You build the best looking planes. Where do you go searching for old planes?

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

I saw it on that old magazine cover, then I searched the web. It came from this link, if you scroll down toward the bottom of the thread, you'll see a group of pencil concept drawings. www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/burnelli-projects.3888/page-4

@autonoob

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart thanks. ”Secretprojects” not a site I would have visited with confidence under other circumstances :) I like your choice of the asymmetrical cockpit but there are some nice sketches in that thread. I like this design, kind of P-38 meets the jetsons. i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/8a/09/ab8a0956f06964a0a9836f28e6345c57.jpg

@planker

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart I just watched the JD-2 Delta vid, the plane is cool but the story is better. It takes a LvL10+ to build one of those jobs. It could be a rubber band hotrod.

@ufowatch

Ай бұрын

ama site has free plans for all old planes about 800 i saw.

This video lowered my blood pressure and stress. My grandpa used to build free-flight planes for us when we were kids. This brings me back to those times. Thank you for sharing this with us. It was incredible. The hair on my arms was standing up watching it fly. It doesn't take much to make a boy's heart happy.

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Thx. Glad you enjoyed it.

That last flight gave me goose bumps. Such purpose and authority. Stable, yet sensitive. Balance of lift, thrust and bank. The lifting body gave it a uniqueness in flight that felt like an intelligence at the controls. Absolutely spectacular and one of the most inspiring free fliers I have ever witnessed. Congratulations and thanks.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. Truly had no idea what type of flyer and peculiar traits she might have...especially after the first few tosses. Now I have a much better sense, and it's not as unpredictable as I had initially imagined. Just need to tame the rotational wing angle at the launch as she continues up the ladder toward max torque. I was surprised how quickly she gained altitude after a rather low first two circles on the final launch. As long as she's staying generally flat or stable after the power burst, I don't care which way she goes....although it is curious to see those long dives before pulling out, or not. Maybe a slight tweak on the lifting body's TE, rather than on the stab, as a more gentle adjustment? Fun stuff for sure.

@UguysRnuts

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart Adjusting the TE of a fuselage is uncharted territory. Probably why she needed such massive down thrust. Please keep us apprised of your progress.

@godfrois2408

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart I wondered if the incidences are effectively slightly different between the lifting body and the outer wings? Could account for some of the irregular instability. Fantastic lookig model, I learn something every time I see another of your videos. Well flown.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

@@godfrois2408 Good observation. That's highly likely. It was a bear trying to figure out how to line them up, but once determined, I'm left to react accordingly. Hopefully I can dial her in, leading to a fully stable flight from the power burst, through the glide...and not lose her OOS in the process. !!

Absolutely gorgeous! Your patience astounds me. Thank you.

GLORIOUS !

What a lovely build of a fascinating aircraft!

Thank you for sharing!! 💕💕❤❤

Superb !!!

Beautiful model and amazing flight! Congratulatiosn from Brasil!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. Cheers.

That's a work of art.

@tonywright8294

2 ай бұрын

No it’s not it’s just a model aircraft

@thebunkreport

2 ай бұрын

@@tonywright8294 Built one?

Your videos are just amazing

Wonderful build and flight!!

So awesome!! I cringed on that last tumbler...obviously excellent construction to have survived that with little damage, you sir, are a master of your craft and it definitely shows. Thanks for sharing with us! U ROCK!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

I hear you. I was not expecting to see minimal damage as I walked after her. Fortunately, she's repaired and ready to go again, hopefully this week.

@draklithsDen

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart Looking forward to it!

So good mate, I find your videos very soothing and informative. Really love it..

Beautiful aircraft in a great video with nice music. I really relaxed while watching :) Well done!

finally after a moth, cool concept

Enjoy ,dear friend! Good flights!

Truly wonderful!

Super nice model and what a flight!

A work of art.

