“The difference between screwing around and science is writing it down.” ― Adam Savage

@nocount7517

11 ай бұрын

"We are professionals, because we get paid to do this." - Laurrey, Hydraulic Press Channel

@Stephen-T-Clark

11 ай бұрын

"Science is sort of a long, passive aggressive argument about everything" -Ze Frank

@hotcoffee5542

11 ай бұрын

"That's what." -- She

@JoseRodriguez-eu5ez

11 ай бұрын

​@@hotcoffee5542 This is a masterful comment.

@hotcoffee5542

11 ай бұрын

@@JoseRodriguez-eu5ez if only i were its originator, alas, i only copy what others have done before me...

gotta say, the new Shadi-Trio format really holds up so far AND it helps out Shad since he's been carrying the channel quasi-solo for so long.

@TerryProthero

11 ай бұрын

It helps that Shad picked such great guys to do it with. It's so important to have quality people. And the three of them work so well together.

@shadowofhawk55

11 ай бұрын

I kinda hoped it would spawn more essay type videos, like the fantasy rearmed stuff, but this content overall is still fun.

@cryptorcd9352

11 ай бұрын

For real, i used to watch shad sometimes during the years. Now with the trio im looking forward every episode. The dynamic between 3 of them is insane

@MrPlainsflyer

11 ай бұрын

I agree, I'm loving the trio

@madeinchina4179

11 ай бұрын

The question is: Who is Caesar, who is Crassus, and who is Pompey?

I love how there are a ton of people saying they should have procured a more expensive katana, but no one is saying the long sword should have costed the same to make the test fair

@heavilyarmedhippie75

11 ай бұрын

Weebs do the same thing with guns. The nambu pistols and arisaka rifles were cheap surplus like everything else at the end of WW2, then weebs came around and gave them mythical status before ammo for them was obtainable and ballistics tests could be done

@mahmoudabduladeez7362

11 ай бұрын

​@@heavilyarmedhippie75the arisaka was pretty similar to the mosin nagant, right ?

@heavilyarmedhippie75

11 ай бұрын

@@mahmoudabduladeez7362 in that it's a bolt action rifle with a bore roughly 6mm-8mm firing a full power rifle cartridge, yes. You could equate the rifles of the day to modern semi auto service pistols as to how similar they were to each other

@raiftadehara9218

11 ай бұрын

​@@heavilyarmedhippie75 actually FYI western experts find nambu and browning to be comparable in ingenuity, quality and reliability they don't compare any other gunsmiths to browning that I am aware of not really sure what you are talking about but whatever

@raiftadehara9218

11 ай бұрын

@Z.O.M.G what you and this channel don't understand is that a katana is a FENCING weapon meaning that it was designed for agility and speed so that it could make fast strikes with surgical precision it is not the Japanese version of a two handed broadsword that you handle like some berserker swinging for the fences to make a really fair comparison to a katana with its euro counterpart this test should have been made with something like a light rapier that is not made from modern spring steel but made in the actual types of steel common to Europe also the presenters of this video kept buzzwording "1,000 dollar katana" like that was the top of the line shizzleforizzle but the fact is that not all katana are created equal just like euro swords for example the ulfbert was an exceptional blade with fantastic properties meant to be carried by a king other viking swords were simply not as good well Japan is not too different yes there are some katana that were made for lesser bushi foot soldiers and some worthy of the shogun with fantastic properties that you could not even look at or buy for less than $500,000 US dollars this whole argument is stupid because it is based on the assumption that all steel in Japan is crap when the fact is that there is good steel AND crap steel in Japan just like europe and every other place in the world this argument is just like this channel coming from infantile and petty mentalities

Shad is over here calling it cheap vs. expensive while I'm over here seeing expensive vs. even more expensive.

@tapurate638

10 ай бұрын

Expensive vs my kidney.

@ChrisChronos

Ай бұрын

@@tapurate638 my kidney vs my mortgage

Myth Busters may be over, but the spirit of it definitely lived on here with you guys!

@andyappleton3353

11 ай бұрын

Facts. I wish they'd hire Kari Byron to prance around swinging swords with that tight little body of hers.

@VidelxSpopovich

11 ай бұрын

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks so.

@Tach4nk4

11 ай бұрын

@@andyappleton3353 Go to horny jail, NOW

@antoniodunbar1643

11 ай бұрын

​@@andyappleton3353 tight mmmhmmm indeed thicc

@PoshBeard

11 ай бұрын

@@andyappleton3353 Bruh wtf

One seriously cannot explain just how much abuse they put that bastard sword through before this, and it's a held up perfectly fine, even until now. So yeah.

@Am_Cookie2436

11 ай бұрын

Ty for the heart!

@RoulicisThe

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, that sword has been around in his videos for quite a while, and it has seen A LOT of abuse. It's amazing how well the blade is holding up after all of this

@Am_Cookie2436

11 ай бұрын

@@RoulicisThe that's good quality for you

@Keiranful

11 ай бұрын

@@Am_Cookie2436 that's modern metallurgy for you. I've actually been dreaming of commissioning a sword from the very best steel you can get, with high hardness AND flexibility (called trip steel, if you want to look it up).

