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@NewOldEBM

2 жыл бұрын

Having watched that ep and this one second, idk, i prefer this one? I feel like your disclaimer here is pretty ironclad, it's not your fault people forgot that when you mentioned their pet card and got buttmad. Also halimar depths in cascade decks, fite me

@NitpickingNerds

2 жыл бұрын

@@NewOldEBM I’ll fight you rn! Lol 😂

@NewOldEBM

2 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds but it's *FREE* and optimizes my cascades! FREEEEEEE it's not like Imoti can't go without 1 mana. Did I mention it's free?

@donnietidwell965

2 жыл бұрын

My comment on each card based on order shown Card 1 He has synergy with giants but he is the wrong color for that so if you manage to find a commander of primarily red blue and green because based on what I saw those have the best synergy with giants the worst of the three being green oddly enough but if black is in a commander of that criteria and it supports giants than yea try and prove these two wrong I won't Card 2 it can be used in a well my stuff goes on in the background deck like say you play a terrible commander simply to get the enchantment on the backside of the card that kind of deck could have a card that can save you some health in that card Card 3 it can be used in a ramp deck for say you have cards to swap cards in your hand for land cards than if you have creatures left in your hand after over ramping boom you got a way to fix up your board especially if it has an etb tutor effect Card 4 I can't say anything about that card except FREAKING RULE OF COOL or in my situation I had that card for so long it was one of my first destruction options of the few so I played it but naturalize takes it's place nowadays but I might use it again for old times sake Card 5 Umm nothing to say good nor bad because I have no experience with the card Card 6 All I can say is oh your about to board wipe hang on this card let's me play this with flash and I actually have a clone of it in my hand different names for the WIN now your creature is safe and so is mine thanks to those two enchantments oh you don't need your creature yet well I'll naturalize my creature back into play and I'll hold on to yours until you need it thanks to my card in hand to destroy the other well unless you break our deal or it's at the endgame than well you will have to waste a card on it Card 7 and card 8 Casuals like myself can get some use out of them Card 9 if it's cheap than I'll take it for a draw burn swarm fusion strat so basically if it's budget friendly than that card is ok ish Card 10 finally I have the card and I planned on using it for my tribal illusion deck that I never got around to making but otherwise it's just sitting in my box unused Card 11 if desperate for black removal I'll take it Ouch I'ma budget player Card 12 Fair Card 13 uh what's that card called uhhhh I'm legitimately trying to remember Ominecance or something like that play that in a blue infinite mana deck than boom infinite card draw it's a good card draw commander because you can play it find a way to give it haste to use it's ability bounce it after drawing than since Ominecance is still in effect play that baby again and again and again after getting your card draw that is and no I'm no sure it's actually spelled Ominecance Card 14 GIVE ME THE RAMP I NEEEEEEEEEED IT in other words desperate for ramp Card 15 it's an ok slot in card in a ramp deck if you really need tokens if you get it out early it will be a beast of a token generator once you start your ramping Card 16 So your saying I can have two number 15s in one deck Card 17 RED BLUE INFINITE MANA FOR THE WIN I'm being quite literal Card 18 and 19 you do realize there are commanders that make equip costs zero right Card 20 I mean why is that real Card 21 desperate for draw Card 22 idk Card 23 desperate for tutor Card 24 Ok now I feel target for my love for halimar depths so go ahead and suggest a better halimar depths like that's all I want same tcgplayer price better halimar depths newoldEBM that's what I like to hear lol

@donnietidwell965

2 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or did my responses get shorter and shorter the farther in the vid

You can pry Grave Titan from my cold dead hands.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Oh we will

@dougfile6644

3 жыл бұрын

Nicely on theme - Love it 👍

I purposely put grave titan in a deck after watching this.

@Socrates-yq5yg

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t see why not it’s a great card

@ifappaccino3269

3 жыл бұрын

Mirror march that titan

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

These guys are fools. All heretics must die.

@Fak3Cake

3 жыл бұрын

Demon of Catastrophes best creature in my deck

@sirmegallot3276

3 жыл бұрын

Its so so so so good. They're trippin.

"No one wins by attacking!" *laughs in eldrazi and annihilator*

@themonsterlegend3709

3 жыл бұрын

Blightsteel has entered the chat

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

Marit Lage has entered the chat

@ifappaccino3269

3 жыл бұрын

Aurelia has entered the chat

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

Skithiryx has entered the chat

@jaypib

3 жыл бұрын

It that betrays and all is dust entered the chat.

"Just wait until I untap all my amazing things," isn't that the definition of casual commander?

@xelic1996

3 жыл бұрын

Not really anymore, your average casual game is at a much higher power level than what it used to be.

@bananalord3882

3 жыл бұрын

is this really a casual commander channel? They seem to be focused pretty hard on CEDH value

@benjaminwilliams2859

3 жыл бұрын

@@bananalord3882 they seem like high power players that like to sit in on cEDH groups and have lost perspective on true casual commander. Unfortunately, a lot of people lose perspective on what casual commander is.

@jkaiuser

3 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminwilliams2859 its funny because usually, people playing on that powerlevel can already look on any of these cards and directly know if its playable, they don't need to watch the video

@MrEshed123

3 жыл бұрын

"Casual commander" is redundant. That's why CEDH isn't just called Commander.

As a longtime EDH player It really rustles my jimmies seeing you take down classic cards and slaughtering sacred cows. Acidic Slime is an MVP forever.

@todorjokic2433

3 жыл бұрын

It won me so many games with my yarok deck. Truth be told, i abuse the shit out of it in that deck. I destroy 2 lands each end step with my conjurers closet

@todorjokic2433

3 жыл бұрын

And i landlock players with deadeye drake

@SWAT6809

3 жыл бұрын

@@todorjokic2433 but thats not what they are saying. If you can abuse it, its obv doing something different.

@Yontanian

3 жыл бұрын

@@SWAT6809 they mention other cards being abused/in combos that they also considered unplayable at the higher power levels for the same reason as why AS is "unplayable". They says there are better cards out there that should be played instead. They also prefer to play targetted land distruction in the land slot, which feels like a personal preference that anything particularly "high powered vs low powered". Personally i like AS in my yarok for it's versatility too. I'm always looking for modal over focussed cards, and with yarok its worth 5cmc. In other decks, probably not so much. However my yarok is far from high powered, so the "unplayable" status probably doesn't apply here either. That's the thing about a lot of the comments on this video - i feels like lots of folk have missed the "high powered, no budget limit, our opinion may differ to yours" caveats.

@nonewmsgs

3 жыл бұрын

Butttt I need arcane lighthouse to get past their archetype of endurance lol

Grave Titan? That is a stretch. Card has feasible uses ranging from Zombie Tribal to Aristocrats...

