The .41 mag is the most underated, misunderstood cartridge on the planet

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

You may be right 👍

@chiefkikyerass7188

24 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost Didn't Elmer Kieth think so, too?

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

@@chiefkikyerass7188 To my understanding, he did 😁

@ColtDee

8 күн бұрын

Yeah 357 mags get all the limelight

@EskayDuro

3 күн бұрын

​@@ColtDee Well, weak handed and weak wristed shooters prefer the lighter rounds.

Well said, plowboy. My hot 45 Colt loads have a TKO of 26. Grandad always said it’s better to be over gunned than under gunned.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Your Grandad sounds like a wise feller. Thanks 🍻

Thank you. I've heard a lot of people put 10mm on the same level as the 41mag. Not even close.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

10mm is a good urban cartridge, but if im walking into the wilderness, 41 mag or bigger be my first choice.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Same here.

@PassivePortfolios

17 күн бұрын

10 mm is the most popular handgun round for bear defense in Alaska. It is the best compromise between stopping power, capacity, weight, and shot repeatability. Also ammo is everywhere, just like 357 and 44 mag.

I always thought 10mm was similar to 357 magnum. But not above that.

@D5quared91

25 күн бұрын

Not even close. Buffalo Bore loads a .357 that generates 900 ft-lbs with a 180 grain bullet. Show me a 10mm that can do the same and that won’t grendade the pistol fired in it. 10mm is the most overhyped cartridge for handguns there is. It produces NOTHING close to the .41 or .44, and doesn’t even best the mild .357.

@bigsean2473

22 күн бұрын

@@D5quared91 10mm 180 gr. J.H.P. 1,350fps/M.E. 728 ft. lbs

@PassivePortfolios

17 күн бұрын

@@D5quared91 We are talking about factory ammo not specialized loads.

Sir great discussion. I've been a .41 mag user since the early 80's. This round never ceases to amaze me with its power and accuracy. I've always hand-loaded it for my revolvers. Back in the late 80's, I was pheasant hunting with my Dad and brothers and we spotted a coyote on a nearby hillside that was focused on some other hunters off in the distance and didn't notice us. We watched him come down the hill towards us and when he was about 200 yards away as he trotted up against a fence, he paused and I touched off a round. Hit him square in the chest at a stepped off 190 yards with my .41 mag 6.5" Ruger Blackhawk. That shot still comes up at family get togethers even today. In terms of performance on large midwest whitetails with hard cast 210 gr flat nose bullets, they either go down at the shot or stumble off 5-10 yards, then go down. I only know one other shooter friend who uses .41mag (Redhawk) and like me, its his favorite round. To be fare, I own a number of nice .44 mag revolvers and 10mm autos. However, the .41mag has been my favorite "go to" outdoors/hunting handgun and always will be.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

That's an awesome notch in your belt...a coyote at 190-200 yards with ANY revolver. That it was a .41 Mag Blackhawk is icing on the cake!! 🤠🍻

I consider Mr Fairburn a very knowledgeable guy, and I watch every video he puts out, but there is no way in hell that a 10mm comes close to approaching .41 mag energy levels. 10 mms are definitely stout, but .41 mag is in a completely different class and is a much "classier" cartridge to boot. Excellent commemtary Plowboy, im always glad to hear your point of view, and it usually mirrors mine ha. Take care man. Still totin' my Colt 3rd Gen, and it's still doing the job most admirably.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I watch his videos from time to time. I have no problem with him...just didn't agree with his assertion on this subject. Thanks 👍

@reachvictoria3386

25 күн бұрын

What I’ve garnered from watching Mr. Fairburn is he simply has a preference for auto loaders. He placed the 38 Super as being more powerful than 357 magnum, which is patently absurd. All things being even, which they aren’t, he will praise the auto loader and chide the revolver round.

