I play 99 basic lands in all my decks because I don't want to interfere with anyone's cool deck and harsh their vibes.

@alexishillairet266

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@robertwood1689

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

It’s cool guys, not everyone is good at deck building. No one’s mad at y’all. We still love you. 😃👍

@manhattanblockade8544

Жыл бұрын

Gottem

@ianmeza9216

Жыл бұрын

😂 felt the samee

@1coolnika133

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@Thoughtmage100

Жыл бұрын

They should ask Amber for help. I bet she plays well.

I like that term, “building out of your binder”. People always say, “why play that card it’s bad?”, when in reality I’m building out of my binder.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

We have lots of respect for the “trade binder deck” 👍🏻

@thriftypsgr

9 ай бұрын

I build a Hylda deck out of my binder and she was decent. I have not bought a single card for her and she is freaking amazing. And so cheap to build

The reason people use Kodama's Reach and Cultivate is because they're cheap, because they give you neutral card advantage, and they guarantee you a land drop next turn. They don't see play in higher power since they only fetch basics but still, people at 6-7, and most definitely lower power, still play basics often.

@thomasdick6797

Жыл бұрын

Kodamas is WAY more powerful with any commander that costs more than 4 than the nature's claim cards. Nature's claim is good for cheap commanders and low curves

@Zendrig

Жыл бұрын

Casting Cultivate is like flossing your teeth or defrosting your fridge. It's not fun but you feel good afterwards.

@Ivansports95

Жыл бұрын

@@Zendrig like getting socks/underwear for Christmas. Not exciting, but practical

@StoneSourFanBoy

Жыл бұрын

Even with a low basic land count and a big budget, in sultai there is not that many forest + X that come untap, so cultivate and kodama allows for mana fixing two colours for not that much mana. Depends on the the deck and the mana base, but they are still highly playable:)

@qwertyness3565

Жыл бұрын

Also they serve different purposes as harrow does enter the lands untapped but unless you can make use of that 2 mana you literally don't have much reason to use it. Granted you can harrow and then plan land for turn meaning you cast it for free but unless you have ways of recurring lands back to battlefield or hand your now at a disadvantage. Because missing a land drop can sometimes be worse than one time ramps. If you miss 2 land drops in a row then your now at a mana disadvantage. I'd honestly say if you have mana in hand and someway to make use of the 2 mana available from harrow it's worse than cultivate as it makes sure that yes you one lands entering tapped but you can then play the second land for turn and be ahead next turn. It's for early not late. By turn 6 or 7 if your ramping then you might be at some kind of dire need to cast multiple large cost stuff or want to have more mana available to spend it on stuff you need. It's better to fetch the lands directly from the deck than have to reply on drawing into them and or getting mana flooded...

I still think Chromatic Lantern is good in 5 color budget decks

@rahminh

Жыл бұрын

even 4 colored. this card is way underrated.

@doktarr

Жыл бұрын

With 5 color, unless you're playing a super land base with all the fetches and shocks and original duals, chromatic has a place.

@dirtyfrench2926

Жыл бұрын

5 color AND budget really shouldn't be a thing lol.

@brosam_

Жыл бұрын

@@dirtyfrench2926 why not? It's actually pretty easy to build 5 color budget

@shamm249

Жыл бұрын

@@doktarr Absolutely. I have all that stuff in my Jodah deck, but the chromatic lantern has saved my ass multiple times

Chromatic lantern is a card that i consider mostly a place keeper in commander. It should really only be played in 3+ color decks when you're just starting out, but the more you invest in your deck, the less important the static ability of chromatic lantern matters and the more you are just spending above rate on a mana rock.

I appreciate you guys for the hot takes, such as you are not okay playing sol ring because it is fast mana, but you are okay playing sorcery ramps that are cheap mana cost. I was confused at your choices at the end but I still enjoyed listening to yall talk about your bad card list.

Support Amber, greatest cat in the multiverse!

@AGirlNamedRon

Жыл бұрын

The unnecessary amount of time it took me to realize Amber was the frickin cat. I thought there was like a hidden cast member I never knew about bc I’m a noob. So I stayed quiet until I inevitably found out… it’s a cat. 😂😅

@zackfro

Жыл бұрын

@@AGirlNamedRon HA! Ron, it is ok, you can make up for it by continuing to make great content and being a cool part of the magic community!!!

