In my limited fwd experience, it seems like you can make them very engaging to drive, but it requires a slightly unhinged setup. Stuff like rear toe-out to give you a rear-steer effect under power can help. Reverse tire stagger and giant rear sway bars of course help too

@Ben-bg2eg

10 ай бұрын

Yep

Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Select (for addt’l player), Start. 🎉

Tires are easily worth 1.5 seconds, and above all consistency. V730's are awesome, I even daily on them with no problem on my S2k.

nice! car looks pretty capable on the track. managing understeer seems to be the big thing

I was at Sonoma the same day doing the autocross in my Viper and saw the ITS on track. Didn't realize that was you! The car looks quick and like a great time. Awesome video!

on OEM Tires, alignment and pads that's some good stuff - with all those things addressed you can get low 50s I'm sure. I had a modified ITR DC2 back in the day and was doing mid 1:50s, so for this thing to be bone stock and doing same times is super impressive.

A rear sway bar upgrade makes turn in a dream. Really helps with understeer. Pads, tires, a rear sway bar and alignment makes the car drive so much better on the track.

Keeping in 4th on both instances was key, along with the smoother driving of course. I'd say it has a mid-1:55 on it and maybe even faster.

This is a compelling demonstration that this car is a great and engaging DD that is somewhat wanting for track duty. Watching you tugging at the wheel shows that the FWD nature is coming through pretty strongly.

All good you didn't better your time. It's really good that you're learning how she drives, what works, what doesn't quite work and what works best... within a little traffic lol. Awesome track run, review, content and thank you for sharing it all. BTW I got a call as I'm next on the list at but it was another blue lol so I passed ;). Can't have two of the same color within the same vicinity lol.

Love the track videos, please make more with the type s

Awesome vid. Can’t wait to see what you do to it.

Great vid can't wait to see how you do with better tires.

you were much smoother on the bonus laps! fun!. you hit 109! looks great-makes sense to learn the limits stock first

Haha man that description of fwd power understeer is bringing back memories of when I would track my GTI, front would just want to plow straight exiting corners. Sticky tires and a stiffer rear sway would probably help.

Having a competitor to this car (Elantra N), that pedal dance is hilarious. Why they would release a performance vehicles without an easy ability to turn everything off is beyond me.

@tyhyhh

10 ай бұрын

i wouldnt call a Elantra N a competitor

@williamrori1274

10 ай бұрын

@@tyhyhh Like or or not it's another FWD car with near identical performance on-track. The only thing that isn't close is the price.

@GeronimoBiggles

10 ай бұрын

either way you all will get smoked by all those other RWD V6/V8 monsters ;p

@VQSeries

10 ай бұрын

​@GeronimoBiggles Stick to ya NFS racing games kid lol

@GeronimoBiggles

10 ай бұрын

@@VQSerieslol your name refers to a Nissan V6 and you hating on my comment?

Enjoyed the video!

You were hustling that thing around … nicely done!

nice insights thanks

Awesome video man looked like way too much fun. I'm in North Carolina and debating whether to use 5w-30. ITS will be my 2nd car so may just avoid driving it during the cold months.

@accuratebrickinnovations

10 ай бұрын

ayyye NC! im in charlotte.

Waiting for this

The car seems fairly neutral. I bet a good alignment with more negative camber, and a set of carbotech xp10/8 pads would go a long way. Really enjoyed it! I track my s2k but daily an apex blue ITS as well! Considering taking it to an hpde day. Love the content!

Thanks so much for this. Still have a deposit in on one at MSRP, and plan to keep it. I think the cooling on a hotter day is still an interesting question, esp. since maybe it cut power due to heat in final session?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I'm convinced the power cut was due to the fuel level being at 1/4 tank. It was only about 70 degrees during that session

Best type-s review! Sonoma is my favorite track in Cali.

As someone who has never done a track day I love watching this. I'm hopefully going to be purchasing a ITS in the next couple months and it's nice to see that even stock it can perform. Question - Are the tires basically shot after a track day? Meaning that you have to spend ~$800-1000 for a new set of tires after a day on the track?? Plus the oil change. Seems like a track day is an expensive outing if that's the case!

Hah just found your videos. I was driving the blue TLX Aspec in background that had spot light for one second 😂

Do alignment asap, dial back your driving a bit and lap time will fall. Smooth for the WIN. I wonder if the brake pads are the same as the type R (I have one), and initial bit was decent for me. Tires will be not struggle as much once you get the car dialed in.