@Holliethedog

2 ай бұрын

I was about to write the exact same words!

wow, so nice! I love the Burnelli designs and have built two such experimental r/c planes by myself, too. They were very floaty. But sadly I built them too light and both had structural problems. Getting the c.g. far enough forward was difficult, too. The NiCd-battery weighed as much as the rest of the plane and was at the foremost position.

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Thx for sharing.

Masterful! Beautiful, as always. "It's a big model". lol.

The finger holes are great!

it is amazing what a statement what a life style A perfect recluse A picture perfect retirement A country side away from the hustle and bustle Transport without engines just horses Hobbies without motors just rubber bands to unwind. He goes for a walk along the stretch of colourful green landscape He winds to unwind his hobby plane He then gazes into the clouds watching his hobby fade away into the sun set What a dream like state Sincerely Ejike

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Love it! Thx.

Just right. Beautiful vid. Thanks for sharing.

Mi mayor admiración, sos el Rembrandt del aeromodelismo!!!

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind words.

Wonderful.. My Dad flew the CBY-3 for RANSA in Miami😊

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Oh my! Was it as stable as they say? Films looked smooth.

@user-rm5cc1nh2w

2 ай бұрын

CBY-3 did great, it was very efficient but with only a pair of 1820's (Wrights) it was no match for a C-46 which was dirt cheap surplus, carried more and was faster. My Dad loved Vincent's aircraft and knew it was a winner but in airfreight, the numbers don't lie so RANSA had to pass but apparently Dad really pulled for it. BTW, he spun it at gross weight and apparently the 55 gal. drums filled with water weren't secured properly and shifted aft... and it still recovered.. Why anyone would do this is beyond me but apparently it was a demo flight and part of the maneuvers on the test card. FWIW.. I would like to build a slightly larger version, any chance of getting a copy of your prints for a starting point? 😎 The stuff on Outerzone is all earlier versions ... Tell me the cost and I will pay.. Blessings ! Al Robinson (near Memphis)

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

@@user-rm5cc1nh2w Thx, Al. I've not yet gotten the plans into a presentable state, as they're rather scattered, plus much of this was 'built in the air' as we call it, when u have to adjust accordingly. I'll keep u posted when it's closer to a useable state. Thx again for sharing ur dad's experience. Truly incredible that uv connected. Respect.

Great build 👍👍

Wonderful.

What a sedate and stable model and once trimmed it flies beautifully. Well done.

Beautiful work.

super cool aircraft!

IMO your best ever ,absolutely beautiful

Absolutely wonderful. Superb build, huge respect.

Amazing build! The CBY-7 Burnelli is one of my favorites! Thanks for sharing!

Thank you for your craftsmanship and patience. It's a great concept worthy of your attention.

Thanks for showing us how to do the markings. Brave choice, top shelf construction as always.

even the repairs are a work of art 😅

Love your models

Very nice!

Thrilling, Tom!

Amazing 😎

13:45 it looked like she wasn't coming back! Beautiful build, and really something to see her fly.👍👍

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Yes, I had a moment. Thx.

Thank you for a much needed boost this morning.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx, Harry.

You represent perfectly the Wright brothers concept: fly-fix-fly. Congratulations for your effort and determination. Nice model and flights!

Just Brilliant. She's a beauty and looked like she loves the air, you'll have alot of fun with this one.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx, Michael. I'm looking forward to future trim sessions.

Nice job.

Absolutely amazing. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share it with us.

Nice!

Thank you, a wonderful story told.

Very nice 👌🏼

Phenomenal build and a wonderful video. Congratulations! A couple of times I thought I was watching a P-82. Next build? 😉❤️🇦🇺

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. Clean canvas. Perhaps another towline glider or a simple non-scale ship to keep the balsa flowing.

Just beautiful. Staggering build quality.

Really beautiful. This goes to show how patience pays off when ramping up the winds during trimming. Some lovely flights, and I look forward to seeing more of this superb twin! Nice one Tom. 🌟👍

Best yet, my man. Fantastic.