@famousstranger8468

Жыл бұрын

What you didn't know there is a grave titan under one of the legs of their playing table

@zackfro

Жыл бұрын

@@famousstranger8468 AWWWW SNAP

@AGirlNamedRon

Жыл бұрын

@@zackfro aww thanks 😊

Personally I think Noxious Revival is criminally underrated in casual commander. Not only getting a key piece back after removal, but I've used it to disrupt an opponent's play so many times.

@cmsfhms

Жыл бұрын

It definitely depends on play style because it can be a bad card but it can be an amazing card too. Doesnt do much in my meta unless you can draw the tutored card the turn it played. Or cast on the endstep of your turn.

@Tachonka_Bonka719

Жыл бұрын

I’ve used it to put a creature on top of my opponent’s library when they tried to reanimate it I find the card very useful

@bortle

Жыл бұрын

it's instant speed so playing it on end step seems pretty great. You don't even need mana lol

@chrismcfallan8265

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree, you're trading card advantage for flexibility. Hitting someone's reanimate target for 2 life is often useful in any power level

Lots of love to you amazing pair, and thanks for always bringing us the best daily magic videos! Appreciate you both!

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate you back!

@urble

Жыл бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds i hope that didn't make them uncomfortable...

Cultivate and Kodama's have some hidden value imo because they help you hit your land drop for just 1 more mana than rampant growth. They are great in mono or 2 color decks where you have a fairly high costing commander. Even a lower costing commander just explodes off of these, casting 2-3 spells a turn.

I am confused Why is Chrome Mox, Sol Ring Mana Crypt & Vampiric Tutor in the video mentioned if they use it? (Look at moxfield: Competitive Karador, Ghost Chieftain (Beezy's Current List) The video titel was "we NEVER play"

@theonewhohasowotism4093

Жыл бұрын

Keyword "Competitive" as in CEDH

@onurkarakas3471

Жыл бұрын

@@theonewhohasowotism4093 And? cedh ist still a part of commander and they wrote "commander cards we never play", sorry but that would mean that the titel is clickbait

@SaltyProductionsHD

Жыл бұрын

@@onurkarakas3471Welcome to YT in 2023

@mrjey3434

Жыл бұрын

​@@onurkarakas3471 commander is a different Format than cedh. The Formats have the same rules, but That's kind of the only Thing they have in common

I have to partially disagree with you on the wheels. I get why you don't play them in your lower power decks, but once you play a table that uses tutors, they can save you from losing if you can't play a counter spell because youre not in blue. You can wheel their approach the second sun that they just drew again, for example. I've lost games because someone used a wheel to get rid of my wincon.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

Actually an interesting idea, i haven’t thought of it that way.

So, what your saying is to run less optimal cards for more fun games? Like playing chess with missing pieces? Sounds like you need to tailor your "ban list" to what group your playing with

@SaltyProductionsHD

Жыл бұрын

It’s easier to just not build decks with, say, tutors than to tell everyone “Okay guys cards 1, 2, 3, 4……..29, and 30 are banned.” Just my 2 cents.

@SWAT6809

Жыл бұрын

mfw your analogy is mindbendingly hillarious

@samuelreese1816

Жыл бұрын

@@SWAT6809 it's something my grandfather would do when playing chess with us. Take half the pieces off the board, then dismantle your defences with what he had left. Kept the game interesting for him as he taught you how to play. To this day I've not beaten him, but I've gotten close a few times.

@SWAT6809

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelreese1816 A chessboard has fixed pieces, a commanderdeck does not. The two are not the same except for being games.

@thegreatestblood

Жыл бұрын

Terrible analogy lmao

I respect the meta cuts you guys make for your playgroup, but I feel like the first half of this video was the first miss in a pretty long time, especially without taking stricter budgets into account. Still watched and I’ll watch the next one too!