I absolutely agree with you! The 10mm, as loaded in the 1980s at least, was pushed, and pushed hard as THE semi auto pistol version of the .41 Magnum. LTC Cooper had a lot to do with that push. LTC Cooper had long been a proponent of the .45ACP as THE best of the best self-defense round on the planet when suddenly he made a hard left-hand turn and began championing the 10mm in that role. Just about the same time he started pushing the Bren Ten as THE bestist handgun in the world. I've always wondered how much stock he owned in the company. I'm not throwing off on him, but even way back then I wondered. It took a little while, but eventually the 10mm became the darling of a number of gun magazine writers who pushed it as a round for all things except maybe male pattern baldness and athlete's foot. The whole problem, and it nearly killed off the 10mm as a viable round for use in handguns, was that converting your beloved Gold Cup or even Dads old WWII 1911A1 to 10mm was generally a bad idea. Frames AND slides cracked, and more than a few 1911 and 1935 conversions simply self-destructed under the battering of full powered 10mm ammo. I heard some folks even suffered personal injury when their converted 10mms blew up in their hands. John Browing NEVER meant for his two most famous handguns to operate under such pressures in the first place. Eventually Colt's came out with a 1911 that could, mostly, handle the pressures as did Smith & Wesson with the S&Ws probably being the better choice if full powered 10mm was going to be a regular thing. Anybody out there know if Ruger ever went down the 10mm rabbit hole with the "P" series of pistols? If they did, I never saw or heard of such a thing. Oddly enough, the full powered 10mm loading was what many folks in Law Enforcement, me included, had started calling the answer to our requests for a ".41 Special" load suitable for use in duty revolvers. Along comes the FBI and that agency's short lived love affair with the .40 caliber in general and a return to the 9 Minimal for its agents.....Followed by a LOT of other federal, state, and local agencies.....Because the FBI said it was the bestist. So, if the FBI and all those other Law Enforcement types and the US Military said it, it had to be true which has led a bunch of civilians to believe the 9 Minimal is the bestist cartridge ever. If I were to purchase a revolver in .41 Magnum in 2024, I would have to invest in a set of dies and tinker around until I found that ".41 Special" sweet spot for daily carry while never feeling even slightly under gunned with the magnum loadings for the .41. Well, I've vented my spleen in yet another of your video comment sections, and I feel better now. Excellent video as usual and once again a truthful video on a subject near and dear to my heart! Keep 'em comin'!!!!

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting 🍻

Hi. This was an awesome presentation and very informative! I may have mentioned before that my usual go-to for the woods is my Model 29 with heavy hardcasts. For me, it’s in my “warm n fuzzy comfort zone”(whatever that is…). But there’s times when I’m lazy and brave and strap on my skinny 10mm 1911 instead. But I’m under ZERO delusions about comparing the two.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks, brother. 🍻

No different than the people who say 9mm is equal to 357 magnum because one single guy being military arms channel cherry picked and put together a “presentation” full of questionable data. 10mm I would say is comparable to 357 mag but even the hottest 357 mag will spank 10mm in terms of muzzle energy.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

@Preacher357

25 күн бұрын

10mm and 357 are pretty much dead even on power. The 10mm was created specifically for that purpose; to be the equal of 357 mag in an autoloader. Standard factory 10mm is not loaded anywhere near the upper end of its power level though. You would have to buy from one of the boutique ammo manufacturers or hand load to get it to full power. Also, I think Tim at the Military Arms Channel was comparing 9mm to 357 out of a snub nose revolver if I remember correctly. I think his point was the 9mm was fairly close to 357 out of a 2 inch barrel without having the severe recoil. That has been disputed by others, but I don't think he was trying to claim that 9mm and 357 were otherwise equivalent.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

@@Preacher357 Yep. A lot of off the shelf 10mm is loaded near .40 S&W

@Someguy0525

25 күн бұрын

@@Preacher357A lot of factory loaded 357 is watered down too!!

@Preacher357

25 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost Especially the American Eagle. I think there is only 10 - 20 fps difference in the estimated velocity on the boxes.

You are right about the 41 Magnum. I first started in 1972 after I got out of the Army with a 4 inch blued S&W M29. The "Dirty Harry" fad was in full force and the 4 incher was the only one really available. The Model 57 was ignored and could be readily found for list or a bit less. I saw a 6 inch blued M57 and bought it. I used it in a few combat matches with a 1000fps lead load and did fairly well against the 45 Auto 1911s. This was the 70ties. One thing I noticed about the 41 Mag was the lesser recoil. I could handload the 41 to the same ft lbs energy as the 44 Magnum and the recoil seemed a lot less. I had the same Ruger as you show and people who shot it always said the recoil was no problem. Same With the M29 vs the M57. BTW, Mag-Na-Port will cut the recoil of the single actions a good bit. Well worth the price. Get their action job, too. If I had it to do all over again, I would just use the 41 Magnum and would skip the 44 Magnum. For woods walking today I have a 2.75 inch S&W M69. If it was available in 41 Magnum, I might have bought that instead. We only have black bears here. Had one in my driveway one night. Good video.

I agree with you wholeheartedly!!! Razor Dobbs used a 10mm Dan Wesson pistol to drop not one but two African Cape Buffalo. Double Tapp 220 grain hardcast loads. That does not make it an African Cape buffalo caliber.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I've read in more than one place that it wasn't just the shots on camera that brought some of those animals down. I can't confirm that..

@zc8211

25 күн бұрын

​@plowboysghost either way, whether he did or didn't doesn't matter IMO. The world record grizzly was taken with a .22 long... not even long rifle! Just because someone HAS killed an animal with a certain cartridge, doesn't mean that cartridge is suited for it. Good vid as always plowboy, I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable in bear country with a .41 instead of a 10mm.

@GraveyardJack

18 күн бұрын

Dobbs was a stunt hunter. He was heavily dependent on the PH and his editor.