A bit of effort to get there but man it looks grand in the air. 😎👍

absolutely gorgeous

Excellent work, cool Video. Your creation has earned itself a need for a DT, or perhaps a GPS thing. Super sweet build.

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Yeah...thx...I'm seeing that as a concern...though I could never imagine she'd soar like this.

Very, very cool!

これは近年稀に見る、最高で熱い試みです。

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

ありがとうございます。プロジェクトを楽しんでいます。

Tout simplement SPLENDIDE!!!😃🤗 WHAT A NICE SURPRISE FOR THE END OF THE DAY...😉😎 WATCHING YOUR NEW VIDEOS ARE ALWAYS FOR ME SOME VERY RELAXING AND "SOOTHING" MOMENTS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU POST THEM RIGHT AFTER MY WORK TIME!😊😉 A MAGNIFICENT BIRD!!! WHAT A WONDERFUL PIECE OF ART... HERE YOU SHOW ONE MORE TIME ALL YOUR MASTERY...🤓 I WISH I HAD ONE JUST LIKE THAT😊🙄... IF ONLY I HAD YOUR TALENT...😧😔 BRAVO!!! 👏

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. She's been a dream project.

Beautiful! Awesome job, very inspirational 👏

Fantastic!!! A great subject Tom!

Another masterpiece build! Finger grip hatches, and vertical motor pegs (!) Brilliant and innovative. I would never have thought of either, but the vertical peg makes stooging easier - gotta try that eventually. Cheers!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. I'd long pondered how to launch her prior to building the fus....then while handling the finished frame, I naturally held it using the inner formers....so wa-la. The trap doors became the answer. Otherwise, I would've had some strange apparatus thingy that would've been a fiasco for each launch.

@user-it9gk6um4e

2 ай бұрын

That was my thought. Some sort of cradle that would act as both a prop stop and a launcher sort of like HLG launching. A kind of model atlatl (lol!)

Impressive model and flight!!!!!

Good stuff, Bubs.

Complimenti un bel lavoro, sono poche le persone riescono a pensare e costruire quello in cui credono. Lei mi ha ricordato il mio amico Paredi che nel 1956 aveva costruito un aereo ad elastico con il legno della cassetta dei limoni una camera d' aria di bicicletta due rotelle ricavate da due bottoni. Appoggiato a terra su un pavimento di pietra ( ingresso della villa dei Tasso celadina Bergamo) lasciata l'elica decolla va dopo 4 metri attraversava la strada e finiva nel prato di fronte. Uno dei ricordi più belli , avevo 6 anni.

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Meraviglioso. Grazie per aver condiviso quei ricordi. Adoro le ruote con bottoni!! Wonderful. Thx for sharing those memories. Love the button wheels!!

Hi Tom! WOW what a plane! It's too bad that the full sized ones didn't get built and put into some sort of airline service. Of course, in a couple of years later the DeHavilland Comet was introduced and the Jet-Age started. The trap doors for launching are just genius! The structure is a work of art, too! Can't wait to see this one fly more! Simply fascinating!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

One was at least built and flown...there's a beautiful film on the web...but clearly he didn't have the financial support needed.

@paulmyles6126

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart This is the Windracer UAV. It is definitely a Burnelli lifting fuselage like your beautiful model. BBC News: Windracers UAVs supplying Isle of Wight kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIF_xcuPe9WThso.htmlsi=ukd3D5geKvVnkbwB

you do pretty work Tom🤠

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. I really enjoyed seeing her come together.