@Am_Cookie2436

11 ай бұрын

@Keiranful mhm. Goodluck on your commission there! And ty for the info, I'll definitely look it up

I was always amused when (somebody I know) would hear that a blade had over 1000 layers, he would say "it was folded over 1000 times". "No", I would say, "it was folded 10 times" Each fold doubles the layers. 1=(2), 2=(4), 3=(8), 4=(16), 5=(32), 6=(64), 7=(128), 8=(256), 9=(512), 10(1024)

@BogeyTheBear

11 ай бұрын

At some point the layers become thinner than the iron atoms that make up the steel. Which is kind of the point if you're trying to make the steel uniform throughout.

@nobodyshome6792

11 ай бұрын

@@BogeyTheBear yea, it's called graphene. And that is less than 20 years old.

@BogeyTheBear

11 ай бұрын

@@nobodyshome6792 No. It's called "mixing something completely up" and it's been around since forever.

@nobodyshome6792

11 ай бұрын

@@BogeyTheBear without carbon, iron isn't steel. Think about that for a while.

@BogeyTheBear

11 ай бұрын

@@nobodyshome6792 Think about this: Fold something enough times, it no longer has any layers.

Can't wait for sequel where Shad is even fairer and tests Katana against a kitchen knife

@TheDeinonychus

11 ай бұрын

Joreg Sprave had a very interesting video over on his channel, where he wanted to see if he could make a usable sword out of a bar of structural steel. At the end, he ended up taking it to someone who does make katanas using traditional tahagame steel to learn how he might be able to improve it. At the end of the video, they did some cutting tests with Joreg's 'orc sword' and a katana made with traditional materials and techniques. In the end, the guy said that so long as the blade is sharp, it's more about a person's technique than anything to do with the sword, and to prove it, he did some cutting with a kitchen knife

@Tounushi

11 ай бұрын

A Nikkei knife?

@catosicarius3027

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheDeinonychusfun fact, that isn't true at all. Many swords are made to fit many different areas. Most of the time a katana is made for cutting, while longswords and many European swords were built to cut but mostly crush. Due to medieval armor during that time.

@robertthebruce6035

11 ай бұрын

​@@catosicarius3027"Mostly Crush" 🤡

@ssjbread2803

11 ай бұрын

​@@catosicarius3027that's not how a longsword defeats armor bro, not even close

katanas very easily reach that point where you are paying for traditional craftsmanship rather than durability or quality anymore. the difference will be even more pronounced when you consider traditional craftsmanship is basically replicating the historical process of making good enough steel given lack of good raw materials. Modern springsteel is going to be more durable in almost every way. One thing I would be curious about is how good historical medieval spring steel was. Surely we have a range from really good to really bad, but I suspect their definition of really good probably didn't reach modern industrial levels. I don't know how easy it is to obtain a longsword made from historical raw materials, but it would be interesting to compare historical and modern longswords.

@spicketspaghet7773

11 ай бұрын

A good idea. It is noted that the poorer ends of swords were really genuinely crappy steel. Some historical examples are equivalent to only 1025 steel, which is barely high-carbon. They do all tend to show evidence of a monohardening process. Higher end examples have actually shown to be very comparable to 1065, 1075, and some modern spring steels. The later the sword was made tends to increase the quality of the steel. Rapiers were only possible with good steel. The Renaissance and Late Medieval periods saw good swords being made with plenty good steel.

@4Curses

11 ай бұрын

well, there is that video of a german sword smith Stefan Roth, who is well-known in both, historical japanese forging and medieval european forging and learned both traditional fighting styles.I seem to remember he made all the swords they tested himself.

@duckpotat9818

11 ай бұрын

Wootz steel (which isn't even European but it's the best pre modern steel, so expect worse) is the closest and even it's not better than the best modern spring steels while costing it's weight in silver. So even the best historic swords would definitely be at best on par with modern processes but not identical (Wootz steel depended on the impurities in it's source for some properties)

@nobodyshome6792

11 ай бұрын

Modern steel is vastly superior. Higher tensile strength, considerably more impact resistance and way fewer impurities. The historical method is cheap steel. Even if it costs more to make. I have owned and made weapons using historical methods, just as I have made and owned weapons made using modern methods. And some in between. Modern steel is just so much superior in terms of quality and lack of impurities. You're better off comparing historical steel to wood, and not modern refined steel. Hell, modern nickle and aluminum are better than medieval steel!

@nobodyshome6792

11 ай бұрын

@@spicketspaghet7773 steel that still contains 10% or higher impurities. In Williamsburg there is a great little blacksmith shop. They make weapons using colonial age processes, the steel that is produced using colonial techniques is nowhere near as good as any steel made using the Bessemer Process. Or modern variations of. Open Hearth smelting is nowhere near as good as Basic Oxygen or Electric Arc processes.

The reason Japanese swordsmiths do the folding and differential hardening has nothing to do with the Katana somehow being better than a Longsword. Its just that the quality of the iron ore they had in Medieval Japan was lower than that of iron ore available in Europe. So, the reason those swordsmithing techniques were developed in Japan, was to make up for the poor quality of the ore. In other words, to produce a Katana of similar performance to a Longsword, you need to do all those extra steps, if using traditional Japanese iron.