@dozza3005

3 жыл бұрын

@Joel Chatfield it isn't like saying prosh is weak because of 0 attack kobelds at all. It's a complete lie to create such an absurd analogy. They simply said 6 mana, 2 bodies on etb and attack isn't that good. Prosh is 6 mana, 6 bodies on etb, is in your commandzone, is a sac outlet, and can go infinite as well. Cards aren't good because they can go infinite with 2 other cards, especially when your in the 99. Prosh goes infinite with food chain, there's a 2 card combo that's essentially one since he's in the commandzone. If you want a combo win, there's plenty of two card combos, which will be just more consistent then 3 card combos (generally, their are some corner cases like I can tutor for 3 cards with this one card etc.) And therefore simply better the 3 card infinite combos, or there are 3 card combos but every card is simply fine on its own, whereas playing 6 drop 3 body etb, especially in the meta these guys are talking about (7-9) is simply not good enough. Yes in a lose powered meta it does work, in a high powered meta it gets cut.

@NonProphet420

3 жыл бұрын

Notice they didn't reply to this comment.

@charyou3167

2 жыл бұрын

@@NonProphet420 probably tired of repeating the same arguments to people who don’t know how to evaluate cards.

@oreofudgeman

2 жыл бұрын

If you're using grave titan, its *probably* a zombie deck. Jet medallion plus urzas incubator plus fast mana can get this bad boy out in the mid game. I run him in my gisa deck and have been able to sac him multiple times to just crap out 6 2/2s. These guys are kinda full of shit because they're not even talking about these cards in the context that they're optimal.

@Sivarias

2 жыл бұрын

I play it in mono-black midrange. I have a planewalker subtheme, so the bodies protect my walkers as they get close to ultimate. I can, and have dropped it after a board wipe and swung for lethal because my opponents had very few cards in hand (a classic midrange/control strategy that no one seems to respect anymore). Plus the fun factor. There aren't any other mono-black cards that fill the niche that same way. Plus you are in black, so creatures mana costs are rarely relevant because of reanimate, animate dead, dance of the dead, necromancy, et. al.

I get the feeling like you guys only play with or against infinite combo decks or perhaps where people only win with non creature spells or perhaps only play cedh. This format is supposed to be casual so I feel like most of this stuff does work in loads of decks just maybe not the ones you roll with.

@morrius0757

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, they mostly speak for cEDH players, I mean, you can tell simply how they mention casual and budget decks. Tbh they seem like assholes. They have that cEDH master race feel.

@SidneyGutteridge

3 жыл бұрын

@@morrius0757 yeah I think these cards might be overrated but aren't unplayable (provided youre playing with non cedh opponents)

@EllingOftedal

3 жыл бұрын

I mean all my decks win with combat damage with no extra combat steps. Many of the cards in this list are cards I love and play. Of course, I could build stronger decks but that is not the way I love to play magic.

@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299

3 жыл бұрын

Typically my favorite decks I make are extremely flexible and can win 3 different ways: commander damage, creature damage, combo. When I first started playing EDH it was with a CEDH group and you kind of quickly realize that out of thousands of cards there is really a ''handfull'' of actually ''good'' cards for CEDH, 95% of which is blue LOL. I realized also though that those sort of players are so hung up on combos they rarely have decent defense so I went with a Ultra aggressive budget (at the time) Xenagos build and in 1-3 hits average took out my opponents. Rarely did they ever steal Xenagos because I kept the devotion down and usually only had 1 or 2 creatures out in case of the regular board wipe, never put down a bunch of creatures, always try to keep some in hand ready to fill the vacant space (smart aggro player). Part of the problem my opponents realized was they couldn't waste all their removal on my stuff they needed it to stop each others combos. Sure I didn't always win but I was surprised how often I did ;P

@TalamarAmV

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you I think they are out of touch with the casual format of Commander/Edh. While some of these are little overrated and fan faves but very few of these are bad cards.

Some of these cards make sense. Others, they are very good in specific decks that can abuse them. In essence, a lot of the unplayable cards are playable, they just aren't universally playable.

@geraldsinclair9852

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Most of these cards are also "if budget is not taken into account..." - well even if you're not strictly speaking a budget player, you don't have money for phyrexian arena in each deck and the will to switch 5 cards in each deck before playing a game

My meta is so full of low-powered flavor jank, that not only are some of cards on this list playable, they frequently run away with and win games. Keep in mind that Commander is played very differently by different groups of people. :)

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah totally, like we say in the video anyone's personal preference completely trumps our opinions on these cards

@natenicholberg7328

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds Definitely. I appreciate your perspective on the format even though we play it differently. Good video!

@Npocommander

3 жыл бұрын

I just like nick picking at them lol,

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Love it

@Npocommander

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds a good channel and unlike most channels you read and reply to your comments

Anyone else watch this video just to see what cards they mentioned that you play?

@orgazmo686971

3 жыл бұрын

It's hard not to disagree with a video of this type. Even if they talked about truly horrible cards that see no play - like a vanilla 2/2 for 5 mana, someone somewhere would say "but it goes in my tribal deck" and they'd have a case. But that's not what they did - they talked about popular cards, which makes the Nitpicking Nerds inherently wrong. If they had said overrated, fine whatever. But unplayable + staples = WTF

@EJsGameplay

3 жыл бұрын

More than a few, but it won't hurt me to try cutting them and see if I have better results or not before chewing them out immediately.

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

@@orgazmo686971 Yes hubris is the death of men.

@extremehauntergaming_

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, like I like my archetype of endurance in my $200 budget animar eldrazi tribal deck, mainly because I don’t want to get blown out by murder or something (because haste and trample givers mean that board wipes can’t stop you at sorcery speed). And Warstorm Surge is a second Flayer of the Hatebound in my Marchesa deck, so I don’t even need to untap.

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

@@extremehauntergaming_ You don't have to defend yourself against these guys, lol.

“You can’t win a commander game with just attackers” My Isshin deck disagrees

@SchmandigerWilli

2 жыл бұрын

My Aurelia deck too

@Talthain

2 жыл бұрын

My Wyleth deck is in agreement.

@planetak.

Жыл бұрын

My korvold deck too

@KojiroNoGanryu

Жыл бұрын

Zada rolling someone for 120 damage on turn 4 also disagrees.

@thomasburry5680

Жыл бұрын

My Kaalia deck disagree's

Some of them I was agreeing with, some slightly disagreeing with, but still could see your points. Until you said that Arcane Lighthouse is unplayable. WHAT? How do you figure that when things like Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots are used so often to protect important pieces? It’s a land that still taps for mana, doesn’t come into play tapped, and only cost 2 essentially, to strip hexproof/shroud from a major threat. And it’s repeatable. It would be different if you had to sacrifice the land, but it sticks around. I just don’t get your reasoning there. After that I questioned your judgment a bit more.