When it said it was a lifting body, they weren't joking. Nose high!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Ha. Indeed.

the stall issue youre having happens with real aircraft as well, we call it the accelerated slip stream. the propellers are accelerating air over the aerofoil and giving increased lift, this is also asymmetric but i think you'll find a solution to that. but on twins, we land with power on because they just dont glide very well

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. All of my twins have that moment of hesitation or even a stall once the power runs out. They tend to drop a wingtip, dip down a bit, then recover once the freewheelers kick in, where they're at least spinning again. This is where they'll flatten out and cruise about on their merry way, to one side or the other. It's a beautiful thing to see. In this one's case, at this early stage, I'm glad to at least see her float about at height, and sway one way or the other, as the air chooses to take her. I just don't want a spiral in the glide. But yes, a tweak is needed for that rapid descent in the downwind glide. She's shown that if she turns back, she'll correct herself. But I love seeing the new, individual characteristics of a given model. Each has a tendency that needs to be acknowledged, and tamed as needed. Therein lies the fun.

wow

The Wittman Tailwind homebuilt airplane, has this same kind of "lifting body" principle going, too.

I think we get discouraged too early, causing adverse affect and accepting failure instead of trying to tweak ever so little til we accomplish success and take a win. I know this because I've accepted the failure too early in my own life instead of making little changes to see if it changes the outcome... This has been an eye opening video for me in the least to not accept failure too easily or too soon but maybe make small changes to change the outcome who knows might lead to a successful ending!

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Thx. It pays to keep at it.

That is beutiful.

Really nice build/fly vlog. Your build vlog was really nice on this one. Framework is gorgeous, a shame to have to cover it...nah, your covering jobs are a treat to see too. I have to say I'm a tiny bit toward watching the builds more enjoyable than the flying...wait, no, that was awesome too! ❤❤❤️❤️❤️❤️ Moses

Incredibolskis !

Wow. I'm super impressed. I'm a big Burnelli fan and you did it justice!!! Have you ever seen the CBY3 Loadmaster at the New England Air Museum? If you ask nicely on a quiet day they may even let you get inside it. It's the last remaining one in the world.

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

Thx, yes, I've heard, but have not yet visited it.

❤❤❤

She would look great with small electric motors

I would love to have that high grass!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm thrilled to have access, and was in a rush to finish the model before the farmers harvested. That was only 3 days ago, and there's a chance it has already been chopped, so Saturday was my lone day for having that soft cushion. Too bad my model out flew the meadow three times though....ugh.

The UK has given drones of this concept to Ukraine that can carry a 100kg and 12 hrs endurance up to 1000 km. BY Distributed Avionics ltd

A gorgeous model for displaying and flying! The trap-door launching grips are a work of genius. I noted you put a great amount of effort and thought into your winding stand, also. Have you thought about contra-rotating propellers? Thanks for the video.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

I do use counter-rotating props, which spin over the top toward the tips...but not contra. I don't believe Burnelli ever used them, even though the magazine artists of the day were apparently pushing for it.

@UguysRnuts

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart By "contra rotating" I think you mean "co-axial"? I consider "counter" rotating and "contra" rotating to be the same thing.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

@@UguysRnuts As my dad would say, "it's easy to get your mix all talked up"...when talking terms like counter, contra & co-axial. Anyway, I've only considered single props, rotating over the top toward the tip.

Beautiful as always. Question; what paint brand do you use for airbrushing tissue?

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx. I only use Americana *Gloss* Enamels. They're an inexpensive acrylic enamel that can be thinned with water for airbrush use.

@HowesAero

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart Thanks! I was about to ask the same question. As I spend a lot of time working on engineering CAD, I prefer a bit of artistry when decorating my models.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

@@HowesAero Just don't confuse them with Americana 'Acrylics', because they will melt on the tissue if you use a glue stick and then rubbing alcohol for attaching to the frame. The Gloss enamels however are not reactive, and perfect for the tissue.

@HowesAero

2 ай бұрын

@@maxfliart As I'm in the UK, that brand is not available, however there are a wide range of acrylic inks and enamels that are so I'll experiment. Thanks, your models always inspire.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

@@HowesAero The Americanas are surprisingly inexpensive ($2.50 for 2oz) and they thin to around 5-6oz of paint, so I hope there's a similar product in the UK. They're identical to the Model Master Acryls, which can be $5 for 1/2oz....crazy.