I like Castro Edge. But im will to try the platinum plus

I wish I had one of these cars, but I don't seem to have much luck in getting one. I signed up for the pre-sale on May 14, and I'm still waiting. At this point I figure I'll be waiting until next year. I'm sure at some point, if it takes too long, I'll probably just give up and order a 2024 Model 3.

How did the seat perform during your outing? The bolstering doesnt seem aggressive enough for track duty.

You gotta be shite-ing me with that disable traction control process 😂

@odoroussmegma2191

10 ай бұрын

Fiesta means feast in Mexican.

@dre32pitt

10 ай бұрын

You never played Contra on NES back in the day?

@j.3854

10 ай бұрын

@@dre32pittyou beat me to this comment! Lol

@shakespeareracing7822

10 ай бұрын

First gen FRSand BRZ had something similar for the first few model years

Love your content! As you’ve said you didn’t get a type r over this because you want it to be a better daily. Which it is. For what the car is set up for it looks as if it can hang with others no problem on a track and is a fun ride. Being that it is a type s street performance car, in that light do you feel like it’s still an enjoyable every once in a while track car or are you leaning on turning it into more of one?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

My goal with the car is similar to what I did to my BRZ. Simple reversible mods to make it better on track without greatly sacrificing daily drivability. e.g. "OEM+"

I think with new tires and more camber, can def shave off 1-2 secs. Stock suspension very impressive

Great Video! Saw Grand Turismo over the weekend, Actually really enjoyed it Anyone else catch it?

A lot of commenters are forgetting this car is bone stock. Efficiency and tire wear oriented alignment and PS4S (non star spec) aren’t ideal for punishing on track. Will be curious what an alignment and tires will do. Some lift off overseer moments will make this an enjoyable experience

Awesome vid, any thoughts on the seats?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

They're absolutely terrible at holding me in, as expected

I feel that a 35 series dedicated track tire would work and look better on this car. 30 series tires look like rubber bands on the wheels.

Is the stock cooling for the DE5 better than the FL5? Seems like it may be based on the bumper.

Do you think you could add a foot cam? Would love to see the pedal action along with ur pov.

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

Should be easy enough, I'll give it a shot

You have to keep the gas over half a tank or else it will fuel starve, my CTR does the same thing, great vid!

@kevinc2332

9 ай бұрын

Is this forreal?!

FWD driver here. I know Fenton knows this, but FYI for anyone else who wants to reduce understeer in a FWD car. Wider wheels and tires. 200 TW tires would be great if the extra G's don't induce oil starvation (I got a baffled oil pan for insurance). Is it MacPherson suspension? Even though it would be more difficult to get negative camber, try to get a little toe out and as much negative camber as you can (-3 is a good number) for the alignment. Someone said it first here, but if you can, install a bigger rear sway bar, preferably an adjustable one and maybe, just maybe, you could induce a little more oversteer.

It really is a complete mentality shift when switching from RWD to FWD. That Yaw moment you look for while hustling a rwd car around a corner is much more effort to achieve in a FWD, but they are both fun regardless :D

Any idea why the power cut in the end? Is oil temp available via OBD2? Got my eye on a blue/orchid as well.

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I haven't looked into it, but I'm fairly confident it was due to fuel starvation

Please remember to have fun. I'm addicted to lap times but my fastest time was when I wasn't looking at my timer.

Was that a Macan at a track day?

Were the seats ok on the track, or were you moving around?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

The seats are awful, as expected

Are you not required to give a "point-by" for your driving/DE events??

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

Not in the advanced group

What made you change the brake fluid before the race?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I don't trust OEM brake fluid to hold up

“….., You do the Hokey Pokey, then you turn yourself around, and that’s what it’s all a-bout!” Boom! Nannies off! :-D

Lessgo

How does the shifter feel compared to the BRZ?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

It's much slicker and more precise.

How does it compare to the Elantra N on track?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I'm driving my ITS and an EN at Laguna next month so I'll compare them then

@psewgobind

10 ай бұрын

@@Zygrene I'm looking forward to EN comparison. I've been procrastinating like crazy and have yet to get my EN to the track. However, I have put in 35K of street driving this summer and getting on early and making use of the e-LSD seems to be key to maximize on the turns (Type-S might need a track alignment to make it possible, while EN already has it). Sucks that there's no oil temperature gage...hopefully there's some kind of tune that'll display it (probably has, but info centre wont display it).

some TE37s will pull a premium. The stock wheels are heavy.

Lol at the Camaro brute-forcing its way around corners, line be damned

Wondering what your camera set up is with the helmet?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

GoPro Hero 11 Black at 2.7k 4:3, cropped to 16:9 in post

@MrJohnkicksass

10 ай бұрын

@@Zygrene just picked up a GoPro hero 10 for an event at buttonwillow this weekend. Any specific mount you use to hook up the go pro to the helmet?

have you done a track day in the fl5?