@joshuaspector8182

3 жыл бұрын

Lol this. I was about to type about swiftfoots and lightning greaves. I feel like they are in a vacuum with all these. Like the argentum armor rant. I have a deck where i'd cheat it in and equip it without an unreasonable setup. Dont think they consider much of like other ways like not on the card.

@kk_33

3 жыл бұрын

Arcane Lighthouse + Fumble You're welcome 😊 🙏

@Knightfall8

3 жыл бұрын

It may just be that we're playing in different kinds of edh pods, but... while greaves and boots have an impact, theyve never been clutch for any games Ive played. The games Ive played run the good boardwipes like deluge, rift, etc and other stuff that either doesnt target, OR the thing the player clearly wants to play and protect with greaves will just get countered

@id10t_err0r4

3 жыл бұрын

My group has an uriel player that spams board wipes because umbra armor makes them not matter to him if we can't get rid of hexproof we basically don't get to play

@ifappaccino3269

3 жыл бұрын

There is the shadowspear over arcane lighthouse

i love how a good amount of these cards are somewhat staples

@batmanwins5701

3 жыл бұрын

Such spicy conversation fodder!!

@EJsGameplay

3 жыл бұрын

Or used to be. Power creep happens, strategies evolve, things become obsolete.

@morrius0757

3 жыл бұрын

@@EJsGameplay in cEDH yeah, but I don't think most people play competitive. I think most people like it for the casual aspect.

@itzmagictime8824

3 жыл бұрын

I run hero downfall effects cuz there's an Animatou Prison deck in my playgroup

@itzmagictime8824

3 жыл бұрын

Maze of ith is good in pillowrort

Are you sure "unplayable" = "it can't win you on your next turn"? Mana cost is definitely a factor that could make a card "weaker", but I wouldn't equate that with "unplayable", consider there are so many ways to cheat expensive cards into play in EDH. And, some of the cards you mentioned are quite useful in mono-color decks, when you can't delve into other colors for extra effects, such as Hero's Downfall.

@trumpetperson11

3 жыл бұрын

How many removal spells are you playing that you need downfall? Sounds like you are going to one for one yourself into a hole. Also, all of the expensive cards that were "unplayable" where labeled that because there were many other cards that are either a) the same mana but better (like please don't tell me you are wasting your reanimate on Archetype of endurance), b) there are cards that are cheaper that do most of what the expensive one can do, or c) the effect is way overrated. The only cards I would say are debatable on the list would be: RSD, Rampaging Baloths, and maybe Acidic slime if you want a flickerable way to hit lands.

@Cyberium

3 жыл бұрын

​@@trumpetperson11 Toshiro Umezawa is one place I'd play Heroic Downfall, an extra trigger for his ability to use black instants in his graveyard. And no, I don't use Archetype of Endurance either, but that doesn't change what I said: There are ways to cheat in expensive cards in EDH that mana cost could be a hindrance, but not enough to make a card unplayable. And yes, some cards on their list are definitely not worthwhile for its cost, even if they could be cheated into play. Some, like Acidic Slime, isn't as "unplayable" as they described. R-Sage may cheaper, but Slime is a good duplicate with two extra effects, and a preferable cloning target if you have a chance to kill lands.

The title for this video is misleading. It should've been "cards that we don't recommend for cEDH, but are reasonably playable otherwise". :/

@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow

3 жыл бұрын

Thats the only way they can get views. Charisma and unique content? Naw just bait them.

@kellorol89

3 жыл бұрын

My exact thoughts

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Balázs Gyekiczki I mean we mention shat meta we are talking about and as content creator we are task with getting people to click the video that is literally part of our jobs.

@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds No, your job is to be charismatic, entertaining, unique, and informative (which you have utterly failed at). Your job is to NOT get people to just click on your video. But I guess thats why you have barely any subscribers or viewers while others just talk in front of a camera with no other setup and get 10x the viewership

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

ScatterBrained well you seem to be set in hating us so there no point in having this conversation. Have a great day.

I bet ya'll lost to these cards, lmao.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Pynes we have lost to some of these cards and I have lost to much worse cards. It doesn’t effect my opinions on the cards.

@ifappaccino3269

3 жыл бұрын

Or lost because it was a dead card for thier decks

@elipetrou9308

3 жыл бұрын

I killed my friend with a 100/100 viscera seer fetched with a finale of devastation.

@jarrybryant718

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds But you just claimed there are worse cards does that make them undervalued?

@ggr4010

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds I love that your logic is "So many people disagree with me about this card...THEY must be wrong.....such fucking arrogance......guess it comes from being a "protected" class

There are quite a few of your picks that I would argue have homes in certain decks. It's hard to say a card has 0 homes if there's 2-3 decks that want the card. I think most of the cards you mentioned have multiple decks that want them.

@andrewsparkes8829

3 жыл бұрын

Most of them do: the equipment in free-equip decks, the fatties in reanimation decks, etc. These guys are the ones playing low-powered, shitty Magic if they think you need to use actual mana to pay for their casting/equip/etc. Someone needs to tell them "put cards onto the battlefield from your hand/deck/graveyard" effects exist...their minds will be BLOWN!

@monomanamaniac

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewsparkes8829 like acidic slime in a blink deck. Or maze of ith, which is an answer card against voltron. Or archetype of endurance in an enchantress deck. Or narset of the ancient way in a toolbox non-creatures matter deck like kykar. Or explosive vegetation in a landfall deck. And those equipment in a deck like Balan, Wandering knight is extremely effective, or any voltron deck running sidarda's aid or hammer of nazahn. Liliana of the dark realms, which is actually secretly amazing because its land draw in black that turns into ramp. Runescarred demon in reanimater decks

@Skel_cat63

3 жыл бұрын

One of my friends has a Tatyova deck with Rampaging Baloth in it. That thing pretty much makes 4-6 tokens almost immediately in that deck. While it doesn't provide immediate value, they utilize it as soon as they play it. Some of these cards just have different homes. And while not the best card ever, it is perfectly serviceable. Trust me, getting mowed down by an army of 4/4's ain't pretty lol

@monomanamaniac

3 жыл бұрын

@@Skel_cat63 I personally run rampaging baoloths in many of my landfall decks because if you can sink 2 or more lands in a turn it's amazing

@Skel_cat63

3 жыл бұрын

@@monomanamaniac exactly my point. Some cards fit more decks than others. Not every card has to be super amazing in literally every deck (*cough cough* sol ring *cough cough*).