I feel like Cultivate and Kodama's Reach offers something more unique than what's being let on. It's ramp and mana fix for 3 mana. Harrow doesn't count since you have to blow up one of your own lands and Skyshroud Claim still requires you to hit that 4 mana curve before casting it (same with Explosive Vegetation and all its variants). If you're playing only 1 or 2 colors then I agree there are better ramp options out there. Once you have 3-5 colors that extra mana fix is invaluable.

@mrjey3434

Жыл бұрын

But harrow and Skyshroud Claim also fix you

@Skytho

Жыл бұрын

@@mrjey3434 but don't guarantee the next land drop. There is friction though since 3+ color decks typically don't run many basics. In particular 5c, I would run maybe 1 - maximum 2 basics per type and then cultivate/fabled passage/steve become much worse

@hiramjew1523

Жыл бұрын

@@Skytho Funny you mentioned fabled passage since I run that as well in my 5 color deck. I think its good to have a handful of basics. If nothing else when an opponent uses something like path to exile or demolition field on you you'll be happy that you still have basics to search for lol.

@SleepyStreak

Жыл бұрын

110%. All their 2 drops they like grab one land. And the 4 drops they mention grab 2 lands. These are 3 drops that grab 2 lands, literally the most mana efficient land tutor spells. Feels like they're still in CEDH/high tier mode when talking about these cards and so hyper focused on the second land not hitting the field immediately, and forgetting most commander games go to turn 10+ regularly. Playing for the long game and making sure you continue to hit land drops is far more valuable than worrying about perfect efficiency in turns 1-4. They also compare it to harrow acting like harrow is better? It's the worst card of the bunch, 3 mana for one land? All the 2 drops do that for less mana. Unless you're in landfall Harrow shouldn't even be in the conversation.

@gland10

Жыл бұрын

They just flat out don't know how to evaluate ramp, who evaluates ramp in a vacuum? Evaluate ramp in the context of what your deck is doing, if you want to ramp to five by turn three, you need a one mana ramp plus a three mana ramp on turn two meaning you only had to actually draw two lands for natural land drops since the three mana option gives you the drop for the following turn. Thats a far better option than utopia sprawly plus skyshroud claim on turn three if you want your commander on turn 3... Lets not even get into their own acknowledged cognitive dissonance on something like craterhoof being bad but all the other replacements to win in the exact same way being perfectly fine.

Noxious revival has been a great value card for me but only in my Lonis, cryptozooligist deck. I usually use it to steal a card that someone else is trying to reanimate.

One type of card I’ve been cutting from my deck are board wipes. I used to put 3 or 4 in each deck, but now it’s 1 or 2 or none. If you don’t have a win-con they just slow the game way down as everyone tries to rebuild their boards. Obviously a one-sided wipe will win you the game, but blowing up every non-land permanent is just starting a new game.

@SWAT6809

Жыл бұрын

No its not, you have the information that you will wipe and other players might be scary due to their commitment on board. Not playing any boardwipes is setting you up to get just pushed over whenever youre behind.

@kamikirbits7708

Жыл бұрын

I don't recommend not running board wipes. I have played many games where people were not running board wipes and that often resulted strong early boards just winning the game.

@RazorDevil1

Жыл бұрын

boardwipes stop opponent from just snowballing a win, its also good for you to know when all the creatures are going to be blown up. running 8 is lame yeah but running a good amount like 4 or 5 or onesided wipes is just so amazing not to

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

It depends but mostly agree. My stand on board wipes are different from most ppls because i came from yugioh and cards that wipes boards are banned in that format like dark hole because it provides too much of an advantage just because you’re losing the game. There are justifiable board wipes like if somebody has like 1 million scute swarm or something then absolutely and then there are fruitless board wipes that ppl just do because they can or because they’re getting clapped and have to mana available. If you’re running more than 2-3 board wipes, then game go on for way too long because other ppl are doing the same thing and nobody is trying to deal with 10 board wipes in a game. Its not fun trying to build up a boardstate just to have ppl wipe because they cant stop you.

@SWAT6809

Жыл бұрын

@@mibbzx1493 People dont wipe because the cant stop someone, they Wipe to stop someone.

I hear you on Murder and Hero's Downfall. Even in Toshiro Umezawa, with 37 instants, neither one makes the cut.

