about the vibration levels you gave the phase 4 and the vtm.. I have both and a RX7. they all shoot great and accurate. I’ve been shooting the phase 4 a month straight trying to like it as much as the others.. the vibration is what I’m not liking. It’s not as dead as the Hoyt’s.. I got all 3 because I’m new to archery and couldn’t decide.. the Mathew’s phase 4 is growing on me but as soon as I pick up the VTM or RX7.. it makes me realize.. the Phase4 it isn’t no Hoyt. These Hoyt’s have ZERO vibration and really are dead in the hand. But they’re all great bows and I can shoot them all just as good. How ever I do like my Mathew’s grip more only because I added the UV Bee Real 2.0

The ultra view on my v3x29 made this bow a completely different animal

I am pretty sure the omnia got shorted. Set technology, 1/4 draw length adjustable, infinite holding weight adjustable. Back wall that can be tailered with cable or limb stops. Elite usually has the best fit and finish in the business. That being said I shoot a 2017 BowTech BT mag so what do I know.

Would love to see a full review of the obsession hb33

Just curious what thumb release he's using during the test. Looking for a new one