Arcanis the Omnipotent is VERY playable in Mairsil, the Pretender decks. It both draws cards and protects/bounces Mairsil and enables him to cage more stuff. Archetype of Endurance is an ok card in Mayael and Kinnan-like decks because it is always cheated out and it protects your thing that cheats other things out. Argentum armor is a cool card for Nahiri and Balan decks. The rest of the list is on point :)

@martinarnold4999

3 жыл бұрын

If you’re at the game state where you can cheat out an 8 drop, hopefully you can think of a better card than that. Edit - Which, was their point too.

Wow, this was the vídeo from you guys that I most dissgree. I surely agree that in high powered games this cards ano not good, but in more casual games and in especific commanders some of this cards rocks. Liliana can easily ultimate in a Yawgmoth deck, and If you reach her's emblem and untap is gg.

@RobMedellin

3 жыл бұрын

"and untap" hahhah that made me laugh, because that's what they said, many are good after working with them and still wait. In any case I do find myself agreeing with you on the first part of your Comment

@SlainOracle

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobMedellin an emblem waiting for untap is different than a creature waiting for untap

@RobMedellin

3 жыл бұрын

@@SlainOracle it's in some cases, but not in others, mainly if your turn never comes, or if your hand gets discarded and you can't take advantage of the emblem/creature ability, etc. What the video says is that it's better to focus on cards that immediately make a difference and not cards that will make a difference later on

@6slade

3 жыл бұрын

to be fair they prefaced the whole video by saying that this is for high power, with little/no budget restrictions, so of course in much more casual low power decks these are considerable.

@HomeCookinMTG

3 жыл бұрын

You know they start the video by saying that this video is not talking about lower powered decks...So you don't actually disagree with them...

Your saying that you're referencing higher power commander yet 3/4 of the cards you go over don't even break 10% playability or even in popular decks: grave titan (7%) empyrial archangel (0%) Vraska (6%), archetype of endurance (4% ), arcane lighthouse (3%), pillar of origins (1%), maze of ith (4%), arcanis (4%), canopy baloth (0% LITTERALLY 1 DECK) argentum armour (2%), darksteel plate (4%). Of these are actually good picks, as they are actually played with popular commanders (though some not high powered, but popular): acidic slime (18% yarok), zendikar resurgent (14% zacama), narset of the ancient way (1% bralin / shabraz, gavi, kykar) Heroes downfall (7% toshiro but really he plays any black spell), explosive vegetation (16% despite having 3 function printings of cards that are just better - r/g omnath), rampaging baloth (10% lord windgrace), warstorm surge (10% omnath / ilharg), oblivion ring (9% probably inflated due to precons). I'm not going to bother with the rest as it just looks more of the same. Listen, you're proposing initially that these are supposed to be highly played cards in popular decks. Half of these cards are actually bad at a casual level let alone "higher powered". Some even dipping to 2-1-0%. What's the point of discussing a card like pillar of origins if it's played by 1% of people. Instead; Use some data, reference popular commanders, challenge cards in archetypes. (like you did with explosive vegetation or grave titan w/ nim deathmantle). Those were great. Theres so many tools to find out what are the top played cards / commanders it just feels like you've compiled a list of unplayable cards in their niche scenarios.

@ballzock1039

3 жыл бұрын

Just because a card is popular doesn't mean it's good 🤷🏽‍♂️

I think you're coming at this from a purely optimized cedh angle and most players don't play like that.

@lanevisual

2 жыл бұрын

They are trolling so hard :-D this Video was great for the KZread algorithm! It triggert so many people.

@hellraiser5671

2 жыл бұрын

@@lanevisual That's the most vapid response I could possibly think of.

@charyou3167

2 жыл бұрын

This is talking about decks probably around a 5-6 no where close to cedh

This video makes me really miss when commander was a home for jankey high mana cost cards that didn't have a home anywhere else. A time when games didn't end before turn 7 and really wakey interactions happened.

@KonaKreator

2 жыл бұрын

Me too. Haven't played commander since m14 and gotta say, commander has really changed and I'm not sure if it's for the better :/

@dgreenlonghorn1

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds boring… T1: play land; pass T2: play land + play ramp; pass T3: play land + probably play a creature; pass That’s three turns where you literally do NOTHING besides play a card and pass. Whereas now you can do stuff like this: T1: play land, play mana crypt, play 3-drop T2: play land, tap mana crypt for arcane signet, play another 3 drop, swing for damage T3: etc There’s so much more to do in early games in modern commander.

@BubbleMoth

Жыл бұрын

@@dgreenlonghorn1 the line you just described was available before 2010. I think what people are unhappy with is just the feeling of a format unnoticed by wizards. The joy of discovering hidden gems from throughout Magic’s history that happen to be good in your deck. Or having to choose cards that weren’t the best because it’s all you had. Now, there are recently printed cards that are just better than anything else

@thewizardsarena7262

Жыл бұрын

@@dgreenlonghorn1 T1: play land, play mana crypt, play 3-drop T2: play land, tap mana crypt for arcane signet, play another 3 drop, swing for damage T3: etc My group got so sick of mana crypt and mana vault we banned them. Basically, if it's banned in legacy, we banned it in commander.

"Argentum armor is worthless because you'll never equip it" *laughs in Syr Gwyn*

@gaweinlyondree1859

3 жыл бұрын

yeah i mean i dont play it in gwyn but itts rly good in there. i play a sunforger control gwyn.

@saladtop8499

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Pure steel paladin

@mickaelslavich4123

3 жыл бұрын

YES BROTHER.

@antonio2708

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, this looked like obvious to me, if you use Argentum Armor, or other things "Unplayable" is because it is playable in your deck. For example, I never saw anyone pay the equip cost to attach Argentum Armor.

@user-fz2ef6ls2k

3 жыл бұрын

Laughs in Ardenn

It is so interesting to come back to this video after watching the "we lowered our power level" video. For a long time, watching most commander centric videos where "make your deck stronger" " here is how to win." I get it, anyone can build those decks, follow a meta, tutor for exact cards, counter the counterspels, etc. Where magic gets really fun, for me, is when someone had an idea for a deck, pieces it together, playtests and finetunes. You will get so much more enjoyment out of seeing the changes you made pull through and work out. Any deck that is just waiting for one of any number of infinite combos is boring af and does not make for a fun experience. It isn't exploring all of what magic has to offer, it is just playing "who finds their combo first." Commander has 99 cards that cannot repeat for a reason. There should be multiple interworking parts to overcome on offense and defense.