Love your precon power up series. Would love to see them for the newer precons!

Love the insight into your meta. What do you two think of the "predh" format? Does it interest either of you? Do you have any experience with it? Would love a future video on it.

I'm totally with Cherries on not running Arcane Signet in non-artifact-based green decks. And I agree that Sol Ring is fast mana: it costs less than it produces, but I'm'a keep jamming it anyway because it's the flagship of the format.

I like Cultivate in Deck in a 5 mana commander with 3 colors.

@urahara64360

Жыл бұрын

Same though I try to save it until I get Riku on the field so I can double it.

Cards like aetherize or wash out are actually strategically interesting. Being able to set back just one player allows the other players to kill him without having you getting involved in due to political reasons. Plus, knowing your opponent might wipe just your own board is scarier due to the above-mentioned reason

@urahara64360

Жыл бұрын

I honestly like them for my casualty deck because I am copying them enough that I hit everyone and they're a much better for my budget.

Ok quick question, if I told you I dont have mass land destruction in my deck, but then play Natural Affinity and Heroic Intervention into your board wipe, would you consider that bad manners? Also what about Gilt-Leaf Archdruid?

I'd like to know your thoughts on cards that combo off with your commander. For example, The Locust God and Sage of the Falls, or All Will be One and The Red Terror. Do you try to avoid them?

@kamikirbits7708

Жыл бұрын

Since they said they don't play combos I'm pretty sure they wouldn't play them

One time I cloned a Consecrated Sphinx with a Thespian’s Stage, because someone had used the enchantment that makes the enchanted permanent a forest.

@zakbrooks7354

Жыл бұрын

...but that just makes thespians stage a forest...?

@jovismarshall

Жыл бұрын

@@zakbrooks7354 there probably talking about Song of the Dryads, which would mean that the creature is a land but the land card type wouldn't be a copyable property, so the copy wouldn't be a land, same would be true of Imprisoned in the Moon

@StalkingPanda96

Жыл бұрын

@@zakbrooks7354 so thespians stage copies the whole printed card. That printed card is the sphinx. It cannot copy the effects on that card from an enchantment. So after copying the whole printed card, it no longer has an effect making it a forest.

@zakbrooks7354

Жыл бұрын

@@jovismarshall ah I see. I didn't know about that interaction. I thought since it got turned into a land with no abilities it would be a forest only

@crawdaddy2004

Жыл бұрын

@@zakbrooks7354 It’s a super weird interaction. I had to look up the rules, myself, before making that play. My opponents had me show them the rulings, too.

Spot on about windfall. Almost everyone runs it in my local meta, but I’m the only one who really benefits. I’m a rotcleaver reanimate / graveyard deck so it just helps me dig to find my combo pieces faster.

It's not too hard to break symmetry with Scrambleverse/Thieves' Auction honestly. If you can phase out or flicker most of your relevant permanents you can proactively get a pretty big advantage from them. I'm not saying these are good cards or even particularly fun cards but it's pretty easy to play them for reasons beyond "lol chaos".

@zackkelley2940

Жыл бұрын

They're not BAD.... just a colossal time consuming headache to parse out and keep track of.

Calling Kaalia bad in several different videos when she sees a lot of cEDH play and calling Noxious Revival a bad card when it’s a FREE spell that gets you your best card back from grave really makes me question if this channel is satire or not sometimes

@Sweetluckk

Жыл бұрын

They have had very questionable opinions, i find it hilarious .

@mrjey3434

Жыл бұрын

Kaalia doesnt see much cedh play as her colors just ok and she doesnt get you card advantage. In casual, Kaalia is kind of an all in strategy, and people just lose to it because they don't play enough removal. Noxious Revival is a cedh staple because you need 0 mana interaction / recursion, but its card disadvantage and in casual edh you can afford to pay mana to actually get the card to your hand instead of on top, in casual its even worth it to pay extra mana to get more synergy with something like an eternal witness. They even said the card is really good in higher power.

@FatstaxMTG

Жыл бұрын

Not to be that guy but a Kaalia deck just won a big event in cedh like a week ago.