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

Nope

I dont think this car will last one year in you stable bro.. maybe if u get another car for track maybe nd2-3? And keep the type s for an actual Daily there is just no such thing as a do it all

Get another s2000 leave this for daily driving

WTF was the cheat code you entered to get permission to drive your car?

your fastest track car is slower than every fl5 and fk8 ? well depending on the suspension demands of the track and the power band your extra 5 hp and softer suspension could help your type s be faster than a type r

@ii_dynasty

10 ай бұрын

Throttle house review on both cars ended up with the same lap time.

100TW tires would be a nice comparison, but it seems like FWD is just asking too much for a potent track car, save a Type R.

Im about 3:30 in and I dont think you're going to like this car in the long run. It doesn't speak to your core elements as a driver. edit: im referring to it as a track car. But as a DD, it's top 3, imo (if you need/want 4 doors).

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I'm hoping mods and setup can make it work better with my driving style

@dre32pitt

10 ай бұрын

@@Zygrene I'm hope they do!

@kevinc2332

10 ай бұрын

tend to agree. the steering is so numb, but def can DD. Such an amazing car nonetheless

@dre32pitt

10 ай бұрын

@@kevinc2332 Yea, I agree on the steering. I haven't driven the new CTR/ITR, but I owned a 21 CTR for a year and it didnt feel 'connected', like an older car. The best part were the seats, imo, lol. Oh and the engine.. it pulls like crazy even in stock form.. Edit: Oh and as a DD, it was probably the best 'do-it-all' car I've owned and I've owned numerous 'hot hatches' or equivalents as I've always had a need to compromise.. Did plenty of diaper changes in the back hatch lmao. I ended up getting something with more driving feel, even though it's deemed an 'inferior' car to the CTR (18 STI Type RA).. Hydraulic steering (great info when loaded up) and the shifter goes straight into the gearbox, no linkage like on a fwd platform. Oh, and it sounded INFININTLY better than the CTR with a simple CBE, lol.. Ended up getting a 987.1 Cayman S since I no longer needed 4 doors/seats anymore and couldn't be happier! No, no IMS or bore score issues @ 90k (it's been a PCA owned car it's whole life, I have records going back to 2011, and it was driven regularly, which is key to keeping the IMS lubed).

@kevinc2332

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@dre32pittdamn bro! Some nice cars right there!! Glad you’re enjoying your cayman! Driver feel is something that can’t be put on paper.

Bro you're one of very few people who drives these cars they way they were meant to be driven. Most people buy ctr or its and it's sitting in garage most of the time

@kevinc2332

9 ай бұрын

lol. That’s me. 😅

Different and controversial opinion here. I wasn't impressed with the car on track. It seems to make good times because of HP and outright tire grip vs chassis balance and on limit handling. It looks like a much more responsive, damped and braked family sedan running a track. (Vs something like an 86, MX5 and in this price bracket a Supra)

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I'm hopeful that a few choice mods will transform the car

@sunnyvalentino

10 ай бұрын

​@Zygrene I'm sure it will and you will also learn how to drive around some of the flaws (not much to do but trail brake and slow down/try different corner lines) as you build familiarity.

@chrislo2007

10 ай бұрын

At the end of the day this is not a sports car. The chassis is for a luxury sedan with sporty parts. It's never gonna compare to 86/Miata. And of course it's FWD. Not really surprised with his experience(I owned a FK8 Type R and grew bored of it). Probably fun a few times but after a while you realize you're lugging around a ton of extra weight and it just cant handle corners as good as a sports car.

Why not just leave it in auto rev match

@Zygrene

10 ай бұрын

I'm stubborn

was waiting for a money shift , and see if history would repeat

Ooh an Integra on the track 😂😂

Jajaja. Your going to destroy that thing, while under steering around corners. 🤡

@thomasferrarojr.9772

10 ай бұрын

You're a real treat of a human being. Congratulations!

@ShaiyanHossain

10 ай бұрын

the audi pfp talking about understeer huh

@scalways

10 ай бұрын

@thomasferrarojr.9772 Clearly, he didn't have a father in his life, or he wouldn't be tracking a front wheel drive Acura.

@thomasferrarojr.9772

10 ай бұрын

@scalways Whatever man. I'm not one to force my opinion on others. The car is very capable.

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks

10 ай бұрын

​@scalways jokeswagons are for the gays don't touch my pee pee please