@SkullOfTheRaven

11 ай бұрын

Exactly. It seems all these katana superfans that are like "oh it's not authentic, it's not folded" don't seem to realize that a katana made with modern techniques are almost always higher quality than traditionally made katana, mainly due to the material quality but also the methods being more exact

@waterbender6288

11 ай бұрын

Nah fr they didn’t invent blast furnaces so they got stuck with shit tier steel that had severely inconsistent carbon levels, and people think that that’s an advantage 😂

@SeanCrosser

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, the homogenous steel, differentially hardened katana they had last time practically performs just as well for this reason. Unless if you wanna go for the crazy 7 layer construction katanas, I'd love to put one of those under crazy tests to see if it helps any.

@Pharland

11 ай бұрын

As a Japanese man the level of misconception some people have about the Katana is frustratingly confusing

@user-cd5fm3hh9k

11 ай бұрын

To be fair, folding is not something unique and was used in europe since 800 BC, west asia since 1300 BC

It's still amazing to me how many people don't realize that folded steel was originally a method for dealing with inconsistencies in the quality of the metal. It's used today for aesthetic or skill demonstration purposes and that's fine, but it pretty much always detracts from the functional quality of the blade. Great video guys, keep em coming.

The point about how a katana inspires a very specific chopping motion was really interesting to me, because of Japanese culture. For centuries, there was and has been a huge amount of mythologizing around "how" to use a sword. Schools like Shinkageryu or Niten-Ichi, for instance. Very rigid rules for, and definitions of, swordplay. So the katana being hyper-specialized into a specific niche makes sense; it came from a culture that was all about hyper-specializing into a certain niche.

@toomanyaccounts

11 ай бұрын

the tech to overcome piss poor iron in sword making means the japanese blades were not blunt instruments like a lot of European blades

@LeFlamel

11 ай бұрын

Probably backwards association - it was the material reality behind the katana that produced a culture of specificity around swordplay.

@SergeantSniper

11 ай бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts European swords aren't blunt either, pal.

@toomanyaccounts

11 ай бұрын

@@SergeantSniper learn what the term blunt instrument means. it isn't literal

@atomiicpunk

11 ай бұрын

@@toomanyaccounts It is literal, and you're the one that should learn what the term blunt instrument means. Sheesh

it was really satisfying to look at the pool noodle cutting when the swords were re-sharpened

You know they will try to break the swords when Tyrant (edit:Tyranth) reaches for the bastard sword instead of katana.

@Am_Cookie2436

11 ай бұрын

Yep.

@ObjectiveZoomer

11 ай бұрын

His stage name is Tyranth, with a th

@anzerupnik1442

11 ай бұрын

@@ObjectiveZoomer sorry, thank you for correction

When thinking about edge retention, don't forget you have two edges on that longsword. So even IF one of these edges gets dull faster than the Katana's, you flip it around and have a fresh one. Or you just use both edges about the same and distribute the dulling effect.

@Caio-ow5tm

8 ай бұрын

Edge retention 🥴🥴🥴

Shad and crew, loving the trio format! Been a fan for a very long time. I have something rather inexpensive I think you guys would be perfect to test. Post apocalypse on the horizon, we NEED to know the efficacy of Tire Armor. Love you guys. Keep up the stellar work!

@KingOfAquilonia

10 ай бұрын

100% want to see tire armor tested. Make this happen please!

@BandanaGames

10 ай бұрын

@@KingOfAquilonia In the whip testing video they slapped Boromir around and he was wearing tire armor so dreams do come true!

According to the documentary game „Metal Gear Rising:Revengeance“, Katanas can easily cut trough a tank

I feel like this may have been a topic already, but in case it hasn't been: A video on how regularly soldiers or knights would switch their blades/swords because of them getting damaged would be cool. Knowing if there were perhaps historical references to certain smiths who were doing especially good or bad work etc.

@gamermanzeake

11 ай бұрын

This has always popped up in the back of my mind when thinking about medieval warfare.

@Talishar

11 ай бұрын

The interesting thing is that in nearly all cultures, swords were expensive and something kept even after being broken or damaged on the battlefield. They were often reforged into new swords or ground down and reformed into smaller blades. Folks back then weren't as wasteful as we may think they were and recycling was very much a thing for expensive tools/artifacts.

@blumiu2426

11 ай бұрын

@@Talishar Let's not forget those that stripped bodies on the field if resources were low. They made use of what they could and some would find their way being sold by actual corpse looters scouring battlefields.

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

11 ай бұрын

@@blumiu2426 Yeah, corpse with armor and weapon intact is exception.

@texasbeast239

11 ай бұрын

Several vids have told us recently that medieval sword consumers were fine with superficial imperfections when sword shopping because they simply didn't expect perfection. They understood that asymmetry and what-not came with the territory. So did they likewise expect chippage/breakage to come with the territory, to the point that they didn't even bother to track which sword marks lasted longer?

The broadsword here looks quite like the one Boromir has in the Jackson movies, so it automatically has a leg up in my book. I am also really looking forward to that "other" video, because I really like Kriegsmesser and Falchions.

I think it’s been an amazing journey to watch how your team has grown over the past several years and the series of videos you guys have been putting out in the last few months really shows. Shadiversity has always been amazing but you guys have gelled together so well and this content is proof. I can’t wait for your videos every week boys!