@crtsnrtgtn8837

Жыл бұрын

@@mrjey3434 noxious revival is just as good in casual lmao. You pay 0 mana to put your haymaker or overrun or combo piece back into your hand at the end step before your turn. And a Kaalia deck JUST won a large cEDH tournament

@felipeguidolin1055

Жыл бұрын

They have said multiple times that they play in a very casual, combat-focused meta. They are not a high-power, cedh channel.

"Pyroblast could not be more narrow." *Guttural response has entered the chat* Pyroblast is counterspell protection. 80% of counterspells are counterable by pyro or red ele blast. I put it in solely for cyclonic protection. My meta also plays a ton of blue.

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

It is funny cuz our meta often has no blue in pods

@ryuken3585

8 ай бұрын

@@NitpickingNerds Probably because you nerf it so severely it’s not even worth playing

I made atraxa grand unifier blink/etb. And I just put Craterhoof in it. I can blink him and he just double or triples the etb with panharmonicon on the field or I just make another copy of him. I do have a lot of ramp in this deck also

@Ceyx000

Жыл бұрын

You Monstah.

I will defend pyroblast in some spellslinger decks. Particularly something like Feather. The recursion that you get from Feather, with the optional destroy effect, potentially tutorable counter, and just a cast trigger for something like a Storm-Kiln Artist, it does work.

How do you feel about super friends decks? I feel like it kind of skirts the line of not too fun to play against, and takes a while to resolve (as someone that plays a Kethis, the Hidden Hand as the commander) I know my sister's bf doesn't particularly enjoy them since he'd have to read the planeswalkers to evaluate threats all the time.

@alexvergara479

Жыл бұрын

Super friends board wipe a lot that's probably why it's not fun to play against

@Ianoxen

Жыл бұрын

Superfriends is an archetype that is hard to deal with in casual level. I have a Jared Carthalion deck and unless Im playing against a heavy aggro deck, planeswalkers pretty much stay in the battle and only a few players commit planeswalker removal spells in their decks.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

I have played against it but it requires ppl to play smart and if they have to attack them down with fliers or unblockable and be responsible. It can be annoying if left uncheck and multiple planewalkers getting off their ults

im fully aware that wheel effects aren't that good, but i like using them in black/blue mill decks. just to keep the momentum going.

Big fan of this video. I felt kind of bad taking arcane signet out of my Omnath Locus of Creation deck. But I’m happy I did. Only run the 2 drop ramp in that deck now, considering putting skyshroud back in though. Good stuff guys love your videos!

Love watching videos like these from you guys. I don't agree with you on everything but I love to hear your reasoning when that's the case!

Ramp is only good if the turn after you play it you have a land to play. Kodama's reach and Cultivate ensure that. That's why they are god tier, plus they are not card disadvantage

@Wyrm7774

Жыл бұрын

Also gotta take the mana curve into account. Kodamas reach and cultivate are amazing when the average cmc is a bit higher than normal

@vicxinthehouse

Жыл бұрын

@@Wyrm7774 that's true for all ramp. Unless you NEED to deploy your 4 mana Commander as soon as possible or you NEED the advantage of getting duals or triomes, KR or Cultivate are far better quality

I've also been playing without sol ring due to making budget decks and my Beledros Witherbloom deck because he can't untap a sol ring and I agree, the games feel more fair and better overall whenever no one has sol ring. I know it's commander and people have their "obligatory sol ring" but it's been nice to play without it

So we need a video where you two explain what kind of decks/games you actually enjoy.

I haven't heard rave titan mentioned in awhile, good to hear it again

Aetherize is so good AND versatile, you can use deffense and offensive, just cast to protect yourself ou cast it after someone alpha strikes other player after the damage phase, you can also cast on yourself to return your own cratures to hand than blow the table. Just cant ignore this one when my deck has blue, and my meta with my friends is also very creature intensive.

@yavivanov6650

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but it's 4 mana, so you almost have to skip a turn of play, just so you can hold the open mana, and then you'd feel really bad if nobody attacked you, or tried anything funny.

@felipeguidolin1055

Жыл бұрын

​​@@yavivanov6650 I am playing Blue, everything I do is instant speed. If I don't have to play Aetherize I will just play some draws on the end step before my turn.