Yep, mr. plowboysghost I sincerely appreciate you reminding us of the Taylor Knockout Value as so many are hung up on on just the energy and capacity. Marksmanship and practice is work and a 10mm auto is not a shortcut to being prepared. And ammo/load makes the other key contribution and appreciate keeping the ever versatile .45 Colt in the right revolver capable of those higher loads and pressures in the discussion. Still plan on a .41 Mag for myself when I find one. Thanks sir!

@plowboysghost

21 күн бұрын

Thanks brother 🍻

All good points. I had a convo recently with some friends and spoke to the effectiveness of handguns as backup should their longarm fail in a bear scenario. Im like Kodiak bears weigh 1500 lbs on average, they have a top speed of 35-40 mph. I was like "that's 80,000 ft lbs of impact energy charging you. You dont want to skimp on firepower, you'll prolly eat sh*t."

@plowboysghost

20 күн бұрын

😁👍

As a consumer we have to look at the original intent and design of these cartridges. 10mm was pioneered by Jeff Cooper as a self defense round against bad guys. Before all this PC 🐂💩…. All the handgun authors admitted that 40 was invented because female fbi agents complained about 10mm recoil. Fast forward to today and most 10mm ammo is downloaded. So there you have it. 41 mag is vastly superior to 10 mm. Good vid Plowboy (again) 😃

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Agreed...and thank you

@tbjtbj4786

25 күн бұрын

Not just female. Have you ever meet fbi agents? Not the gun guys hrt people. But there average agents? There not gun people really and truly there more Ivey league lawyer types. Honestly I was surprised most of the ones I meet could use 9mm and 38 spc. Remember criminal minds show? There way more like the little nerdy guy than the big guy and the black guy.

@PassivePortfolios

17 күн бұрын

40 S&W was invented at the FBI's request because agents had trouble qualifying and the guns experienced accelerated wear. The FBI felt the 9 mm lacked stopping power after the Miami shootout but the real problem was the 115 grain Winchester Silvertip's lack of penetration. Later on as better bullets became available, the FBI went back to the 9 mm.

@tbjtbj4786

17 күн бұрын

@@PassivePortfolios don't believe its better bullets. It cheaper, requires less training the guns are cheaper. Its a all around package. And the idea that better bullets makes up for it is crazy. The new bullets can be put into bigger cal

@PassivePortfolios

17 күн бұрын

@@tbjtbj4786 FBI concluded that bullet under penetration was responsible for the failure to incapacitate one of the criminals who caused the death of several agents. That's why the switch to the 10 mm happened. It wasn't because the 10 mm ammo was cheaper than 9 mm.

I hear you on the coyote problem. Also there are half coyote coydogs that are even more dangerous as they understand human weaknesses better. And where I live feral hogs. I have a friend who nearly got taken out running fence line. 260lb boar hog charged him. He was running .300 blackout at the time and it got the job done. I wouldn't trust 9mm against any of the above.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Nir would I.🍻

@PassivePortfolios

17 күн бұрын

9 mm has plenty of stopping power for the ones you mentioned. So does a 38 Special.

Love watching your videos! Keep up the good work. We need more people educated on weapons, many young men are out of control today because they did not have a dad or grandpa to teach them about weapons and how to respect them. You are doing that work for many today.

I had a friend, who I believe was smart and taught me a lot about hand-gun shooting back in '80's, who was a devout .41mag pistolero! I was.357mag disciple.( partly economic) Life drifted us apart. I still miss him/our range time/talks. We didn't have chrono's/any of the data then that is avaialble now. Even so, I have been happily succesful w/my .357 hunting, and still choose it. The only thing I dislike about the .41mag is ammo UN-availability. And, I don't have the time/space/$$/ or patience to become a MfgReloader. So I will just shuffle happily along.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching

I like to keep it simple. 45 auto in my automatics, 45 Colt in my revolvers. Only 2 pistol calibers to stock pile.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

That'll work!

Surely, I don't think it can be overstated (for the 10mm fan boys); 10mm is NOT the Grizzly God... Here's my analogy/comparison: 10mm is like 9mm - if a bear were a human (if you know what I mean). Just adequate for bear defense - but nothing above that; multiple shots required (like with 9mm against a human)... So .41 Magnum to a (big; grizzly) bear would be like the equivalent of a properly loaded .357 Magnum (through a 5-6" barrel or longer) to a human. That's a BIG difference! This is my take (hopefully it makes sense)... Some people may take comfort in the capacity of a 10mm semi-auto - but it's nowhere near as powerful, shot-for-shot, as a .41 Magnum revolver. Buffalo Bore, for example, makes a .41 Magnum hard cast bear defense load that generates over 1000 ft lbs of energy - and 10mm isn't even close to that!... Case closed.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thank you🥃

Hes' a 1911 idealizer,can't expect much...

Energy is a great way to get a good idea of the effectiveness of a cartridge IF you use good bullets.