@thewizardsarena7262

Жыл бұрын

I love playing commanders, where people are like what does he do??? Well, he is called Stonebrow, Krosan Hero, and he is in my trample deck 90% of the creatures have trample in here, and he gives all trample creatures +2 / +2 at the beginning of combat, and he has trample too. According to EDH rec, there are 250 decks with him as the commander.

*Consistently wins with Jor Kareen and Ur-dragon stompy* yes highly unlikely to win with combat. Attacking is a part of the game, you can't just rule it out mostly.

I dunno, I play a lot of these cards for specific deckbuilding reasons. For example, I play both Acidic Slime and Reclamation Sage in a Muldrotha deck because they're different CMCs to pod for. I play Zendikar Resurgent in GW enchantress deck because with Whitemane Lion it lets me draw my whole deck. I guess I feel like the list should be "20 cards that are not auto-includes".

Hmm this video felt mean spirited. A lot of these are older cards that people played a lot in the past and have a place in people’s hearts. And any equipment deck worth it’s salt has dozens of ways to equip Argentum Armour for free.

Jesus all of these are actually playable cards. Not even just in niche cases, but like, in a lot of just monocolor decks, or any deck that is on theme for that card. Yeah Grave Titan sucks... unless you use him in a deck with graveyard recursion where his mana cost means nothing. Or in a zombie deck where his zombie synergy is super nice. Or in a monoblack aristcrat deck that wants recurrable tokens to sac. Like, is your gameplay so two dimensional that you can't think of several great places for literally all of these cards?

@diegoaguirre5305

3 жыл бұрын

im thinking the same, once they got to the demon i just lost it, and stoped watching

@eric0967

3 жыл бұрын

they are many better targets for reanimate. they are talking about optimized, hi powered decks. grave titan doesnt win you the game like kokusho, grey merchant, exsanguinate, torment of hail fire, potean hulk, mikaeus. there is no room in the 6+ drops for grave titan. i question the power level of your deck if you had room to fit a grave titan into it. grave titan is the type of card you start cutting first when powering up a deck.

@marginis

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric0967 0:46 disagrees

@diegoaguirre5305

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric0967 i got all those black cards you said in my gonti.....and i actually cut grave titan first... but the other ones.... damn.... as @marginis said...all those cards have niche applications and even when liliana sometimes does nothing, the ceiling is too great to ignore(at worst is an attack avoided and 2 devotion to black) and dont get me started on the demon....

@kevinj4002

3 жыл бұрын

@@eric0967 grave titan + ashnods altar+ nim deathmantle = infinite etbs/death triggers/ zombies but whatever you say bud lol

Rampaging Baloths would make a copy of itself if you have more than 8 lands, if it was designed today.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Probably!

“Doesn’t get around board wipes” *the card does get around board wipes*

@skykur

3 жыл бұрын

not cyclonic rift, toxic deluge, terminus, or winds of abandon

@Fak3Cake

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't get around the "black crocodile from Amonket boardwipe"

@lukehull8865

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fak3Cake anguish

@moop6667

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fak3Cake bontu’s last reckoning

These guys are talking about cEDH and complaining about budget staples? Okeee

@morgl9478

3 жыл бұрын

They are definitely not talking about cEDH, just a higher power than 6 mana do nothing cards

@excelexe9421

3 жыл бұрын

@@morgl9478 exactly you see all these comments about cedh but these guys are just talking about cards that aren't good in power level 6+ which is a pretty broad spectrum and is mostly just upper mid power level.

I had someone scoop to acidic slime hitting the stack with Yarok and PANHARMONICON on board. For that one reason alone I keep slime in the deck.

@Naturessightsandsounds7040

3 жыл бұрын

Wow thats really boring 3 etb removal triggers big deal.

@evanelliott8231

3 жыл бұрын

@@Naturessightsandsounds7040 thank you

@jimbeamer5145

3 жыл бұрын

@@evanelliott8231 yarok is the most boring commander ever made.

@evanelliott8231

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimbeamer5145 I would take that up with WOtc. I didn’t print Yarok, also I raise you Golos as a more boring commander. I have him too.

Ok so question about Vraska the Unseen. I play it in my Volrath deck witch has a heavy proliferate package. So I have several times played her used her -7 had Volrath copy the token and swing in on heavy life gain decks. Is this not synergy?

When I clicked on this video title, I thought it was going to be a silly list talking about cards like Battle of Wits. I agree with a few of the cards here, like argentum armor, bad Vraska, and Lilliana. But when you start saying that card X is bad because it costs 6-7 mana and doesn't instantly win you the game, you are much closer to cEDH level than you'd like to admit. That's fine if you want to play that way, but some playgroups like mine enjoy what commander was a few years ago, as a big mana format where games will often go for many turns. When your mentality is that all mana ramp should be 3cmc or less, and tapping 6 mana to play Grave Titan (won't say on turn 6 because it's probably sooner than that with ramp), means that your opponent will spend their turn wiping your board and instantly killing you, that's more of a cEDH mentality.

@MESS1802

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Commander is great about letting you get value out of big mana cards that other formats don’t because they’re much faster paced. Just because something costs a lot of mana, doesn’t mean it’s bad.

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

26:00 Oh sorry me stupid baby. I hate how they talk down on us like we're some sort of mentally defective child.

@batmanwins5701

3 жыл бұрын

@@culturalliberator9425 perhaps you have a deep seeded inferiority complex and you are just projecting your insecurities and mistaking the rejection of these card as a rejection of yourself?

@batmanwins5701

3 жыл бұрын

@@MESS1802 but something that costs less is better.

@culturalliberator9425

3 жыл бұрын

@@batmanwins5701 Excuse me? How in the world did you get that from that? Their demeanor comes of that way and just because someone bigger and better is watching doesn't somehow change the fact. This video in a vacuum doesn't give them a good look. Even if I'm taking this personally that doesn't discredit my argument.

Seems like these guys have never heard of RAMP.

@charyou3167

3 жыл бұрын

They probably just ramp into good cards.

I feel like commanders quarters might be the only channel that is friendly to non-cedh players

@nijimazero

3 жыл бұрын

The Nitpicking Nerds is not a cedh channel. In fact, I don't see how you can think that if you ever played a game of cedh in your life.

@LordErebusBloodmoon

3 жыл бұрын

@@nijimazero Well it's definently not budget or medium power level friendly

@nijimazero

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordErebusBloodmoon Well, they also make videos to help if you are on a budget. See their budget bomb videos. And it depends what you call "medium" level. They give pieces of advice to play at 7/8/9 power levels (on their scale, to see what they mean by that exactly, see their video on power levels). What I call "medium" power level is 5/6/7 so for me, their channel is useful even at some level of medium power level play. Of course if "medium" power level for you is 4/5/6, then yeah, their channel is not for medium power level. But it's definitively not a cedh channel.

