I would love to see the toy hauler towed with the new 7.3 V8.

@nickzalan4762

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a nice pairing!

i much apreciate that you cover the weight capaicty and gvws of the truck and trailer. you are the only one i have seen that does this. i have learned more about safe towing from your chanel than any where else. thanks.

@SurelyYewJest

4 жыл бұрын

Yep! TFL Truck is a great place to pick up some safe trailering know-how too.

That’s honestly a really nice pick up and travel trailer combination

Just up the road from me ... I started towing with my F150 and on the 1st trip realized that despite what it's spec'd at and the marketing around it, the new Ram 2500 in my driveway tows a hell of a lot better. Towing a 30' 7700lb travel trailer.

Thank you for these videos. For a newbie to big trucks and rvs in general your videos have been very educational.

I towed a 39’ 2019 Work And Play 30QBS with my 2015 F250 Powerstroke with a Pro Pride 3P hitch. It needed 600 lbs of plate steel in the front cargo compartment to offset the weight of my RZR in the garage. Ultimately ended up going with a F350 DRW to eliminate the sway. 3/4 tons are great but toy haulers that large are a challenge in any wind at all.

I observed as you were turning from an intersection to descend the hill with the exhaust brake that it appears whom ever created the route did a good job. The reason for my comment was that starting a descent slowly and easing up to a controlled speed with the exhaust brake managing the rpm and keeping the rig held back is the correct and proper way to descend a grade while loaded, even an ascent up a grade and cresting the top while slowing down to descend the other side to manage speed without over rpm’ing your engine and riding the brakes is very important. Your explanations and comments are very accurate and informative especially on this video.

I’ve towed my travel trailer up and down that grade a bunch of times. Tow/ haul mode and the automatic exhaust brake work flawlessly together.

We started with the twin to the torque with a 1500 Silverado. Got it home white knuckles. Upgrade to 17 f250. It pulled it ok. Put with two Harley’s in the garage it had a tendency to sway and in a cross wind you just had to pull over. Have since moved on to highlander toy hauler 5th wheel. Now looking to upgrade to 450 in the next couple months. Your videos have been awesome helping with some of our choices. Thanks.

@lawrencewiddis2447

4 жыл бұрын

Research could have eliminated buy, sell, buy etc. The basics are readily available.

@stacyreid5077

4 жыл бұрын

My dad always told me and my brother that you can really never have to big of a truck ( speaking of regular type not 18 wheelers ) but you can have to smaller or light duty of a truck. As in if you tow a car trailer once or twice a year a half ton is probably ok but a 3/4 ton better and pulling a toyhauler 3/4 ton is good but a dually is best

Thank you for sharing cargo and GVWR sticker info! It blows my minds how many people “review” HD trucks without every mentioning this important info!

Yes They All Look Very Great To Me & Yes I Would Love One Of Them Please

@timbowhite3159

4 жыл бұрын

Have A Great Afternoon To All Of The RVers Of The World

That's what I pull. Torque T32 38' toy hauler W/2018 F250. Pulls great with Over Drive & Exhaust Brakes on. I haul it with a golf cart in garage.

I know that hill very well. It’s a favorite run for our Corvette club.

100% agree with half ton truck. Crosswinds are something else with long bumper pull trailers. Also, love to call people out when they're pulling a 10k trailer and say can hardly tell its back there. Bravado will just get people in trouble when towing.

There are "1/2" Ton trucks out there that are quite heavy... That first trailer towed doesn't require a 3/4 or 1 Ton. But, if it gives you peace of mind... to each his own. That 6.7 is ridiculously nice.

I never really liked the look of the F Series compared to the RAM or old Chevy/GMC HDs but Ford have made some lovely subtle styling tweeks to their new HDs and I must admit I do like the idea of an F350 XLT 7.3L in denim blue with cream leather.

Another great vedio. My tt is just over 9000 lbs, high profile, wide body and you you have tottaly convinced me to get a 3/4 ton truck. Since it will be my daily commute, a gas engine will be fine with me.

Good video!! My setup, almost exactly, my trailer is a 37’ Puma 32RKTS. My 2019 F250 6.7 Power stroke is very capable.

You should add that this specific F250 has the heavy tow package, which is why its GVWR was 10,800lbs. It adds the axle and rear leaf spring pack from the 350. This truck without the HDTP would have a GVWR of 10,000lbs and a payload cap of around 2000lbs. It is very nice to have this option on the F250 but for the same money as this package cost you can move to the 350. Thank you for these videos though as they are extremely helpful for those of us that are in the market for a new truck!