I am about as sword literate as a possum but I found this video very interesting as a fan of samurai movies. Good work guys.

@zaekulia

11 ай бұрын

It was interesting, but please don't take this too seriously The video is clearly a jab against Katana weebs and they are still biased (which is totally ok, it's just like Violin players reviewing a Cello) In the end swords are swords and it's not about "which is better?" but "who is better?"

@triscuitgonzalez7936

11 ай бұрын

@@zaekulia exactly. It’s also the question of “better at what” Swords are tools, tools have different jobs, for the most part no one tool is objectively better than another bc they’re all for different things

@zwenkwiel816

11 ай бұрын

Don't underestimate the swordmanship of possums though...

@steeldriver1776

11 ай бұрын

@@zwenkwiel816 that’s what I’m saying! Like he just straight up insulted the possum kingdom and I wouldn’t be that brave.

@stonelion99

11 ай бұрын

I think you underestimate the capabilities of a possum.

God, I'd love to spend a day with these guys

@tankythemagnorite9855

11 ай бұрын

Wouldn't we all.

@JKMlive

11 ай бұрын

Just a day?

@dschnaible

11 ай бұрын

I’d love to buy a castle and be a neighbor… but I’m in Texas and there are certain possessions I can’t give up to move.

@reaganjanaerichard5009

11 ай бұрын

Same. Same.

@andyappleton3353

11 ай бұрын

Amazing how difficult it is to find just a few people with a similar interest such as this isn't it?

The thing I don't remember hearing you mention, is that if you ruin an edge on a longsword, you can just flip it since you have another pristine one still available.

@mksmike

9 ай бұрын

"Don't worry, I struck him with the back of the blade... oops."

@raifthemad

9 ай бұрын

@@mksmike You really believe, that this anime strategy was in use by real swordsmen?

@mksmike

9 ай бұрын

@@raifthemad It's a joke and I don't have an opinion on that. But even if the swordsman tried the impact alone can break the person's bones.

@raifthemad

9 ай бұрын

@@mksmike Sadly written medium does not convey jokes that well. I could see how someone would make that statement in absolute seriousness, hence my question.

@mksmike

9 ай бұрын

@@raifthemad Oh come on. Even if that was an actual thing there's no way the user wouldn't see the longsword has an edge on each side.

Honestly these more technical or analytical videos you guys have been doing have just kept me hooked start to finish. Good work guys!

I own all three versions of United Cutlery's Honshu Single Hand Broadsword (actually a bastard sword), the one you have in your video, the one they make in 1065 steel with a brown grip and brown sheath and mirror polish blade, and the Midnight Forge version. And they are some of my absolute favorite swords! For $230, it's difficult to find a better, more durable sword. (Even tho the factory edge sucks and I had to sharpen it myself). I've put them to the test and have really been hard on them, and they hold up very well. That sword is an absolute beast. I'd take that sword into actual battle any day and have complete confidence in it.

@tekken.universal2343

11 ай бұрын

Actually it is not bastard sword it is broad bastard sword

@mattjack3983

11 ай бұрын

@@tekken.universal2343 I don't get too nitpicky with the terminology. Shad also refers to it as a "bastard sword" . It not all that serious.

@tekken.universal2343

11 ай бұрын

@@mattjack3983 i am just joking

@SerAvaros

11 ай бұрын

Do all three have the same weight? Just was wondering since I saw some reviews of the brown grip one feeling heavy in the hand.

@mj31382

11 ай бұрын

Nah...I would just use a gun

I've got to say I didn't have as much time to watch as many of your videos as I would like in the past year but every time I tune in I just end up leaving with a smile while learning something. Love you lads keep up the good work

You guys really have turned into Renaissance Fair Mythbusters. I like it.

I always thought the reason why people keep comparing longsword to katanas (despite, as you mentioned, longsword being not really comparable) is as an extension of the comparison people make between knights and samurai.

@TheLifeLaVita

11 ай бұрын

which again, is not really comparable

@escapetherace1943

11 ай бұрын

if we were to compare a knight would smash a samurai all day long the same way a longsword is better than a katana in durability, techniques you can use, balance of the sword, etc., I think people compare them a lot though because of the "legend" of the katana being something it isn't was spread through the internet and adopted by neckbeards, basically.

@joaotoe2833

11 ай бұрын

It's just comparing two weapons

@escapetherace1943

11 ай бұрын

@@joaotoe2833 yeah you can compare them, they have the same use and do the same thing. Just because they didnt cross in a battlefield doesn't mean you can't compare them, that is the most fedora-tipping tier argument there is.

@jose6378

10 ай бұрын

I would say they aren't immediately comparable. Katanas were made for a different environment under different circumstances with different resources than a longsword. To be called a good sword it needs to be good in the environment it was meant for. Would the longsword be better for the purposes the katana was used for? Using similar resources? At what point do you separate the technology used to make the sword from the sword itself?

that hello fresh transition was soooo smooth

@TerryProthero

11 ай бұрын

They get a sponsor and a good lunch while they are shooting videos. It's perfect.

@gamermanzeake

11 ай бұрын

It was very funny the way Tyranth was looking at the camera quite menacingly. You could see the sponsor coming a mile off, yet it was smooth to transition, and I didn't skip! Everyone else, I skip. That's mostly due to my having no interest in folk's sponsors. But I digress.