@charyou3167

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordErebusBloodmoon this video is perfect for mid to higher, like 5-7ish range.

They don't seem to understand ramp with a lot of spells. Even combo decks in cedh have artifact ramp that can have 7 or more mana first turn.

@anguishedcarpet

2 жыл бұрын

tell me how you're getting 7 or more mana t1 without a deck that costs as much as a nice car lmao

@jimbomctimbo1610

2 жыл бұрын

Even if cedh decks are ramping that hard they are winning the game not playing any of these cards

A lot of the cards you "nit picked" about are cards that get cheated out one way or another, or get reanimated directly from the graveyard for a much cheaper price. Yall act like anyone is paying 7 mana for a Rune Scarred Demon or 6 for Grave Titan is hysterical.

@charyou3167

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but if you’re cheating out cards, and the mana cost doesn’t matter you can just cheat out good cards.

@V2ULTRAKill

2 жыл бұрын

I mean if youre cheating out a tutor demon its not rune scarred Its razaketh

Having never heard of this channel I don't know if it's a schtick, but the arrogant nerd thing doesn't play over very well. Perhaps throw in some images with the card replacements for the few you mentioned.

@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow

3 жыл бұрын

No its not, theyre really just that arrogant

@masterthnag105

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow their channel growth will probably stagnate because of that.

@ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow

3 жыл бұрын

@@masterthnag105 hopefully. Arrogance and asshole type personalities for entertainment are the worst. Charisma, humor, and intelligence is where it’s at

still want to play Warstorm Surge and Rampaging Baloths in my Omnath, Locus of Rage deck. They go in faster then 6 turn cuz ramp is the main goal for the deck. But must consider that Terror of the Peaks great new card for this deck. Easy Where Ancients Tread cut

@Dubi264

3 жыл бұрын

I cut baloths a while ago because it doesn't make elementals, but I want all the warstorm surges I can get. If there is one home for that card, it's Locus of Rage

Grave titan is one of my top 5 favorite cards. Its just so much fun. I run it in my yarok deck. All my decks try to win by combat though so I lose a lot.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Hey if you're having fun that's way more important!

@alfascorpi

3 жыл бұрын

Robert Tanney surely he is in my Scarab God zombie deck

@Npocommander

3 жыл бұрын

I have one mill, one zombie sac and kill, 3 that I burn my creatures and they kill u, 21 swing and kill

@batmanwins5701

3 жыл бұрын

Halimar depths in yuriko!?

@Dubi264

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like yarok works for a bunch of these "unplayable cards" particularly funescarred demon

I play foil murders in all my decks with black it’s one of my favorite cards lol what should I be running for single target removal in black instead?

I was thinking about putting vraska in a gorm and virtus deck, because that deck already wants to push small creatures through that do massive devastating effects, would it still be unplayable in that deck?

Acidic Slime in my Roon Blink deck is amazing. being able to nuke all lands and artifacts and enchantments with cards like panharmonicon and cards that can repeat blink, can do some crazy damage to people.

i love grave titan not only for it's art and effect, but it's amazing for zombie tribal

@jimbomctimbo1610

2 жыл бұрын

It's ok

greetings, my commander play group has consider play with proxy (3 per deck). i am running a ghave guru deck +1/+1 counter-aristrocats-tokens (my collection dont support one full archetype) and beside skullclamp (for sure) and bitterblossom (maybe) with other cards u suggest sometimes have problems with card draw but a phyrexian arena would be a waste of proxy. wich card u can recommend me

Have arcane of the omnipotent in my experiment deck, I hear the argument but if you have infinite mana is it still unplayable?

I've never seen a deck with Rampaging Baloths in it play it after turn 4, or after they have enough mana to combo the turn It comes in

Rune-scarred demon is a good reanimation target. Also it finds ephemerate which flickers it twice for your next turn.

Is archetype of endurance good in Animar? I run it and usually I'm only spending like 2 or 3 mana to cast it...

Should I take Hallimar depths out of my God Eternal Kefnet deck? It's not like I go infinite with it or anything

Sorry, but the different audio levels between you two really turns me off the video.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

We will try and fix that for the next one thanks for letting us know 👍

@ujai5271

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds cheers, sorry if the comment came off as harsh. Audio is just pretty important to me, and I have never had this issue with your videos.

There are definitely layers to card analysis that they are not considering for most of these xD I don't think they're too good at this type of thing.

@charyou3167

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, their being way too nice about these cards.

So why can't i change all the lands into creatures and edict sac them in commander?

What about runnung darksteel plate in specifically Sigarda voltron? i have found making her indestructible makes her really hard to hit except by settle the wreckage and toxic deluge

Runescarred Demon is pretty nice for Kaalia, blink decks, decks that like demons, etc. It's really an anti combo meta thing. If you're not going to be going off with instant win combo, it's just more likely people let it slide.

The elf decks that I’ve play against rely solely on attacking and they win pretty consistently.

@LilBouzy

3 жыл бұрын

I'm building Grand Warlord Radha elfball and I love that she rewards you for attacking by ramping you forward and allowing even bigger elfballs each turn

@Fiskie666

2 жыл бұрын

But they also boring 😔

I have my doubts regarding Rampaging Baloths tbh. I'm playing Adrix and Nev as my commander, the deck has a lot of landfall synergies and I feel like I could use one more land in place of Rampaging Baloths. Field of the Dead comes to mind first. Thoughts?

What's a better alternative to hero's downfall in dimir? I already run deadly rollick. I guess another counter?

@NitpickingNerds

2 жыл бұрын

We are pretty big fans of Snuff Out as well

Starts off the list with one of the best mono black cards in the entire format wtf? Not to mention it’s in 7% of ALL decks in the format

@charyou3167

2 жыл бұрын

They started with grave Titan not any good mono black card.

I'll have you know that murder is an amazing card in my free starter deck. I kept it as a meme in all my black decks cause I think its absolutely hilarious you can CAST "murder". Like "I cast gun."

Wait how do you destroy a planeswalker without attacking and wasting a removal on it especially since planeswalkers are not good in EDH expect for a very few of them?

What do you guys think about playing acidic slime in Neyith?

“She should be unseen at commander tables” 😂

I like this video, and I get that you might be talking about cEDH instead of regular commander - and I definitely see the arguments for a lot of these. But I also feel like the arguments for some of them are not very well-thought out and assumes that every deck is just a hodge-podge of random good stuff cards with no synergy or themes. Cards like Arcanis and Rune-Scarred Demon are obviously great reanimate targets, Rune-Scarred moreso since it's ETB but Arcanis would be great with Sedris as an example. The argument that a "better" card exists is a weird way to state that a card is unplayable - maybe a deck would want to run both Demonic Tutor and Rune-Scarred Demon?