@mibbzx1493

Жыл бұрын

Aetherize is a good fair card, it can win games if somebody over commits. Playing at instant speed has its advantages and you can always do other thing and spectate before deciding to drop it, if they dont then play ponder, or just hold up counter play in case somebody play some bull 💩 or even if they only attack with a few annoying flier, it can make them recast it or slow them down or creat opening for other players .

What if the fast mana is synergistic? I like mana Crypt specifically in king Darien because I want the coin flip to hurt me

@seththeace6217

Жыл бұрын

And I want it in Okaun & Zndrsplt because coin flip 🙃

chromatic lantern fits well into decks that have some land based stax pieces like bloodmoon or contamination as it still gives you access to all your colors

I respect that they don’t run certain cards to get different game experiences but like dang talk about a restrictive play group lol. So many people had to cry to have that many normal good cards group banned

I never resized amber was getting constantly petted.

What's your guy's opinion on collector ouphe? Would you consider it in the hatebear category? I have it in an all creatures deck

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

Definitely a hatebear, super strong too

well, I do play Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar in my Mardu Aristocrats deck at the moment, but I do not play any tutors, and I also didn't include any infinite combos, so I think it's ok. I basically only play these cards because I need Sacrifice outlets, and there aren't that many cheap Sacrifice outlets that I don't already play in the deck.

I actually used Kodama's Reach in my sarulf deck since non-land permanent ramp doesn't really fit the game plan I was going for. You are right that it's like, 6th best for what it's trying to do, but I had 5 other ramp spells in it and it was my last choice

Thank you for advice for the wheel guess it’s a collection piece for value more room to dodge counter summon or Insta attack and your right it does give unknown card advantage 💯

Hey guys long time no talk, I am trying to join your discord but the link is broken. I want to play some commander games with people

Chromatic lantern is never about color fixing and always about convenience :D the feeling of not having to care which lands you are tapping is worth it to include a mediocre card.

Disaggre on reach and cultivate. power on them unlike other ramp is the ramp + enable get the next land drop as well. Very few ramp spells actually do that.

I feel bad for Grave Titan. It feels like it should be fun in at least a zombie tribal deck, but it doesn't even have the zombie creature type. If it was a Giant Zombie for sure it would get a lot more play.

**Tergrid nervously sweating** Not mentioned **whew**

@mehra6712

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@mufasafalldown8401

Жыл бұрын

Nasty Filthy Tergridses! Wicked, Tricksey, False!

Do you still play sol ring in an artifact deck then? Just curious

Yeah... I've lost count of how many times I've won games on Expropriate. So I definitely get you guys on the extra turns cards.

I disagree on pyroblast. It’s a counter to counters, which is important. It also comes in handy for the occasional urza or cyclonic rift. It can be the difference between winning and losing the game in a lot of cases.

@kamikirbits7708

Жыл бұрын

They didn't say they were bad cards but that they are very situational cards. Not all games will have blue so sometimes it's just a dead card they would rather play cards that always do something

@thegreatestblood

Жыл бұрын

Its a counter to essentially a color specific murder (that targets a spell) on the stack. Its about as situational as it gets. Not worth.

@jeffreylong1478

Жыл бұрын

I’ve rarely been in a four player game where at least one player wasn’t playing blue

This video inspired me to run grave titan in my chatterfang deck

The problem with Craterhoof versus cards lol Finale of Devastation is how easy it is to cheat into play.

Haven’t watched this yet, but looking forward to a Grave Titan shoutout

my old golos deck exploited the "kaya the inexorable" emblem to cast karn's temporal sundering infinitely. my new vial smasher tribal deck (we have a decently high power meta so extra turns are NEEDED if I want to deal damage with my vial smashers) is full of extra turns and ways to copy them (technically impossible to go infinite but I have taken 7 or 8 turns back to back before with more on the way)

Man, Amber has been full on keen to be on set lots compared with 'the beginning' of NN

Great video guys :)

Hey guys, if they were to retcon Grave Titan into a Zombie Giant, would it then sneak into those decks as a playable card?