@Echo_419

11 ай бұрын

Same, even though I know the sponsor is coming, I don't skip them on Shadiversity videos.

It would be fun to have a chat about the nuances of sword testing.

@pietropieragnoli1346

11 ай бұрын

Yea, i mean , when they bend the katana the edge allinement was off

@dlatrexswords

11 ай бұрын

Would certainly appreciate this type of collaboration

@pietropieragnoli1346

11 ай бұрын

In the site there is written that katana is t10 stell in the core, and damascus hamon in the edge(that means e nothing) So i dont know, the fact that katana is inferior in this test is the way the test is done , or the material of the katana, or the shape of the katana(?) Personally i think is the material of the katana and the way was heat treated ( a bad temper can cause the katana bend)

@Donky_Kongs_Baby

11 ай бұрын

​@Pietro Pieragnoli That's not that problem I own several live katanas they not designed to take punishment of any type out side of hitting soft targets. They are great slicing weapons but that's where the buck stops. I own 1 that's over 3000 dollars made from Japan really sharp high quality. They are great side arms but they are not really good at hard long combat.

@SeanCrosser

11 ай бұрын

​@@pietropieragnoli1346katanas are designed to bend and take the set when swung badly, because thats better than snapping. Taking a set like this one did isn't a failure. Authentic katanas take sets.

I swear, every video keeps getting better and better! Thanks for being informative and entertaining.

Thing is people often misunderstand why the folded the steel as being they wanted to make a super strong steel, the reality is folded steal is not any stronger than non folded steel, the reason that they folded steal was because of the method they used to make the chunks of steel was not good and it lead to a lot of impurities in the steal and it is very weak and by folding the steal over and over you work those impurities out making the steel stronger, in Europe and other country's the steel making process was far more advanced and produced pretty clean steel that was already strong

@darrellhendrix5502

11 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure that is what he said at the beginning of the video.

I would say the pommel strike is a little bit more effective with an actual pommel, but there are butt strikes with the katana. Yes the katana also has a guard similar to Oachs/Finestra, but they are mainly meant for cuts, at least in the style that i am learning.

I know you guys are professionals... But accidents can happen to anyone! Please, be careful and armour up!

@jmell458

11 ай бұрын

There's been a few too many close calls on this channel lately... I dread the day you have to make the community post saying 'Unfortunately one of the Shadiversity team members has passed away during a shoot for a video'

@raven1728

11 ай бұрын

"Professionals"

@bavariancarenthusiast2722

11 ай бұрын

I always shiver that somebody grips on the blade and loses his finger - but well they know what they are doing

@Raakarapu

11 ай бұрын

@@raven1728 Professional as opposed to amateur only means that you make money doing what ever it is your doing. So yes they qualify.

@jmell458

11 ай бұрын

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Or if a blade snaps, or the wind changes and an arrow goes astray, or a wood chip slices someone's lip (one of the hardest parts of the body to repair)... Any number of things outside of their direct control could feasibly happen. Even a proper HEMA helmet/mask would go a long way to help them

A lot of people seem to think that all long swords were extremely springy or completely mono-hardened. A lot were actually made to be stiffer and differentially hardened. It all depends on what kind of sword you are looking at.

7:57 one of the smoothest segways in history

I train kendo/jaido, etc. I love katanas and their kin. But i predict that for the price you pay for a sword, the 200 buck version will be enough. In other words, a katana is very good at what it's made for, but knowing the japanese mindset, let's just say i don't think the inventor was making a durable, easy to fix sword and instead just maxed out all the other stats. Makes it a beast at cutting flesh, but i can see the guy say: if it breaks, it was the users fault😅. Springsteel longsword? Put a dent in it? Just hammer it out a bit, see? Good to go again. So yeah, i think this one goes to the longsword, hands down in terms of what it offers compared to the price tag

8:20 I know its sponsorship but cooking with Katana is a worthy video challenge on its own

@Akira-Aerins

11 ай бұрын

nah. Wakizashi.

@garethbaus5471

11 ай бұрын

Sounds a lot like fruit ninja.

For a while I forgot I was watching an advert. And the way the katana was used to prepare food somehow seemed perfectly natural. And every time I see Shad's videos, I keep thinking I picked the wrong career..

I love u guys, been getting really into the history an use of swords and u guys give me so much content useful to my search for knowledge

Can't seem to find the video again but part of my sword-buying research once led me to a video of a japanese cutting contest. Lotta old swordsmen in hakama and gi, using really nice swords to cut tatami. And the main point of the video was the guy sitting on the side, on a raised wood platform. The cutters would do their cuts, check their sword, and then sometimes hand them to the guy. The guy would accept the sword, check it, and then begin correct any sets that those swords had took after doing the cuts. So yeah: even expensive katanas are expected to take sets when you put them through their paces. Especially for thinner cutter swords, they're known to take sets, and that's okay! Better a set than snapping.

I Love katana"s Okay guys !! I know it dosnt seem like it lately...

@garethvila5108

11 ай бұрын

You can only truly love something if you can accept their weak points along with the strong ones. And you truly love the katana.