Anyone got any suggestions on a good commander for a deck with 20 Relentless Rats besides Patron of the Nezumi? It's a card I've REALLY wanted to use in commander and I'm always open to suggestions.

@nitpicking nerds what can I replace my halimar depths with?

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

The Old Maid 😂

I had a Golos deck that was focused entirely around activating its active ability as much as possible, but without infinite mana combos because that's just uncool. It run every single mana doubler it could, which is to say all of them. It wasn't good, simply because it would become the archenemy of the entire table by default, but damn it was fun.

@fickett7870

3 жыл бұрын

so put cards that shut your opponents off like creature teferi and knowledge pool/ possibility storm. It will no longer matter if you become arch enemy because they wont be able to do anything about it anymore.

Grave Titan unplayable?? Six mana isn't hard with a Dark Ritual and mana rocks. I regularly have mine out by turn 4, who cares why it has deathtouch, it can still trade off with so bigger creatures. It's used in zombie decks that have no problem reanimating creature So you're paying six mana for 3 creatures, 2 of which are 90% of the time getting additional buffs from the many zombie tribal, a 6/6 body that can trade for anything bigger. Each attack it adds to the board, and if goes in the graveyard it's guaranteed to come back giving you that same additional 2 creatures on drop and 2 more each attack. Unplayable my ass. Is it competitive?? Maybe but easily dealt with in that the environment. But for your average edh game hell yes it is. Outside of a zombie deck it isn't effective, I'll agree but where it is effective it's pretty sweet.

@Atlas_Invictus

3 жыл бұрын

I love it in my Ayara, First of Locthwain deck. a 6/6 with two more 2/2 bodies that make the table lose three life and gain me three as a result is great :)

@chaisutton2153

3 жыл бұрын

Yea they took an L obviously is you’re running grave titan you’re gonna get it from your graveyard never are you going to hardcast it

@eric0967

3 жыл бұрын

they are many better targets for reanimate. they are talking about optimized, hi powered decks. grave titan doesnt win you the game like kokusho, grey merchant, exsanguinate, torment of hail fire, potean hulk, mikaeus. there is no room in the 6+ drops for grave titan. i question the power level of your deck if you had room to fit a grave titan into it. grave titan is the type of card you start cutting first when powering up a deck.

@TheyCallHimPogo

3 жыл бұрын

I'd agree with that. I wouldn't run a grave titan in a reanimator deck either.

@charyou3167

2 жыл бұрын

Actually a resolved grave titan would be harder to deal with in cedh not a ton of spot removal or wrath’s once you get to that power level. If everyone is stopped from winning the game it would probably just take over which is funny to think about. But no the card is just bad in anything higher then idk a 5 power level

I play maze in a 69 land deck (that I have a morph board to make more competitive based on who I'm playing with) where I also play a few ways for non-mana producing lands to produce mana. I think it's a solid roleplayer there but if the reserved list is ever abolished I would replace it with tabernacle. What do you think of the equivalents ?(Kor haven, prahv)

I think the reason Vraska got added to decks is because Carth the Lion just got printed, and you probably just play every single planeswalker you can in those colours

17:20 ... I really gotta disagree here. Thaumatic Compass is NON the same as Maze of Ith (in it's flipped state). I can count a handful of commanders and creatures that benefit your side when you can't attack in, without risk of losing said threat. I don't need to describe an effect like Primeval Titan with a Maze of Ith. There was a reason that card was banned. There are plenty of other attack triggers you can benefit from.

Vraska like all planeswalkers are diplomatic targets to use as a misdirection

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

That's a costly misdirection haha but of course to each their own!

@electricblue2920

3 жыл бұрын

I run mine in Ninjas. Easy unblockable... i also got acidic slime in Ninjas

@Npocommander

3 жыл бұрын

The honest truth I collect planeswalkers since I stopped playing standard back in battle for zendikar, and now my whole purpose is to build edh decks and fit in planeswalker, built a mono red for my collection of chandras

I agree on Grave titan in general, but I think there could be places still. What about grave titan in araumi? Encoring him out will create 3-4 titans with ETB and haste to attack at once. Creating a total of 12-16 2/2 zombies depending on player count. Is that still not good enough to include?

What would be a good substitute for cards like baloths, avenger of zendikar, and omnath in lands matter decks?

@nolanmartin4813

3 жыл бұрын

CEDH rocks and fetches.

@charyou3167

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve built a lot of lands matters decks and mostly just win with the lands. I never bother with those expensive spells and just use more cards that tutor lands or gives you more land drops then you kill people with field of the dead/marit lage tokens and other land specific wincons. You can also randomly stripmine people out of the game. Currently in my uro list the only cards I’m playing that cost more that 3 are Oracle of mul daya, scapeshift and the cryptic command for mystic Sanctuary shenanigans. Radha and archelos only had scapeshift tho they probably should have both had Oracle in them 4 mana is just a lot tho.

Ahahah the first card is in my favorite deck, but honestly i feel that Grave Titan is perfect in my Ghoulcaller Gisa deck ! 😁 Anyway, great video guys!

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeh!

@adamkruse8453

3 жыл бұрын

That’s where I have grave Titan too!

I put Underworld Connections on my The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, 90's power meets 2012 bulk rare

Would arcanis be playable if it had haste?

Would Maze of Ith’s ability work with Willbreaker? That is the only thing that I can see Maze of Ith working with.

I looked at Pillar of Origins for my Dinosaur deck, actually. And then I reminded myself Atla Palani was my commander, so I wouldn't even be casting my dinosaurs.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah plus any instant or sorcery doesn't work :(

I run Hero's Downfall in Toshiro Umezawa. It's the best home for the card. Would Defile be better? I like the list for the most part. Nice video. Tribe scout out. See ya.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Oooo Defile is a card I've kind of been eyeing as a spot removal spell. Honestly Snuff Out and Deadly Rollick are probably better than it, but Defile might be next on that list

What about a counter deck with vraska. If you run counters. Tokens go hand and hand. Ahe enters 10/10 with doubling season than drop 6 1/1 or if you have parallel lives or anointed precession ? Vraska is nasty nasty just need to know when to use her.

I get that Archetype of Endurance is too expensive but what about Asceticism? I use it in voltron decks.

o_o Yo you throwing shade at my boi Grave Titan??? Aight, time to catch these hands!

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

We are throwing MAD shade! Come at us Gravy T

Baloths is a decent card. It's more like play it on turn 5, make 4 land drops, ket 4 purphoros triggers. Same with warstorm surge. Play it, then get 6 free creatures off Animar.