This really helped me. I just purchased a 30 ft toy hauler bumper pull and I have a 2019 f250 6.2 lariat. Gross trailer weight is only 10k so I'm golden I believe.

@seleblanc1986

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Elevator Guy, how’s your set up working after a year? I’ve got a 29’ Forest River towing with a ‘20 F250 6.2 and we’ve had some sway concerns.

@elev8torguy130

3 жыл бұрын

@@seleblanc1986 Hey brother, that set up worked great for me. I had a curt 1500lb wdh that I set up pretty perfectly. No sway what so ever. I now have a 2020 f350 lariat sport with a carbon 348 fifth wheel toy hauler.

@elev8torguy130

3 жыл бұрын

@@seleblanc1986 what type of hitch do you have?

Towing capacity was very impressive. I wonder though how many people will think that it's appropriate for bigger trailers.

Good Evening To All Of The RVers

That black series is sweet, that is wha Keep your daydream should have got for the new season.

You may be able to move that trailer with a half-ton but you still need to be able to stop it. If I'm pulling over 7,000 pounds, I'm going 3/4-ton without a doubt. Confidence in my equipment is paramount.

@westtrumpet7

3 жыл бұрын

i totally agree with you!

If possible, can you do a review of the Ford 7.3l 250 towing 10000k travel trailer. I am curious to hear your thoughts on that truck towing a 38', 10000k trailer. I know that is rather specific but I think it checks of boxes that the weekend warrior like myself would get.

4:32 Hello!

We don’t always see eye to eye on what a half ton is capable of but I totally agree with you, that trailer is way too big for a half ton. Our current rig weighs around 7200 lbs at about 32’ and I really wouldn’t want to go much heavier and def not any longer.

No one with half a brain would try to tow the Torque with an F150. If I'm not mistaken they come with one or two fuel tanks at the rear. One for the generator and one for the toys. (30 Gallons) Don't forget the weight of the fuel in Your calculations. I really liked this video. Very informative.

@paulrodrigues9603

4 жыл бұрын

@SheepDog Then what? How did it go?

We towed a 34' Terry bumper pull that weighed about 14,000 pounds after installing REAL hardwood in the whole camper with a 2013 SIlverado 2500HD 6.0 gas. Towed it surprisingly very well. Going up mountains wasn't the best, but it still wasn't worth going to a diesel. Have a 2016 2500HD 6.0 now and tow a Rockwood 5th wheel ultralight that weighs about 10,000 now. Tows much better, of course its a completely different setup.

@Billy28376

4 жыл бұрын

I hate when people think they need a diesel to pull stuff. I pulled 12k with my ram 2500 and hemi. No problem. 5.7 hemi too. Pulled the same travel trailer with my k2500 suburban. It had a 350 vortec. No problem. Newer diesels are just prone to expensive repairs. My father in law had a 6.0 superduty that thing never towed anything and was always in the shop.

2 things... 1- this is the TT I'm currently considering purchasing, specifically the T322 model. Hope you can do a review of it. And very good to see it being towed by only a 2500 series even though I have a 3500. 2- Ford is really making me consider trading in my Ram for theres. Events like these which allow people to actually test their trucks with real loads show how much they back them.

@ALMX5DP

4 жыл бұрын

Didnt BTBRV cover Ram's towing event about a year ago where they did the same thing?

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

Yep :)

@billbolick5377

4 жыл бұрын

Evan, I have a 2018 torque T322 that I purchased new two years ago. It's a decent trailer that I have not had any issues with it. Just like any other trailer there is give and take. Master bedroom is a bit small, but the second half bath is worth every penny when you have 3 boys. Two years ago when I purchased the trailer I had a 2013 F250 4x4 short bed. It pulled the trailer well without any issues. I have since upgraded truck to a 2018 F450 4x4 and I can honestly say the difference is night and day. The 450 is probably way more truck than you need but its always better to have too much than not enough.

@evanbland4011

4 жыл бұрын

@@ALMX5DP I recently started watch BTBRV videos, I'll go through and look for that video 👍🏼

@evanbland4011

4 жыл бұрын

@@billbolick5377 thank you for your information on it. I have 5 kids and a second restroom is a necessity. My current fiver is a '13 Palomino Sabre with rear bunks. It fine but 2nd bath, garage, and a bumper pull is what I'm looking for. When towing with the srw, did you have a sway hitch? Thanks

Sounds like the 10spd really benefits the exhaust brake. Wish i would have waited but i love my 19 platinum....maybe in another 2 years.