Nice, I was worried that in 2023 you were past Grave Titan on your poop level, but glad to see he is still there!

I was saddened when amber didn’t get her own label box like usual :( haha

@NitpickingNerds

Жыл бұрын

What the heck Joe?!

Rule zero all best blue cards out, then says "We don't need Red Elemental Blast". 🤣

@AtingsQuest

Жыл бұрын

I do agree rule zero Throacle and put less tutor in all decks.

I think the reason Cultivate and Kodama's Reach see so much play and are arguably better then the 2 mana ramp is that they get you two lands, on to the battlefield and one to play on a future turn. Later in the game, you typically run out of lands in hand to make land drops, so that one extra land from Cultivate does actually put you one more land ahead compared to the 2 mana spells. The slower the meta, the more powerful they become compared to the lower mana options.

I like sol talisman as a substitute for sol ring. Cheaper and because of suspend it never comes down on turn 1

If you're playing Ayara, Grave Titan is a 12 life swing on ETB.

Noxious revival is really good in my atla palani deck because I can put a scary creature back on top of my library to egg into

I think the promo grave Titan was the first single I ever bought, which is the only reason it was hard to cut from my zombie deck

I remember I was playing a 5 color deck at a tournament, using Garth one eyed, and this guy in my pod used blood moon and magus of the moon and I saved my ass with the chromatic lantern, he won with a goblin bombardment but I got him to 1 life, good game

Since years I love to throw my one cultivate into my deck. Play my 2 cmc ramp spells and then this. Like to hit that extra landrop, also love the t1: ramp, t2: cultivate, t3: 5 mana. Totally understand the argument against it, but I like it. Often have the 3 strongest 2 mana ramp cards and then manadorks & rocks (sol ring, mana vault, moxen, arcane signet etc.)

I like playing wheels in mono red/boros since I don't usually have a lot of cards in my hand.

I have 2 extra turn spells in my Sygg, River Cutthroat deck, and they're explicitly in there to try to close out the game or severely hinder *someone*

Lol every card on this list is my playgroups "kitchen table jank" meta

Pyroblast and Red Elemental Blast are super good in my playgroup!!! I play very oppressive and combo driven decks that have a shit ton of Blue and a lot of our friends also play busted blue cards and having a 1 mana counterspells or destruction spell in RED is so NUTZ!!!!

@NitpickingNerds

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I would not like your meta but I am glad you have fun in it

So, do yall just not play Izzet or Grixis? Lim-dul's is great. It's on the caster to know what they're looking for, and resolve expeditiously (that's just good etiquette.)

I have a Vrondiss enrage deck, which is the first deck I built from scratch without edhrec. I put the deck list into a combo finder... 26 combos. I consciously put in 2 jank combos. I love that deck, hate having to say "ooopps I found another combo." I don't get to play it with my play group. They have the same feeling with my Feather your turn is my turn deck.

@NitpickingNerds

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The fact that you are considerate enough to not play them with your friends that don't like it shows you are good player to play with!

I do play a Krark deck, and agree that flipping a coin over and over again is time consuming. I don't enjoy it as the flipper either. So instead, we agree to skip the formality of one at a time and will roll X dice all at once. Saves time.

I slotted a Time Stretch into my Anhelo the Painter deck after my buddy played an Armageddon with no payoff My playgroup is having an arms race and I fear where it will take us loo

Yo love the content guys keep it up! One comment I have is that when you’re talking about Kodamas reach and cultivate you keep saying they’re not bad cards but you have em in your category of bad cards seems confusing

@wallstoncraft

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I think they mean "These cards are not unplayable and WILL get the job done if it's all you have. BUT if you could add something else, there are so many better options". I've thrown those cards into a budget deck that I'm building from the scraps I've got lying around. I may swap them out down the line or I may not - it's not going to be a main deck of mine and I kind of like the idea of using my spare cards.

Hey dudes love your content. “Wheels are bad 90% of the time”, is a statement i could’t disagree more on. I understand your point and i guess i see them from a different perspective. 3 mana for 7 cards is a top tier rate. You emphasize giving away cards heavily but there is a element of disruption. Using good sequencing and timing is key to effectively capitalizing on wheel effects. Are they the best card draw effects in mtg of course not. However i feel like yall have grossly misrepresented the real power of these effects. Again no hate and love your content.