The auto guys like accuracy by volume. It makes them look more impressive when they shoot steel fast. I would never prefer an auto.. with my luck, the malfunction bug would get me. No thanks I will take my accuracy with a revolver and a larger diameter projectile over the extra capacity.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I understand that line of thought, myself.

I'd say 10mm is more equivalent to 357mag in terms of power and effectiveness with the firepower advantage coming from holding 15 rounds in a mag vs 5-6 in a cylinder. Can't hold a candle to 41 or 44 though.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

My thoughts as well.

I like Chuke regardless. His firearm content is really directed at novices but I watch it just the same. Sadly the younger crowd gravitate towards this type of presentation. To his credit he is humble and will entertain different opinions. If I want the wisdom of maturity and practical experience I come here and a certain couple other places. Thank you for being that voice of reason!

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Heck ..I must like Chuke, too. I find myself watching several of his videos. Thanks 🍻

@Wildwestwrangler

24 күн бұрын

Funny thing is though, that Chuke still has and packs big bore revolvers.

Ahhh the Bastard Child of Keith. I love it.

@plowboysghost

23 күн бұрын

It's loved by those familiar with it.

No boy i've been waiting for this ever since paul harrells video.... edit man I haven't seen A video that made this much sense.Ever since the late great Jeff quinn

@carlosmorris4510

25 күн бұрын

Exactly! This is who I trust: Paul Harrell... And Gun Sam. 10mm being equal to or exceeding the hottest loads of the Magnum cartridges is a MYTH.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I don't know if I even watched all of that video 😁

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

@@carlosmorris4510 Thanks 🥃

@hawkenrifle8978

25 күн бұрын

Gotta say...10mm and .357 magnum are much more equivalent than 10mm and 41 mag. 10mm has become as mythologically enchanted with a certain crowd as 6.5 Creedmore has; it's kinda silly. 😬

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

😁🍻

As the fine Southern Gentleman I presume you to be, was surprised you didn't introduce us to the sweet little cohost seated next to you. Would like to have heard her opinion on this subject 🤭

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

🤣...I had my granddaughters in mind . They watch my videos 😁

Correct. Ultra-super-hot 10mm might almost touch the most pathetic target .41 loads on a very good day. The best way to think of 10mm is a box-fed .357 magnum. People just don't understand the raw horsepower you can get from a big-bore revolver. The best heavy duty pickup will never ever do the work of a semi. Different tool for a different situation!

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Exactly

As always I enjoy the content. I think too many people believe that just because they have a youtube channel they qualify as "experts".

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thank you

Great vidio sir impressive numbers very interesting thank you for sharing

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

Buffalo bore has a 265 41 that get TKO=20. Looks like a really nice load.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

That it does🍻

@carlosmorris4510

25 күн бұрын

I looked at that specific load today, at a gun shop - just out of curiosity because of this video... It's damn near the size, and pretty close to the weight of, a .44 Magnum bear load - and generates over 1000 ft lbs of energy. 🤯... That's a MONSTER - and there's no way that any 10mm is even touching that!

Excellent report!

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thanks 🤠🥃

Seein plowboy hold a modern semi-automatic pistol and not a revolver is weird on my eyes 😂 I’m the same way buddy! Gettin a cool deer scene engraved on my revolver!

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

😁🥃

I know the 10mm can absolutely work for bear defence, but anyone who compares it to 41 magnum is crazy!!!

@plowboysghost

23 күн бұрын

Amen. That's the point that I hope I got across. 10mm IS getting it done in the woods...it's just no .41 Mag.

Yes sir! I'll take a big bore American made revolver over a polymer pop gun any day.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

You and I both

My first and only pistol is the same Springfield you have. I enjoy a lot, but it has no where near the charm of a good cowboy gun.

I'm not a 41 magnum fan boy . I'm not a 41 magnum hater . But it is Not a 44 Magnum 😂

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

It's closer to .429 (.44) Magnum than 10mm is to. 41 Magnum.

To get even close to the 41 magnum, 10mm has to be stretched to the 10mm magnum cartridge, then you have equals. Aria does load the 10mm magnum. Now, good luck finding a pistol to shoot it out of. Aria evens loads a 44 spl, with a TKO of 19, so even the ole lonely 44 spl beats the 10mm.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Exactly 💯

@GraveyardJack

18 күн бұрын

Not equal until there are 300gr 10mm bullets.

I’ve lived in Alaska for 30 years, I’ve been packing a 480 for the past 20+ years, 400 gr @1200 fps. My thought is I may only get one shot and I want enough power in that one shot. I know lots of folks that carry 10mm because they want follow up shots. As to Phil, the 9 isn’t his regular carry gun, it was just what he had on him at the time and he didn’t expect to be encountering a bear as he had clients who were fishing. Worth noting when he is guiding bear hunts he carries a 458 win mag rifle.