I pull my 20’ Bennington pontoon behind my 2012 Sierra 1500 5.3 and with a cab full of people adding probably 1,000 lbs to the load, she ain’t very happy. It has plenty of power, but it’s constantly downshifting. Kinda want to upgrade, but dang them diesels are high!

I thought I was the only one towing a large 32’ overall travel trailer with an F250 using a Reese HP trunnion style hitch with no sway control. The only time I feel it is when a line of trucks pass on the interstate. Or an occasional box truck. Nothing scary though.

How did you enjoy Arizona weather, clear beautiful skies.

We heard you the first time you , said don't tow with a half ton truck... Dewly noted . Tounge master. Lol

Thanks for the review

You never point out the manual rear diff locker on Fords and Tundras. We like the auto locking diffs on our GMCs here in the Southwest. Also the auto 4WD on GMs.

@grisa12345

4 жыл бұрын

Dive Bar Casanova Tundras don’t have a locker in any configuration. Also, the G80 in GM’s is not the same as the electronic rear locker ford and FCA run.

DRW is the way to go, the 10 spd transmission is a great set up for these type of weights. This truck can tow it, but doesn’t mean you should. Most people don’t even know how to calculate how much weight they can tow or that there is a way you should calculate what your towing weight wise. Most guys just buy a truck and figure they can tow whatever they an put on a hollow Reese hitch 😂. What were the RPMs when using the exhaust brake auto mode?

I am still using my 06 F250, since it only has 80k miles on it and has a ton of mods. My current trailer is a Attitude 27cbg and I am considering getting a new Attitude 3322sag. I can't decide between a 2020 F350 Tremor or just going straight to the F450.

Please Please Please show us the Black Series HQ19 being towed by the F-350 Tremor!!! Thank you for this series of videos.

20k conventional!!! Holy cow!! I loved pulling with my Titan XD Cummins but I was always maxed on numbers so I went with a Chevy 2500 gaser so I didn’t have to worry about cargo capacity, tongue weight and GCWR of the truckas much. I’ve got a Reflection travel trailer with GVWR of 10,500 that I don’t tow long distances so having the gas engine doesn’t bother me much.

JD, why is the conventional / bumper pull rating higher than the 5th wheel/goosneck tow rating? I would have thought that a truck would be able to pull a 5th wheel/ goose much easier than a bumper-pull because of where the weight is placed ( pin weight vs. tongue weight).

@ALMX5DP

4 жыл бұрын

TRACEY LEE from the looks of this, fifth wheel has a higher rating. www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyPU_Oct15.pdf

Have you ever thought about doing a comparison on showing the difference in sizes of brakes on the front and rear axles of the 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton vs 1 ton vs a dually truck

that's a big toy hauler. my 10500# bumper pull needed at least a SRW but DRW was a better choice when the wind picks up. at 12% of that on the bumper and payload becomes an issue really fast.

i have a 18' eco boost and considering purchasing a 25 ft bunkhouse TT empty it weights around 5200 pounds and i'm sure 6000 pounds loaded up. i know my ecoboost can obviously tow that, but my family and i want to do a national park tour in the summers and was wondering if the 2500/250 series of trucks would be better specifically going up steeper grades.

Great video BTBRV

Max tow !!!!

That guy passed you on a double yellow. 👍

@fredconrath4606

4 жыл бұрын

Philip haha! I bet the residents living at the top of that pass, in Yarnell, are fed up with all those super duties pulling trailers on their commuter road.

@brianm1916

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to Arizona lol

When are yall going to do this show with the 2023 models?

I find it interesting that it is rated to tow MORE conventional towing than 5th wheel / goose neck. Usually its the other way around, more 5th wheel tow rating and less conventional.

@joegonzalez9430

4 жыл бұрын

Dale P i saw that too. Maybe he got mistaken?🤔

@roundsm18

4 жыл бұрын

Fifth wheel/gooseneck have downward force in the bed. The bumper pull equivalent trailer will have less tongue weight. It’s physics. Its not backwards.

This is about the same weight as my travel trailer toy hauler

So they raised the GVWR of the F250 to 10800? The bigger question is what did they raise the F-350 srw GVWR to 12000?