Really nice videos with all three of you. I hope this is a system that Shad can live with without putting too much strain on himself. I‘m also always happy when seeing the hello fresh advertisements, cause I realize just how genuine this is meant. You are really recommending it! Love them and the brilliant Segways.

To be fair, the fact Tyranth broke the wood with the katana specifically because of one of the reason it bent. And I don't mean the softer spine and differential hardening. The lack of the ability to flex and return to shape actually transfers more energy as blunt force trauma because it has less give. This is coupled with a single edge design creates a wedge effect. The blade is thicker than some once you get past the edge. The thick it gets the better at splitting rather than chopping it becomes. This means it is less likely to get stuck in the wood too than a thinner blade. The ease of edge alignment would also reduce the bend in the final state compared to some other swords. This also factors into why that strike also knocked it off its brace point. It was the blunt force that transferred into the wood. And this all brings up splitting versus chopping. For example, a felling axe chops deeper but you have to chop further in before a split occurs even when chopping with the grain. But on standing trees you are not trying to split the wood,. You are trying to use the least amount of swings to cut deeper into it. A splitting axe gets wider sooner and pushes any penetrated material apart. It seems like something similar is occurring with the katana. What else splits or cracks. Well bones. In which case, the katana may split bones with less penetration into the bones because of differences in weight distribution and thickness. If armor materials have a tendency to split, the form of the katana and other single edge blades may be more effective while also being alright at chopping.

@TheLifeLaVita

11 ай бұрын

it was all good and dandy until the "what else... well...". Very forced

This was an amazing video. The narration was fun, and the content engaging. I love what I'm seeing here.

I think something people forget when talking about the Katana being folded is why it was folded. Japan didn't have access to stronger metals so they had to fold it to make it strong enough to be used as a sword. Katanas made of stronger metals don't need to be folded to begin with, so it's not a problem if they aren't folded. Personally I'm more into sabers than longswords or katanas. Small, quick, and precise. Funny enough most sabers have the same blade length as a katana, the katana just has a longer grip since it is meant for 2 hands.

@Johannes--evangelium736

8 ай бұрын

日本刀も馬上で使う為に進化してきた経緯があるから、用途としては本来サーベルに近い。 厳密には太刀と打刀で違う用途だけど、打刀は太刀からの派生だしね。

also video idea, in the demon slayer anime one of the character uses a katana that he intentionally chips the blade which appears to cut better in the same way a serrated steak knife does, a video showing the efficacy of such a blade would make an interesting video although will certainly destroy a sword you're choice if you wanna destroy a katana but i'd love to see it

Love the format, you guys!

I think the funniest thing about comparing different historical swords is the fact that they were not as common on the battlefield as people would think. In alot of cases, swords were more akin to an heirloom then a weapon of war. Spears and the like were far more common in large scale combat. Not to take away from the video, just a funny thought.

@honnorgaurd

11 ай бұрын

yup. thats because spears were cheeper, easier to make, had longer reach, and most importantly, required FAR less training and skill to be affective with in battle. That latter part is key because what alot of people dont understand is that statistics dont win battles or wars. its logistics. during medieval times, a fully professional trained army was VERY expensive. training was limited. alot of the time, levying farmers and peasants was a much more affective method to fill up ranks. or to quickly train up new soldiers to replace lost ones in the middle of a war. give them a long spear, a shield, then teach them how to shield wall and poke as one and BOOM, you have yourself a solid meat-grinding frontline to hold the enemy while the more elite forces cut down the enemy line or at least attempt to before their elite force tries to do the same. the spear was overall something any untrained person could use to defend themselves or fight others with less danger to themselves. Swords were of course part of their equipment, especially for proper professionally trained soldiers but usually was more or less the backup weapon you resorted to rather than the initiate engagement weapon.

@dalekmasterblaster585

11 ай бұрын

Don't know about you, but the guy in armor plating and holding a halberd covered in blood and has group of bodies behind him isn't going to be scared of the metal pointy stick.

@honnorgaurd

11 ай бұрын

@@dalekmasterblaster585 lmao, nope. he definitely wouldnt xD.

@lordcommissar7813

11 ай бұрын

@@dalekmasterblaster585 nope what he gears is another guy in armor with a big metal mace haha

@nobodyshome6792

11 ай бұрын

Spears > horses. Horses > swords Swords > spears Spears > horses. In medieval combat, spears were used more commonly because peasants had to deal with knights and other cavalry. Spears are very good for dealing with horses. Makes it easier to get to the guy on the horse. It also has the reach necessary to unmount a person from those horses. From what records and historical information I can find, about 1 out of every 3 males owned a sword.

that chiken with veggies looked reeeeally good omg

Always up for some good old fantasy Mythbusters! Love it! Great work, guys!

I think this is one of the best videos you made. It high lights that some cheaper price swords are pretty good and don't deserver the toxic hate they will receive. I have a few swords like this and I have even tested them, they are pretty strong with the only issues being a not so sharp blade and some cost cutting in the assembly or quality. Either way, good video and I hope to see more videos like this one.

Katana, long sword.....yeah just gimme a musket and call it even lol

@its_dey_mate

11 ай бұрын

Put a bayonet and you practically got yourselt a spear, and we all know that the sharp pointy bit on a stick is the ultimate weapon humanity has concieved.