@assassinace2110

2 жыл бұрын

i have a meme deck of ashaya, man, making at least 8 4/4 creatures is fun, btw same turn as summoned

Do you stream games? I'd like to see the decks you're playing and those pods.

Man im working on figuring out what to do with a Marth precon ive had for YEARS but haven't messed with too much and both baloths and warstorm are in there. Thanks for opening up two slots.

Oblivion isnt that bad in Brago if you do the "permanently" exile trick.. SO much for "unplayable cards" . Rune Scarred Demon is so good in Kaalia.. but again you seems to have forgotten about it DO you want me to continue on adding to the playable list.. Because I can continue "nitpicking" on you.. So much for the clickbaiting title

@caterinagerbasi1594

3 жыл бұрын

they mention Kaalia! they dont give any good reason as to way its bad in the deck (just play demonic tutor! I will. And I will also play this 6 6 big boy) Like Rune Scar is not stealing a slot from demonic tutor.

@munsulight721

3 жыл бұрын

@@caterinagerbasi1594 it is still a free tutor in kaalia.. (the "cedh" version of kaalia plays it ) and adding more tutor density In the Kaalia deck is never a bad thing. . You Will still play D Tutor, v tutor, etc So you cant say it is unplayable..

@caterinagerbasi1594

3 жыл бұрын

@@munsulight721 Exactly! altrough sadly Kaalia is not cEDH material anymore her deck is still plenty powerfull and uses that runed boy.

@munsulight721

3 жыл бұрын

@@caterinagerbasi1594 She is still on the database, albeit being really really fringe.. So many lines with Breach, WGD, Dockside, etc. I just dont like the elitism of something not being cEDH these days..(nothing against you) . You still play what you enjoy in cEDH IMO if you get the right mindset, wincons, cards

@caterinagerbasi1594

3 жыл бұрын

@@munsulight721 oh yeah absolutly. something that confuses me about this video and sometimes the command zone is that... commander is a mostly casual format. cEDH already solved whats the most powerfull strategies are. I dont understand why casual commander (even higher powered casual) are adopting cEDH mentality as if cEDH is not already a thing. its a format so group-meta dependant that there are not actually good suggestion for cards "that you should always take out of your decks" without context.

Zendikar Resurgent is a lot better when youre casting it on turn 3 off ramp :P I still run it in some of my decks but I've definitely leaned more toward cutting it now that mana reflection is cheaper

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's interesting to try and find the best of a certain effect, determining what is overkill and what is efficient enough

@Uhavefriendss

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds yeah for example I windmill slammed mana reflection into Vial smasher thrasios over ZR because I dont run enough creatures for that draw a card clause to matter, however in my Goreclaw deck its basically an auto include

I use grave titan in my scarab god deck I feel like there's synergy there but I'd be open to suggestions

How do you guys feel about Mystic Remora? I know it's good in cedh but in casual it has never done me any good ever. It's just too easy for everyone to play around.

@thedividend6114

2 жыл бұрын

Mostly depends on the decks I’m playing against. If it’s izzet cantrips or prowess shenanigans, it is amazing. It’s essentially a better Esper Sentinel, and I run it in almost any deck that runs white. Though I do think Rhystic Study is better than Remora to a certain extent.

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@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

I guess some people feel attacked when we suggest cutting cards they really like. The intent is to offer strategy advice through cards we tend to always avoid when tuning up our decks' power levels

"You can't just win by attacking." P R O S S H

@bijanae

2 жыл бұрын

Locust god and kaalia too

Is Halimar Depths worth playing in a Yuriko Deck?

Why would a landfall deck not be ramping way before turn 7 for the rampaging baloths though? Not saying I run this card, but that's a bad lands deck if you're not hella ramping

I play Acidic Slime in my Meren of Clan Nel Toth commander deck, and I'm going to keep it. Why? Because Meren. I never play Acidic Slime normally. I always either mill it or discard it. (Okay, I do sometimes play it late game when I have nothing else to play.) My point is that I keep it because of its 'enter the battlefield' destruction effect. I can bring it back to the field every turn and sacrifice it before the next time I need to proc its etb effect again by bringing it back with Meren again.

@NitpickingNerds

3 жыл бұрын

Aren't their cheaper ETB destruction effects you can use at earlier points in the game assuming the land isn't a huge deal? Rec Sage, Manglehorn, and Caustic Caterpillar come to mind

@sancturillore

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds I already have Reclamation Sage in the same deck, and I own neither of the other two you mentioned. Also, those two don't destroy lands, and one of the two doesn't destroy enchantments. As for cheaper ones, I do have others, already in the deck. I don't play competitively, so I don't see the point of trying to making everything super-optimized. As for this particular, case, Acidic Slime actually works very well, but I do agree that it's not a good card in most decks.

@TheMarktuber

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds vs Green/x decks that ramp lots of lands with farseek and brothers(a great number of them) or vs decks that use very little mana to try to combo every turn (this is mostly vs competitive edh decks but it happens sometimes that there is one such as them in a normal game ) , targeted repeatable land destruction is the only efective way to cut them resources in a meanful way that is not going to make you the party ender for all the table( like armageddon does....) so acidic slime in Meren is a powerful and useful Card vs that kind of decks and with the ramp and tutoring that Meren decks, like mine, usually ran is really easy to use the slime only when you need It without much cost in deckbuilding , until wizards print a creature in BG that destroys lands in a lower CMC

@Xopher1222

3 жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds the land can frequently be a VERY big deal in EDH. Coffers, Cradle, Sanctum, etc.

@golgariguy

3 жыл бұрын

@@sancturillore I would only play Slime in Meren in a pod where very strong lands are routinely played (Cradle, Coffers, Serra's Sanctum etc.). In my pod not many of those are run, therefore I don't play Slime in my Meren, preferring more efficient options that cannot deal with lands (Rec Sage and Caustic Caterpillar, but you can also consider thrashing brontodon and viridian zealot) -- although I run a Ghost Quarter and Beast Within. Caterpillar is only a few cents, I suggest you give it a try (swapping Ooze out for it). The nice thing about caterpillar is also that it goes in the graveyard without the need of a sac outlet, so you can use it over and over again even without a sac outlet. And of course it also triggers Blood artist and friends :)

Cut Rune-scarred demon from my Kaalia deck and Zendikar Resurgent from my Freyalise deck? Halimar depths is playable in Yennet. Try again nerds!

Kaalia: should maze of ith and rune-scarred demon be exceptions in this deck?

The one type of deck I can see Underworld Connections being used is a deck that untap lands multiple times per turn/round.

@dapperghastmeowregard

3 жыл бұрын

I put it in Blim, since it gives the ability to the land I can donate the enchantment to my opponent.