I agree with you except I don't love half ton trucks. If it doesn't run on diesel and have 8 lug wheels I'm not interested.

I have towed an almost identical trailer with my tundra and it was the worst towing experience ever. I had a 4way sway setup and it still didn't help. the wind almost put me in a ditch

Good info

BTBRV, when are you going to show your new RV to us?

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

Soon my friend, soon

@jamesbeaman6337

4 жыл бұрын

I expect he will show us his interim RV soon but will he also show us his new long term one he is having built before it is finished?

I'd love more info on that cargo trailer!

Looking for info on the F250 death wobble. Is this a common problem or a rare occurrence blown out of proportion by social media posting?

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

Very very rare. Less than .1% say it happens to them. That includes modified and unmodified trucks apparently. Not sure how accurate that number is, but considering the 500,000+ fleet trucks and all personal vehicles, it's a low low number. I've never had it on any of my Super Dutys

@buckhorncortez

4 жыл бұрын

That was a problem from about 8 or 9 YEARS ago. I had a 2011 with that problem and Ford fixed it with a retrofit kit. I have a 2019 and the front end tie rods, sway bar, and steering damper are a different design.

@davef4194

4 жыл бұрын

I know those that have not experianced it blow it off. Having a 2017 F350 that waited until 25k miles before it first DW It is very real when its your truck and Ford really has no idea why it does it. My last vist to Ford was at 42k miles followg a return trip towing 5th wheel RV experiencing Death Wooble 7 times. New tires and re alignment it is feeling good right now.

@Ultrafrozen

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigTruckBigRV Thanks, I was seriously about to switch my focus from 2020 F250 with 7.3L to tow 8000lb TT to a 2020 GMC 2500 6.6 gasser. Still, 1 in 100 chance to get the death wobble, kinda scary!

Big truck what can I do to upgrade my 2019 silverado double cab LT rear suspension for towing?

Hey Big, now that the new Chevy 6.6. and Ford 7.3 gassers are out, will that change your rule of thumb on the 10k towing cutoff for gassers? The 6.6 is rated for 16k? and the 7.3 is rated up to 20k.

How about death Wobble??? I’m ready to buy a new truck but I’m scared of the Death Wobble

But the Biggest Question left unanswered... do they look good together?

The biggest problem with camper toy haulers the manufacture still not designed them properly so to put that much weight behind the axle is ridiculous

This guys favorite phrase is “toy hauler”. He says it even in videos not about trailers!!!

@Dive-Bar-Casanova

4 жыл бұрын

Hugh Jinvaney AKA TH.

So frustrated that my 2020 Ford F-250 has only 2250 payload

How is conventional tow higher than 5th wheel?

I normally don't comment on videos, but I do have a question regarding the cab of that F250. Was the sound a little low, or the road noise a little higher than usual? I'm looking for a new truck and will be choosing either a GMC or Ford.

@harleyjackson5513

4 жыл бұрын

Definately get the Ford!

That’s just a little bumper tow lol

Love the asshole little car passing you in the no-passing zone. Typical.

How did you like that 10 speed?

Is it okay to tow 10,000 lb TT with a gas F259, or do I need diesel? Thanks!

@ALMX5DP

4 жыл бұрын

katieD definitely okay, but where you tow it or how often could determine if there’s a case to spend more for the diesel.

@roundsm18

4 жыл бұрын

When we bought work trucks we actually did get a couple gassers. We do have a 250 with the 6.2. It’s a 4x4 crew cab long box (all of them are actually), and it does just fine with the equipment trailers at 15,000 and the ditch witch at 12,000. It won’t set a land speed record, but should anyone be trying to tow a trailer that fast? My state has 65 for highway speed limits, nobody cares if you can’t go 70. Now the guy who drives it has tripped the camera system at 85 towing an excavator. So... I’d say yes. It doesn’t struggle at all.

You’re way too obsessed with the idea of a half ton truck pulling a RV.

For the algorithm

Not a 1/2 ton. ????

@nathanael423

3 жыл бұрын

An F-250 is a 3/4 ton truck if my calculations are correct.

20k lbs on a bumper pull 3/4 ton SRW is a joke. That’s insane. That’s just going to get people over confident and cause accidents

@elev8torguy130

4 жыл бұрын

I noticed that. I think 20,000 is gross vehicle weight rating. I think he miss spoke.