When they're going over the tests it always looks like Tyranth is mad that the katana isn't performing better lol

The starting production is great on this video! Great direction!

The beauty of the Katana isn't that it is some special amazing sword among swords. The beauty of a Katana is the craftsmanship to turn garbage like tamahagani into a beautiful and effective weapon that can even be compared to other weapons made with vastly superior ore. Not to put down the craftsmanship of Western smith's and their abilities, they are equally as amazing. I just wish people would stop with the whole "katana is God's gift to swords" nonsense.

You guys cutting the food with the swords was great lol. What a creative way to make the sponsor relavent

Katana became legendary because it’s a symbol of command/power. People often just assume “wow Japanese officers brought them into battle in WWII, they must be better than swords that were long rendered obsolete in the west”. Sure they did use them in close quarters, but don’t forget, Chinese also used large swords too… Katana, like American saber are like symbolic arms rather than actually effective in a battle.

@ahhhhhh9033

11 ай бұрын

Katanas are trash brah, the long sword easily wins

@gavinwang7886

11 ай бұрын

I believe European officer also carry swords in WW1

@AaronShenghao

11 ай бұрын

@@gavinwang7886 That's the point, by WWII, only Japanese still carried them in battle or have them in command post as symbol of command.

I think there's a misconception going on about this entire thing with regards to the folding. The only point of "folding" is to incorporate the softer, flexible steel, with the harder steel. The use of different steels into the fold, and then differential hardening the entire thing, is to make the sword with a hard enough edge for sharpness and durability, while also having a core and spine that is able to absorb the impact well enough without breaking or bending into catastrophic failure. It's meant to create a type of structure inside the blade that absorbs or resists impact and deformity in different extents much like with building a skyscraper that can dance to the winds at higher floors as well as resist toppling during earthquakes. The removal of imperfection is second and an added bonus to that process. By the time a billet is forged into one piece--before the cutting and folding is done, the tamahagane has already undergone the impurity removal and further selection process of which piece of wafer gets used for the edge, and which wafer gets used for the core or spine--in various combinations depending on the desired structure. I would highly suggest watching these two specific great reference videos on how traditional Japanese swordsmithing is done so you can understand what I'm talking about. They explain it quite well in English so it is fairly easy to understand. I'll also link two Wikipedia pages about this process that has great info and also mentions things like how this "steel sandwich" process has been done by different swordsmiths (on the diagram you can also see Masamune's 7-layer steel sandwich method used on his swords): Sources: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mayruchmfcnAhs4.html

I really liked this format as well as the video!

That was a good commercial, I liked the thematic use of the swords. Also, a good video. I am impressed by how well the spring steel holds up against the Katana.

I think wearing an 8” laced up (combat style) boot would greatly improve footwork and help ankle support. Love you guys, keep up the good work.

Out of all the hello fresh videos on youtube yours is the first one that made me actually want to try it. I loved it.

Best Hello Fresh ad ever. Like seriously that would be a hit if it played on TV with no context- an otherwise-regular food commercial but the dude's cutting everything with a katana.

This is a very entertaining and educational video great work team Shad. Although it does break my heart seeing a beautiful sword get destroyed when I can’t afford a proper one

I gotta say the hello fresh ads just feel extremely natural when you do them in these sword videos idk why. Mabey cause I watch while I'm cooking usually...

This was awesome to watch: informational, educational and entertaining all in one. On a side note, has Shad ever done a video about different ways (outside of jousting and horseback) of Lance combat? Just curious.

Love it! Keep it up! Subbed on Playur

On Mythbusters, Grant would build a robot to make strikes strong enough to break things and bend test objects. On Shadiversity, we have 1 man

Okay that intro was awesome!

Really enoyed this! Good work boys.

so fun. great videos!

Needed to add unbreaking 3 first silly

I think the main problem in comparing an expensive katana to a modestly priced longsword is not that the katana would not be good enough, but that the longsword is too good. The mythos that has been created around the katana means that the most expensive ones are specifically made with an inferior method because that's traditional and what the prestige of katana is all about. In turn, there is no such tradition hampering the quality of most other swords, so any proper longsword, even a fairly cheap one, will be made of good modern spring steel because it's fairly accessible and the cost difference between it and some lower quality steel would be fairly meaningless. While there certainly was very good quality spring steel at best in the medieval Europe, I'm not sure how it would hold up to just a standard moder spring steel. In short, there is no reason to use steel of historical quality for a longsword, but there is for a katana. So I don't think we can realiably compare the two, in a stress test at least. Though the best medieval European spring steel would probably still have the edge over the best feudal Japanese folded and differentially hardened steel.

@Cybetrexs

9 ай бұрын

There is no point in using traditional steel in a katana. If I was a soldier at war, I’d rather have a blade that will kill the enemy, not one that’s fancy and “traditional”.

@wombat4191

9 ай бұрын

@@Cybetrexs yes, there is no point in it if you want a sword that you'd actually use. But let's be honest, they are just vanity items 99.9% of the time, and in that respect the prestige (and looks) of a traditional method matters even if it's actually just inferior.

@Cybetrexs

9 ай бұрын

@@wombat4191 can you tell a folded steel sword made from shitty iron just by looks? Cause I can’t.