I run Cultivate and Kodama's Reach in decks that also include Burgeoning and Exploration.

Kalamax doesn’t really want of need cultivate or kodamas reach. He only copies instants so the cheap 2 mana spells are fine but I personally just run the 3 talismans for his colors and crop rotation as my ramp package because mine and most kalamax decks curves are pretty low

Mental mindstep is more useful than it looks, even when you are not playing cedh

I can't imagine ever playing Grave Titan now that Bladewing, Deathless Tyrant is a card. Soo much better in every possible way as long as you have access to red. Plus it's less than a buck.

@raedien

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Bladewing does not combo the way Gtitan does. If you are running the Ashnod/Deathmantle mana combo they are correct in the sense there are other options but Deathwing isn't one of them.

Ngl I think mental mistep is slept on in non cedh, commanders became so efficient the past few years. Yeah I know the dream is hitting the sol ring but anymore it hits mana dorks, tutors(since they’ve seems a decent reprint), and a good chunk of removal.

I think wheels are good when you’re mono red or Boros, because those colors have weaker card draw, so most of the time, cards like Wheel of Fortune are great at just refilling your hand. Sure, white has better card draw now, but if your engine gets blown up, and you don’t draw into another draw engine, you might just lose. Also, you’ll sometimes play this and make someone discard their best cards or a wincon they drew early game. Yes, it doesn’t always happen and you don’t know when they’ll have it, but there will be times when you just screw over a player.

You don’t play in pods with a lot of removal do you? I ask because you mentioned using mana dorks over a 3 mana sorcery which nets you 2 basic lands. Maybe it’s the deck type I run but I use a mono green stompy as one of my decks and within my friends circle and our local magic community my mana dorks are KILL ON SIGHT especially my llanowar tribe. That’s why I utilize cultivate and kodama’s reach myself. And how is explosive vegetation any different from skyshroud claim?

Infinite combos are fun. Just don’t load your deck with tutors to get them. The table can try to respond and if they can’t, you win. No one I play with see that as un-fun. It’s a nice work GG

@kamikirbits7708

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I like to make really complex infinite combos with lot's of parts. Makes them more fair and interesting

I'd never consider putting pyroblast or red Elemental blast in anything besides my cEDH decks

Any chance you’ll show us your Beledros deck?

@NitpickingNerds

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Probably not in a deck tech but you can check it out on Moxfield!

I'm not against infinite combos, sometimes they are necessary to finish the game and sometimes they can be so random and convoluted that it's nice to see them work or interrupt, but I do HATE combo players that don't interact with the table until they win, It's like we're playing with a player less and against the time

Geez I feel bad for wanting to put in Phyrexian arena in my Queza deck. And not telling you what to do but I'm shocked that you used the art for rhystic study of someone that is not a good person. We have the arcane art we can use now. Again not telling you what to do, you folks make awesome content!

If you’re wondering who plays all the spell based ramp, I can at least vouch for Zacama. Deck is mostly spell based ramp and board wipes with a few win conditions thrown in.

@kamikirbits7708

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I made a Zacama deck when he came out but mine was a dinosaur deck. I just found Gishath to be worse as a commander.

Ive been trying to push my group away from fast mana but people just dont want to ditch sol ring.

@energetek661

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Sorry to hear. Same issue. Cut sol ring from my deckd but they wont.

@skullkrusher-dx4kg

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@@energetek661 they always just use the argument that its fair if everyone has it lol. It still ruins the game.

I actually like Rhystic, I think it adds some level of strategy to trying to play around it. I think if you're playing really low power, it's no fun to play against and if you're playing really high power it's game warping since either playing a mana down on every spell or they instantly win by drawing cards ends up shaping the game, but I feel like there's a sweet spot in there where it can actually be interesting to weigh the costs of paying the study or not. The higher cost ones like Remora are less fun since you can't really afford to pay it, but it does have it's own minigame in trying to wait it out. Tithe can be a bit more annoying since the 2 mana every draw is backbreaking and unlike remora it doesn't go away on it's own.