@plowboysghost

13 күн бұрын

I believe he should carry more than 9mm for fishing excursions, too😁

I tend to be a .357 mag fanboy. I see it get compared to 9mm, 10mm, and .357 sig. The only one that seems to close is the 10mm. Mostly the .357 magnums versatility sells it to me, I know 41, 44 and such are more powerful, but I like .357.

Sasquatch hunter doesn't like the .44 special for bears. If one is physically limited would this be a viable bear round? Is .44 special even close to viable by the Numbers? Best Wishes from Montana! M.H.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

A lot of deer have been taken with the Skeeter Load.

I really liked the nickel plated Cimarron pistolero you had, Plowboy. That was a beautiful gun. Do you still own it?

This reminds me of all the talk about how 9mm is just as good as 40 or 45 acp because of the improved technology. It’s the craziest point to make. Yes, the technology has improved greatly on the 9mm, but the technology didn’t stop with 9mm!!! Every advance that’s been made in bullet technology applies to all calibers. The ammo companies didn’t just improve ballistics for a single round. For example, Hornady doesn’t make their Critical Defense just for 9mm, they have it for every caliber they produce.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thank you

Nice vid, and I get it. Shot for shot, 41M beats 10mm every day. Personally, I’m a 45 Colt and 44M guy, but I also see the value of 10mm. Think in terms of cumulative muzzle energy a handgun can contain. If I’m going into the wild, I like a 10 on one hip and a 44 (or hot-loaded 45) on the other. I don’t mind carrying a little extra weight because…muscles. Heavy metal baby. And I’m 58 years old.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thank you 🥃

i miss my 41 mag blackhawk😢

I like your storage system behind ya there👌. I can say that because mine looks about the same😑

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

😁🍻

All of them have a place, but people just can’t seem to let them stay in their lane. Some are always touting how awesome marginal calibers are but should I be in harms way due to large animals that want to render me a into a meal or a greasy spot I will definitely take a high TKO round as my protection and leave g to he marginal calibers for social work.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

I carry and reload a 6” .500 Magnum in a Simply Rugged chest rig. I carry three 5-star speedloders. I reload from mild to wild as I see fit. Hard cast wad cutters and hollow points, all cast by me and gas checked. I stopped fooling with the sub calibers like .44 and .41 years ago

Thanks for the video.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching 🍻

I WAS A HUNTING GUIDE IN ARIZONA AND NEW MEXICO, I'VE BEEN RELOADING MY OWN AMMO FOR 40 YEARS A 10MM IS A POP GUN COMPARED TO A 41 MAGNUM

@ronthompson4286

15 күн бұрын

I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE GOT THE IDEA THAT 10MM IS A BEAR GUN, MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THAT

There mindset is spray & pray, don’t worry about bystanders

@plowboysghost

23 күн бұрын

Some sure seem that way.

I Really Like .41. . I also like 10mm , and the two aren't contradictory. The complete , and more accurate , statement was : " ( Normal mainstream ) Full Power 10mm is reasonably similar to Silvertip. 41 Mag . " I have chronograp Ed 10mm cast bullet handloads that I've stopped reporting , because everybody says it's lieing . Yeah , they were " beyond original specification " . But it's not as if that 325 gr .45 Colt loading is within original specs either , but tailored by experienced handloaders , for specific guns . And G29sf with full power 10mm . If it's not the most energy from something that size , while still able to control for rapid fire, then it's darn close to it . [ And for the record , my nest closest contender is Large Frame Vaquero, 3.5 inch .45 Colt , with mid "Ruger Only " loads .

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I look at them through the lense of potential with available loads/ handloads.

@user-uc5sn4tp3f

20 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost OK, deep semantics . My late Best Friend ( RIP) , and #1 Shooting and Handloading Partner had the 200 yd private range outside his kitchen door , a large loading and casting set up , and the opportunity to do borderline excessive work ups for accuracy and power for his favored guns . And to relevance here , they included 4 5/8 .41 Blackhawk , and Colt Delta Elite . Both guns received through load developments for each , to reach the best possible. And I consulted with him for most of his load development, and chronograph ' Ed many of them myself . ( He lived 2 states away , or else I'd have been at his bench most days . Yes , his " most bestest in his druthers " .41 Mag load with 265gr LBT bullet , exceeded any of his 10mm load developments. BUT , his top 10mm loads with 220 gr cast bullets exceeded mainstream. 41 Mag factory loads . Same kind of thing with "Ruger Level " .45 Colt vs .44 Magnum . I can load Ruger Bisley with heavy cast bullet handloads to exceed mainstream .44 Mag factory loads . But I can also develop heavy cast bullet loads safe in SBH Hunter to exceed what's possible in .45 Blackhawk. So yes , a 10mm with with suitable handloads is Also viable for Bear .

10 mm is equivalent to the 357 mag and ballistic data shows that plain and clear. The 41 mag's competitor is the 44 mag who won that contest a long time ago, rendering the 41 mag. obsolete. Gun and ammo sales are the evidence.