@wombat4191

9 ай бұрын

@@Cybetrexs the Hamon lines in particular is the looks part. You don't get those with spring steel.

2:53 This little passby skit was so damn good that myself and my mother, father, sister and brother-in-law collectivly bursted our sides out at how casually they come in with the comparison Shad was talking about, just arguing and walking by, and then how casually Shad gets back on track. Must have replayed that scene at least 4-5 times. That was way too funny! That was very good stuff Shad!

I love the anduril replica among the longswords. such a cool design

I love watching these guys

"We put longswords and katanas against each other to find out which one is the better blade!" I'll take a falx and a hike.

For anyone interested, as the question came up, just hold a katana like you’re giving it a gentle handshake. Smaller fingers and that part of your palm glued on. The rest of the hand just wrapped out of the way (a quick-guide simplification, but a good guide). Puts your body in a more optimal position and gains you a tiny bit of range too. ( there will be differences in school/region/era/type of practice) Independently of this cool testing btw.

I like to cut pool noodles often. They do NOT dull or scratch the edge unless you get them dirty. What happens is a plastic film builds up after about 10-15 minutes. I keep my swords oiled and this helps for a few minutes. Once the oil is gone problems start quickly. This film is sticky and makes the sword look dull. It will even feel sharp to the finger but won't cut well until stropped or cleaned with something that can dissolve the film. Sharpening on stones would be the most extreme way to remove the buildup. Did you just grind in a new small bevel? A katana isn't usually something you just sharpen up really quick. I noticed all this when going back and forth with newspaper and noodles. Started cutting free hanging paper, went great. Went and did noodles for 20 minutes, went well. Back the paper and I couldn't get a cut. I wondered did the noodles really dull my sword? Assuming I was tired I packed it up for the day. The next day noodles didn't cut as well and got the point I was just bashing them around. How is my fancy katana failing me? I watch people cut up 2x4's and still slice paper... It took me a few days to figure it out. THE NOODLE FILM! I have never heard of anyone saying this so either I'm onto something here or fully insane. The reader can decide! Now after each noodle session I use a solvent (carb cleaner) to remove all residues before a thin coat of oil. No issues in over a year with this method. I assume the powder ball thing full of stone dust would do something very similar.

Great fun series of testing and a great exposé in terms of cost to value for what you are getting. Katanas seem to fall into this pricing trap more than other types of sword due to the mythical beliefs of the sword. So as i always recommend anyway always do your reasearch first on any product really but espically any product which is going to be in triple or higher digits...because you dont want to spend what is a lot of money to you to end up with a dud. But that honshu sword i recall the original video how i pressive it seemed about 9-10 months ago and there have only been 1-2 deidcated stress test videos aince it has been highlighted as the main...but each time it holds up and you can tell it is a go to sword in the arsenal and clearly a favorite depending on needs, making it into many other videos as well and for shad espically who loves his warsword and back shabbard combo that is high praise indeed to make it into that arena of like.

It only makes sense for the Katana to leave more damage on the wood than the longsword though... Spring Steel allows part of the energy to escape in the wobble (yes, very scientific terms), whereas with the rigid katana the energy only has 2 places to go, into the blade or into the wood.

@lorisroh269

11 ай бұрын

Which destroys the blade. Great 😂

Shoutout to the young fellow for being reliably unbiased. Great video guys.

Always love seeing your videos and showing my little brother; he likes the cutting part but i hope he learns some things too.

From a development standpoint, it should be noted that the Katana is an evolution from the Tachi which was a cavalry sword, very similar in form to later era sabers. The "longsword" in this case evolved from an infantry weapon. Can't wait for the Katana Vs Messer. It's a review that's long overdue.

I havent seen this yet but looks AWSOME

Good start to the video!

I'm psyched for the Falchion episode. Also, you should look at some ancient sword designs perhaps as well. Kopesh and Kopis are two types that I appeal to me visually.

The batting the arrow aside with a sword looks impressive. I saw a youtube vid a while ago where some japanise swordmaker did the same. In reality it's easier to do this than hit a fast bowled cricket ball. Still looks realy cool though

i love how shad hands them swords like santa clause man that was wholesome

Love the show. Opening was badass!

21:00 this reminds me of a jamb saw that you use on drywall. The spring of the blade helps it start the saws cut on the face of the drywall

After bashing it you should do the apple test, like forged in fire? They line up apples slice through all of em at once.

A lot of Samurai would use a slightly blunted katana when going into battle because it would chip less when making contact with other swords and or armor, thrusting into the niches of the armor was more than enough to kill.

23:41 This video just turned into an episode of "Forged in Fire"!!!! And Tyranth just keeps busting screws... perfect!

Dude convinced me to get the Honshu blade ... Love the pattern❤❤❤

When it comes to price, I find the more mid-priced things to be the best. Over a certain dollars amount, you are rolling with the impression that more expensive equals better, which is not the case. Sometimes the price is just over inflated to take advantage of people. Mid-priced things tend to be of great quality while being honest or even humble about the actual worth of the thing.

The katana is so shiny that in most scenes it looks green because it's reflecting the grass. That's pretty neat

Function over looks. Katanas were mainly worn for decoration and as a sign of power, like the Nambu pistol.

This was awesome, id love to see more of this game