The main fuselage is someplace up north

Are you up to swapping props, side to side. P-38 had outboard turning props, but that was supposed to be to make a better gun platform. From the pilot's seat both engines were critical. So minimum single engine speed was 140. Seems like you've created the perfect vehicle to test outboard versus inboard rotation.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

No, they'll stay as they are, rotating over the top toward the wingtips. My mentors with FF rubber twins have resolved these concerns many years ago, and found this rotation to work best for our small, and relatively low RPM models, and I agree. All of my twins have been stable, using this approach. Thx for asking.

I wunder. What would the original designer/designteam of this plane say if they see this model and video... Greetings from the Netherlands🇳🇱👍

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx....I too would hope they'd enjoy seeing one of his concept designs flying free-flight. Sadly he's been gone since 1964, but perhaps his extended family is still connected to aviation in some way? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you shrinking the tissue before applying all the graphics/color to the tissue prior application to model.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thru the process of adding the base color to the full sheet of tissue while it's on a frame, the tissue will naturally shrink from the water based paints. I figure that's plenty, rather than shrinking them first with water prior to painting. I'm using the older, and rarely available Micro-X True Old World Jap tissue which was pre-War...and it has a rather low shrink rate compared to more commonly available tissue, ie Esaki, Mt. Fuji etc. The bonus of course is less warping of structure.

,,,,do these propellers have a neutral spin in the hub/shaft.,,,after power is lost they keep spinning???,.....imo,....add ,if not,...tnx,,,pat,...land o' lakes,wi.

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Yes, both have a free-wheel ramp so they’ll continue to spin after the power fades, but it’s still a lot of drag.

Where did you get the plans for this model ?

@maxfliart

Ай бұрын

It's my own design, but the plans are not yet available. I based it on a 3-view and original pencil sketch from '47.

Had to watch this several times. The Burnelli Lifting Body is an aeronautical atrocity. You have three wings with four tip vortices dumping energy into the wake, making drag. Short separation between wing and tail is not good for pitch trim and stability. The canopy on the left fuselage will drag the left back. Sometimes. Didn't seem to be present in the glide test. May depend on speed and attitude. Using right rudder to fight that means they are fighting each other the whole time, wasting three times the energy. The rudder has to overcome the canopy drag and then some more to make the right turn. It might be better to let it go left. Everything else is symmetrical. The original had a central pod. First power flight clearly showed CG way too far aft. You've got to replace two heavy motors up front with the rubber motor going way to the rear. Fixing a trim problem with thrust line is not a good solution, only works under high power and varies with torque. Downthrust pulls the airplane down, not the way we want to go. Best to get he CG in the right place, use the thrust to pull the airplane forward. The sequence of winding may affect turn. Motors lose torque while resting after windup. Winding the left motor first will result in the right motor pulling more. As the power goes down, the effect becomes less. It doesn't seem to know which way to turn. It seems to want to go right under power and left when the power comes down, but there seem to be inconsistencies. It may be favoring one direction with the nose up and the other with the nose down. The balance between rudder and canopy may change with attitude. It's pitch attitude is inconsistent. The varying ratio between the motor torques may affect it. Very interesting dynamics. A challenging design. Often modelers can do better with a design than the original. You can tolerate a lot more crashes.

Your builds are pure art! I have hundreds of free flight plans an would like to share with you, how can I send it to you? They ara all digital, about 5Gb of plans..

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

Thx for your generosity. I would suggest sending in a few stuffed / zipped folder via WeTransfer.com. 2G limit. Email: maxfliart@hallmanstudio.com

@sblim2

2 ай бұрын

Just send some of then to you Max, hope you like it. Greetings from Brazil!

@maxfliart

2 ай бұрын

@@sblim2 Got them...thx so much. They're a good foundation of plans for any modeler! Cheers.

There’s no patience involved you just build until it’s done