I've got many different handguns from 22 up to the 10 mm and the 454 casull and I still find myself reaching for my model 25 Smith and Wesson in the 45 Colt "4 inch barrel with my home rolled ammo I'm not in big bear country so I use the 185 grn gold Dot bullet for personal carry protection if I was going into Bear country I'd find a better bullet than what I use or I'd pack my 44 mag it's a time proven stopper

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

That it is!

Phil used a Smith 3906 pocket pustol that holds 6+1

@plowboysghost

23 күн бұрын

That's right. Thanks 👍

45 super to 10mm would be a better comparison both semiauto. 41 mag is a great round but since everyone wants semiauto and not revolvers its a shame people limit themselves. 45 colt 44-40 44 mag revolvers get the job done its not always what you carry and how many rounds you have but how good you are and train with what you like.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thank you🍻

Taken a few white tails with a 41mag ssa Ruger

They do make the Charter Bull Dog in .45 Colt.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

They used to make it in. 41 Magnum, too

@Chevrolet1994

24 күн бұрын

@plowboysghost Has your bull dog been reliable? Thinking of getting one in .45Colt

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

@@Chevrolet1994 I've had it for years and carried a LOT. I haven't put a lot of rounds through it, though I have no doubt it will hold up for as long as I own it.

Interesting...

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thanks

I’ve had that argument with Mr. Fairburn as well. At least he isn’t a muzzle energy worshipper. I doubt that Aria stuff will get 1500 fps in a revolver, but.41 magnum will easily push a 290 grain cast bullet the 1200 the 10/220 can manage. Zero rounds is more likely in a bear attack than 7 plus. Time for the fan boys to learn to shoot.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Amen

@876mpr

24 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost One of these days I’ll get a batch of those Accurate 287’s cast up and a load developed. In the meanwhile, 1250 fps fas been easy with an LBT 250 grain WFN.

I'm not a particular fan of either caliber but would I go into grizzly territory with a 10 mm ? NO !!! Would I go into grizzly territory with a 41 magnum ? Hell yes and with only 6 shots !!!

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

@PassivePortfolios

17 күн бұрын

The 10 mm is the most popular bear defense handgun round in Alaska. Those people up there know what they are doing.

Since you memtioned the Charter .44 spl. Bulldog. I have one made in the early '70s. Would you tell us what your thoughts are on it? Also, what bullet weight or load do you use in yours? I don't hear much about it. Thank you.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I like the newer one I have. I run a 200-gr Gold Dot over 8 gr of Universal...and an RCBS 250 Keith over 7 gr of Universal. I bobbed the hammer and added a crimson trace laser grip. It's one I will own for years to come.

Aria also has a 420 grain 45 colt

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Yep. I don't know if it will fit in a Blackhawk, though. It may be like Garrett Cartridges' 405 RHO for the Redhawk with a longer cylinder than the BH.

@RevolverTv

25 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost it did fit in my super redhawk alaskan. I don't know if that cylinder is longer than the blackhawk ones.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

@@RevolverTv 👍

Well said at 9:00 ! 👍 Spray & pray is what the simi auto community preaches ........... I'm an old school revolver feller and don't own any caliber connected with the metric system ....😁

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

🤠🍻

I have a couple 10mms but they don't let you hunt in PA with a semi auto. I use revolvers in 357,44mag,454, and 460sw to hunt with in PA.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

🍻

You kids don't remember this, but these are the same fan boys who was saying the same shit about the .357 sig/40 s&w, I remember..

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I do, too. I bought my first 10mm( G29) in 2002. My new Glock 22 , in 1993, wasnt my first handgun, either.

Personally for me. 45 super gives me better performance than the 10mm and I can use any suitable 45 ACP platform for it. I mean as far as chamber support and recoil spring tuning goes you have to roughly do as much work to get a stock 10mm to shoot super hot 10mm loads safely as you do a 45 to shoot 45 super safely. Yes you gain more ammo in the 10mm but if you already have a 45 it makes more sense to just invest in making it 45 super capable than buying a 10mm. But to your point I think the whole “10mm is equivalent to 41 magnum” comes down to a 10mm is technically 40 caliber so they round up to 41 and just proclaim it’s the equal. From the very first time I saw a video covering 10mm (I believe it was a Military Arms Channel video) I heard that claim and I knew that data was closer to 357 performance than 41 magnum performance.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Thank you

I got some underwood ammo in 45 colt 325 grain bullets at 1325 fps in a rossi 92 works

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Yep🍻

Again😂 yep! I have a video planned on this debate as well. In which I'll cove some of same as you did here as well as a few more key points that are platform related as well as environmental issues not well suited. I was try aquire a 10 mm before recording Mountain man

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I look forward to seeing your video 🍻

Some have lowered 10mm power to = 40 S & W .

LOVE MY RUGER SINGLE ACTION REVOLVERS.22 MAG,THREE SCREW 357 MAG AND SBH 44 MAG🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO.TAKE CARE PLOWBOY.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks...and you take care, too.