@KMT15

4 жыл бұрын

elev8tor guy I agree. I haven’t looked into it yet, but I tow a 21,000lb boat on a bumper pull with my 2018 F450 and I’d never even think of using a SRW, much less a 3/4 ton ha

@elev8torguy130

4 жыл бұрын

@@KMT15 I have a 2019 f250 and my gvwr is 20k.

@alexmccamy6808

4 жыл бұрын

It’s what Ford is publishing on their guide. 20k trailer weight for conventional. Not combined. The f250 is listed to pull a heavier trailer conventional than 5th/gooseneck.

@elev8torguy130

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexmccamy6808 you are wrong. Gvwr is 20k. Conventional and gooseneck ratings are identical.

Hello

1:34. Nice to know Ford still is using the same weakazz return mechanism for their seat belts. I don't think they've improved that since the 90s.

@roundsm18

4 жыл бұрын

James McLamb an easy solution is to pull your seatbelts, send them out to have them rebuilt. Fixes the problem. I did it all the time in fleet service, sometimes to brand new trucks before we even got the plates for them. So while I was doing the upfit the rebuild happened and they got installed and I put the cabs back together and the guy who got assigned it never knew.

You dont tow with your holding tanks full or even half full, its unnecessary weight that does not need to be hauled around.

@fredconrath4606

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Dishon I boondock and tow my travel trailer regularly with a full tank of fresh water and another 24 gallons in the bed. I also carry fuel and a generator.

@x3dominator28

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly depending on tongue weight requirements, sometimes a full fresh water tank is just the ticket for safe towing. Each setup is different. If I’ve learned one thing towing campers with different trucks, it’s that there are no absolutes.

Why do you keep repeating 1/2 ton truck, when you are in a 3/4 ton truck? That's really annoying!!! It took you more than 6 minutes to tie into a 3/4 ton truck. Are there really people out there that can afford the longer, heavier trailers that don't already know that your going to need a 3/4 or 1 ton, even dually to handle that size/weight trailer safely?

3.31 is not a good getting for towing.? Why would you say that.

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

Who said that?

@FordF-Super

4 жыл бұрын

Ben Boyd I have zero issues towing my 11,200 TT with 3.31’s, I only tow about 12-15 times a year with my TT, added benefit with those gears is daily driving, I’m averaging 17.6 city 20.8 highway, 3.55’s have better acceleration but with all the torque ford has, it really doesn’t matter unless your towing max day in and day out,,,IMO

Why do we need a 6.7L engine in a 250 with the same HP and torque as is in the 350? makes no sense to me. Way over powered.

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

I would tend to agree.

@ALMX5DP

4 жыл бұрын

Who said anything about need? People often buy these trucks for want.

@fredconrath4606

4 жыл бұрын

John Irwin the 6.7 turbo diesel is a great high altitude engine. I live in Colorado and pull my travel trailer over 11,000+ passes on a regular basis. I will not two at altitude with a naturally aspirated engine if I can help it. That being said, if I lived at a lower elevation I would prefer the new 7.3.

@brianm1916

4 жыл бұрын

The F250 and 350 are nearly identical trucks except for a leaf in the rear and now a minor suspension height drop. Ford saw that they can sell a $10k engine upgrade with no engineering effort and went with it.

@supporterofsanity

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t hear that very often😅

I normally love this channel but it becoming a constant Ford Superduty commercial.

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

Brother, I do the same series of videos for both RAM and GMC at their media drive events. Go back and look if you have any doubts.

@jamesbeaman6337

4 жыл бұрын

Jeff, do what I do and just ignore all the videos posted that aren't Super Duty related. Except you would ignore all the ones that are. Just kidding, JD. I watch them all.

This Ford sales pitch didn't impress me.

@BigTruckBigRV

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, did you say the same thing when I posted videos at the RAM and GMC drive events?

@supporterofsanity

4 жыл бұрын

Ha I didn’t exactly hear a glowing review. JD did complain/state about feeling the weight of the trailer. Very refreshing departure from the standard, “you can’t even feel the trailer” BS.

@johnirwin1837

4 жыл бұрын

@@BigTruckBigRV , I could have without a second thought.

I'm all about having an over specced truck for towing vs. pulling something at it's limit. I use to tow a friend's 30ft 10,000lb BBQ trailer with a Silverado 1500 and it was the sketchiest thing to do, especially in Colorado. If I owned that business, I'd have nothing less than a 3/4 ton or 1 ton dually

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