I'm a 41 Fanatic...

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

I'm becoming one 😁🍻

I asked about comparing 10mm to .41 mag on another channel and got roundly mocked, lol. I just wanted to see the comparison. .41 mag 215g swc at 1600 fps is about 1220 ft. lbs. iirc. That's from a Blawkhawk and my handloads. Thanks.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching 👍

And even better common sense based power determiner is what I call power factor. Take caliber times velocity get the result times by .1 you get a usable scale from 0 to 100 let’s say. The simple formula works assuming you are using a bullet Of adequate weight to achieve the penetration required. So you must use a bullet suitable for caliber and the lowest weight that will achieve that penetration is ideal to maximize velocity. That’s the key to power. Example:: 45 colt: .452 x 1000 fps = 452 x .1= Power Factor of 45.0 10mm: .40 x 1350 fps = 540x .1= Power Factor of 54.0 41 Mag: .41 x 1500 fps = 615 x .1= Power Factor of 61.5 Try it on any caliber and you’ll see what I mean. 357 Sig: .355 c 1450fps = 515 x .1 = Power Factor of 51.5 Gives a more realistic comparison. Good Video by the way.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thank you.

Enjoyed the video all the way through. Is that your baby or grand baby next to you? if so, happy Fathers day! 😄

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

It's one of my granddaughters' babies😁

I would love a Blackhawk.41 mag!!! They are hard to find.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Ruger started turning them out new at the beginning of 2024, again.. which is when I bought both of mine...the 4-5/8" and the 6.5".

@carycary5824

25 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost didn’t know that brother!!! I’ll keep on the lookout for one! Thanks !!!

@carycary5824

25 күн бұрын

And after watching all your videos I went out and bought the Blackhawk in the .45colt and a Henry lever in the same caliber!! You made me a believer my friend !!! Cheers!!

It doesn't happen often. I have read of a mother bear with 2 cubs attacking a home sted. One of the 1/2 grown cubs attacked. Then the mom then the other cub. The guy had a 30-30. He emptied it twice. So 6 hand gun rds would not be enough.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I'm seeing a TKO of just 15 for 170 gr Remington @2200 fps....with very limited penetration from a soft point bullet.

@tbjtbj4786

25 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost sounds about right. But the chance that the average person can hit with the rifle way better than the handgun. I have seen to many leos qualifications.

10mm fanboys are insufferable. Compared to 9mm sure it’s a potent round. But hot .357 beats it and anything above blows it out of the water. .41 is the best revolver round for all around work ever devised.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

Hard to disagree with you 😁🍻

I put stock in your advice, Mr. Plowboy. I know you do your own research and verify what you say BEFORE you say it. If you handed me rounds and told me they would do something, I would know they would do the job required as long as me and my gun did our part.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

I really appreciate you, my friend.

I’ll stick with my 45 colt… now I do carry extra ammo on my belt but I’d rather have that extra ammo and not need it than need it and only have brought 6…

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Heard that 🍻

You can push any caliber out beyond what it should be pushed. You will fer sure wear a gun out prematurely and or blow it up and cause injury or death. Took me along time to realize no need to push a caliber to a caliber you can just buy.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I wouldn't push anything that far

🤠👍🏻🍻Plowboy🥃

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

How accurate is your xdm elite 4.5 inch? Have you ever shot 25 yard groups with it?

@plowboysghost

23 күн бұрын

I haven't shot it yet. It's only been here for 8 days 😁

I enjoy hearing your thoughts on this topic. Bettern watching tv. But i admit i was a little weirded out half way through the video when i noticed that baby doll sitting next to ya. Thats your business and im sure there's a good reason for it but i couldn't help but notice. Despite the fact that i often carry a .22mag i do prefer the most powerful revolver i can actually shoot well when black bears and cougar are around. When they're too close to aim you better not miss. Maybe its not that big of a concern but ive always been a bit worried that id get mauled and not have room or the presence of mind to hold off far enough to not press a simi auto out of battery against a large predator that was in the process of treating me like a chew toy.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

🤣 it was on the stool where my granddaughter left it, and I thought she'd enjoy seeing it in the video. I was right

The cylinder is part of the barrel A three inch revolver is about same barrel length as 5 inch 1911

@Rk-mz4bb

25 күн бұрын

Do a little research on your comment . Hopefully you delete it.

@drmcf1

24 күн бұрын

4 and 3/4 by my measurement but you are exactly correct!

What’s your thought on 45 super with some hard cast 250/255 grain

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I've no experience with it, but I hear it's limited by OAL restricting bullet weight and profile.

@rustywisenbaker1541

25 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost I have used Reddot powder with heavy cast in acp to duplicate 45colt Using small rifle primer in place of small pistol primer works great for cheap blazer brass hot rod acp in either a 1911 or my black hawk convertible Keeping the fps at 950-1000 has brought down plenty of east tx hogs

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

@@rustywisenbaker1541 I bet it does! 🍻

Ive never killed a Grizzly Bear. I would have to take your word for it. 👍

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I'm not the voice of experience with that animal, either 😁

How did you round your grips?

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Belt sander on the gripframe. Rasps and belt sander on the walnut.

@LeslieBarnett-qd3yd

23 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghostthanks

good luck finding 41 mag in alaska where i live

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Order it...if you can order anything where you live.

Agree that the .41 Magnum has FAR greater potential than the 10mm but when you compare Apples to Apples they are much closer... Compare a 4" S&W 57 with a 5" 1911...barrels from muzzle to breachface are close to the same. a 200 grain 10mm bullet has the same sectional density as a 210 grain .410 bullet. From said barrels with standard factory ammo the .41 will run 1250+- fps and the 10mm close to the same. As to the 295 grain load at a reported 1500 fps...having shot 295s and 300 grain bullets in .41 for close to 20 years I can guaranty the velocity in the 4 5/8" Ruger barrel will be in the 1200 fps range...and if you think your 500JRH kicks...that load from a lightweight Blackhawk is just as unpleasant. And last is shootability.... One can have all the TKO as one wants...but can one make repeated hits with it... Love your videos....

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Some of those 10mm loads don't make advertised velocity, as well. I've got a 6.5" .41 Mag Blackhawk, as well...BTW. I spoke to the potential...not to limiting the best one could achieve to make the other look better 😁 I've shot the hottest 325-gr Buffalo Bore.45 Colt in a 4-5/8" BH and 400-gr .480 Ruger loaded to .475 Linebaugh length using .475 Linebaugh data in a 4-5/8" SBH Bisley. My 5.5" BFR Bisley .500 JRH hits harder than both. I don't believe any .41 mag load will equal it's impulse with 454-gr H110 loads.

@robertmakowski7808

25 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghostI agree.... Had a FA .454 and .475 both with 6" barrels... Now have a 4.25" .500 WE with and extra .500 JRH cylinder but don't put it very hard...

Good job. "Energy dump" is a terrible way to rank cartridges. Taylor's KO and Hatcher's RSP formulae are far better measures.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

That's what I've read that seemed most reasonable, to me.

* My position is * Taylor goes too far the other way , and places too much emphasis on Momentum. Somewhat related , but more representative of the real world is the late John Wolters's W Factor . ( I think , have to look up what he actually called it . Ft Lb of energy X Bullet Diameter X Sectional Density ***************** Yes , the current fad of comparing Revolvers vs Semiautos by adding up the cumulative Ft Lb of energy in a full magazine is silly . For Defense or Hunting, the important thing is the effectiveness of the first , and frequently only , shot to make a good hit . For Defense or Hunting more than 2 , occasionally 3 good Hits is off the the statistical weeds . ( Notwithstanding that , I always carry extra ammo , if not having some of the extra ammo having its own gun wrapped around it .

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

By the same token a 41 mag is not nor can it be a 44 mag. And a 45 Colt is not ideal either. 44 mag can replace both without breaking a sweat.

@plowboysghost

24 күн бұрын

.41 Magnum is closer to ..44 Magnum than 10mm is to the potential of.41 Magnum....and .45 Colt can do anything .429 Magnum can do but with less pressure than the ".44".

@doranmaxwell1755

23 күн бұрын

@@plowboysghost It's always a tradeoff though. Cylinder walls get pretty thin with the 45 Colt and.. there is a reason the magnums are a bit longer than the specials.. so no one gets confused. I have two boxes of 45 Colt that the labels must have fallen off so no idea what they are loaded at and the only thing I have in 45 Colt is a conversion cyl for an 1860 army sooo..

So going by the TKO calculation 45 Colt 250gr. Going 950fps if i did the math right is equivalent to the great 10mm?

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

I'm seeing a TKO of 15 for the .45 Colt figures you listed, too

@codaktakman7636

25 күн бұрын

Also with just the tier 2 45 Colt level you pass and or match Ballistic energies from both 10mm and 357 Magnum loads so in that case "Small" Frame Ruger Blackhawks and According to Brian Pierce the Uberti made Single Actions made "After 1990" and on to now can match or beat 10mm and 357 Magnum. But with that little Tid bit of info, do your own Homework.

So is a 10mm the equivalent of a low powered 41mag?

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

Is the best 10mm closer to the lower end of .41 Magnum? Yes. They have nowhere near the same potential, though.

10mm can get over 900 foot pounds of energy but 41 mag get up to 1100 foot pounds of energy so 41 mag wins hands down

i like 10mm but 41 magnum is hotter.

@plowboysghost

7 күн бұрын

That it is.

Happy Flag Day

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

🍻

I'm happy with my 454 Casul even with my hot 45 colts which are impressive to say the least. That said I always take my ex with me in bear country because I can run faster that she can.

@plowboysghost

25 күн бұрын

😁👍